and arkady is more important at some point, at least in the script, than the role and they tell panfilov and gavrilovich about this that, well, somehow it is disproportionate for you. e, pays attention to this personal life, the film this is not one film, but three films one missing stroganoff, the second nasty production and so the soviet cinema is arranged , remember at about the same time a wonderful cult film today was released, the film fyodor alexandrovich khitruk, where such a feature a parody of the shooting, just ivan the terrible, e, sergei from eisenstein well, how considered, however. in general, at this moment. eh, obviously waking up, in general , interest, and the soviet cinema to the nature of cinematography somehow, how does it do? yes? how is it created? here is some kind of miracle on the screen. this is the magic of cinema. well, this is the desire to show the cuisine of cinema. we have already seen a small fragment, with the director of which, by the way, the real soviet

arrest yuri klepikov plays. and the real soviet director and student from einstein vladimir vengerov could play real, other characters appear there. they are in the script even more important than end up on the screen. they were also muted in the script , an incredibly important character appears. actually, the screenwriter, who was clearly written off with gabrilovich, and began to talk about the fact that gabrilovich is a person. even in the twenties and thirtieth, he came actively to the cinema. he is a very interesting writer. he started in general as a musician, he is a master, and from the point of view of a master, he is such a character. olya gabrionovich appears scripts. he protects our heroine pasha stroganova, whom the director took on the role of joan of arc, and someone does not believe. let's look at the fragment. let's. well, something else, in my opinion, the situation is terrible. and i think it's great. well i do not know. even begged, not brothers for the lead

role. and i'm sick, look at the faces. it's not about that. call it jeanne d'arc some kind of hooligan. i, as the author of the insistence script, she is indispensable. the question is why is there a mounting gluing? somehow everything looks very strange. yes, that is, why does the screenwriter give any instructions to the director, screenwriters in general. usually no one asks. he surrendered the script. all goodbye. bye bye. we continue to shoot the film without you, and in real practice, both in the soviet and in the modern screenwriter reads very little. yes , he has already transferred all the rights to use, definitely not in the soviet film industry. and if we look, well, because the screenwriter, uh, this thirties screenwriter was the author of the film. yes, but in the sixtieth, after all, the director of the film is already a full-fledged director. he is the creator here too when we look at the screen. well

, as if a little bit of some strangeness raises questions for us. i say why glue for some reason they went off-screen, because obviously they re-voiced it all, and the character that you originally plays vizbor can be seen both in the director's script and in literary scripts. i was a representative of 100 with you. yeah, there are even such memoirs or stories about how some soviet officials who managed cinematography went around and thought that this was a caricature of them personally, that it was just specially drawn such a parody that it’s impossible to do this in the film did not appear. in as a result, in the version that, no matter how they were filming, the screenwriter did not appear, you were not with your galovich, but appeared, but representatives of the film studio, who is trying to sort out all the problems that arise on the sunny playground, but who are actually the director’s friend, and not lie to him this is a clearly written script. but who is sometimes very sad that the director does not

listen to him. and such a character was originally played in the wizboard around everything, and then it was remade, just from this claim of the screenwriter there are characters that are not here scenarios, by the way, very interesting. but this representative of the head office is arguing with the director. and as a party member of a party member, what is and why do you have a heroine, your jeanne d'arc is so sad, and her eyes are doomed. and now you would have done it like a film chapaev , to which the director says, well, maybe the film chapaev did not show the whole truth about chapaev, if we all knew how easy it is to accomplish a feat, then what would be the meaning of a feat. no, jeanne is just going to the feat, not suspecting that she can even do it, uh, and this argument around chapaev, he is very interesting, in fact, chapaev and not accidentally resembled chapaev. because his creators, the vasilyev brothers, are also direct students from the inside . today we are experts on the film

