i also calmed down, my husband calmed down. i still couldn't not fly, then pour it, as i still did. and you weren't at home. you should have come back. yes, i was returning from turkey, it just ended. and yes, it's all good in the end. i when the third episode is on completely, i understand i think that i would be here i like to fly. i’m not an airport at all, that’s absolutely, but in this situation i would behave in exactly the same way as, of course, i would worry, because this happens twice and something else is being repaired there, that is, completely, well, normal situation. and now, so you and your husband can't even drive. yes , because you have with me. this is very important. yes, say that word again. anna can drive, she can drive. yes, so by car, but it is every time, uh, well, opinion. m-m her here are these tantrums. there, some moments give there an emergency situation, because it distracts me from birth. even moments sitting next to you. yes, they are in the back seat,

but that's why anna distracts you from you. somehow fast finale why? i said it important? yes, because anna, uh, has a certain disorder, yes or a personality deformation. they will say the word sickness associated with panic attacks tied to certain triggers. and you, of course , treat you like a healthy person who is just fooling around. well, yes, i understand that, i came to you to understand how i should behave as human beings in these situations. well, let me ask you this question, how to behave with a person who has the flu. he has a temperature of 38, he lies all over coughing. and you tell him hey buddy, let's go skiing let's go for a ride with you in the hole to swim. so you say to a person who has the flu no but i've tried in many ways there, like you did it in the moment. there , i explained what i was doing now to overcome my fears.

what is the situation on the road now happening there alexander wait, michael gave you a very understandable example. yes, let's continue his example: a man lies with a temperature of 38 with the flu, what does this man need? what does she want? this man wants to explain that nothing bad is happening. you are temperature. well it's actually us in the room the family needs to open an article, that means some kind of physiology there, yes , and see what temperature is. why such a reaction of the body, it means now to read a lecture. so what's going on with the flu, you can still have different strains of the flu and say it, and now get up. i 've explained everything to you. get up let's go. come on, come on, come on skiing skiing one option that i tried it brought again. i understand you, but the first step is to treat a relative. yes it is to admit that there is it. okay, let's call it a disease. here, it's just not trouble. hmm, you can get sick with something, but if a person gets sick as a result of several

traumatic events in his life, then it is also important for him to give time to recover or recover something. not because some diseases. they seem to be corrected, and then there is a rollback, then they roll them back again. yes, so once again the first important step for you, of course, and for you. yes, there is a feature. and let's let's replace the word disease with that. yes, once again we are not a medical transmission there is a feature. it's a feature it is important to accept that it is. and i have a feeling that both of you know this, as i don’t know, well, to some person. well, they cut off half a leg there, and he’s like that, and i have to run cross-country skis, as if everything is in order there is no person with a disability with a physical feature can run cross-country skis, however, there is a lot of weakening there somehow, he can do anything, but he definitely won't run. just as you would run if your leg was healthy, so it’s the

same in your situation. don't expect yourself to snap your finger and sit down and sit down. means back. there you will be less likely to get in the way. let's buckle up. let's talk about it so that anya sits in the back. let's just tell her about the fact that she buckles up. she buckles up always always gravitates because of these wherever she does buckles in here. if somewhere something is not fastened, it stops where it is fastened perfectly. she sits from behind the front and in the back of the bus and in the train when she sits in the train on the rails that she travels. clearly behind. you even even in the subway back because he's afraid. we 'll get started now. i mean, what are you saying, she can grab me behind the wheel from behind. no, she doesn't have enough behind the wheel. she can touch there. well, it’s not that i’m not there for a glimpse yet. yes, the tip, like so, like, yes, to understand it, it gives badly there, then it happens that natural is just bad. no, that's not bad.

