can you understand, you can go and look? what is this reality and draw your map in accordance with what your artist is. and yes, in this world we are walking along a huge beach. the sand on which lies and we go and sometimes we see in this sand some brilliant, uh , sparks, we bend down, with an effort , we raise this sparkle and look. no, it's also a grain of sand. good bad no, grain of sand. well , let's go on looking for emeralds, and, probably, to some extent we will find, but most of the precious stones in this world, when they are find do not shine. but once again study other people, you have a ban on revealing their depth. people generally want to communicate about themselves, mainly. uh-huh well, it's a behavioral story. want more communication. tell them what's stopping you. there, i do not know

how to approach. here you have a coffee machine at work, you run into a colleague who immediately pours herself this coffee. what's stopping you from asking? do you like it with or without milk? that's just what is called a smoltok. yes, not very accepted in our interfere the opinion that this is not enough, this is bad and should be deep. no, but what if we hypothetically imagine such a situation, and i will come up as soon as i want to ask this question. it seems to me that everything inside me will just go on strike and scream. wow why are you afraid? what will you get in response to some kind of irritation or condemnation? why? well, what if he didn’t want to talk to me, but i just wanted to michael explained that the sweetest moments for a person. this is an opportunity to talk about yourself. yes , you ask, you do not say. listen i now love coffee with milk and two pieces

of sugar, and then talk for 2 minutes. as you say, do you like coffee with milk. are you asking about him? make him nice to you, what a pity to give, even if he does not want to. so what, yes, you know who is the best and the salesman on the phone, who is the person who is calm and loyal when he is covered with obscenities on this treasure trove. hmm he earns the biggest money in general, therefore, ah. this is the fear that they will send me. it prevents you from being effective, on the contrary. set up an experiment. how many times do you need send so that once someone speaks to you a story that they have sent so many times in their entire lives that they simply don’t want to. it’s not scary to jump into this swamp, you don’t want to, but it’s scary, yes, yes, and fear is a derivative of your opinion, what, when are you

sent? this is bad. they are the very fact that it is sent to you. and this opinion is erroneous, because when you are sent, it is good and not good. it's just a common fairly common part of life and is often sent to the waist. i don't even have a problem sometimes. why yes i'm here i argued, dear mikhail, and ok karin , you hear, well, well. it is you and i who have now slipped a little even into such manipulations . yes, just practice. eh, so i just finished them. why, because that's all? this behavior is possible, if you need it, you can change your behavior within the framework. eh, the famous proverb you want to get what you don't have? do something you haven't done before? change yourself. yes, but change if you need these external signs. it seems to me that another problem is that karine is actually really not very interesting people. you see, she wants friendship, but friendship is all the same, uh, about well, about dialogue and selling. and it seems to me

that you really are not very interested in people. you are very about yourself. i'm on the whole hmm enough. eh, i'm fine with loneliness. i am in it. i'm alone. nothing wrong. yes, you do not arrive in it. well, the fact is that there is no complete loneliness either, you have communication, that is, in common with other people. it’s just that you devalue this level of commonality with other people and say that if you don’t have what you want, then this level is zero. and this is not so. you know what perfectionism is, of course, this is the pursuit of an ideal, perfection is good only for the devil. do you know what pathological perfectionism is? this is a requirement that the ideal be found, and right now and immediately. hello it's hello hello you like it, you understand, it means that you really like it. this is your place and your

condition. yes, and your longing for friendship. it's already part of you. i am karina, it seems to me that i need to decide for myself. that's good for you, basically, if you remove now all your dreams of friendship. everything else suits your life. no, what do you like about life? yes , a lot of things, for example, unfinished repair work. the state of moving, which is in some incomprehensible process the absence of pets the absence of freedom of a certain very much everything for freedom. from what? well, probably freedom is, first of all , a synonym for money for me at the moment, because i really have a lot of financial expenses now and for everything, of course, k unfortunately not enough. well, that is, you have something to do. yes, there is not enough money. so, but to finish all this, you need strength, and you

spend these forces on negative experiences, that you don’t have as much as you want here . such a closed cycle, it ends. only when you start taking what you have and doing something with it. instead of being angry at yourself or at other people that this is less than what you fantasized about yourself, think a lot about yourself and your imaginary perfection and, perhaps, that you are worthy of a completely impeccable relationship impeccable repair impeccable income. and from the fact that you and your fantasies, your wishlist, they are incompatible with ordinary real life. you are driving yourself into this dead end, i am trying to avoid the mistakes of the past, just as people once refused to communicate with me a lot of those or what was it? i wanted at least some emotion to get alive. why are you trying to avoid all the mistakes of the past?