the beginning of gleb panfilov, it was important to show in the film that our heroine. pasha does not come to his success. we don’t even know yet whether success will be easy, it was necessary to show that she not only has problems in her personal life, but she always copes with filming and at the same time we understand that it is precisely the relationship between director panfilov and actress churikova that they were more or less harmonious, because the script , in principle, was written for her for her, and even knowing some of her habits , he talked about it, even the director of the studio, he visited some event, spent 10 days with panfilov and churikova and says, well, i understand that you are doing it for her, maybe a little. reduce this, maybe it’s a little more difficult for her, but at the same time there are memories and they are up to kuravlev that it was not very easy for him on the set. remember. yes, he complained that hmm, he gave all his best. ate something to do such an interesting thing on the site, and

panfilov somehow quite calmly said to redo it there, but we’ll do it, also kuravlev, really offended me a lot and there were legends about it. yes, i heard from one of our story producers about how a wonderful soviet director or panfilov well behaved very ugly towards a wonderful soviet actor. i'm not a curmudgeon. it's just retelling, as if it just happens sometimes. here in the dialogue, when they tell some stories. that is it still lives in the imagination of people. yes , there is a biography of kuravlyov, very detailed, where a separate chapter is simply devoted to this whole story about how hard it was for him on the set of the beginning. i wanted us to look at a piece, an idea, just the director played by yuri klyov treats yours strictly on the set. no, they don't interfere. calm down

why doesn't the hand bother me? no, i understand everything. i understood everything. now i will do everything. right. i remember that this second director is playing, the real second director, as far as characters named lonely play the second is his mosfilm, in fact, who worked on this tape. yes, the linfin of the film is here, we talked about the fact that there is more than one film in this picture. yes, not only the story of your love, but stroganova is not only a comedy about the peculiarities of filmmaking, but also

the third film. this story of jeanne dark is a medieval japos, yes, a heroic story, which, as it were, has its own laws. and this, of course, led to some bewilderment, in general. that's when so much is mixed in one film. it's always confusing and audience critics. 60 very often you can find some kind of reviews, uh, which are called the genre. but what yes, these claims will draw a variety of films, for example, in the film take care of the cars. when the critic doesn't understand. as a matter of fact, with what film are we dealing with a comedy with a detective or with some other tape, it is even more difficult here at the end of the sixties, and the director gives us three films for the price of one, as they would say today and this is the story about jeanne d'arc tape begins yes look we are being deliberately deceived.

when the movie starts we see a story about the judge - o. the judge over the gendarme, at this moment the camera after some climactic scene, a drives off and we see a general scene that it turns out that this is actually a film set, that this is not true of the middle ages. and this is the truth of the film set, they show us how film production works. yes, that is, as if here is a sudden transition from azerbaijan to another made by the protection of camera work, but it completely changes in reality. uh, understanding what movie we are watching and this happens very often throughout the movie. we are suddenly transported from reality to the middle ages, and sometimes you don’t understand how it is the real middle ages or the middle ages that we are shown in the cinema , we really see how everyday soviet comedy enters into a dialogue with the medieval epic and zhanna, of course , is a cementing image that connects together. here are all these three parts of a story about filming a movie a story about reality a story about modernity. in in general, as if she obviously represents

the greatest interests for the director for gleb panfilov why do you want to believe so? that first there was a film about joan of arc and then the film inception seems to be very convenient escapism. but to tell about something completely different, maybe under this sauce, as if to throw a new look at soviet reality, but this escopism, uh, which uh, seems to be in anticipation of dark , it is actually present in those pieces, which seem to belong to the present. here is the same scene playground, there suddenly plays such rollicking really. funny music let's listen do you dance? this is a completely free

use of western melodies of rhythms and melodies of foreign pop music of the soviet cinema of the sixties, it also needs to be said about how it, in principle, could appear there. and we didn't even know about it. so it kept showing up. yes, remember carlson who lives on the roof of the soviet cartoon there is an american melody. yes, here is a ghost story that scares two robbers. in fact. this is a famous horror house quite some american potpourri. i don't know how to say. i forgot the name of the artist who performs this singer. but in general, it's true. here. i recently listened to music suddenly i came across this story in the stream in the playlist. i was even a little shocked by how easy it was to take and use the songs that the director liked the soviet sound. uh, in the soviet cinema, the film is july. rain is also very characteristic in that there, in principle, there is no special music. and the set of what