why were they talking about it now? what is it that you would like to just say at the beginning hmm that she makes an emergency dangerous situation jurisprudence danger situation that she distracts me there, when i suppose the rebuilding happens you need to speed up. i need to speed up, that is, i understand, i fixed it for myself there. what is the distance to the front, going car, i begin to look already, as in the stream that arrives, we begin to drive, respectively, i control the distance there of the approach. and as it approaches, she sees a car approaching. we are cutting sash now. i always get distracted. eh, and did not control this flow. clearly written. as they say, they understand, right? well again, if a person sits in the back and he is fastened, and we expect this from him. the likelihood of any accidental hazards is reduced. i'm not saying that it should end there. i say that it is when we expect such

events like this. yes, this is to accept that a person is like that. now, he's not another unhealthy, not scared restless. it means that in this situation he will show anxiety. if we are already ready for this, it is much easier for us to endure these manifestations once. second, if we think that these manifestations are very bad for us it will be more difficult to transfer them. and here guys, tell me, please, what is going on. yes, these panic attacks are bad. it interferes badly. yes? why does that mean because everyone gets nervous about me because of my reaction. we can't, now everyone is starting to get nervous because of me. well, look, you have your problem. she lies on you, as if crushing with a brick. and you, from above, most likely, piled on yourself a sense of guilt for the fact that everyone

is nervous because of me, and this feeling of guilt amplifies your problem here, because you are already in the car. now everyone is going to get nervous. all because of me. i don't let everyone live normally. you begin to twist the nervous system. she's already stressed out. then the trigger surge happens. here's one. if you work with this feeling of guilt. i will now tell you how to lower it. or maybe even remove it altogether. so it can also happen, then, sitting in the car. you will be calmer and then you will have more chances to control, but at least your behavior is your state. well wait, well we're talking now with you only for some reason about the car. tell me about the subway. still, there are sections of the metro, or is it just a long-distance train, when the train accelerates strongly and i don’t know any bump, turn signal, it seems that

the speed is already very large and it starts to stagger. i can feel it right here, and i 'm getting scared. and suddenly go off the rails, something else. eh, even there. here is the section of the metro on the red line below, when the train accelerates, and it starts to wind strongly in different directions and i just don’t like to go there , i’ll do everything so that there are no living people there people you know are on fire. yes, there are no ancestors to bring up a sense of guilt, that's right. that is , you there should not worry at all that you cause inconvenience. for some people, it turns out, it seems, as it should not. and maybe yes, even worries yes sometimes. or maybe it’s not the inconvenience that worries me, but the fact that i ’m going crazy now, but how they look at me, how they think that i’m somehow wrong there, maybe that worries me. but once again, guilt is the top floor. there the problem itself is not separate, we are working. yes , but with this lower floor, the pressure is on us. yes, you can work only if we remove the top brick, uh, a feeling of guilt, it seems

to me that i only have in front of sasha precisely because i sit down and think, how can i hide my problems a little bit, drive calmly, and he will calm and i won't try it. if we can help you work it out. you will say that this is the result of our meeting, of course, yes. if not, he will tell you how to behave in this situation. it’s just, well, a little grinding down some kind of thing, when they just started eating right there together, and i’m on it there, these are bursts there, well, as if he did not notice them, well, he reacted normally. well, be quiet, then it will go there to adjust. then when i understood what i had done, these moments of requests, so to speak. i will get up even more there during situations of some kind. if i act, there, at her request there, nick, they don’t start there quickly there, so i won’t be able to keep up with road situations there. i started out a little bit more firm voice can reasoned

there i tell what's going on, why am i i do it, then already these so let's say i chose the preludes and just shouted. uh-huh well screaming you'll see because you had some kind of emotion. she kind of unfastened you and made you scream. no, i just remember there, the previous experience of such situations is that these explanations are here. there are long ones that lead to nothing, and then, well, i shouted and it seems like if it works, but it doesn’t solve problems, it probably solves the problem , it works in the moment okay well, it’s like with one second fire yes, they sewed it up. i would like to talk to you about setting the century. at i have a proposal plan. you are all at home.

the mother of my son, the premiere, watch after the program vremya our heroes alexander and anna came to joint requests anya is afraid of any transport. and alexander really wants to help his wife. so, back to the feeling of guilt towards alexander, it is based on your opinion that alexander is nervous about you because of the way you behave, this opinion is erroneous. it's not that alexander is nervous because of his beliefs related to the way you behave, but alexander's tension is now no offense will be said, exclusively selfish, not because of you. not you, the reason people get nervous is not because of the circumstances. and because they both think these circumstances, if we think

