[000:00:00;00] for some reason, everyone thought that he would be very happy and laugh, as if their jokes, but he had such a thing in general, i remember getting angry and upset, well, he was walking along a track, looking for where his car was, which means they turned the hall, but there costs. well, idiots, well , remember that andrey vasilyevich was very, very somehow not here with this humor, he did not understand and what was his reaction, swearing and swearing at them very much i appreciated this humor, no. well, there were a lot of funny things. he, of course, incredible humor in an incredible person. until now, somehow all the time you appreciate in people. if yes, humor, excellent, you know, a normal person, he never pretended to be anything, he never tried to please, and he always had some kind of readiness. and here is such a collection. you know that he almost died at our place during the filming. yes, in the same place, yes, this is a terrible story, the power of an episode when he is sailing on a boat on a swallow, and he is very close. i

just don't know the name. uh, that 's what a screwley is, yes, and he's very close to it to this propeller on the boat under the flu and it got sucked in. it was terrible. it was scary, because when the glasses surfaced and a hair patch. andrey vasilyevich is gone. empty boat, everyone understood that he was dead. what andrei vasilyevich went through is generally incomprehensible, but there was no hysteria, nothing, well, thank god that he is alive. i can hardly imagine in his place another actor who would have had such a reaction, because everyone was afraid to imagine what a responsibility the directors of the cameramen are. it's scary, well, this once again speaks of the dignity of the human self to some kind of

internal culture. well, i want many to have had it. this is a podcast of letters reminding you and u visiting me. maria brusnikina. i still think about the cruelty of the profession all the time. here andrei vasilyevich neighbors decided to shut themselves off from the world. this is their right and these ubiquitous preparations, which in recent years have been tracking them somewhere anyway, they were filming a not very healthy, dangerous , such and andrey vasilyevich how much heat was it? here she was holding her hand all the time all the time, well, yes, well, here i am, you started this topic with internal culture, there really are a lot of such people, yes, and when you come across, you start yourself further measure these people. yes, all of us are not national explosive temperamental people, but artists are already yes, and like at the moment when you suddenly suddenly something like this happens to you. i very often actually remember this

school of andrey vasilyevich, this is restraint. and this is very rare. well, yes, it's internal. it's like respect respect for a person for people who are nearby, yes, and for themselves and for themselves. as once i sasha feklistov. and sasha too. we have a perfect classmate. he is somehow for me with you so no in many ways a measure. he was so good at me put in place. i am such a temperamental person. i remember once and said. how is your opinion and sasha suddenly speaks to me so calmly, are you sure that you are always right and somehow i am so glad i remembered it for the rest of my life or is there what intelligence is? that's what sasha said. well, you know, you're going to be a scammer. let the other one pass , and it’s also so simple, and andre vasilyevich had it, yes, respect for the other, not for himself, although it is clear that, probably, there was a sense of his significance and his talent. yes, but you respect the other, he and seriously relationship to the profession. that's what he invested, of course, in us. and you know, he had some kind of compassion and uh, hmm, in general

, understanding of the situation and you can’t say, well , he felt sorry for me, but there were situations when aleksandrovich was not very to me. uh, well, it was a violent romance. yes, he was cruel to me, and andrei vasilyevich, he saw that i was all starting with me like a string. and it didn't help my work. on the contrary, i was closing, that is , someone needs a pinocca, he goes and plays and is wonderful. i need to love to praise them, then say, no, i'll do it to you now. better. oh thank you very much, i'll go and do it if i say i don't like it. well, and other , that is, i can’t, and andrei vasilyevich understood this, and somehow he began to help me like that , he began to block me like that. it's me now, i understand it now, but then it seemed to me, well, yes, well, well, since my mother also helps me. i mean, he took it all for granted. well, why not, the old man is there, 42, where, trying,

he was already there anyway. well, some kind was, uncle. uh-huh, you're vibrating because of that, because of that tension. apparently, due to the fact that just clearly recently, i also got. i think it's just such a person, vibrating turned out larisa oh thanks. that is why andrey vasilyevich , of course, happiness, that here i am, and gratitude to him that he was in my fate. i don't care. these people form anyway, that's how. well, you had him, and taught for four years. and we worked for six months and over the years you understand the significance? yes, this presence, of course, is very bright bright a star, and then not a single one in the theater, then we worked together for a long time and played together in the seagull and also like that. yes , of course, and he introduced me to chaika, that is, we came, and you always called him andrey vasilyevich and you i also