because i would like not to experience. pain. yes, it happens, yes it happens in life, but i constantly experience. what a fairy tale no. i the same say that i do not constant pain did not bother the colors of life did not flinch when i suddenly threw hmm no could not have such a person, this too. well, as if you understand an example of pain, you cannot live without emotions, including painful attempts to avoid them nephroticizes you even more. you see, it is precisely the very attempt to avoid pain that leads to pain, because there is no pain without pain. and then you have, as it were, two levels of pain itself and even more that it is pain, and then the third pain from what is more from what is pain. well, life goes on normal karina mom hugs you, right? well, that is, you have the life of a person with whom you can hug and exhale?

yes, like this, to be some kind of absolute silence, that is, this happens in life. yes, that is, it is not necessary to always be here is such a tense and ready for betrayal. you understand that there can be no such people besides mom, and i don’t understand, ready for betrayal and tense are not the same fact. yes, life is full of colors. including those that are unpleasant to us, but trying to get those nasty bits out of life. will cause the picture to be full of holes. try to reduce the degree of this perfectionism and the level for yourself and for others. see not a degree in time of his plants. not now everything should be perfect, and i give myself time to go to this. and if i have not yet earned that level

of intimacy with other people, then i will deserve it, if it is so valuable to me. and if i don’t want to deserve and change, because for you it’s simply not valuable, if i didn’t i wanted to change, i didn’t even think about it, i didn’t have to. you think about the fact that it hurts you, yes, but you also don’t want to live all the time anymore. i would like not a consequence of the circumstances that you encountered more than this is a consequence of the interpretation of these circumstances, the attitude towards them, the interpretation of these circumstances, including your most important interpretation, which prevents you from living without a field, that friendship is all the value that should be in your life, moreover, to the extent that you want it to be 100% complete, and this opinion is erroneous. let bye you know a little bit about your request. he is so deformed, uh, comes from some kind of trauma of your experiences, but he has

requests. so you have a chance to grow this friendship, just slightly reduce or stretch, as mikhail says , the degree of your claim to impeccability and perfection. and smile, you can. here's a friendly smile. natalya now , see how anyone is there, can you still? no, this is the maximum. yes, just once again this, of course, is my taste from the point of view. u mimics, but i i would say that for the entire time of our communication. you were outwardly quite unemotional and uh, had a rather arrogant expression on your face. it's my opinion. many people actually have it, but it is not arrogant. and it seems so to you, if many people tell you so, then such a stereotype is present in this society. try to fit the stereotype. and not people to try to adjust for themselves in the end. i will give my jewish exercise. you

probably love puppies and kittens, of course, you saw the face. and you may ask your colleague of the coffee machine has something with that inner feeling, that is, not to make a face, but, well, with the inner feeling with which you would give milk to a kitten or change at night. well, when you are touched by a puppy, you probably let all these of yours go. there are expectations of betrayal, resentment and so on, but he will be very, very offended. even how it can offend a bunch and more than once, gobble up favorite shoes, favorite shoes and even bite. maybe you can imagine. you must forgive him, of course. forgive everyone else people. i love dogs. what is your love for dogs? i love cats more. well, you love cats. what does this mean to me, dear no? what your love is expressed in

is actions, these are deeds. i don't have a dog or a cat. i can't tell, but i can sometimes stand homeless food, for example, always when i eat some kind of food, not cooked. and yes, the ordered leftovers, everything that i do not give me, i will definitely immediately take it out to where the cat is fed. here is life, yes it appeared in a person, yes, in the voice completely other eyes. you have a completely different face with you want to be friends. now it's true, it's true. it's just that you yourself really really want to now, why don't you have expectations of cats, people are too high - these are the same cats. here i am sometimes directly natal. i want to stroke it right here. he's just here, yes. well, such, here they are, yes, they can cling to scratching a cat. maybe, well, it seems to her that i don’t know kitty, you understand, and you forgive her anyway. why are you this pain from her? expect yes i do not expect these any let us