that what is happening now is just a misfortune, it should not be so. although in fact it already exists and we seem to live for years, then such thoughts will undoubtedly create tension even as your tension, when you get into the car and think that you should not show your peculiarity, can you show it? here, if you both think so, my wife may show such a feature that it may cause me, and some danger, maybe life in general is full of danger. so we do this from time to time. there, she will tell me, like, sasha is not gassed there. i yell at him. he says don't yell at me. i say, well, don't tell me that's what it says, i had to say it by saying, i need to shout, like, all of you recognized the reality. i need it like this, i can't do it any other way, but i can't do it any other way. so too you can but here is one of techniques, such as anger management. and now here you can shift it to

outbreak control, which means panic. yes, it's to plan an outbreak in advance, you know, i get into the car, and i tell myself directly, i'm definitely crazy. i'm definitely sasha, i'm definitely crazy. be ready. i myself am ready. sasha is ready , everyone is ready, they freaked out, yelled, we go on, we live for the fifth year, as we live, you understand, and no one feels guilt for anyone, uh, there. uh, sorry that this happened. it's always the first step to accept what is to accept it means take. here, take my folder. accept, you understand, and now i will accept from you, as if it is written in all the books that you must accept life as it is, as it is not written. and you took this and when you took it, you can do something with it, while you are talking, you can’t have a bad folder. she's something terrible here black ugly you will all suffer because of this folder. that's why it's always the first

step. yes, about this here is what to take your hands when in the picture she is driving, everything is fine there. yes? well, i'm going slowly. wait, you're driving yourself on the map. well, how then are these here who i understand, who is holding the wheel for me. and how did you get into such a picture. so you see, yes, it’s coming, how can everyone drive like everyone else, and i ’m quietly behind, just driving, i didn’t finish my studies because of covid, and now 3 years have passed. i'm not sure that i can even get behind the wheel in the city with an instructor. she traveled the playground. she passed. well, listen, look, then, this is also a request for control, maybe for control and when you and this is who traveled mountain by car mountain regions knows for sure that sometimes you go, it means over a cliff. you sit, there is someone

driving a car, you sit, and when you get behind the wheel, everything is fine. therefore, here is one of the already behavioral methods. well, try to finish your studies, and then you will have more control, more peace of mind. let's continue to think then, and in other areas of life. here is a request for control for such complete security is also present. i need to know exactly what time we will leave, where will we go? where are we going. this is what is important to work with. yes? once again, this is an idealization this control of the requirement that everything be planned, that it’s impossible in another way, that if we are late somewhere or we don’t do something from what is planned, then this is just a misfortune, that this nightmare with these convictions will working for the future is simple, yes, how to work with them is the same as with guilt. we take a certain belief, like the state depends on me. or i have to control everything and ask ourselves

one simple question. and these beliefs correspond to reality or not. here is sasha a person who never plans anything and always does everything spontaneously. something you plan to do something spontaneously so, yes. basically, probably, sasha just allows himself spontaneity with his usual planned routine. and you yourself, probably, do not allow spontaneity most often to eat. now i allow it, because at the beginning it was not difficult, but now i have more or less let go of the situation. so here's the same thing. plan first. you can use this again to plan for yourself an outbreak of this fear in the car with one side, because in the end, why are you so worried about her? because it’s not planned, it’s planned, because you decided that that’s it, this time i definitely didn’t freak out talking about myself. that's it, i have such a plan to freak out. and i would even bring children in a completely different way, for example. here you are on the red line. i understand quite often, well you found. no, well, often, well, it happens that you see, you know exactly the place where the belt

begins to accelerate. yes, with you - how many times has it already happened, well, five times for sure, that is you know that for the sixth time and for the seventh and eighth, that the same thing will happen, he will speed up, then what will happen to him yes, chat, and then to slow down to stop and you will safely be where you wanted, what now confused the word safely . yes, but it doesn’t help me with these thoughts, this distraction is that everything is fine. we always go here, we always get there. mm. nothing happened. never even an accident that was planned. you such thoughts help. if this disorder is in its early stages. now it's just important to understand what you have there, well, it's progressed. this is your feature and you are now at a deeper stage, if these thoughts do not help, then, well, certainly what will help you. this is the absence. according to criticism that i’m so bad that i