called him to you, but andrey, i decided so myself. i think i'm an artist and i'll be like you. but i called everyone to you, but by name. no, i , too, as a rule, everyone is on you. but andrey vasilyevich is not here and he introduced, roma lena mayorova , the three of us we were taken to chaika there before. here played vertinskaya hmm katya vasilyeva masha i have andrei vasilievich's novel for masha lena and nina, and andrei vasilyevich introduced us. and i also remember how he is, how he does it wonderfully, moreover, how are you here. there are solid stars there, there is someone there , it’s clear there, there are stronger ones there. uh, savina around. yes, there lavrova didn’t go to their rehearsal either, which means that he gently arranged everything for everyone, and then, when we already saw these on the run-through on stage, everyone was surprised at the innocent, very surprised, as if you see three new performers, that is for all the gaming forgings of all of us somehow and too so he's right perfectly level, but not lower. and you know what surprises me all the time. that's why, for example, alik

kenkovsky here at the mention of alikingus. here he is a star. andrei vasilievich is a brilliant artist, but one cannot say about him like oleg ivanovich yankovsk, yes, a star, and not because he did not go to the festival, but not because he was not a public person there. he was never talked about, never gossiped or slandered. well, i don't know, but on the other hand. you see, it's still human. here he spat into eternity. here he took off defense of fate, which they say he did not like. and now she was very worried that they show it every year, but did not love it later. yes, he took off. there serves in the novel. he starred in irony of fate. well, the whole country knows this man, well, until now everyone will know, and it will always be a star. yes, that is also how to manage. hmm, it’s clear there that he had a lot of films, but these two and well, and it was clear that the cruel romance and everyone will always know this story that eldar alexandrovich himself wrote lyrics for the song. and yes, on his films, he hid

the office elements in the novel. yes, he is. on the whole , andrey vasilyevich is composed, like, like you and andrey didn’t like everything very much. kalnul not very much. eldoras, aleksandrovich got angry, offended, and in the next picture in the garage, he gave him a silent role. yes, he took revenge so much, and then he sang this song andrey vasilyevich i remember throwing out a panorama or somewhere he sang this song. he sang beautifully, he had a wonderful ear. he never drinks in an office romance. or even not trusted to sing but in general he was amazing in this sense. here, for example, he never read the elements aloud, yes, and he thought that it was so much and i remember it, it’s very good that it’s so personal in general, everything that concerns poetry is so much and what you experience while reading. it's that, it's so personal that it doesn't need to be transplanted anywhere. here. i just remembered it despite the fact that the amount of knowledge i have there is about the love of poetry. not in person, not in public. sing. no, the growth is interesting, yes, the father is also included in the acting

profession. this is something so personal. yes but did he rarely allow himself to read poetry or what? something to drink. yes, how amazing some beautiful life of 85 years. these rumors, no gossip, no dirt, and no houses, there was no broken fate, for example, here, he could play alyosha karamazov there until the age of 30, well, there are a couple more roles, and he would also be remembered. we would have sat there remembering everything, well, he lived such a very beautiful, wise , meaningful life. yes, i was just thinking about it too, that somehow i should leave and always command respect throughout my life, look. and how i fell in love in my first year. yes , asya came, and he saw her and realized that she was his woman for life, everything is beautiful in his life. it turned out and she

reciprocated, she also considered something in him, but distributed it, for me, this is just an example of this couple. well, now on the troekurovsky grave next to dima brusnikin. quite close. andrei vasilievich is inhabited by a dark one, and asya survived andrei vasilyevich for a long time, i don’t remember, it’s just that they looked after her, of course, there, but the fund artist is absolutely wonderful. yes, this one organization and they connected and the director of the fund is an artist. olga helped a lot, because it was quite difficult that she didn’t accept the axis, no matter how, by the way , not all the nurses were there at once, then she got used to some woman who helped him wonderfully and there were always doctors, and that's all, that is, here are the fountain players. just a huge andrey vasilyevich, he did not need. but he was leaving, that is, everything was there. yes, it was enough, too, were in russia and leaving. and then, somehow, she was left alone. and yes, but she pretty much didn't let her in either,

that is. you couldn't come, she wouldn't let you, by the way, the only thing that could be done? it's here through science fiction organize. that's all help. eh, as if care and concern, and they did it all and a big thank you to them. it's great that there is a continuation in his students, you have, uh, a brilliant course, and you are somehow special, but all those who have been listed. here they are yes , we have some kind of charge efremov and myagkov a. borisovna well, yes, this charge we have, apparently, is powerful, it's true. well, in general, yes, at the age of 17 you don’t understand anything, you get hands on someone. yes, there , well, of course, efremov never took the course, you have to go to efremov, because here is efremov , but you are there myagkov yes, he is sitting dead. i will never forget how it is cynicizing fate. we were a sister, and the winter vacation home was some kind of camp site. and when i remember, i leave this room. it was just empty everywhere on the streets. it was just that in the dining room no one went to the dining room there was a tv set, which means that the camp site was wooden and the people hung, not on the chandelier was crammed. the entire staircase was