could be heard at that moment on records on the radio, in fact, such microfists were taken from the radio, and at first everything seemed to be accepted calmly, and then eldar ryazanov wanted to make such a manner to collect in beware of the car. uh, in the spirit of tarantino future tarantino. uh, a soundtrack of popular melodies, and he was told, you know, maybe you can still find yourself some composer. here andrey petrov is good. so the cooperation began . magnificent ryazanov. and petrov, because we simply no longer allowed foreign melodies to be taken without demand at all on that the moment the soviet union joins conventions in copyright it all gets a little more complicated. so in general, of course, the aspiration of the soviet union is the 60-70s at the end of the 60s-80s. these are already attempts to cooperate with other countries, including in the field of active

production. and now one of these stories becomes just the next project of gleb panfilov - this is, in fact, a film about the gendarme, which he plans to stage in cooperation with the french. so he thinks that french funding is needed, as it were french participation is needed, because after all, in our landscapes and latitudes, this is difficult to film. well, definitely still with the participation of inna churikova in the main role and it seems, initially, at least to lenfilm, that this is possible? yes, because, indeed, she has a very great success in the film the beginning, she becomes the best actress of the year according to moviegoers, then the soviet screen magazine conducted such polls every year. here she is. uh, the best actress is all allied star and uh, all european, yes, well strange socialist bloc. we have a stage execution of jeanne d'arc which, well,

looks like a scene that could have been in a jinjar movie, which is to say, this scene was in inception but could have been in a jeanne darc movie. it would be a kind of auto-rake, but in general, from the beginning of the film , we see how it could be a color film for sure, a full-length widescreen widescreen, and gleb panfilov’s film is a woman, and a film made by a favorite heading.

well, what went wrong, what went wrong. the driver managed to shoot a danish director who made an absolutely french film jay jean's twenties in his movie with a french actress in france, however, the main question for a character named jeanne d'arc is always the following for directors. where do they get these voices from, right? how is it all, where it wakes up inside, and the heroines, this is passion, this is the desire to change the world, the desire to build a revolution, to start a war , to transform something. and where does it all

come from and each director, depending on the era of his personal taste? and it decides in its own way. well, actually, what happened to this pamfilov's project. he became one of the many projects that did not receive an embodiment on the screen. unfortunately, on the one hand, it was about money. it was indeed a costly production by the french. certainly not particularly hot. to finance it, how can one conclude from some documents there are not very many documents about this film, of course, not many documents have been preserved, but there is an indirect version, as which you confirm that the soviet leadership. in general, i didn’t want to touch this topic much, but panfilov wrote the script. in line with marxism linism. he received a review from academician skazkin's name - what kind of historian is this, who said that everything is correct about zhanna targ? well, at some point, he writes a letter to churikov from his comrade germash, who says that i

gave up everything for the sake of this project, that is, i put it off, that is, my personal life. i don't play other roles. why aren't you putting this film into production? why are you giving them the green light? and as various sources write , he did not even answer this letter. just put it under the window and forget that's why we don't have a film jeanne d'arc . panfilov's and churikova's film came out only in 1975. it was just asking for the floor. here. how long did it take them to let go of their previous project, but we have the film inception which received in the early seventies and an award. e, komsomol and as i said, churikova received recognition from the audience, but it still does not tell us completely. why do we have to watch this movie now? of course, this is not churikov. that's why we need to mate this a film that, by some very very subtle transition, instantly transforms into

a completely different character. you understand that it was one character. pasha stroganova, and then suddenly became the wife of dark if not, there is no doubt that this is not pasha stroganova, who play the same nador. she is the real wife of dark da her job. you can't even. it's a game to call it really. it's work here, and it's incredible because it seems so simple. well, think about it, played one played the other. uh, played this girl and suddenly played joan of darke, she makes it so easy, so simple, that every time it's like such a thin tie. this is straight filigree some. uh, i don't know, medieval weaving. yes, what does it mean that it took hours. uh, pricked fingers with blood and so on, and from this it turns out that it is so incredibly beautiful embroidered with gold. and this, of course, is also a reason to watch this film, but also something about which, perhaps, we have not said enough humor. the