can’t cope with it all, you are already so in the future is unknown. maybe you can, and i kind of set you up to work with this and you, and the likelihood that you can fix it, at least, or maybe remove it completely, or certainly transfer it to the stage of long-term remissions. this it’s directly possible, here, but once again in order to do this, you need resources, do you burn in dissatisfaction with yourself or in guilt before your husband, or are you in fear that this will happen? i have a question from mikhail if anna will work on it. here is this overcontrol of other spheres of life. could this have a positive effect? you see this fear there, this fear is closely connected with such a deep value as the life of death. there, this is involved, and therefore, if we talk about the treatment of such cases, then at some stage of therapy readiness for death is necessarily worked out, and with death in our life today yes, in today's

prosperous society, people really do not like and are afraid to face it. right there 50 years ago, for example, a woman could give birth to seven children, of which half simply did not live to adulthood. and it was the rule that people were ready for such an abundance of death. and now here is the abundance of our panic. these experiences of stress and so on. this is all due to the fact that we live very well. and we are not ready deep down for death, as the normal part of life about death is a normal part of life, and the second we are not even ready for pain. because pain, as a result, leads to death, and hence this unpreparedness for pain, and then unpreparedness and even some discomfort leads to the fact that he is a nation you are born for, and give birth to children. if this discomfort has already

been dug deep for him, he sometimes went in and stands deep. they are on top, so here is such a story of readiness for death, an important part of life. and here, tell let's talk about it. a what does the readiness of death mean somehow ready? or maybe sasha has such ideas? no, by the way, it’s very called that a person says michael and really believes that they listen to the sea, this is such a rule for the civic, and our civilization is the score for life. that's right. yes, i remember death very deeply , in fact. this is a problem for you, as we have already found out, the roots have sprouted quite deeply, it must be rooted up. yes? it’s even deeply possible, another example, i must say, they rested at the sea last year, and there was such an effect after the assault, when the waves were big, which is cool for everyone to ride, there are both children and adults there, it’s cool there, there are little kids cool there were these situations. it is important exactly who you know exactly, no matter how cool. i was great. there everything is about himself and says, yes, about all of us.

well, i’m a boy there, well, i’m not a little boy , i know how to swim there, i always went there for a swim. there, not far from the coast, he knows that you can’t drag me there, i didn’t, obviously, didn’t drown, there, besides me, there are many more, of course, an assumption. come on and she's worth it on the shore so near some water next to it. you are worried. they call me to the beach. where is safe there? sasha come here, i say . you are healthy, no. i say it's not scary. yes, you say, it's not scary, you deny her fear. ugh fear. it is not an external state. it's internal. say no, it's not scary. it's not sick. you're all right, you, uh, let's go for a walk on temperature skis. no, no, let's go temperature. you may underestimate

you actually do it. it's just better to enter the reality in which you live, while you deny that feature. and anya herself denies it. i'm sure, i'm sure of it. here, but you can’t do anything about it, that is, in other words, in that situation. she couldn't help but be afraid, uh huh and the psychologists who say if you have some kind of phobia you have to go and look into your fear and do exactly that yes, but these psychologists. to be honest, i am ready to criticize mikhail khors. yes, let's leave him like this in another, therefore, if a person can meet his fear, dear colleagues, he will do it and without you. but if he came to you, this is already a fact that he cannot do this. this is a podcast

of the psyche, where i am a journalist natalya loseva and mikhail khors. we are looking for a way out of today's most difficult situations. a request came from a husband who says that his wife is afraid of public transport, but the formula works. don't be afraid with you. whether it works or not. we see that it does not seem to work. yes, absolutely or it works, when we flew together on an airplane. she missed me, right there hard i squeezed my hand very tightly , i never felt such hugs there. well, here, you see, everything is profit. it seems to be how we went through it there, yes, let's say there is the fact that she is holding her hand. everything is fine there about that incident on the plane with which she spoke. there , in the first situation, about braking. she made friends, she reassured herself in a different way, as she said, like that everything was normal there, he was more worried about it. and after the second and third entry there, he had this flash. there is a reserve

to work with this other issue, it is important not to demand from yourself that it pass like this once and for all. that's all, if you have been collecting this in your head for years, give me years to work it out from the bridge, there i jumped and a relative there at the age of nine, well , in short, a small child drowning there, who was drowning, saved me from the water. well, by the way, i would have moved it there in a series of these cases. all the same, there was fear, when you saved. i would go there too. this too is also face to face with the potential. well yes, me there was nothing left. how to decide. that's why you do it, firstly, it is also important to remember that you are solving these problems, just not as efficiently as you would like to anyway drive a car. anyway, somehow, if your situation is on the train, it’s not so good running. i've worked with cases where people can't even get down the subway, and you can progress, she's progressing again,