crammed. everything will be only possible, everyone was sitting. stick to this tv. in general, outside the window, in general, snow is at the address. nobody went to the empty dining room, because everyone was watching the irony of fate, it is not clear. it was, of course, such, when you see, the selection committee, soft. oh, somehow i don’t understand how you get to some people, and who shapes you further for 18 years, it was possible to shape what shaped us. here are such serious people of mary, here’s what is for you, like our father. here you are, for example, and did not allow mischief, certainly. this is outwardly restraint , modesty and respect for other people, a serious relationship to the profession. and that's all . that's probably the main thing, but i remind you that this is a podcast of letters, and my guest is the honored artist marina maria brusnikina.

thank you thank you very much. this podcast is a must read. i am aglaya batnikova, director and writer. today i am visiting. kirill shamanov, writer , art critic, artist we will talk about william burrows and his junk novel. hello cyril. hello. uh, william birox is in the sixties, a guy from an educated and fairly wealthy family studied at harvard , studied medicine in europe, and then chose this path. uh, let's just say to sink to the bottom and go through, in general, addiction to illegal drugs, and he describes this experience in his books and quite unexpectedly becomes classics of american literature. one of the leaders of the beatnik movement, including

halungisberg chuck kiruak and in general, what can we say to both rosa whether he became a pioneer, but because we know that irvinul e. from transporting hunter thompson to las vegas with fear and loathing, all they can say was after picking up roses and following in his footsteps. well, for american literature, probably yes, but we also know there is russian literature, english literature in russian literature, we know bulgakov's morphine, uh, in english literature. this is a de quincey novel. uh, another 1900 800 there are some tenth years of uh, that is, yes, if we say, like this chronologically, as it were, who was the first in this whole autofiction. eh, like this literature about dependence, then, probably, this is still a dequintion, but speaking of the generation

of beatniks, speaking of berouz, and his books and his style of description, then, of course, for modern literature for modern society. probably really somehow managed, it's mm to give. yes, as it were, that it has become, it is clear there, well, a huge mass of people, there his popularity is evidence of this. and the writers of the beatniks, they generally, well, let's say, how they differ. that is why they are called beatniks. in general , let's talk a little about this context. cultural. well, we are talking about the end of the forties, the very beginning of the fifties. uh, this is the american post-war generation. that is, it is the rise of the american economy. at the same time, in general, the rather poor state of american culture. eh, at that moment there was a need. uh, somehow make her dominant in the world. there , when you buy american you buy the very best american culture, basically, and there are many of them. these are the directions of many

artists during the war, modern ones were taken out and created just like this, like plast e, literary, including, uh, that is, you can talk about it as in such a political technology project, but like in any project with culture, something gets in and talented always and really, as if i had a few authors. why do we say all these? so jan is fiction? let's call it literature. why is it written primarily in the first person? this experience, it must be lived, as it were, and it is interesting precisely as an inner experience, first of all. it seems to me so, and precisely due to the fact that this inner experience in the form of such diary step by step some often poorly structured text. but it's like it's always there. here, as it were, the beginning, how a person began. there is some kind of abstract psychedelic period of this consumption

of chaos and the subsequent, as it were, what came of it all. that is, well, it turns out usually they consider it bad when the grave usually leaves, but in some cases, we suddenly come across the fact that such an addiction managed to somehow rethink this experience and even made some kind of novel have experience, you have two books have also been written about similar experiences. tell me what this rethinking gave you when you went through this literature. i went to study all these twelve-step programs, and there is a rather significant layer there, these are diaries, uh, feelings there, uh. well, it's an inventory of memory, an inventory of the psyche. there are blocks of their own. that is, you simply remember some people in situations that hurt you there or no longer hurt you. which one was delivered to you and they are detailed there according to certain methods to paint in order to understand in general, someone in this situation did something wrong, what is the situation, and when you have been doing this for years, you have such

