people who traveled to the regions in the province. yes, i was very lucky, because i’m already studying amateur performances as a schoolgirl and i myself led a drama club at school, but still, uh, a smart person advised me to go, uh, to the house of pioneers city house of pioneers. i came to the art studio. well, which was directed by anna, the former actress of the first studio of the artistic body said that she was very famous. yes. she was a student of sulzhitsky vakhtangova stanislavsky stanislavsky was a passenger father, it turns out so yes. and so. hey anna was talking. eh, an outstanding educator. mm for the last few years. she also taught speech in the chamber theater. yes, and and not only and but for children since the thirty-sixth

year, well, the xx century, yes, an actress with such a school to teach. uh, little kids. yes , and you know that the children simply adored her and she was just a very honorable person for us. we didn't know this word yet, but that's how we were anxious, and there i learned a lot. because it was a school of art theater. well, it's just such luck. she spoke on as teacher to youth. yes, young is big. and by the way, she was the guardian of the archive of her husband, the writer sergismund, to his wife. here, these are great ones, the author of which during his lifetime was very little only in translation and was printed somewhere, and so his books were not published. he died in the fiftieth year of the twentieth century. here she is, but she began to wrap herself around the thresholds of the editorial office so that something would be printed. well, nothing worked.

she was waiting at the traffic police in the traffic police this is an archive and said, i once that when i became an archive sigiz, because it is written. yes, yes, i surrendered to him said someday it will print said, she told her an idiot fifteen-year-old and thought about myself they will never print and here is the year 2001-2002, i am standing in a bookstore on pushkinskaya square. and i can't believe my eyes. sigismund kryzhanovsky three volumes, yes, yes, a luxurious super cover with luxurious photographs, a wonderful author who does not resemble anyone else, such a mystical vicious manuscript does not burn. here you see, i remembered right then and there i bought these three volumes and then they went out. three more houses defended two

theses at the same time. well showed up in one switcher. such a very important to someone then not only relatives. he did a lot, one perelmut evgeny vorobyov, those who defended their dissertations after kryzhanovsky. so here's a story that happens, it happens that a person. well, as it were, uh, during his lifetime, uh, is not recognized, and then gaining recognition is more difficult, because there is no record. no, it doesn't happen. no, no, an actor must communicate with his generation, if he is not recognized no, you know, i have an old idea that hands really burn all that, because very there are few such examples when a person is not known at all during life, and then he is resurrected, and krzhizhanovsky was not known for external reasons. these are simply censored soviet reasons, otherwise solzhenitsyn well, he still

printed it. here is wardovsky, thank you. god during his lifetime printed one thing there. well, i didn’t want anything else there, two of them scattered the set, they didn’t allow it, and then they took it all out of the library. it can also be read a miracle miracle a mathematics teacher from ryazan unknown to anyone with such a camp experience is v new world to alexander trifonovich tvardovsky. eh, brings this story or story in different ways and suddenly a miracle happens, yes, because it is a great text. what was the most difficult thing for me to leave everything in the big city and return home? well, a career with a hairdresser did not work out, in fact,

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guest today is people's artist of russia avangard nikolaevich leontiev well, what happened after gavriilovna after? and he said that i met dmitry nikolaevich zhuravlev, a great reader , a great full-fledged artist of the soviet union and he prepared me for admission to the school of the moscow art theater studio berries. this is the sixty-eighth year of the sixty-eighth year. yes, the end of the sixties and, uh, he worked with me a little and selected the repertoire and introduce me to his student viktor karlovich monnikov , the famous professor of the student school. and he listened to me, and in general, i had support. already before the selection committee, because munikov was a member of the selection committee , some kind of confidence, after all, you didn’t have no confidence, but i supported by such wonderful people

revered, remember interesting, yes, i read the tale of the golden cockerel. pushkin that you are peter's gold to the golden cockerel - this is a cockerel, then he fed me. when i already entered the philharmonic in the shtetsky department of literature for children, after graduating from the studio school, i began to read concerts in schools. i spoke hundreds of times with this golden cockerel in schools, well, this is a wonderful text. it's just such a pearl, listen how the children of his wonderful pushkin in general children obey wonderfully and gorky by the way, i read gorky as a child. and i'll ask you just a little later. will read this just a topic that i will not hide prepared for discussion, because not every actor feeds. here is such a taste. how do you like reading, but they read literature less often. maybe i'm wrong, but i rarely read plays and dramas,