because there is criticism of this itself. this is history. this is because instead of treating this situation as you did, now first step. yeah, to this healing, you were trying to devalue it a little bit, like. well, now we'll talk. we will now agree on everything, and everything will be lay-la, as it was, everything will be fine. no, it won't, yes, because, uh, the virus doesn't know the bacteria there. it's okay, it's already there. yes, it is, it needs to be corrected already, but friends, what i see in this story is very interesting and vitally important. i see that you are a team and that anechka has a caring person nearby, perhaps sasha was wrong and did something wrong, but sasha is interested. anyway, you are no longer alone. yes? you already have such a powerful partner friend who will be the only support left to find a specialist. but it's unknown.

by the way, i don’t mean, again , to offend someone, but here is this story, when you helped another girl in a traumatic situation. yes, she is very remarkable. maybe the other way around. sasha is superfluous, neurotizing himself, and anya was not ratified either. this is also a specialist - he will say it and maybe, really, don't be surprised if he advises you, sasha is a page for such and such a time from this problem, therefore, once again, yes. ask how yes, well, that's about it already how to work. here, with this first level, there are books, there are this, well, just a little bit, just approach this without fanaticism and let different specialists work it out for ourselves. hypnosis is not hypnosis. e kpt. not kppt, pick up the keys to this door, but to pick up the keys to it. you must first move the cabinet that blocks this door and this cabinet is called. i am normal i have no problems or my wife is normal she has no problems. it just blows here as soon as this closet moves back to this keyhole. it is possible to select different keys.

let me imagine for sure for this time and maybe maybe sasha you accept this hypothesis. that taking a step back and saying something to anya it seems that i am with you when you need me, but please contact me, i am more of this problem of yours until i climb. if you need me, please tell me, yes, so that they do not feel loneliness and constantly here it is, uh, do not feel your tension. and maybe, an' how do you like this position, i don't know, it's necessary sample. yes here, i very much agree with this phrase that it is necessary to try better. yes , and see what happens and maybe, this is your tension will not. anya to neurotize, additionally, dear friends. it is important to draw some conclusions at the end of each psychological consultation. let's start with anna please tell me what was valuable, interesting and important for you . if it sounded, maybe you

will say, i already knew all this and in general, nonsense , in fact, the most important thing that i noted for myself now is to try. even maybe be. speak aloud before each trip that i'm sorry, i'll now scream nervous cry class, yes, that is , try it. this option is a confession to pronounce not in oneself to keep what is so now, perhaps there will be some situations. i will be nervous. we will try not to. and how to say something in jest. it is at the beginning to eat. maybe in jest. and maybe not a joke. yes, it is important to remember that what happens to you is not bad. just say it out loud, my outbursts, panics. there are bad of my outbreaks, panic attacks. eat badly. i'm not bad because of them, i'm not bad because of them. i just got sick. i just got sick. how do you feel about this? usually ok good. here is a comfortable state, yes, for a normal person, alexander, you took something important for yourself. i made sure

that my wife is special so super. and what i probably need is some way to distance myself. so far i don't understand how to do it. uh, so that she herself may find ways to solve her problem, and in the case when this is necessary. i will be coming to help her, yes, that is, you are also nearby, you all interact simply, and once again , we are less nervous. we are then when they think that what is happening is a disaster, but because a disaster is such an assessment, you know. it's all the end of the world. bad, trouble. horror these estimates are wrong. and we rely on reality when we compare events with each other, this is not as good as i would like, but it can be worse than that uh-huh and when we remind ourselves of this, that it can be worse in general. yes, we are better let's go there. but that's just the way it is now. here we have much more resources,

because the nervous system is not tense , we have more resources to do something with the situation that is happening to us now. thank you. and thank you, dear friends, for coming again, those who want to become darker are asking for help. well done friends. it was a podcast of the psyche, in which we traditionally searched for these very keys to cabinets, drawers and chests of drawers, which our souls lie our problems. sometimes you just need a little really move the furniture to see the secret exit doors. he will definitely be found. in any case , the clinical psychologist , ph.d. in psychology, mikhail khors, believes in this and suggests the right direction, what to move and what to look for friends in all issues of the podcast projects. you can look at the site of the first channel one tv point ru