stay on your arms and don't lie on your heart. likewise, let the resentment, suddenly free involuntary, that you receive from your friends and buddies, let it not remain in your arms. do not put them on your heart, and it will be easier for you to breathe, you see, it seems that we have come to the right conclusion that you want to be friends. think people are kitties, dear, friends, a visit to a psychologist. maybe sometimes it has to do with rethinking your life. it may be painful enough, but pain is a normal part of life and having gone through it. you get better stronger healthier more mature. we invite you to our podcast. come, it will not necessarily hurt, but even if it hurts or is unpleasant, or you are against what they tell you, it will definitely give you. ah, the opportunity to look at your situation differently.

so, we are waiting for you to change it. hello. this is a podcast life of the wonderful with you, writer, rector of the gorky literary institute alexei varlamov , today we will talk about the wonderful great actress, the legendary actress faina georgievna ranevskaya, and we studio people's artist of the russian federation evgeny yuryevich steblov thank you very much evgeny yuryevich for coming to this studio and we invited you, because as far as i understand, you knew faina georgievna and you can tell us about her and share your memories and thoughts about this amazing woman. i worked with her in

the play truth is good, happiness is better, which is sergey jurassic kingdom of heaven. he, when he moved to moscow from btt, in my opinion, this was his first situation in those. we have advice, and i really liked this play. and even an excerpt played. at university. the whole idea of ​​staging this play was for the sake of the fondurna ranevskaya playing the role of a felitsa there. it's actually a role. this is a small nanny-filisa. you, but it would be physically more difficult for her to play some big role, and in general, she herself chose this material, by the way, you named faina georgievna ranevskaya. and we are all so used to calling her georgievna , but when we said goodbye to her. at the memorial service , the situation was so comical that all

creative people turned to the departed fund georgievna and all people are official officials, they addressed military grigorievna because in fact she was faina grigorievna according to her passport, but she loved to be called that and ranevskaya is actually a pseudonym. well, you know how uh she rarely went to the theater, uh, you couldn't see her at any meetings, she didn't attend social events. here. and i was filming at the time. i don't remember what the picture was, but i later started rehearsing my first time. uh, i was rehearsing the second line-up of the guys, there are young ones, yes, and here i come about a month after the start of the rehearsal period. i appear in the revolutionary hall. table rehearsals. well

, we said hello, so we sat down at the table. she tells me plato number one or plato number two. i say i'm plato number one. she says, aha, that's what it seemed to find out for herself there. and they began to read. and as usual, at the beginning of the relational period , there are a lot of such conversations, sometimes at rehearsals of a direct relationship, like they don’t have work, and i told you. i don't remember even now what it was for me when i was a baby in cradle, uh, bitten by a rat, uh, and mom woke up and saw, she threw it there. mop, right? or that you are a rat, naturally ran away, but then they carried me to the clinic for 40 injections. here, i told it

the same way as it tells you now? are you born wallpaper? i told her, i made such a neutral face and said no to an intelligent family. just uh, the war ended in 1945 and 1946, and i was born. in the fifth to forty-six there was still famine and there were a lot of rats. she then caught on and says, i'm sorry. well, we began to work. to read, but, to be honest, there i had one paired scenes with her, when she appoints plato to my hero. e date, well, somehow it didn’t stick together, to be honest, because in our business it’s like in love, sometimes there’s mutual understanding right away. well, it’s not

instantaneous right away, but since it doesn’t work at all, that is, you didn’t succeed with it at first. no , there has never been any. what do you think, the reasons for you or for her? respectfully. and so to speak very affectionately, and fondurina - this is already later. uh, it became clear to me. she didn’t like it when they looked into her mouth, but she seemed to check for lice , you know, there is such an expression, she even provoked a person with something there, well , it didn’t come to that with me, but at first it didn’t stick and even when -e rehearsals in all have already gone on stage, they began to go out already in costumes and here is the first rehearsal on stage. i think, well, it is necessary