extent to which panfilov managed to talk here again about everything, well, quite easily, but the absurd is of particular difficulty. yes, this is not some kind of festival movie that needs to be immersed in order to understand the director’s deep intention, it is deep, but at the same time he does not scare himself away from the screen and , in fact, this is just the topic of our podcast eisenstein’s witness is films and the skill of directors who do not repel. yes, not a movie is not for everyone, but a movie for everyone, just right. how does cinema become such an art that it can attract absolutely any viewer to the screen, and even the most unprepared and it was a podcast of einstein's witnesses where two film historians are me natalya ryabchikova and my colleague. stanislavsky we talk about how by whom why were the classics made? unknown

cult famous unseen soviet films we are trying to help modern viewers to watch these films with great interest, great understanding and great pleasure. see you again. thank you, see you on the screen. hello, i'm pilot cosmonaut anton shkapper, this clue is space stories. today we will talk about space education. i'm visiting. ilya ovchinnikov , a popularizer of astronautics, in the past , a test engineer of the red army of energy. and now you are engaged in space education. yes ilya tell us what your work today is. now i'm with a huge team. it seems to me that people create such an ecosystem,

one might say, when student children can try themselves in space professions. still at school. even at the institute to solve interesting engineering scientific problems. e err to they could and we are creating satellite constructors. we make competitions in astronautics so that the guys can develop their skills and become well-qualified engineers and scientists in the field of astronautics. that is, it works. pretty old age. i mean yes duration. this is from what age? well, it's actually being done right now. so yes, you can almost even work with first-graders, right? this topic and but we are more sharpened to ensure that hmm, these competitions are olympiads there. it starts more there in the seventh grade, when the guys yes competitions, of course, competitions , yes, so that they can already have a little understanding of physics, there is somewhere chemistry, and they could already

directly raise to raise each time there are competitions among students. yes, there is the launch of satellites of prototypes of stratosphere satellites, for example, yes, there are such competitions there, they participate in the studio, and somewhere there are mixed teams where students are mentors for schoolchildren. and we have such a great team. e like-minded people in different cities. and so, well, this is what is being created. in general, the new victorious roskosmos. roskosmos supports all this, uh. financially, uh, somewhere, of course, financially somewhere organizationally, but often, this is some kind of direct initiative of some associations of some non-profit organizations that gather or there are private companies. now it is, well, in private astronautics is very much included in space education. eh, as a matter of fact. they are starting, they are creating this foundation , somewhere there is purely what

roskosmos organizes and we help it, and somewhere there is us we organize roscosmos supports this. well, in addition to the competition, there are also space shifts in the camps, that is, children can immerse themselves in the theme of space. for a few weeks. usually this 20 is actually like this, if you think of it that way for a moment. yes, your daughter was also involved in this, right? and like this, that is, it helps. eh, a child, going on a space shift, forget that he is a schoolboy, that he has a school, that he has household duties there. he is a clear parent. yes , no one interferes, and he has the opportunity. e to come to meet with a specialist from the space industry to assemble a satellite to assemble a rocket to assemble some kind of robot and in a team work in a team to intensively discuss all these problems meet with astronauts meet with specialists. and now to understand, do you need to do this astronautics or not? these shifts are precisely aimed at

this, and here are the federal space shifts that roscosmos is organizing. hmm uh, in fact, they are absolutely free and there is a selection. i would not say that it is very difficult. that is a change. it is not simple. i want to go through some selection first, and it's not really difficult. it doesn't take a genius to get on this shift. you just need to overcome yourself, and the parent needs to find this competition for the child to overcome. just some laziness to prepare some banal. well, there i don’t know how to write an article or make a report on speaking somewhere. make a project, that is, start doing it. send to chat with experts there. how can this be done there, get some kind of feedback and get into artek orlyonok ocean in vladivostok that is, now there are a lot of such shifts, where to find information for parents and students, passing competitions, thanks to which you can get into space shifts. so, if we talk about space shifts, that is, such a portal is called the key to start; it is supervised by the portal