fragments. concert concert. well, of course, you give a summary of cases, in my opinion, jurassic memory, yes, mostly readers read literary works, or just yes, this time and even a parallel profession, because there no, a suit. no, playography. no, there is nothing. yes, you yourself depend on you, of course, on the author in the first place, of course, and the author of the video idiot understands you and the height of the author of his equipment, the author, mmm. this is, of course , you. well, like how you are not alone, after all, you are not alone, you have a huge range, uh, different registers. i really love your work , including e in the genre of reading the artistic word. as they say, maybe uh, so improvisation, you would agree

to read something. you mentioned maxim's childhood gorky, it will be me. you know, i will read a small piece. hmm, a fragment about how, after the grandfather raised alyosha, alyosha is the main character of the story, children are his childhood. yes, this is grandfather kashirin alyosha - this is gorky next year itself. yes, and uh, when was punished for there childish prank very cruel future for what? yes, if grandfather spotted me until i lost consciousness. he writes bitter things in this book , and then the boy gets sick. he just fell ill, came to his senses from feeling bad and could not lie down. only on the stomach the back was all broken. family members began to come to see him with rods and

grandfather himself came, by the way, he apologized for what he had done and gorky then wrote that i realized that grandfather was not angry and not terrible, but the main one was a gypsy. it was such a foundling raised in the house by his grandmother. and this gypsy woman came to visit allyosha, a square , broad-chested with a huge curly head, and he appeared in the evening. festively dressed in a golden silk shirt, you send trousers and creaky harmonica boots and shone him her hair sparkled, her merry slanting eyes under thick brows, and her white teeth. under the dark stripe of a young mustache, a shirt burned, softly, reflecting the red light that did not extinguish the lamp. this glance he said to me with his hand rolled up. and showing a bare arm up to the elbow in red welts. even worse, a lot of strangers healed, as

the grandfather began to enter into a rage, i feel and see he will constipate. he started to substitute this hand for you , waiting for the pond to break, grandfather gives for another. and you will be dragged away by a woman do not alimate. well, the pond didn't break, wet and flexible. but just that you got less. haha. you see how much he laughed again with a silky gentle laugh, laughing, looking at his hand and saying so i feel sorry for you, i feel trouble, and he whips, snorting at the horse, shaking his head, the gypsies began to say something on business immediately close to me simple children. i told him that i love him very much. he simply answered meekly. yes, i love you too. but he mistook pain for love. have i become for another for someone to spit. then he began to teach me to quietly often look back at the door when you suddenly

the net will be on fire, don't shrink. do not squeeze it like that, but you dissolve it freely kiselyov lies and does not puff up breathe in all ari and you remember good obscenities, well. i asked if they would flog again. and how calmly the gypsies answered you, go to often they will fight. and why does grandfather find and again began to teach if he flogs from a canopy. he just puts it on top of the vine, lie softly freely, but if i hit him with a heavy blow and pull the vine towards him to remove the skin, then you wiggle your body towards him, it’s easier. i'm in this business me and the most quarterly i have from the skin of even the neck of the neck, i looked at him and remembered my grandmothers. about ivan tsarevich, about ivan the fool, such a fragment is amazing. you know, i remember, lie down kisselyon. this is, of course, my childhood reading. i remember this

scene, but i have left that's it, this phrase kisselyon lie down. i didn't remember at all. eh, and thank you for reminding me of this, that alyosha, uh, is, as it were, trying on with grandfather. yes, it’s just a pity that through such torment. yes, yes, yes this is now they would say that this is a childhood trauma, a fashionable topic. yes it hurt to remember that it was he who beat me so severely, but also to forget about it. i couldn't this is an amazing story. and what's the contrast with another children's trilogy? yes, because the name of the trilogy of gorky's childhood in my people is universities, but this clearly sends a taxi to the logic of tolstoy and the childhood of youth, there could not be any such things, but there were others . yes, there were. this is, uh, a wonderful thing to read by gorky. well,

here, uh, i still remember very much. your overhead work. and i understand that it would be wrong to ask you more, but here is the okunarmie. but i also heard and was simply shocked by the way you do it. there , too, there is a lot of cruel, a lot of rough violent. this is a book that came out in the mid-twenties, and in fact it is, but a different picture of the civil war, if you like, for a century. yes, of course, i think it's epic. that's how quiet longer shelkovsky. it seems to me that this is kunarmy. uh-huh , because there it's motley very it's individual short stories duck. yes, this collection is boring. but here is a patchwork quilt. it still expresses salt. remember the story, of course i told it to me at the age of 15, she