a habit, as if not well, through yes, through some written ones. yes, they make some decisions through written analytics, that is, well, then i noticed that some characters, here, whom i describe, i remember or situations, but they are so interesting that there is no way to write them in these boring tables, that something is needed there - then more literature. why do you need a story, at least you need a story, i started writing a few the first short stories and then somehow all of a sudden it all came together, there was a book a few years later, and it suddenly even became some kind of small bestseller. let's not go back to burrows, and burrows began to write after he got out of addiction. yes, that is, he's going through this revision yes of his experience. it turns out formed. e yourself as a person. we can say that, we can say that, but we can say that the novel is junk. we are talking, just now i directly suspect that in this revision, that is,

he didn't stop being an addict and wrote a novel to a woman, but he began to work with his addiction and as a result, through as a result, wrote. yes, this novel, and in which he is clearly expressed there, he has his thoughts, his own experiences, clearly there. well, uh, put it on paper, and what is this novel about? that is, let's tell a little about all these auto-fiction novels about addiction, and they are to a certain extent, maybe to the main extent. in fact , his freedom and the loneliness of a person. i mean, about hmm, that's about, uh, addiction. yes there are all these adventures but, uh, that is , this in life, let's say american. yes, there are all these channels, but they are actually pretty, yes, like ours. eh, beloved pale sings all my stories, in principle, are similar, that is, all these novels, they really are. well, there's some man he's addicted to. he's the one there.

well, there is more or less, i see. well, this is the moment of what he understands. it's that he's addicted. there, one feels one's own, as it were , this one, such a slave, as if before this drug of life. yes, that is. and that's what it was. uh, analysis, yes, that is , laying it out on paper, how it tries to sort it out somehow consistently, because drug addicts are some kind of addicted people. they are often unable to think three sentences in a row in one pipeline. he's got to write down, that is, yes, that is, it's literal. here it collects the letter. eh, brains like that, yes, that is, to work with all of these addictions. here are the texts of the letter - this is one of the most powerful practices, these are these analyzes and so on. and you think that birch life, that it is tragic, because i, for example, see that he is incredibly lucky in the first place, despite his abuse. he even died of this

heart attack before the age of 83, which, quite unexpectedly , even survived his own son, and then he never went to prison. although in america these years. well, it's actually in the books. yes, this is pursued by the law. everyone was in prison. everyone was in prison, well, birches in the hut. prisons ah and the most interesting thing is that he killed his wife. that is , it was accidental by negligence, but so how to see by chance or not, because he had a quarrel with her in front of friends. she humiliated him by saying that he was a bad hunter. he does not know how to shoot, and he decided to prove that he knows how to shoot. that is , he killed his own wife, but uh, thanks to his rich family, oh, which i already mentioned , he managed to escape. uh, punishment and maybe mentally he was going through, it's because he talked about what this experience made of him. write or what, he began to write just after

this event, which he experienced, but nonetheless. it can be said that the man, uh, did not bear almost any responsibility and even his literary experience. and now he becomes a classic and becomes famous. that is , even at six. that year, a massachusetts court ruled that his book naked lunch was a work of literature and not something obscene at all, because the book was banned at one time, uh, but it was acquitted in court for him, uh, norman mailer. alan gisberg. john chardy. this is a fluff writer. they acted in defense, in general, of their comrade. but you can also say a rival. you understand that in literature does not happen. yes, such close friends are more like competition. well, that's what they all said. i read the minutes of the court, everyone said that this is a unique work, a unique

artistic method. oh, and american society. let's put it this way, it can't do without e, this look without this language, which i introduced to beru, that is. in general, he is lucky or not, you know, here i am as an artist yet still. yes, that is, uh, i experimented a lot with different media yes, this is called art techniques, that is , electronic modern art and some kind of theater and painting, yes, and painting, whatever. and when i started writing lyrics. that's actually, somehow i began to realize myself. how exactly is the lyricist? i understood such a moment that literature is, well, let's say from the point of view of the creative media, yes, that is, from the point of view of the creative material , this is the only practically absolute freedom is like a method. that is, according to the classics, firstly, it does not require money to create, there is only you and in fact. yes , secondly, nothing can

happen at all. that is, i can now go climb the ceiling on foot, well, let go of it to bring a diamond from there, and that's all. here, i have now painted a whole story in painting. it's all there in the movies. it’s you all for yourself the place where you can do it is animation, but it’s also other labor costs, and this is this and this is the incredible accessibility of literature, the power of these images that you you can create it like this. and this, of course, cannot be compared in terms of creativity. m-m freedom of creativity. yes, freedom e creative expression in any comparison, of course, does not go. so you're always doing some kind of 2d art. or there, like a raccoon, you always come across some interpretations, not restrictions, yes , restrictions on interpretations, distortions. and here you are directly in plain text. as if, so to speak, you cut it, somehow it’s all, that’s what i thought. that is, it is ideal absolutely format, and in this sense, as if

