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vladislav piskunov and my interlocutor victor whiter, we are both chefs of russian cuisine restaurants and discuss, and questions related to our business with russian cuisine. well, i don’t participate and have never participated in any culinary chef’s competition, but i often go on tour. e in different cities last year. well, we traveled the whole country, well, from st. petersburg to vladivostok from sochi there, i don’t know before perm where there were not a huge number of cities, yes, this is also partly stress, of course, you have to do it yourself, yes, stand, and part of this with you is bringing the product and partly you make blanks. e, and as if, well, that is, it becomes a little easier for you, but in any case, in every city there are some nuances and it is often interesting to agree. what do i understand you go? yes , kamchatka yes, it’s even interesting, of course, to watch in general, firstly, it’s curious to see how the analysis of restaurant cuisine is developing in russia. it seems to me very fast. which is directly lightning-fast, it happens

that you haven’t been in the city for a year - you don’t know how the level has risen. uh, gastronomic level. here is an example of novgorod after the anniversary of the city of nizhny novgorod nizhny novgorod after the anniversary. this is a completely different city. that is, it is clear that it can be said, i just don’t know it like that at the marafet. so they did it all beautiful and cool. that is, i want to go there. i want to eat and the restaurants have risen. that is, when the level has become much better, and they are now participating, they are also in these all sorts of ratings and are fighting for some cutters there, as if it were also really cool to come. uh, ulyanovsk in ulyanovsk there are, uh, delicious countries to kamchatka and there are cool places, but there is a problem. that's when we were in nizhny novgorod and i always told the guys in your city there are two rivers. there are practically no river fish. you do not use, that is, except for zander and pike, no one uses anything. that is, you come to kamchatka the same way and everyone knows that there is crab on kashirka, but it’s really a problem to buy it with it.

uh, not so, just accordingly, if you still work in a restaurant, and you need documents for this crab, then in general questions appear immediately and it’s practically easier for us to buy a social crab from moscow. that there is and it was. i had dinner and i had to urgently fill the aquarium with seafood there. we ordered groceries from moscow and brought them there. now it's already been a year. that is , it seems that such a situation is also dealing with this issue, however, a very long time ago i was in vladivostok on a business trip. um, i'm going to a restaurant. hey, i'm looking at the menu. well , i'm looking, of course, for some local problems. yes, and here i see sea bass. yes, glad to say, my friend, where did all these bases come from. he is such a pacific ocean, he is such how from where from moscow to vladivostok well, this it was a long time ago though, things are different now. well, well, such a situation is that you come there, and the people are local, that is,

there are specifics. uh, resort town, there are specifics. these are the cities like vladivostok, kamchatka, sakhalin, that is , locals want one thing from tourists, who want another. i, too, that is, when i trained in estonia or other countries. eh, my friend. that is, it’s like dima khalikova, respectively, and she also explained to me that here i am making one menu for the winter, and in the summer when there are a lot more tourists i make another menu. that is, this is how i talked with one cook all over the world. e norwegians. he works on a cruise ship. he also says, i cook one thing here, but at home. uh, when working on the shore, something completely different is needed by locals; tourists need something completely different. yes, it’s like that everywhere, in fact, this is not only the specifics of russia, but what do i think , thank god that now domestic tourism is developing 100%. yes, even in these cities. uh, well, the key ones are not far from moscow which are russian types there, nizhny novgorod kostroma

yaroslava yaroslavl yes, you can e moskvich or petersburg resident of another large city, he is going to kostroma, it is clear that he will not. there is a california roll yes, and he needs kostroma cabbage soup, but, unfortunately, many, uh, our chefs. they don't even know the cuisine of the region they live in. therefore, there are all sorts of surrogates. uh, start instead of learning your cuisine the cuisine of your region. yes, he begins to invent some kind of surrogates, like the yaroslavl region. you thought some terrible ruffs some completely fish dumplings. for what? yes, then , in fact, that is, it happens that it's not only what they invent. these are not regions at all. they came there because they have to work and they are forced to do it. let's think, but instead of reading a book, he looks. uh, what is cooked in moscow or from somewhere else, that is, someone said and went. you, respectively, it all work according to the same scheme. that is , a restaurant opens, a restaurateur takes a chef in