suggested reading it more to him. i did not understand him, how the women gave out a huge piece of salt for a baby. yes, to be taken on a train, to be taken during the civil war. and when the red army soldiers realized that there was salt, they were a baby, they shot her slowly, right? i didn't know how to read this time, how can i justify. do you understand this shooting? well there was still no polyphonic perception of life, then we were brought up, very straightforward enough in soviet times. yes , quite straightforward, so uh, i realized that i could not read it then, but now i would take it, of course, of course, with understanding now with it. uh, here is our 20th century russian, of course, this is a concentration of some kind of mv-12 of everything that happened to russia in the 20th century. there is so much violence so much tragedy. and how

to read all this? here is lydia guinnessburg, wonderful literature. hmm says that babel does not change his voice, that is, he writes with equal intonation about suffering and beauty , the sun rolls down like a severed head. for example, he has the image of the first wife or transition. through the bars i even have such a question. fana, well, how to approach this? what is here? perhaps feeling is one thing when a reader, alone with himself somewhere in the evening , reads such prose. and as an actor or a reader, if this word does not jar on you, as he does it, babel is very ascetic, despite the brightness, he very much selected expressive means. he's got everything so tight. oh even drove scander said that even the very beginning of the story is too compressed, there is nowhere further than this i spend the spring to compress. well, yes, well

, iskander thought so, but this asceticism suits himself, as an author. how to write what needs to be squeezed out? you absolutely know everything superfluous, maybe there is some kind of contradiction here. maybe i'm wrong. yes, such redundancy, e stylistic constructions and the mechanism of feelings. yes, he is rather laconic not in the selection of verbal means, but in a row, because in the selection of any means from bure and from him no he can’t squeeze more water no you don’t understand any of his prose, uh, and i once. we walked together with mikhail mikhailovich with zhvanetsky e, at one event. i say mikhail mikhailovich. i'm doing a babel program now, nothing more difficult for mere memorization. i didn't have to. uh,

teach. he says, of course, um, because it's a language, that is, it's its own language. here babel is very helpful, by the way, the performer understands that this is not some kind of language that can be gleaned from a dictionary. yes this is some kind of organic matter, which somehow forms you very much. you see, i've always, uh, found it very strange or mysterious that, yes, you can't sympathize with that. that is, as soon as you try to have pity on someone and die, because when a young jewish woman lived, she says that her father was killed and her hacked father lies nearby. she speaks calmly, and where in the world can you find a father like my father? that is , if you think about this situation, yes, what lies dead, i don’t even want to say it. do they need to respond directly sympathize or do you also need some distance? if you try to sympathize with

a city like this? such a cutter, such a performer or performer are you? yes, i'm interested. exactly as you should, of course. eh, here it is necessary not as he said, dmitry nikolaevich zhuravlev must keep himself on the reins. uh-huh, you can't let yourself go. eh, that’s all, a sentimental experience , you can’t dissolve in it and you can’t bathe in it, you can’t enjoy it, but you need to lead very much. oh yes, the author's line. uh-huh author's speech author's voice, that is felt copyright not what is going on between these people it makes a very important story even in such tragic things you can see. for example, uh, when i tell students from tyutchev, uh, i say that there are some of them there . of course, there was no

cruelty in the verses. there is death. it sometimes happens there in the deniseev cycle, but nevertheless there is tragedy. yes of course, oh how murderous and loved. yes, of course, she was sitting on the floor and sorting through a pile of letters, how she took the burnt hall removed their hands and threw them. yes, and the opportunity, love, ruin, love tragedy. this, yes, yes everywhere, she lay in oblivion and that's it, shadows covered her already, but i'm talking about the fact that tyutchev sometimes gets to some kind of look that is not available to a simple person. there is a certain private beginning of the world to be silent. what is a night of peaceful silence? well, somewhere at night, somewhere during the day. yes , i was especially struck by the line, as if the sky had flowed like an ethereal jet to the elderly. that is, you can just die if you imagine that the sky passes through you the world an amazing story he is like nikolaevich well, in general, in the theater