the birches were lucky that he, as it were, immediately began to engage in this art. only then, by the way, oh, not only writers, he painted pictures. tell me about it. well, yes, then here's five. fifth sixties arose a huge galaxy of american artists and abstract expressionists, that's there jackson polo, meekly. well, there is a whole one . these are the authors who are now worth hundreds of millions of dollars there, and then they immediately began to build good money. i take a dream drew such rather primitivist pictures, mostly on boards on some, and then, uh, all of her used to shoot them all with holes. yes, they are all shot. and by the way, in a paradoxical way. here it is in moscow, as it were, they don’t know, but in st. petersburg, for example, i saw one of these paintings in the permanent positions of the russian museum in the frame palace. yes, and there was even such a very funny moment when i studied the second book. i am now describing this episode there, when

i studied at the russian museum, so to speak, there such an alexander, comrade borovsky , there is a wonderful art critic, such a director of the department of our course, we are teachers and somehow we go to him, and there are some paintings, i look like that, there is alexander comrade. what is it? the picture is there, and there it stands there. well, there are two 70 basques there, there are paintings there, something picasso is worth something like a pack. so it's in this and some kind of peeled board is standing. i say this in general, that yes i will. and me just already at that moment. i have already stopped using it, i prescribed all these mine. i just give and i'm here contact happened. uh, with a birch through his material art is correct one hole at a time. it's invisible there. i recorded my feelings there, as if passing a finger through the pictures of the world, that is, uh. as a matter

of fact, he produced quite a lot of these pictures. they are. eh, in many museums there is something like that, and i really liked it too, like eh, then i was also all like that at the dawn, so to speak, some kind of artistic career and not very much. i liked the creative method that, as it were, draws a person and writes books and films there they are filmed on it, there and some kind of video art is being done and with the rockers they are collaborating themselves in nothing file form. such a media format of creativity is very close when you are, as it were, the center of your own creativity, by the way, that's what you call performance correctly, when your life becomes the object of your art. and so you can do it once there is such a concept that life is like an art of life. like a work. that is, there you have a historical one, how would yours be this kondra that is, this, because why do they buy some pictures of enthusiasm there some orhal, because this is the same worl, because there is a whole life. here, yes, and the legend is in

this episode of life. he painted this picture there, he had it, then he checked it. that is, you buy this story, but what is history? yes, the text that is, this is a kind of history, that is, you still think that the main direction, er, of berouz's work, was literature, right? well, of course, but these pictures are such artifacts. uh. yes, the accompaniment is so merchandising, merchandising, then there is for the cover of the album, in my opinion, one of his paintings, because when you get such wild popularity, you get, in general, there are t-shirts, that's all. these are also birches. i think there were also t-shirts and some kind of hats, these are some kind of collectibles. there, too, you could somehow jackets. there are some branded ones there. this podcast is a must read. i am a film director and a writer, my guest is kirill shamanov, an art critic writer. artist specialist in the art of the xx century. we are discussing

william burroughs, and his novels of junk and naked breakfast. listen and here, in spite of his say. so elitism. it's in his books. i see that he perceives these residents on these. e konovalov, pushers are more flint than hipsters, by the way, the word hipster is also used, i take growth, but not in the sense that the beatniks themselves were hipsters to the fact that now it is now we use this word in a slightly different sense then. it was a man who was in the subject. well, that's what you 're talking about, uh, these dwellers, that he was friends and communicated with the inhabitants. he treats them as equals. although we understand that he came from a completely different environment. and so he starts hanging out with some, well, just bandits. delnikov starts stealing and well, in general, and at the same time, uh, there is no feeling of any hierarchy. i have a feeling. here is some kind of equality of partnership and brotherhood. let yes man be a wolf to understand that in this situation,

probably, there can be no friends when everyone is hunting. yes, for some drugs, and most importantly - this is a drug, but nonetheless. i have a feeling that this is some kind of magical world. uh, bra- fraternal or not? i saw quite a few uh kids. these are the rich parents. e, they come in good cars, a week later the car is already worse , a week later the car is completely bad, then on foot. yes, then on a new car, that is, well, it depends on how the parents support, well, in general. yes, of course, that is, in this environment of use there, in general, there is only one hierarchy. that is, there you have you don't have you, that is, if you have. the king is god, and everyone loves you and all your friends don’t have you. nobody really needs you there. this you know, and how would you just be the only one there, somehow there, you can somehow offset something in debt there, it’s the most crawling, so there, like there, these things