to put it in its place somehow. in terms of our mutual understanding. here is the next text. she, then, sits down, i sit, uh, gazebos. uh, it means in the garden and she turns to me and says, dad, listen. you are a winner. i don't imitate her. well, i remember her conditionally, how about the manner of her conversation. so i say, wait, don't interfere. my fantasy is playing out. she says i'm your ambassador. i say, yes, nothing good, i do not expect you, and then she said some phrase. i don't remember now why i turned to her and said. well, what else is in the text? what else? and then i decided it, as if to put it in its place a little, and i took this phrase, this one. well, what else i

turned around grabbed her by the blouse, but her costumes and how i shook her, and the whole room. here is the theater on the council there is a huge hall. we both barked at the whole room. what else did she describe? and he says, zhenechka has been here since then, which means that i guessed exactly what is needed since then . we had some pretty nice ones. actually relationship. one time, she asks me. neck, have you ever been in love? i say loved the faker. she says what and what? i speak, well, did you get married? she says, and now and now i'm talking now, well, i would not like to talk about this topic. what is it? i

say, well, now i love another woman from ours. and to whom i will tell, i will not tell anyone. so i paused, then turned, uh, to her and said you great, she was taken aback again and said, husk. so, well, in general, there were the sweetest relationships and there were no more partner problems, but she was an actress there who played my mother, she idolized her. and she brought her to tears every other time at a rehearsal in foil. she didn't like it when she is somehow too complementary to her. and in general, it’s known. here they are played by vyacheslav yanych. then there was silence, a well-known performance, and such an illusion was created that they were such very good partners, but in fact it was not so. uh,

of course, they were both professionals from novyansk, with whom i partnered a lot. he once told me, zhenya , well, you know, it's like here in the zoo people come to watch giraffes there. that's how he treated that, supposedly, the zoo comes to look at her. well it wasn't it wasn't conflicting relationship, but nevertheless somewhat ironic. that's what she said. slavik you are a hack, why a hack, because he worked a lot on the radio, but it was considered as not the main job, because you say, of course, terribly interesting, but it turns out. so if i understand you correctly, it is a bit exaggerated. yes, that's her role, and it was originally mythologized, in part. and now the question arises, what is the mystery, what is the secret of this woman, who actually

did not play so many roles, but nonetheless. look how many books have been written about her. how much is filmed by the company in what? mystery? what is the secret woman? i will now try to answer this question, firstly, this is me from my experience for how many hmm 63 years. i work in the cinema, in the theater of the sixty-sixth. it seems to me that recognition, uh, popularity is called nearness, whatever it is, it's still a factor of fate, it's not always. in my opinion, it is connected with some kind of work, because there are, well, i know a lot of such cases when unique artists and they are absolutely not popular enough and it’s in fate. you think that fate judged fate. someone is destined to be. e, like this, but even if you want an idol, but someone

is not destined. and for this, it means that a person has no merit here. no, i wouldn't use the word merit, because it's not related to the damper. this is due to the quality of the individual with the needs of society, there are many factors here. eh, you see, well, this is such a very delicate matter. well, in any case, my opinion is that such a direct dependence. here is a wonderful artist , he became popular, even if he is a lot worked in many. or the performances are wrong, it's very interesting. and do you think this applies only to acting work or does it apply to any creative profession, because, for example, it seems to me that literature is a little different. yes, if you write good books, then, well, you become a famous author and that's all, relatively. it just seems to me that the peculiarity of acting talent lies in the fact that

the actor is extremely partly not an independent figure, because so. well wait, he depends on the director. no, it's not. tell me it's so pure. sorry for the primitive ethical perception, fain georgievna is not dependent on anyone, and your obedient servant also never considered his professional affiliation in this way. it depends on the quality of the individual. so in general, this is that the artist depends on the artist, as much as the director is dependent on the artist , you know it mutually, it's like in a family relationship. yes. here is faina dahlia. well, what can i say for sure, she was always very independent personality, and now we will try to figure it out, firstly, again . well, i have my experience, so i don't have this lack of modesty. i will refer to myself. it's just that it's, well, closer to my own