, hmm, it is customary to say that the main thing is the gesture, the main scenography is the main one, and somehow shrink on the stage. yes, because the theater is the art of action, as we know, according to aristotle, but in the theater there is a word, as in literature. as for the word in the theater , it has some specifics, what happens to the word when it hits the stage, when the actor pronounces it. do you know that and how long does it take us to play different texts? mm, we understand the price, have a nice day text. a strong author is strong in terms of mastery of the word precisely when we play literature that is weak, but it happens. yes, yes, there is something here . it means to compensate m-m for the lack of strength

and words. uh-huh. i mean, if the word is strong, uh, talented, then there's nothing else to do. it is necessary to express it, to express it exactly , you understand, and it cannot be spoiled to convey it, but it holds itself, a visual gesture is not intonation no costumes get here and the viewer begins. associate thinking of yourself in relation to the fact what he heard does not know the fullness of the effect. yes, he doesn’t know the audience everyone thinks about his own, when you are armed with a strong word , then you are protected and you are protected from failure because you are the author he gives you he gives you, and he works for you and find out, i once i i read fazili iskander in concerts.

once i invited him to a performance at the theatre. he watched modern sitcom. well, then he sits behind me here, tonechka , his wife nikolaevna yes, fazil, in the back. i say the owner is abdullovich. how are you? means? he says, well, generally says very well. very good tempo i still think that the main word in the theater. we mentioned avangard nikolaevich as solzhenitsyn yes, we have a program for the theater of your nation, and solzhenitsyn so signed alexandrovich and covered the period of almost the end of the great patriotic war, when he already fought was already close. victory was already close to berlin and suddenly his correspondence with a friend of the arrest begins. this is his ordeal. these

uh camps these links and so on and so forth like he defeated cancer yea yea. yes, yes, a lion, yes, it was hard to prepare for death. and how he survived. and as he began to write, he took himself away from the tramp, which he did not endure at all. yes, and how he began to think, but in general about russia of the 20th century, and wrote books about it, about its history, and its fate in the 20th century. that's about this performance, this short, by the way, an hour and a half and young actors. yes, our team marina brusnikina directed in our yes with her youth and with me, and andrei dubov was our pianist, because alexander zaichik loved music very much before receiving the nobel prize. all this way. imagine this sample of sample huh? yes. yes, yes, yes, yes

, galina andreevna tyurina made this script, which is perfect for my colleague. yes, very captivating. somehow we did it at first in the art theater marina did brusnikina for the anniversary of alexander savich for the centenary, and there was very much in 2015. yes, and there are a lot of young people there, almost all the youth of the art theater were employed. you know, i saw at the rehearsal what kind of impression i was of a sole wife punishing the youth before they leave the audience, yes , backing away, i saw you know, it was such a school for them. well done, that they did it in the art theater. you know, i even spoke to our young artists afterwards. they remember so much. this is this solzhenitsyn project. as such an important personal story for themselves, which they experienced, it always happens. yes, because it's one thing, yes to

hell, this is how it should be. well, at least with those who are in the orbit of konstantin sergeevich stanislavsky, of course. yes, yes softly. eh, some time ago i grew up with a phrase that nothing can be played. need it all grow in yourself. yes , of course, he says something like this, that you can’t imitate anything, you can’t portray anything, it acts, probably, only to find some kind of support in yourself, so oleg dal told me then. he was the life of the maly theater, of course, they were waiting for the school and the famous schepkin, and he said that boris andreevich babkin is an actor of the maly theater , the famous legendary performer chiparin. yes, yes, yes, that he was already in his advanced years all gray-haired he said, i only now realized that there was nothing to play. this a wonderful phrase will open up

a lot for me, because i, uh, really love what you do on stage, but always thank you to understand, how is it like it's from the inside? and then thank you so much, by the way, a. we haven’t mentioned anton pavlovich chekhov yet. yes , yes, this is also a whole universe. i staged graduation performances with the students of the course as a teacher. yes very famous yes left twice . ivanov chekhov and the guys managed a lesser known play. she is also very important. the guys managed, in general, chekhov is very difficult, of course, for the young they are still absolutely you know, here we are now with uncle vanya a new premiere at the art theater of the chekhov moscow art theater and the chekhov immiche. yes and uh, hmm we gathered for the first reading , the director came, he says, well, let's

read by roles. here is the first time everyone saw each other and began to read. and you know, at this reading, i was suddenly absolutely surprised in an incredible way by how relevant it is, as if chekhov is our contemporary , ours, and this is how it happens to be a classic. do you understand? i still think maybe i'm not right, of course, the greatest pushkin unstoevsky, but in chekhov begins what is our modernity. in the truest sense, without any discount without distance. this is a man who speaks to us in our language directly correctly kill nemirovich-danchenko wrote to chekhov that please give us tea, tea tea, chekhov did not want to fail petersburg failed. yes, give