hello, my name is dmitry bug. i am the host of a literary podcast called let them not talk, let them read, and i talk with my wonderful interlocutors about this sweet wonderful process, because reading in many ways allows us to live another life reading books. we observe landscapes, we see pictures of the past. we penetrate the secrets of strong characters. we meet wonderful people. in a word, read. it's fashionable cool wonderful. it is absolutely not an outdated way of life. this is life itself, so today we will talk wonderful. ah, our guests. this is a famous prose writer. e, sergey sherburgunov hello sergey. i am glad to welcome dmitry and we will talk today about the literary biography of sergei shergunov,

which is very diverse, er, attractively , we'll talk about that. how sergei made his debut at the very beginning of the 2000s, and we 'll talk about his prose books , biographical books. and finally, in the second part of our program, we will talk about sergei sherburgunov's current studies on journals about writers' organizations. but, a in the middle between the two parts. we, as always, will have a surprise at this time. i remind that i either read a poem or show some old book from his own library. let's see what will happen this time and i'm happy to start this conversation sergey , please tell us how it happened that you entered literature so early. well, not everyone will make their debut, if i remember correctly at 18 or at 19, how did it happen this is a family tradition. this is some kind of special

time that it turned out that very early began to write composed. fairy tales rewrote the books of life, because i was born in the family of a priest. and a passion for literature captured literally in the very early years, published domashniy magazine to kill you, at the very beginning they copied the lives and i would say, yes, and these are such half-baked lives in such homespun covers, e lives of the new martyrs of those who were forcibly put to death in the 20th century yes revolutions of the civil war and later in the thirties. so literature captured and began to publish his own magazine at the age of 10. in general, we are for the family, but in general it was distributed and even agreed with a neighbor who reprinted something. although mostly. i myself printed. yes, of course, and then this server

was copied and in general it went, what is called to the people, for example, mine is like that. the first debut in the official press for future state employees is ogonyok magazine, where my article was published there. first there was a text about me, and then some of my text, and just all this revolved around this magazine. this note was of the literary nature of the critical summer. there was an essay. i don't remember. it was dedicated to the fact that there is such a schoolboy who already publishes a magazine called freedom, listen how cool it is. this sacrificial public publication. these are legendary years. these are the years when vitaliy kortvich led the spark, yes, when he was resurrected in the spark, gumilyov in the eighty- sixth year, this is a little later, apparently, yes, in the early nineties, the ninetieth year, the ninetieth year. and you are the eightieth, that is, you are 10 years old, of course, i don’t even know, pushkin made his debut on 14 , we will not compare, and then, of course, a lot was written. uh, well, already being a student

at moscow university, he took his stories to the journal new world journalist faculty journalism. yes, aga journalism, and at the age of 19 he published there. i mean, you're like, uh, a professional writer. what a terrible combination of words. no, well, everyone writes, yes, it is known e clearly at 10-12 years old. e at 15:00, but not everyone enters the new world of 19 years. yes, for me it was an event and happiness, i remember we somehow hung out with classmates and uh, there was some kind of topic with getting into some kind of night club and i climbed over the fence and one of them screamed showing me. there climbs the author of the new world. and although others understood this publication was just to come, but this is acrylic and it seems to me that i myself spread this energy of the legend. that is, it was the legend of shargunov? well, cool, yes cool

to publish, it was inspiring and down with energy, then write big things, then apply for a debut award. i received it. well , in general, well, somehow i can’t imagine myself without writing, but at the same time i like this fever of debutantism. uh-huh, you always want to feel at the beginning of something to show, despite the fact that the family is enough there and mom and dad. oh, of course, literary history, because before becoming a lighting company he was a poet and therefore a translator in the family there were always a lot of hmm friends of writers. there, too, anastasia ivanov tsvetaeva, you can say that i was raised by my mother, the daughter of soviet writers , and at the same time among your relatives, gerasimov . well, you know, there, despite the fact that there are different