experience, it's a sin for me to complain about the fate of a sin to complain. well, i had a lot of conflicts. uh, although, although, all my life i was a leading actor in the theater, but also in the cinema, but these conflicts were connected with creative search, and not uh with manifestations of a bad character. that's fiingovanny, too, also she did not fit too well into any framework. although you can and wanted to fit in like any person, and it seems to me that in principle, she was a very lonely person very lonely. and here are her many so-called aphorisms. well, firstly , there are a lot of fictitious ones that are attributed to her yes, unreliable, but even those, as far as i know, are reliable, anyway, i had the impression that she was being invented. she herself also had some kind of verbal combination like this writer, and i also

published two books, so i understand what writing. so, she amuses herself, and then brings it, that means to work. so i think that this is so, but again it always went through conflict with her. for example she is often at rehearsals. the truth is good luck, better said jurassic and you need to speculate on my name. you see, she has the same uh, the conflict turned out with lawyer zavadsky at one rehearsal, i myself was not present, it was much earlier. he told her that he was from the stage, she immediately told him in response, he left art and left. is not the myth it was actually it was, but i did not participate in the presentation of this series. uh, the theater was its premiere, but the series itself. i

have not watched some fragments and i can say. uh, this is not the first attempt to play ranevskaya? before that, in some series, it was not vasilyeva who played her, but it seems to me that this is masha, daughter lyuba polishchuk the kingdom of heaven, she, or rather felt it. here, uh, she caught something. uh, in my understanding of ranev's understanding, she felt something in her the premiere of the season. wow follow us the voice

is no longer children from the first of september on the first and always on one tv.ru. we continue with you podcast. life is wonderful, and in the studio, the rector of the gorky literary institute alexei varlamov, we are talking about faina ranevskaya, a wonderful actor evgeny yuryevich, the stem of the family, ranevskaya , she emigrated to romania. her father was such an average oil industrialist in taganrog and then, when faina georgievna was , a popular actress well-known in the soviet union , she had a trip to romania and she was there met his family. even later , her sister came to the soviet union and lived with her . yes, yes, yes. and in my opinion, she passed away in

the soviet union and faringirna, she was absolutely powerless. here she could break loose on someone there, here is the general staff of the gremiora there, and at the same time there, uh, suddenly you find out that it’s someone’s birthday, yes, yes, and also some perfume, what to give? it was a very hmm expensive gift. she wrote endless letters asking for money. she sent this money and the directorate of the theater of our deceased director or fedoch, losev, but they found some opportunities to make up for it, but her salary of all the people's artists of the ussr was the lowest, because she was, but she did not participate in any social processes, because, uh, she was not an absolutely political figure, and well,

and the testament behind this, of course. nobody took revenge on her. and naturally. in general , the government did not treat her very well. and she was awarded, and even here she is. uh, when brezhnev told her during the award ceremony something more or less with me, yes, she told him. how are you? giant yes, speak, here. well, in general, she lives her such independent life, the only creature to which she was attached. it was a boy. it was a dog. eh, the cur, who, well, enough of such a tacky dog ​​was. but when we kept the fondue, he was surprisingly tactfully serious. he stood there at the coffin, everyone was simply surprised. in general, ranevskaya's funeral itself, they also had some kind of tragicomic character,

for example, here we were in the process of everything, and there was a photographer who wanted to take a picture. here this is all a funeral procession, and he retreated retreated fell into a flower bed. then it means, uh, when they began to say goodbye. here it is on this pedestal, which then go down yes, as you know, down in the crematorium. mikhail lvovich lvov is my partner, by the way, we also worked together. uh, in the play, it’s really good and happiness, the best fondure in the theater was called fufa. she had a nickname fufa, no one called fuf saw it there or talked to fufa. i don't know if she knew about this criticism or not, but of course, no one called her that to her face. here and here he comes to the coffin all in terrible excitement. and he says fufa, there is

a pause at the coffin again. yes ah and there abnormally with tears. here's everything i liked. i think so, because she was a paradoxical person. she was friends with love petrovna orlova, but lyubov petrovna was an aristocrat. although she was a brilliant actress and aristocracy. didn't interfere with her work. that's even clear to me. why they were friends, this is how it is humanly understandable. and then this friendship was embodied in their joint. e work in the movie spring. well, lyubov petrovna had a completely different nature, well, again, lyubov petrovna plays the main role, and the war there is fruit yes, it’s bad there, but she’s not crazy that she can’t play. uh, a role maybe. even as for ranevskaya, you know,