an armful, they go to moscow or st. petersburg, they go to restaurants to take pictures, then they come home to the region to cook about. hmm too most. here. uh, well, of course, the easiest way to raise the restaurant, yes, well, it seems to me, not quite right there, it happens that you come. eh, it happens to me. i've arrived. uh, in gelendzhik i go to a restaurant , i see that there is a dish of its own menu. i understand that desert might be kind of nice, what are they copying there? i'm on the other side too. it's just that when they copy, it's much worse than the original, of course. it's not very. sometimes friends who travel, let's say , in armenia, send me photographs in the menu restaurants. where it is written, but i don’t remember, either borsch, or something, or lyanka according to the squeak recipe , damn it, it’s nice, but ah, there are absolutely such cases, well, out of the ordinary, when a restaurateur or chef, here just not hiding.

uh, i had a guest in a restaurant who called me. i went out. he says, i say from nizhny novgorod, i decided to open a restaurant of russian cuisine. i think how to name it then called it the same way as my restaurant is called. here is the name. what do you think? for what? that's all you go, that's what started me to ask how, this is what i'm saying, buddy, well, somehow it's still there that the restaurant exists, the system has the same name. eh, the dish, of course, is completely different. so you also need to be able to cook, among other things. here. eh, well, without hiding, just copying by copyright, there was also a case recently when a restaurant from nizhny novgorod also called uh, there i am the italian name. do you cook french cuisine at all? why do you need this? well, so we decided, that is, well, in principle, a good name. well, i'm coming. after uh 2 months i see that the name was changed, but apparently they were charged for it all the same. well,

there is such a disease, in fact, there is such a disease of copying. i understand from a business standpoint. this is probably the easiest way. yes, when you see a successful project and you just transfer it to yourself. and this usually works. so it's not only in russia, it 's uh, we ourselves, well, many restaurateurs. they go to europe believe in a cool project. they just take it there and drag it in. the chief says, look, let's try to study, then they come and there really were projects in moscow, too, by the way, which were called directly by portuguese names. and directly someone writes, like, in general, the guys know because of this. it's strange that they opened the same type of franchise in moscow or what is it? well, that is, on the one hand, this is plagiarism, of course, on the other hand. i always when i attach on my course, copyright online. i say guys. you know, uh, first you need to learn how to copy well? well , that is what needs to be done. that is there is a situation when you give a dish and speak. you need to repeat it, someone repeats them, and he doesn’t succeed there, but

he tries, and someone takes it and immediately does it in his own way and it turns out, in general, complete garbage. i say what are you? well, i decided here to replace fish with meat meat with fish vegetables with fruits and it turned out. so what worked, why didn't it work? i say so. i explained to you in russian. you take and copy, then you get your own author's style over time. some kind of creative itch does not give. yes, that is, here people do not understand elementary things, that is, here are the artists. they also copy first. they first copy, that is, they have such a direct task, and then already, that is, they have some kind of their own author's handwriting. they have their own style , respectively, and that is, on the one hand. i see, and now there are a lot. there are purely social networks, there are many different ones. uh, you see the pictures of the photos of the video cool, that is, you do this, but in the future you still need a little inspiration in your own way, and another thing in terms of analogy is that you copy and do other things worse and then you expose it and also

mark it there. just come honestly, here, i quite calmly let you intern for an internship absolutely free of charge, right in the kitchen, anyone can come and learn everything i know. i don't have any secrets at all. no, i am very happy. and if somewhere in another city a restaurant opens and they cook hmm and my food, well, or similar to my food, because the quality is style. yes, such happiness, that is, for the sake of it. as a matter of fact, we are working. well, yes, that's it, but when he starts poking like that without shyness, uh, up to plus that's all. this is pahami, this is then more. well, there was no specific product. i replaced, well, in principle, it’s cheaper for you in moscow, of course, everything is there and everything. progoe will eat. and we need something simpler and cheaper, yes, and as a result, this also happens. unfortunately, however, the trend is still positive.