key, the mentor is supervised by the state corporation . there is a knowledge base for the teacher for the child for the parents. and there is news about the start of the start of the selection of each shift. here now selection for shifts. uh, in orlyonok to the ocean in anapa now. well they passed. eh, but there is still a shift, not necessarily in the summer, and they are not necessarily in the summer, even these cosmos in artek. it passes for me in april, the children go to school there in parallel, so that the child understands conditionally that, well, after all, schools, but that is, he did not lag behind there, because there is still such a situation that the child, when flies away. eh, here in another reality in the form of these space shifts there. yes, even here we are conducting a program on duty on the planet. here now here in khanty-mansiysk it was and there are guys who compete to assemble

rovers, rockets, satellites, and then they work like this for 3 weeks. they have a device flying the stratosphere at a 24 km lesson, you fly to a height of 2 km , robots go over an obstacle, and then i won, they won, and they come back. and what's next, and here is the complexity. here the difficulty lies in the fact that he gained experience. and here the main thing is that mentors are parents. eh, the child himself was not taken aback. what to do next, because he comes back to school, and there not everyone is like him, not everyone wants. uh, do astronautics as an engineer. and here we are also helping in this regard, so that children feel themselves throughout the year. uh , on such programs spaced apart during the year, we felt, as it were, in the same atmosphere with like-minded people. that is, these are online chats, these are some kind of competitions and parallel conferences. there we try to do there. there, too, here. podcasts, too

, some meeting games for children there, yes, that is, here we are doing everything so that children could feel like they weren't the only ones in love with space because going back to school can be hard. what, uh, specific programs can you tell us, we just talked, in general, what there are, what there are competitions. yes, the camps have a program. and here, maybe, uh, some guys that parents who will watch will interest us. well, this or that program, in fact, the program is a lot and they say so. and well, somewhere evenly somewhere not very distributed throughout the year. i would name such here the most very popular programs. yes, that is, first of all, a competition. e such an all-russian project is called the planetary duty. this is a series of space competitions. this is robotics rovers - it's rocket building rocket building championship jet propulsion. these are satellites of satellite construction. these are

applied space systems, where, just as i was talking about the stratosphere, someone is studying images of the earth received from satellites. someone collects ground stations. uh, there's a competition. uh, this is called an aerial engineering school project, where during the year there under under the guidance of specialists from moscow state university, the institute of nuclear physics, moscow state university, they are the main organizers with roskosmos, that is, children are preparing a payload for a rocket model. in january they have a winter session at moscow state university, they come. uh, defending schoolchildren. yes, yes, yes, they protect their projects, someone passes, someone does not pass. they prove their payload. really works. there are all sorts of small projects of satellites of all kinds that transmit over a radio channel, that is, they give data on temperature and pressure. well, all that they themselves will come, and then they are launched in the summer. that is this here is the air engineering school. the program is another program, for example, this is a stratospheric satellite, where

satellite constructors are sent to children. prototyles are sent out and they win applications. and how to win it, and there , conditionally, such an application is submitted for an experiment project for a follower and on the space for portal. kids are also on the luxury website. roskosmos is also on the website. yes, and this competition is the need for a designer, they win the application, that is, they won the selection passed the satellite uh, merchant. 10 by 10 by 10 cm, or it's 30x10x10 cm just with the vat, a group e of schoolchildren is being launched, or is it one man sent to the team, that is, the team submits an application , firstly, the team has yet to be created. yes, yes, before. here i am, for example, when i studied even at the institute. we didn’t have this. but, for example, maybe in your childhood. it used to be the young technicians station at the young technicians home. now they are no

longer just like houses, and they are completely such. yes, this is a buzzword of the technopart. they become technoparks with new good equipment with which you can do some. well, bring at least a child closer to technological things. and there is quantoria, mine are the regional centers of sirius according to the model that in sochi where children gather for space sirius of the whole country in orlyonok from all over the country, and there is a regional center in the voronezh region and everything from the voronezh region is in novosibirsk there is in yamalo- nenets, we had a shift there and these, uh, technoparks. now they are in every city they are such collectors. they somewhere together with the station of young technicians somewhere separately, but now there are a lot of them. and this, perhaps, and this is the most important thing, it's all free. here are many, many parents. they think that oh , yes, there they show us how children collect something there. this is how much it costs