eminent ancestors? it is very important for me to feel my independence to remain myself and on the one hand, peering with love with tenderness with awe with an understanding of complexity, because sometimes ancestors opposed each other literally, dividing into red and white. i still feel like what is called a discoverer. well, it's also very important that you're not so much continuing the tradition. how much try to do something new so often happens, and the famous phrase of mikhail roma remember the two students who entered him, one did not know anything, and the other knew everything, both of them were geniuses, they were respectively vasily shukshin and andrei tarkovsky you know me close formula innovation in tradition. uh-huh that is, uh, on really important to feel. this channel has been laid before us, but i really want and it is very

important that everything that you think, say , do is not borrowed by the free. well, you mentioned the premium debut. this important institution of that time, the prize existed for quite a long time, probably a decade and a half. i can be a little wrong, but approximately, and uh, very many through it entered the literature and debut award. e, i have never had a relationship with them and i remember that it is interesting because those who have not yet participated in the competition knows whether they are writers or not. yes, i remember 400 kg of e-mail, which were stored in the first season. yes, i sent it myself. i remember how now in a yellow envelope my tale of love, baby, punished, baby punished, but you knew that in the description, unlike others , i didn’t think at all that i would win there were 40,000 thousand then. yes, it's a huge nomination for a huge lottery. now, in the example, the lyceum is occupying this niche, and still it is a very important mechanism for discovering young talents,

of course, the most important feeling, it is still personal. but hmm when you do some step to the reader and meet support. it seems to me that this is important especially at an early time, the baby is punished - what is this about? it's me, a man about love, uh, a young man of teenagers, who are being twisted and seductively emama is spinning. well , as you can see, the possibilities are very different. this is, in general, such a largely dramatic plot and earlier in many respects a confessional thing, which is still dear to me in general, probably. someone said that the basis of any literature is often an unfortunate broken heart or some kind of pain, as he said, tarkovsky pain. the older one is a wreck. now there is no happiness, therefore, it is very fashionable to exploit the theme of trauma. but even before

it became fashionable. uh, everyone has always understood that m-th experienced shapes writing. well, you know, the topic of trauma is a special one, of course, the topic is not close to me either. uh, well, here's a kind of violent feeling in this topic of the social element. that is, it is always some kind of projection of a personal, subtle , wonderful social phenomenon. this is such a point of view of the new socialism of socialism, it was supposed to show competitions social life of production, the guiding role of the party. and here, as usual, within the framework. eh, this canon arises, of course, but there are still speeches here, i insist i don’t know, yes. well, personal experience, here, and an attempt to scale it socially and generalize always goes into the line of artistic, this is no longer my business. but if i were a prose writer, i would probably think so, yes, because, well, in general, literature does not need to be driven into a procrustean bed. uh, and even when you have some kind of concept, because without it

no way then literature itself takes you beyond these wounds beyond these borders, because if the characters come to life, but they already behave somehow by their whimsical routes. pushkin said that tatyana cleaned the thing, yes, and got married. remember, it's wonderful. uh, wonderful now wrote a new book. and how many times do you write a chapter. you know the hero has to go there and refuse. it doesn't work out that way, and that's exactly the opposite, because, well, some kind of feeling of truth, probably, dictates a different plot right artistic. she is, of course, moral at the same time and cognitive, but here is a very important topic that you understood now very many. unfortunately they are straight forward. yes, what did i read about something good , did i become better, did i read about something bad, did it become worse? no, poems grow, but to the point of ignorance, yes, and literature changes a person, including through complexity and through evil. eh, so-

having read it sometimes. uh, poorly made such, but god has a sloppy christmas story. on the contrary, you can become a skeptic and lose faith in the whole world, but after reading a heavy e-tragic book. you can on actually become lighter, because it is deeper and you can’t speak straight. not everyone understands this either. uh, my favorite example is a soviet cartoon from the soviet era, where the teacher explains how to be modest, you have to do it this way, and then there is a modest one among you and they say, that is, you can’t pronounce it. i'm modest i should in this case and so therefore, with lavash possessing prose, but then you were not alone, but we choose. i like the genre of memoir, because i did not accidentally say about the heat of debutantism. i want to move all the time the worst thing is to stop and tell. so i was like this and sum up some kind of series, yes, each new book, like