here in the regions, the region is actively developing very actively, especially where, of course, there are tourists, yes, and in fact, that is, well, now well , everything, that is, as if asking for what you paid, that is, you come in a restaurant. now there is no such thing as before. that is, you came to feed someone garbage. and you, well, in principle , i probably didn’t understand something, probably i don’t understand, i paid there during the course and then, uh, well, like there is such a sediment left there. now we have traveled. yes, if it’s tasteless to call the hall, come here. tell me what is it? why does it taste bad to me? i paid one and a half to two thousand rubles there , it doesn’t taste good to me. let's read. that is, as it were, well, as it were, let's either change or redo just recently. i came. uh, well, it was in kazakhstan so i recently came to a restaurant , a good restaurant in the city, and they give salad there , dark, straight, well, really black. avocados, i call the manager, i say, you serve black avocados, is that normal? i say i won't eat it. type you or remove accounts or replace and mine, that is, friends with whom i talked there, were sitting at the table. they say there will be eatable and normal. and i say, i

mean, you go, those are spoiled avocados. and that is, his accounts were removed. well, like, sorry there, everything is like that, as if there was no conflict, but they are, but we eat it. this is fine. that is, this is still, as it were, this level. for the time being, as it were. well, like, yes, it seems, we don’t understand something normally, so it’ll do. that is, our people have already moved to another level and already, as it were, they really appreciate, and they ask for quality, and i believe that if you open a restaurant with tasteless cuisine, then this is tristan , who, in principle, is doomed to the right of russian cuisine. by the way, the biggest problem. i believe this is what so many cooks do. and restaurateurs who want to specialize it is in this direction of russian cuisine that they cook tasteless and thus compromise russian cuisine and guests. coming to such a restaurant, especially tourists, who especially have more to eat and nowhere to go. yes, he sees he ran in and ate and he didn’t like it, and

everything goes on with him, maybe even there, i don’t know, they remain so tasteless for the rest of his life. yes, the same thing, that is, when you say, come to a restaurant in russian cuisine. they say, unpacking my house, let's eat, but in fact, when they come, then they see stove. they see some dishes of bread from food, there is meat porridge, and we didn’t expect them at all. what will it be, that is, now, uh, well , most of the time, uh, you're going to a russian restaurant. you are surprised, and you yourself are an exotic cuisine, by the way, yes, why i added this kulaga dish to the menu because the name is interesting, but i try not to scare my guests with such a name on me, on the contrary very much. simple and clear there would be a separate tab starorusskaya and that is, we are right here, as it were. do you want to try something interesting and such. yes, let's be super, and there we have there kulaga and potassium and re-baking and various. that is, there is varenets, that

is, of course, mmm. here is the job of a waiter. he tells me, or i go out into the hall and explain that these positions are unusual. that is, i explain the story, as we came up with it, that is, we worked with, uh, pavel and olga sutkina, respectively, historians too. that is, who there, well, helped us a little, accordingly, in this direction. and here in general. i think that, uh, about such dishes, which, well, really, out of 100 people, there is a maximum of five who know at all, in principle, what it is and, as it were, what it is eaten with? yes victor uh, you and i are lucky. it’s probably that we have such a direction e unknown and unknown exotic most exotic cuisine in moscow e, well, it’s great that we were able to discuss a painful topic with you today, yes, in fact, just like that, just sit down and with someone then talk about russian cuisine. yes in basically, there is no one to talk to. in fact, she is very this topic. i think it's huge and you can sit and chat. eh, it seems to me for several hours, and maybe all