us, please, because i feel that the modern theater is new new. in the theater, the new theater cannot be born without your plays, but this is so true, because it is unspeakable. generally who i ask the students. they answer. i am a seagull a seagull is an amazing phrase. it is not clear what kind of person is in each person. the secret of a big little one is that what we see now, well , i can’t help but say that in our museum, in the state museum of the history of russian literature named after vladimir ivanovich dal, and most recently opened after restoration of chekhov's house on sadovy kudrinskaya. i know that once you considered this place yours, and i spoke there and read chekhov there more than once death of an official, there is a wonderful hall. here on second floor, and now there is preserved this hall has been preserved. here is an amazing story.

i am directly inviting you on the air to chekhov's house, and as a visitor and, of course, as an executive. yeah, with the pleasure of an artist here, we will be terribly terribly happy, because, of course, avangard nikolayevich , every second of communication with you is happiness, because talking with you. eh, you involuntarily join what is considered to be a classic, but it’s not always customary to talk about it, it’s not always convenient to talk about it, as it were says, well, shakespeare is great. yes, like kharms pushkin is great, uh, and okay, when will it all end, in my opinion, chekhov is all over here and it’s not customary to talk about it. and it works with you. eh, it’s not for nothing that our, uh, podcast is called. let them talk, let them read. of course, we spoke with you, but we spoke primarily so that everyone who hears and sees us, uh, would read literature more and love it, as she says nikolaevich leontiev, people's artist of russia

, is our today's guest. thank you very much. thanks for the conversation, which is very interesting. thank you, i am sure that we are with you more than once. see you, all the best. thank you hello dear friends a little bit of history 23 years ago the door opened and entered anthropology. this team is a sledgener, first of all we are concerned about lyova, this is a gnesinka. he brought this particular marinka as one could hope for a happy life path for this group. this is the fifties, when jazz was still playing in cinemas, in front of everyone who needs marina and this blinder knocked out, then

the brilliant drummer kovrovsky is here came here the girls were not there. she just then, apparently, went to the nursery at the sound of this mariba, who hasn't had it yet? well, many didn’t have it at the very beginning, naturally he was with me, or ilyich can’t be confused with anyone. and yes, all over the world. this is a team. traveled over the years a lot, lord, where they just were not at all jazz festivals. this is a very popular jazz group, marim ba plus and today, when they are at alexei semyonovich kozlov's moscow jazz club, they go to the bath. well, firstly, the hall floor. here it's all falling in ecstasy, beating into the other, because these are brilliant musicians. why am i saying all this? no peeling? let's see, what is this young lady doing here, what is your name olesya about media my friends

the audience, that they will all look at you, but the tavrovian is behind you, and he is thundering. so it won't seem like much. so try to answer attention from leonid and leo goes blind, dear friends. with friends about everything else later we play a plus.

well, let's just say it's great. it's hard to say, but still listens easily. it's full of energy, who is it? does he write everything? when i have good music, when

the bass player has a lot of work, it means a good piece. if there is almost nothing to play, then either the bossa nova or the excess has ripened in the mahavishna garden. please tell me what the marimba is made of, which gave the name to this group to one of the most beloved jazz bands in our country marimba plus marimba, it's just the keys to a percussion instrument. that is, it is the same as a piano with only wooden keys. these are the white ones. this black can imagine and everything will turn out, yes, but there are no intermediaries between you and the sound source. what are these hammers, piano dampers? yes, that's how he hit and got it. yes, yes, yes, simple. here, of course, and the sustain, that's how much the note stretches so much . lyova what kind of tree? this tree is called the african padalk, we are in the gnesinka. how many morimbists do we have? no, why

does gnesinskaya constantly give birth every year, but i had a gnesinskaya already many years ago 2000 we finished in 2000. we have finished it. so, yes, it was a long time ago, or the thing you have is chronologizing everything. yes, until now, all the dates are all for him to achieve, success, instrumental music and more difficult than a vocalist. well, look, for example, let's take such an amount. like well, i don't know, you don't soften, he is both cheerful and jumping. save. save. my broken heart here, you ca n’t even play well, it’s harder for you, because the instrumentalists. well, about love, you won’t play, let’s play, play.