the first uh-huh this is great. here's a little. recall those writers that you were fond of, who fascinated you, you will probably mention budor de limonov, and the figure is difficult to dispute, but this book of literature is from different conversations with very different people. uh, in life they might just not be on friendly terms at all. although all of them are connected in one way or another by a common past and e at about the same time. they came to literature and that's it they still went alone, that is, corks not only of lemons. this is not only limonov and not only. e yury vitalyevich mamleev, but this is also valentin yuryevich rasputin and evgeny aleksandrovich yevtushenko and fazil vylovych, skander you andrey georgievich bitov and many many others, and for me, of course, it is precious that i managed to communicate with

these people and in my own way look at them. well , if we talk about the same eduard limonov, well, at one time it was known that i gave my debut award all the money to him for a lawyer. in general hmm we were not lucky to communicate with him. uh, and for me it is, of course, uh, a very bright free, and above all an artist. for me, too, this is actually in a sense the next razumov's line in literature. that's because it's impossible to reduce it to something square and flat. still, that rozanov was doing this curtain. kn cab drivers, but i still had less and a practitioner also lived life on the air, yes, and broadcast it into his prose. hmm, i must say that i am preparing for the release of a new edition of the famous no not a new unknown book by edward romanov

e, before the death of rose or poetry, he wrote a collection of poems. these are the verses of a dying general stronger than anything e lemons in bitter defeat. e, and. in a sense, he even exploited this technique. uh, when out of the personal sphere around. uh, betrayal, cheating , departed wife, comrades, and it turned into excellent literature. after all, this is such a constant diary of a loser, and he could achieve a lot of semi-official social benefits, but unlike many, who? a-a imagines himself to be followers of successors. i wanted i don’t belong, but someone manifests this, he was absolutely not a conjuncture, he is also a complex figure devoid of conformity, he is scary, important for our literature, permanent here, and the book is excellent, because he is a wonderful poet,

and i hope that this one the book is unknown in the last poems of limonov, completely collected by him precisely as a collection. and it will be out soon. so what are we waiting for the book? well, let's talk. uh , now about, uh, one of your main books is this book. here i have it in my hands. this is one of her editions. this is a book called kataev the pursuit of eternal spring on a book about valentin petrovich kataev. how easy is it to guess the titles? what is the mystical connection with the hero? after all, the author can't just write someone's biography, maybe because he is uh hmm associated with youth magazine like you or not only this connection continues. yeah, because i became the editor-in-chief of youth after writing this book, maybe this, as it were, was the reason for them to come to youth magazine . well, i dreamed he went hand in hand, and then they called me from there and they say, listen, come well, by that time you had already written a book, yes, that is, it was such gratitude, i take it that way, well

, wonderful, and to say that for me this is a wonderful excellent stylist. eh, just a wonderful writer, and in literature , fiction is the most important thing for me, and i just enjoy reading kataev. blood and everything else. i wanted to unravel, or at least try to somehow comprehend his sharp plot life. uh-huh, red and white , he was almost shot in the basement of odessa chk, on the other hand hangs to spawn. this is a whole story for the development of literature. he constantly gave way to the young, without him there would not be many names in literature. how it all happened, and i want to say that this book continues because new new amazing documents are coming up. i think that there will be a reprint, because, for example, the protocols of interrogations, uh, were opened, and it turned out that at the same time when he was imprisoned. there,

waiting for execution, his friend eduard bagritsky poet was arrested, to whom kataev later in general, he gave him a ticket to literature, that is, he dragged him to moscow and began to drive him through magazines and made him a famous poet. well, in general, a lot of e important interesting things. uh, and here, no, yes, and in this book, too, i felt hmm things. i was just investigating. and there are many, uh, unique letters. and lesha we are deltas and many others. e, there evgeny petrov e brother this topic continues. an excellent writer, and this is the main thing for me, but this is also a man who gave life, by the way, to the generation of young twenty-year-olds who then came to youth is here. i want to trust his daughter evgenia, the same little girl from

the seven-flowered flower, who says that dad would be happy with the life of today. youth , this was already with his cat in his life later. here we are, our dear, tv viewers went through such a very wide circle, because sergey shovgunov was a guest, and sergey sherburgunov, we also talked about how a writer can and should write about personal will. that's what he perceives e in his creative retreat, and ended up talking about the writer who organizes e, process literary makes. eh, everything is a lot for others, this is sergey again, and with great pleasure, i thank you. e, sergei alexandrovich for this conversation and i am sure that we will meet with you more than once. thank you very much for your support. so our dear viewers. it was a literary podcast. uh,

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