night, probably, it still makes sense to move in this direction. thank god that this cuisine is becoming popular now, that it is cooked in restaurants and people come and even try to learn. we have stoves, so to speak , respectively, people come to the firewood and say, tell us how it is, we also bought a house and installed a stove. and now we want to cook for me there, well at home, in the sense of city. ah. and, of course, that is, it makes me happy, and it pleases me the way that there used to be a stove in every house and around this stove. you can say everything happened in the house. and now, of course, this can be said to be a device that, e. very much in demand, but nonetheless exotic. yes, and people are resorting to it now great everyone has barbecues and everyone has such uh jospers there, but with the stove, uh, we somehow uh, while it's cold here is a project in which you and i participated cooks on wheels. agree, he also introduces people to

regional cuisine, including russian. eh, although the guys also went to the caucasus to other regions, i see, yes, this phrase is what kind of product is the most popular in your region. and i, of course, on the one hand, probably fed up, but on the other hand. it's cool what we ask, i'm really interested in drawing. yes, the people of their wealth, in fact, national. ah. we are such people, we do not appreciate what we have, unfortunately, maybe we do not appreciate it, we use it, but the majority. unfortunately. uh, it's easier for them something new something interesting popular in your opinion, what is associated with russian cuisine. the rye i was talking about is river fish, yes , and these are the same fermented ones, as it is now fashionable to say mushrooms, for example, yes, but, for example, pickled milk mushrooms, well, you can find somewhere else or ryzhikov, for example, right? well, that's it, this is ours, it was a podcast of a cook on wheels. we are the chefs of

russian cuisine restaurants vladislav piskunov and viktor beley. thanks a lot. hello, i'm larisa guzeeva, this is a podcast of letters. today i have a well-deserved guest, artist, director, artistic director of the theater, practice maria brusnikina. hello maria hello. i'm so happy that you came and we also have such a topic andrey vasilievich myagkov and in what year did you enter, did you get sick over the years, but uh, it was a long time ago, only a film about the irony of fate came out. he was a super popular person. uh, and some kind of god for us for all and then you enter the course. it was the course of oleg nikolaevich efremov andrey vasilyevich myagkov was a teacher there and also

rarely recruited a teacher not a leader. no, the next course was, where, natasha was not a year old, he was the leader there, and we acted, he worked. he says that pokrovskaya worked as teachers, and the main one was recruited, efremov, but we had two groups, and we clearly divided one group was myagkovskaya, the other pokrovskaya i got into the group of andrey vasilyevich myagkov. madly, of course, therefore glad, because he is a teacher from god. i think that this is one of my main luck that i met this person as a teacher. teacher, it's just that there are some such people, that's what you have formed and of course, andrei vasilievich is one of them, but the truth is, when you came to visit him, he insisted that the students call him andrei, but this was already we were the fourth year. they already were. we already have quite friendly relations, and yes , of course, he insisted, especially with the guys there for a day of brusnikin. roma kozyka, he was still a completely young man. now when i understand, then it seemed, oh, it

’s easy at all, but in fact, there was even a little 40 something. yes, that is, voznesenskaya is some kind of completely girl. she came to us for the second course. e, with some unimaginable haircut and in some way or as i remember now , such thoughts entered my skirts, well, just a girl, yes, well, of course, for us they were teachers, but yes, he just wanted consciously that yes, well, the guys are already calling such a contact more than some kind of human close friends. but not me. i always uh, very his. eh, somehow. well, i appreciated it. it's clear. it is clear that all the girls were in love, softly , this is understandable. despite the fact that i was already married there, i managed to get married for 18 years. this completely different. of course there is, nekina. the kingdom is his bride, but this is some other love, this love for a person is endless, because there is a sense of humor. you know that you know perfectly well, i will share my impression. yes, the sense of humor is overwhelming. eh, wisdom intelligence. uh,