are erased, as it were, that is, some social hierarchy. yes, rich is educated. well, from the rich, so you have. and that means something. and if you were rich yesterday, as it were , i'm sorry, is it educated or not well , of course, it will probably be more pleasant to talk with you, but in fact, no one talks about permission there. well, how do you seems to take here the election. uh, this experience, making it his literary material, and he consciously went into living life in an extreme, dangerous way. get out of the water dry. wherein. i think that in the case i take for here junk, just at the beginning of this novel. he is more or less describing. i think so anyway. uh, he was just so young in weight, yes, measurements, yes, well, few people like to work. and this is normal. yes, that is. well,

you know, here, i, too, for example, it is considered that i also do not work, and as a result it turns out that you write these books and suffer. there you carry these pictures all the time back and forth. something is always busy with something. that is, uh, therefore, these are people who often do not want to work, as if they do not understand that they will have to work all their lives a lot, wrote , i had to work, of course, yes, if this is how to return, i think that it was still young weight and such. here's some weird experience. uh, it looks like a game. everything turned out to be several times somewhere on the verge of life and death, and it was cut through, which, as it were, now he’s just about to die and that’s it. well, at the same time, there was such a guy, as if well-read there with some kind of subtle obviously yes perception, yes, that is, well, as if some fragile things perceived subtle things there perceived tracked it all, of course, he was very frightened. this is the prospect of dying in such a meaningless place. well,

somehow he decided to deal with it. and that's probably what i think it is. that's how roman junky became such an important over-effort. for him. we can say that here is such literature. eh, somehow promotes this way of life or fascinates? or so to speak draws in or rather vice versa? experience shows that those people who generally, in principle, read, of which there are few of them. here here they have a chance, that is, they have something formed there, some higher nervous activity, some kind of dreams , maybe they are delusional, but those have nothing to lose, they are easy-going. and if a person has some kind of this one on the cortex , some dreams, some desires to become someone, or i don’t know how to take place or some adventures in life, not only there in the yard there from one front door to another walk, then reading. it is, in principle, any, no matter how useful it is, if it is also thematic. rather

, it is positive, that is, junk for me when i read it for the first time i consumed it. for me, it worked for me. here is the consumption effect of what, as it were, here, uh, here's a dude, everything is the same, but he took a book and wrote it. that is, it consists stimulated. yes, that is, but i, and i’m sitting here , sitting, here some i’m getting here something there exactly this. some kind of boring, completely dull , monotonous life i live, in fact. this is a book about a feat, that is, a feat. yes, because sex, these are all autofiction novels , in which, uh, the author is there or the hero, he survives these are books about a feat about a person's feat in front of himself, because a person he rebels against himself turns out to be his vicious part. yes, who owns it. yes, and yet he is completely lost state. he doesn't know what to do with all those who are physically destroyed, and for all the society is destroyed. he's already there for everyone

stole what you can from anyone. listen, she influenced russian literature, the beatniks influenced berouz, we can say, well, our favorite, by the way, i am eduard veniaminovich limonov. yes, with this edichka of his, he arrived absolutely in the seventies, in the freshest form he scooped up this russian, so to speak, literary consciousness, so to speak, scooped up this beatnik drive and managed to rethink it. here's a wreath. yes filter yes and run it into russian culture russian ice great russian literature and this, by the way, turns out to be incredibly refreshing, and the manner of auto-fixing is this one. uh, how like such a kind of dogma? yes, that is, as an endless development of a novel of some kind, that is, all these, of course, are methods that were transmitted through lemon into russian literature. i think that, to be honest, we are only at the beginning of such a long journey of russian literature, because now they said there are chances to cover it. you know how many

years ago, see? i was surprised to find some articles somewhere on the national best, which means many of these critics and literary ones started and therefore ironically said that autofiction has gone, as if in russia. listen, i hear a lot of criticism towards autofiction. at the same time, it is completely meaningless criticism, because, well, there are some. well, there is a cultural wave. yes, this is true and you can't do anything about it. just again, someone will be talented to do it, someone will do it badly. what a historian and the art of modern medicine. i have another version such that we are generally doomed to autofiction next years 10.200. and just now, in general, it seems to me, that's such a great literature, especially a large literary form. it is in some kind of this. if not for autofiction, it would be in a big crisis, but , in principle, no one reads novels for a long time. now everyone is more interested in the short form, in my opinion, the short short form and the form that relies on some kind of reality.