after all, i cannot say that she was a very intelligent person. no, for example, i happened to work with vladimir hyacinth, the leading actress of the second moscow art theater. and so i worked with her at the komsomol theater. here she was an aristocrat really a foil. no, she was generally daughter and taganrog oilman. well. it was a lump. you see, it was natural. it was some kind of gem. it seems to me that some very hmm internal volume was very large, it was very paradoxical and quite a significant volume in her, a lot of things were mixed in her soul, you were her gift. well, it’s just that i have a feeling that she didn’t realize much, that her huge potential

as an actor is, he was not fully used as a person. i agree with you. she, of course, revealed herself enough to remember that she was friends with tsvetaeva with parsnips with mayakovsky with a chuckle. they were just friends, and moreover, for the cornice on chukovsky, she was simply jealous when they were in tashkent, she was jealous of this to the question of intelligence or not, women, intelligent and suddenly akhmata spends so much time with this one, because the first nature and ahmaty, without che - certainly very demanding. yes, a very tough boss. brings her closer to him. it's just a lot more mountainous. we got together in some weird way. and this, of course, is the facet of it. talents. you know, when i read, e , the notes of ranevskaya herself, then perhaps i was most struck by her memories of her childhood, when she was 4 or 5 years old, and her brother died. lazar died, brother, lazar, she was very worried, she cried a lot, and then as

she writes. she looked at herself in the mirror as she was crying and at this moment. she realized that she would be an actress, to be honest. i thought that i most likely recomposed it retroactively, they hardly think they should have written, i don’t know, it seems to me that i interrupts. as far as i know, she wrote, then she destroyed it. here it is, nonetheless. something buried her. i think it's very on him. it seems. well, there is. yes , i agree, i accidentally said that you shouldn’t play on stage. you need to have a t-shirt on stage , you need to live, yes, and that's what that's why it seems to me, that's a creative person. such grief happened in the family, yes, and then one after that will begin to write with the elements. yes, another, maybe the day the music was born the third book. she felt that she wanted play. this is a sincere experience that was born in her heart. here she saw herself in the mirror.

she realized that she was created in order to bring these experiences to people, so it seems to me that this fragment, it is very reliable , explains a lot to him in her, and it explains, of course, some of the deepest potential of this actress of this person, who is everything -the same their main roles. here my thought did not play and i must say i saw her the only time in my life. here in this performance, and then silence. there she is, and she's playing. i was still very young man. just entered the university. and my dad said, here, go while they are alive, look at these old people. and so many years have passed. i remember plainly the content of this performance. but how they went on stage, how everyone applauded them for this touch on ranevskaya later. i already began to read all these aphorisms, but there was a feeling of some kind , really, bitterness of some sort of understatement of this human, this female fate. i'll tell you so. uh, why should there be a board not a proven degree? the board is too big to agree with the degree. yes i

in general, i think that if you poke the viewer like this, that's the only way to dot it. this is wrong. well, this is how i guide myself. e, so that the audience had the opportunity to fantasize. you just point me in the right direction. and what is it, because a person individually can fantasize much brighter and richer than you try to play it, you understand? therefore, i do not think that if there was destined to become a myth, which it became, yes, then it is not needed. doskannost. if there was a word of mouth, she would didn’t become, you know, a myth, this is such a paradoxical thing, and it seems to me that if she, well, she played, after all, the central roles, that’s the same dream and actually in the theater, she played the central roller all the time. well,

strange mission, strange months, then refused to play. well, she just was. i understand that, for example, i also don’t like to play now for a certain period when you get tired of it, and she, as far as i understand her, is also narrower. well, it's grown. this is a resurrection. you understand such a role that would corresponded to some internal e. the power of inner search already when she was and was not in her old age, and it is unlikely that she, as a professional, understood that she no longer had the strength for this, then you understand to me vasily ivanov vasily borisovich livanov how we are friends with him. he told me, he tried to transfer the green, by the way, they were also friends, yes, they played together in a foundling, yes, yes, yes.