some amazing amazing completely human. he was very humble. that's right , you know somehow, but unnaturally modest for an artist of such popularity. that's when i was filming with him, but he's the age and my mother, and i can't even imagine. what is an actor such a popularity of such magnitude. you tried to be invisible to everyone. so i never saw him, so he told jokes there, or is he, right? well, they were going to, and we had burkov filmed georgy, who was talking all the time. uh, anecdotes, some stories all gathered around them. andrey vasilyevich was always somehow apart even when his wife came. so the two of them went somewhere, and it was so organic. it's not something that didn't irritate or raise any questions. well, you just watched with some admiration. yes you are right. this is incredible. not just modest, but a very

private person. absolutely an introvert is a very strange position in this here in this profession. really. yes, there, as a rule, some other people have a different way of being. no closed indefinitely. well, he opened, probably, he opened with us with students. here are our all sorts of nightly gatherings at their homes, unlike you students. e. andrei vasilievich neighbors were never invited to the house to journalists. yes, we are lucky for you. yes, but that was the period. that's when we were students then later less often, then quite difficult it was supper. later it was already quite difficult to treat guests. they completely closed, as if they closed the house. explain, this is for yourself. why are they such a closed incident, there was some kind of self-sufficiency between the two of them. yes, there was some kind of rejection, maybe of what is happening around. yes, that is, after all, andrei vasilyevich is quite. no, then, when it started, later, perestroika , the age was already when and after the departure of oleg nikolaevich efremov yes, already some kind of life

was so closed. and how they had at home, what kind of you would they have. it is too. we are students there. here we are in this apartment. well, kutuzovsky prospekt is also very fashionable and stylish. so, i remember that there are few white walls, who did it then. yes, everything is hung with paintings by andrei vasilyevich, he is even still an amazing artist. just amazing and very strange too. he's the same here, too. we are talking about this modesty , closeness, such intelligence of the intellect , the picture is insane, simply insane. here it is vision of the world - it's so colorful, distorted, some kind of peculiar perception. that's all about portraits. he already has a lot of portraits there, oleg nikolaevich efremova, and he, yes, yes, that's all. eh, very much to say. well, not not realistic, art is definitely all hung with his paintings. everything is very stylish, very fashionable house, anastasievna was very comfortable, absolutely amazing hostess, and i remember this is amazing. she loved when we

came we would be taken to the highest class. i mean, it's a fine drink, fine food from the market. and as i remember. you understand, some incredible little things, and i remember how i was entrusted, and i'm not very housekeeping. frankly, it was not instructed to chop parsley somewhere. and i mean, unlike you. i'm not very economic. i love this parsley and it's so cool on it. why are you doing this? i'm talking like a stems. why chop, and these barvies. these are their little things . ruby remembered for the rest of his life that the ground of parsley must be taken out. even though she had no idea. that is, she is such a top class, and we were always fed by these all all night long conversations are endless. they were also very educated people. andrey vasilyevich read a lot and some of you always know the flow of surnames and you notice, remember what you need to read, what you definitely need to know? what do you need to navigate? that is, they were educators. well, not only in the profession, but although in the profession for me, of course, andrey vasilyevich, uh, how to say? well

, he didn’t form it, yes, he helped me a lot because oleg nikolaevich efremova i was very afraid, and in general with him. and he even had some kind of authority for us. just crazy and they could normally exist with him. here are the older guys who were there, damn it, goats don’t get infections, we had such a team. yes, yes, we are all the same friends. and hmm girls, we were all little after school, and of course we were afraid of him. well, we had a version that was very afraid, but it came later. she, too, was magical, yes, but she, as it were, moved after the academician to us later and there was an incredible fear. and soft, because i was also in his group. i understood that he treats me very well and i felt it, and he, of course, he was strict with me, he was incredible there, i hated sketches. uh, i could be doing a sketch and something i didn’t want to, it didn’t work out, and i said, i won’t leave anyway. he kicked me out of work. i sobbed, so i went expelled. it was a very funny case when they finally came up with these apprentices. well, like these