that is, we are not now seeing, for example, on television a huge number of these reality shows, they even all come out already out of fashion, but everything goes out goes out, but they cannot go out. so i think that the future lies in all memories of biographies. but the autofish of people is just reaching out and paying rublyovo because it's real, because you really learn something there on the one hand. eh, on the other hand. it can be interesting somehow, if it's interesting, how stylishly interesting, delicious there i apologize for this word it is written there, then it will be consumed accordingly, because people are some kind of distant terminological things will not. and when a person is there, here, i know him there. i passed it on to you. it turns out that this is where it comes in, and now i also see that there was a big lottery popularity in the fifties. in general, one can say that you are an innovator and a pioneer of this approach to

creativity in general, when you take your experience, all the more shameful, yes, some kind of negative and just it, open it honestly and show it from your own face. and as you say. eh, a person who understands eh feels that this experience is real after all. well, i probably wouldn't say its downright fat at this, but he is it, really. yeah, he made it a classic, you know. well, i would say so, it’s not that he came up with it, but he’s already driven it in so that it’s no matter how you screw it up, because by and large there’s an auto-fix of memories and quite a lot, that is, different in every way, there and such and such qualities and that, yes, from everything, but he did it, really talented, firstly, yes, secondly, this is an interesting period of history, he managed to shoot a cut of this fiftieth, and in america some of these bikers before hippie. we suddenly we find out that there was some kind

of integration there, some people lived there somehow. i mean, it's exactly like that. here is another historical moment. here auto-fixation has a lot of pluses. i say if it's well written, plus it's historically interesting, it's a character. interestingly, the author is an interesting character, that is, there immediately goes a chain of some kind, it fits right away to some other people a novel of that time there with a memory of others is like, in fact , the universe of these autofishes and memories is like, here she will give literature. i'm thinking some extra, maybe sometime some extra rock fashion, because i'm generally looking forward to it. i expect a cultural explosion , new literary fashion, it will not be so supermassive, but, but i can see it directly, it's all spinning in the air. these are literary clubs on topics. eh, and it will be right. that is, it is there, because

people's brains are destroyed. it’s like, yes, it’s all already clear to everyone that literature and texts are something. well, the book is the only thing that can somehow include everything to collect or some kind of studying brain. they say that it is the reading of the letter that is direct, that is, to development. no, we see in literature several reasons to return so seriously, as if this is the most without jokes. that is, this media is very serious. this is a very serious tool, i just know from my own experience, and now, that is, the hardest, it can also pull out the addiction. and if there is a method for me, there is even some there, yes, they consult there, they combine there. some kind of gymnastics with well literary text work, it will still be the main one, and now i know. i know people's resistance. i mean that people resist, so to speak, this tension of the brain. they do not want to read and write. that is, you still need

to devote your life to consumption. if then they are completely dependent on their own sources of income there, and consumption there. they live completely, how to say, the second brain there, the limbic system. yes, and these books, they are such people, in general, they probably irritate, that is, because there just goes, such a direct criticism, the limbic system. is it so good to consume, is it so good to eat 20 loaves of bread a day, you're used to it, but do you love it? it's bread there, well, or 20 pieces or you weigh 300 kg there, well, that is, it collapses there. well, it's good, come on, we'll round it up already. i want you to get answers to questions. here. he is lucky , he is a scoundrel scoundrel. that's why he came out of all this horror so handsomely and became a star. and what do you think, maybe this miracle was done so that we could see

some way that he did. well , of course, he is undoubtedly her lucky and he was born lucky and somehow carried it already. well, like, well, on the other hand, here are ours. well , for some reason he killed it incomprehensibly, he got away with something good, but maybe you were not lucky with this. maybe i don't think so. i think that any such person who has gone through a hard experience and somehow survived has also succeeded. but now it's lucky or this man, uh, who did the deuce. yes, it's probably just not in this discourse. yes, it's like this one the moment is that how would a person be able to leave such a past and create a new one. yes, because it’s all to pick out in yourself and redo. it is a pain. incredible. it's not some switch to switch. it's like a long retraining of habits there, that's all. equally, i think that it’s not completely certain that you will somehow

change completely right there, because this is not necessary. but if we talk about that's it, berosite, then they consider him evil. and it seems to me that just when you're like after all these alterations yourself you are not something to become angry. well , you seem to look at people a little with such condescension that you are such a good joke for you. well, nothing like that. in general, not knowing, that is, for a person. maybe there really can be some kind of injury, and moreover, there really is. destroy a person because you know what you are made of and how you were made. and what did you have to overcome and you see that a person has it, and he naively runs barefoot across russia in that direction and you tell him, you know there is a hole, there will be an abyss he doesn't listen there. well, i think that you didn’t have this, you’re a fool as a result, then you go and look, well, he’s sitting in a hole there, well, the minister’s group came to the taker and said that he was terribly grumpy