nothing. this is a child of the soviet era , the so-called circles were free from study. yes, children can after school, well do i hope uh, homework come to this circle. everything you need is there. i have in kind of equipment. there's a mentor there are mentors who can teach you how to do something. well, what is already before that yes, and you can dream up something yourself and the most important thing is that if suddenly mentors, teachers watch us, there are now a lot of opportunities and there are opportunities to receive grants for the development of some project, well, really get such a small at least funding support. and, by the way, i forgot to say. another important space class is the bevel projector. it can be done at school. yes? that is when e are given some additional classes according to a single methodological program, that is, hours are added there so that the child can prepare during these hours by competition to prepare, because because of the competition

, use points are added and most importantly there is a national technological olympiad there are three space profiles analysis of space images satellite system, alien robotics and now, winning in this direction. well, in some direction. if you are a prize-winner or a winner. you have the opportunity to get in without exams, or 100 you get points, that is, yes, yes, yes, as if there are obligations there that you must pass the exam well and so on for you more. throw off from above, in general, such almost 100% receipt of 100%, yes, because it is important and it is clear that some. but for these, for example, uh, what i said about the duty officer, according to the concepts, there are up to 10 points. here you are, like this, you can accumulate up to 10 points by participating in various competitions there. eh, and a lot of opportunities and a lot of the most. here's what i think is going to be incredible. cool. if the child, when he works, he rode here, he rode , he won everything, he met anton shkaler in an eaglet somewhere else and at the end he

says, guys. everything's ok. thank you all, but i realized that i’m interested, so anton told me there about, sevastopol, or there about submarines and about underwater equipment well. yes, i want to go there, this is mine. well, even if it does, it's already cool. that is, even so that he does not spend another 6 years of his life at the institute for the fact that i like her, yes, that is, he will go to work and so. i was impressed like this here he is a guy who won the national technology olympiad and he comes out like this, he says, guys, great. i won the big data olympiad, but i realized that i don’t want to work big. i have now worked for 4 days with the team and won it all. e wrote physics and computer science well. i realized that i was interested there , well, in this area, but a little bit different, in my opinion, it's cool, because anyway, yes, he tried to understand? the most important thing is determined. well, sometimes it happens. it's a pity that

the guys, of course, don't go. here, with such potential, to participate in these competitions, as far as a prepared student should be. now there is the internet , in fact, almost all competitions are held online. you solve the problem on various platforms. you can draw a 3d model of something at home. you can program, or something, or you got the job. yes, thanks to the internet. can you pick up the teams yourself? yes, there are teams where they gather among themselves, uh, well, in the end they do one thing and even the one who will be someone is pulled up an engineer who assembles with his hands someone is a 3d modeler someone is a ballistician. and here we have, how it turns out that it all gets along in one team, they each other, for example, there are three or four people in such teams, yes , yes, and here we have, for example, at the olympics there, one team considers it real the ballistics of the satellite of his flights of interaction with

ground points, and so on, the other collects to the child. how old are eighth tenth grade eighth tenth grade eleventh grade, that is, up to 17 years old and they yes, we give them webinars. we give so chew material. that is, they count. here , murtaz was a guest there in the counterneon euler angles turns. here they all think they need it in order to solve the target problem at the olympics. they need to turn the satellite in a magnetic field there. they do it all, but of course they do not because they are geniuses, yes, and there are geniuses of legend, but there is also just preparation, that is, we systematically give a task according to the level of complexity, so that they try to dig deeper, then solve this task. then it comes in and you immediately, but you stand just like in front of a volcano, like in front of vesuvius. the commanders of the red army

palette officers to me, consider that this is the hero of our time, the image of a man in whom you can fall in love. some kind of rigidity with internal touching. here is his genius. hero possessed by passion on saturday at the first such a story .

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