something, like, this, it means you came in, something happened. and you change. i say sasha sasha nikolayevich is a wonderful theater actress at maly bronnaya, now sasha says, come on. here we are with you in the audience. i punch you in the face. you cry and we leave. here are the events, and we entered, i jumped her into an evolutionary sob , and myagkov was like that, well, now, on the contrary, it’s not very good, i remember it. that is, we are brought up like that. so he helped me a lot, because he took an acting job with me in the second year. it was metel tsvetaeva and i was given the role of an old woman. it says tsvetaeva the old woman throughout the 18th century. i cried a lot. why they gave me an old woman was terribly worried that the girl has all the heroines, and i'm an old woman. and here he is with me in verse like tsvetaeva is clear , and now he was very tormented with me, because i understood everything inside, but could not get out. here, e, to that volume, to this latitude , which he needs. and this is how he was already jumping in front of me and showing me everything just with his hands, everything, as it should

, and at some point, apparently, but he told me. that's what else i have to do so that you play it and something makes me feel so ashamed, i took it and just played it for you again later skill, but it’s myagkov, he turned some kind of this lever in me, that i just started to open up, open up, or what? so this is how it will turn out, yes, the white was delicate , but i didn’t have a head, in general there was zero brains from the word at all, when we were filming with him, and i understood that he was old. well, my mom's age, uh, and somehow. hmm. well, he wasn't brilliant, he didn't care, of course, everyone always looks at young artists. andrey vasilyevich no, it's not that i was afraid of him, but i, uh, always gathered in his presence. here he somehow scolded me with his presence. here he was guarding and he could whisper something like that to help at some moments to suggest. here it is, yes. yes, i remember

which word was good. with us, he also stricted, for example, we were not allowed to laugh out loud, because here you sit , you react to someone, this is what you play and ha-ha-ha. well, as a friend such a hard look. oh yes, so you can’t express your emotions here. there he hated bows. yes, that is , these here, when bows are being built, if i bow for a long time to the music of such a separate hated plays. he thought it was just absolutely not intelligent. came modestly bowed and left, what do you say, now just the whole performance suits this bow. and that's all we have left and, uh, and you're your student there. yes, always say, too , some of these things you are already conveying from them. he had two words, but for him, that's just the biggest curse was this days of kashon. why do you still not know what it is and not katinism, here are two words to scold latin, what is it? well look in dictionary. here. latin and not mischief are two such curses of andrei vasilyevich because he had impeccable taste. but

existence on the site. yes, look played some as losers say today. yes, then who do we want to play. uh, studies at the institute, prostitutes and a drunkard, yes, and the homeless uh-huh , because it's bright it's easy. all. this is how he played this same loser in an office romance and in e. in the irony of fate, an alcoholic is not an alcoholic. you are a very good person. but everything is according to such a top such a picture, yes, but i didn’t overdo it anywhere, because i didn’t play enough anywhere. that's all for me, no less. yes, yes, well, organic, amazing, amazing, so it’s also very strange that such an intelligent, as it looks, gentle, modest person. and such a powerful nature of acting. yes , but characteristic with such a spirit, yes, yes. do you know what i regret? so my fate was reduced to such, but personalities. and it seemed like it

would always be like this. why was i inattentive? why didn't i listen? why didn't you ask questions? why didn't i try here's something to learn something to peep. here's some experience. i so regret it, really. hmm, there are three vasilyevich right there lidia smirnova it seemed that it would always be endless, and then i still have time. and i have one photo, well, between, uh, filming or there between houses, i don’t remember the hooligan one with andrey vasilyevich, where we kiss with him, because it didn’t happen uh, yes, well, according to the plot, i didn’t get close to the koran such. no. so i curled up with him and smoked a cigarette, and then i said to teach you gypsy. this is when i drag and andryusha kudashyan taught me in gypsy,