grumpy, he only brightened up when they talked about his petunias generally a writer. i know that's how it is with the character of hmm, not everything, as it were, is golden. why is it getting old, you know? that all this has already gone through everyone, you understand? already survived all the times . well, he grew up, and you survived, that is. well, somehow this is all, it seems to me that they are spoiling character. thank you very much for the conversation. it was a prompt, be sure to read. and i'm aglaya on the batch file in the director to write. my guest was artist-writer arts council kirill shamanov. we talked about the work of william

beroz. black waves sea night waves touch the stones to the touch like tenderness up your lips, i really need names. now the first kiss is the first sadness. first i'm sorry,

first goodbye. the first kiss, the first thunderstorm. the first i want the first is impossible. hello friends. this is a non-format podcast places of power for young artists and walk of fame for artists whom the whole country knows and loves today in the studio, as always, my charming hosts karina cross valya carnival behind my back in the magnificent group of gipsy-ban taya anton lavrentiev do you know anton what we have an unusual program today? actually, like everyone else, but today she is special, because our guest is the charming, incredible

, simply magical natasha koroleva hello everyone, and also the super-popular and talented artist kazan is our guest today . nice to meet you. i'll just quit now a start so that you understand gazan has a total of 500 million listening to tracks. you. just imagine this figure of 500 million. i honestly envied the white envy of this tiger, what kind of lion is a tiger. here he is now sitting. hi all. hello everyone, natasha , i immediately have a question for you. here. i know that you started your career at the age of 16, that you came to audition for igor nikolaev and you immediately want to know, uh, there was a moment about sandwich here tell me about it is true, or is it just some far-fetched internet stories. no it's not far-fetched it's true, yes. and when we arrived with mom? yes, i was 16 years old. uh, such a cold november moscow

, igor listened to me, uh, at the studio for some kind of music. i remember what even where she was, and then he had a concert in luzhniki , a person spent the whole day there , fiddling with studio after studio. and how it was clear that he was hungry, and we were only from the train and with my mother. naturally, everything was there with me. and not only sandwiches, not only. and of course, mom quickly cut bread lard and what was more and probably in this way the heart of the composers melted because he did not collect the nanny, the premiere season. when i look into your eyes, i understand without you it’s impossible.

i know for sure the voice is no longer children tomorrow after the program time and always on one tv point ru your creativity is everything, despite the fact that there are sad songs, there are defiant songs, but they are all very bright. and now, i just remembered about the song little man with an accordion. yes, but it's not enough that the russian folk feast is fun corporate karaoke. yes, the song is very intriguing, but now i want to increase the degree and give the task to the gazan i watched with an accordion enough. uh, according to her lika, she is very understandable and simple, and after velvet pulls i would like you to do something in real time into the song a little man with an accordion , weave some kind of expression so that the song has well, not that, that opened the second wind, but she is not present, and shot. so, that here you can replace

a man with someone? you something trendy theft with an accordion let's play a little sing from souls. netli laugh let's make it a little more modern. do you have time at the moment of singing, so that something is a moment, but natalya do you have a word? potato you want believe girls? the little man got drunk with an accordion for me together. only with him. please, two little men behind the leg, play a little just from the heart, natasha the little man, like midges, play a little just from the heart, girls,

write. well, what maliks composed us, you came up with, as is clear. who wants to begin to love for only a suitable spiritual. no, you would want this one more years. ok, you would have managed with him the last natasha peasant from them. okay, i honestly thought that basically. she is so beautiful, my dears. well, that was it was a test, and now it's not here. you didn't miss out on it. the fact is that we are now going to cook, everyone is participating for some reason, i want the chorus to

be known which natasha koroleva dreams again and again and natasha koroleva dreams again and again and again opa and again. wait wait, this is the chorus. come on, i simplified it for you, life is a refrain. we have left come up with a couplet throw words. to begin with, that we will have a tiger, yes, let's write an image. i often often notice when i turn off a little, and i arrive somewhere, i

really want to sleep. i also want one day when you wake up twice, so that the base and again and again our queen again op op op op op went slowly, we will have a bite to eat chebureks on the way to the disco in the area, every dog ​​​​knows the main star, and who is the handsome one on monakovo, even if

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the radiance of your eyes. i will hug you, happiness, hug. the wind will hug you passionately and the sky will hug you to know i will endlessly kiss your soul with my lips . i will hug you with my happiness forever. i kiss you to find yourself happiness. dear friends, do not forget to hug your loved ones dear dear people and give the warmth

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