also my classmate. by the way, yes, also a student of andrey vasilyevich well, in general, i really regret that i had to sit down, fools , write down everything, look with all my eyes, but there was some kind of young life of my own, i wanted to do everything there myself, but then it really seems that you still have time. now i also really regret that i had to communicate more persistently lately and ask more, but well , it was difficult, and you see, he didn’t even come to my performance. i already called when became a director began to stage performances, thanks to the power. come look never came and at some point like that. well, why don't you come, and i'm afraid you'll be disappointed. he jokes all the time all the time. yes, you don't understand. i'll come, i 'll like it, i'd like you. well, how? well, what can i say? tell me, why are you masha if marina has a passport? i am marina when i entered school at the moss studio, there brusnikin immediately called me masha, everyone became. my name is masha but i'm like marina never. because

then i was baptized by masha the only one the man who called me marina was oleg nikolaevich efremov, he was so marin to the end. well, everyone calls masha absolutely and was baptized. i’m masha and i was already baptized as an adult, because when the child was born i was born to grow up or maria, and therefore i think that i have absolutely two names and now it’s rare that anyone calls me marina and everything masha well, this happened with the light hand of dmitry brusnikin you were also wonderful couples and everyone always talked about it, very beautiful, very kind of correct ideal. well, yes, i was very lucky in my life very lucky, and i and i live on all the time, as if measuring myself and thinking, so that dima would say and, as it were, so as not to let him down, what happiness was dima also then took courses and taught, right? this is a podcast of letters i remind you and my guest is maria brusnikina. do you think they created that they did not have children, or was it absolutely meaningful. eh, such a choice? i

don't know you can't get in there. this is their personal life. i don't think it was a meaningful choice for them to have a niece. yes, they were very much engaged in mash, well, it was the great love, just great, i don’t know another such example, but it’s true that asya loved detective stories very much. and when she had already read the whole thing and suffered from the fact that there was none. well, no, no, nothing fresh. there is nothing new. he said, if there is, i will write detective stories for you myself and began to write. they were successful and screen adaptation. even had one due to give it. i read. i bought it, read it, called and said that it was interesting, yes, yes, to my beloved. well, he actually worked out. so i think that when we talk about this closeness. and he realized in these pictures, he wrote, yes, he seemed to be, well, yes, this is some kind of withdrawal from public life consciously unconditionally. someone from the theater is conscious. well, then, of course, he was engaged in intimate anastasia,

who was sick. and, if she did anything, she , besides her main profession. i think that she was with andrei vasilyevich with a friend. yes, but she was generally very fond of poetry, she read a lot. she always had some plans, when he had a plan to make some kind of program, she also called this name, read to me all the time into the phone, means the elements of the akhmatogo. it's just that she has a and somehow on well, here's the book house. but look how interesting it was, er, their fate in the cinema. eh, she began to act in majorvi very early. yes, the first role, where she was young, beautiful and extraordinary. in general, she is clearly their characteristic actress. yes, she is a heroine, she was a beauty. and so she declared herself and andrei vasilyevich did not suffer, he did not have any complexes. oh yes, that he lives with such a young star, and then everything changed. they began to invite her less often and andrey

vasilievich set conditions. yes, that he will be removed, and if they invite, yes, well, he did a lot of work instinctively helped her a lot. that's for sure. that's why fate develops this way, but here we can't do anything. no, of course, to say so here. fate, but they were together , there was no jealousy for the success of the other. i think there was a lot of love and respect. it was. it was also some kind of service to each other. it seems to me so, i 'm so envious, how i would like, but in such love in such respect, at least a year to live in my life. okay, i'm afraid seriously even years hmm in all their fate. this is now, when students are finishing their fourth year. i just have this is my favorite form now. why not envy anyone at all and not compare anything. that's absolutely. everyone has their own destiny. here is your destiny now to live screenings in the theater for everyone. the difference is a terrible time, by the way, the center of vasilyevich also has

a history when he scored a course after us. here it is. we finished and took it already. he is already some kind of high head of the course. he was very bright course you have a very bright course too, but we have yes, and. well, they just weren't distributed to anyone. that is, now they have finished and there were ten of them, no one in time, what troubles? yes, it happens that you fell into this kind of pit, but for andre vasilyevich well, it happens in different ways, but for vasilyevich this also speaks of his character. it was as if he never came again. with god, the moscow art theater he said that he would no longer teach, because if he spent, yes, there are so many forces e on people and where did you lead them and something to them. well, anyway promised, it turns out in the profession. nobody needs it, then it will be this thing will be more look. and when hmm well, even natasha's year is over. here is the course. uh, it was the first year of perestroika, when everything became possible when little faith happened. and that's it. it seems to me that with such an attitude to the profession, as

it was, andrei vasilyevich had a friend to see such a thing on the screen. yes, then everything began, as through a carbon copy to shoot from the americans. uh, look, some fighters that are not needed have appeared. well i can't even i can't here i can hardly imagine the participation of andrei vasilyevich in this refused. he refused and left pedagogy. and then i dragged him once i managed to bring him to a school-studio for one of our courses just to talk with students, and he talked like that, and i say again, andrey vasilyevich why go teach, but this is necessary people don’t, this is character . this is such maximalism and also it is further, because in the sense that, and the street will re-educate. what is it like in dry land, or its meaninglessness. it's like that i don't know, because suddenly no one needed it one day, in an instant, it ceased to be necessary and valuable , remember. yes, the films of these years are already some. yes , it was an interesting time. well, andrey's next one then already stopped filming him

already further. everything is already. and yes, another life. here's writing to escape with this, apparently, but traveled a lot. they really were very connected. uh, like pinch's human hair is also our classmate. who went to denmark and they talked a lot, traveled to him, traveled around europe with volodya volodya somehow took care of him for a very long time. but there is an amazing letter that volodya has a letter from andrey vasilievich and where he writes, but in general about what death is and volodya somehow read it to us. why after some time? what year is this letter about already somewhere here, well, maybe some anew before he died. well, it's just that we were then or maybe a little earlier we were shocked then, but i read it. she is already volodya much later, as she didn’t even become, heating vasilievich, we were shocked at the time how much he thought about this in advance, how he formulates it, in general, what human

life is. yes, there's just a level of some such m-much intellect and a philosophical attitude to life to the world closer to romaz, who has matured, yes, absolutely for 200 years. yes, i remember that at that time we were simply all shocked by the fact that how he formulates, how he thought, and in the general sense of life. that is, he prepares himself, when you count. yeah, well, he, of course, he thinks about what life is all about. such. you know, but i don’t know this, that is, i never noticed it, didn’t see it. well, listen, what an interesting question , somehow i didn’t think about it, because it seems that yes. this is their privacy. this is their modesty. yes, and such selectivity is not omnivorous, when there is no passion for money . how interesting, well, we never advertised in our hearts. it's definitely the last time. i 've seen andre vasilyevich well, the funeral. it was the same with dima, it's amazing because he came. he already felt bad

was visible. here. well, he came this last time we saw each other. yeah, he is. well, they loved him very much, of course, and in general, well , some big person in my life is such a beginning of life. yes, with such a teacher, right? how much humor was there? how many jokes? it is impossible that the clothes are fools, these are all the feklists of brusnikin's goats. these are separate people, as we had a rehearsal. she is in the theater to you hut. well, they were very students. for some reason, we wanted to rehearse for you here on tverskoy, which is large, this mkad , which is now kekhnovskaya named after gorky who also had cars there, and he was fashionable andrey, that he was driving a car at the wheel then, in general , he was distributing a car, and here this zhiguli was standing near the theater in the parking lot. and now the car was winter and these fools, so they started talking and rolled his car away, just rolled it away and hid it. well, as a little around the corner and so happy. so everything was set up so that they leave asia after the rehearsal so pretty.