how to understand how is it how it is from the inside? and then thank you so much, by the way, a. we haven’t mentioned anton pavlovich chekhov yet. yes , this is also a whole universe. i staged graduation performances with students. you are a student at a school-studio. you were the course leader as a teacher. yes very famous yes left twice . ivanov chekhov uh-huh and the guys managed a lesser-known play the fact that the guys managed in general, chekhov is very difficult, of course, for the young they are still green. well , you know, now we have uncle vanya new premiere at the art theater named after chekhov and they are not chekhov yes and uh, hmm we gathered for the first reading came from the director to be. well, let's read the fields. for the first time everyone saw each other and began to read.

and you know, at this reading, i was suddenly absolutely surprised in an incredible way by how relevant it is, as if chekhov is our contemporary, ours, and this is how it happens to be a classic. do you understand? i still think, maybe i'm wrong, of course, the greatest pushkin e. and dostoevsky but in chekhov it begins which is our modernity. in the truest sense, without any discount without distance. this is a person who speaks to us in our language right to kill wrote correctly. nemirovich danchenko chekhov that give us tea, tea, tea, please. chekhov did not want to fail petersburg failed. yes, give us, please, because i feel that the modern theater is new new. in the theater, the new

theater cannot be born without your plays, but it is so true, because eh is unspeakable. she is generally who i ask the students. they answer. i am a seagull a seagull is an amazing phrase. it is not clear what kind of person is in each person. the secret of a big little one is that what we see now, well, i can’t help but say that in our museum, in the state museum of the history of russian literature named after vladimir ivanovich dal , it was recently opened after restoration chekhov's house on sadovy kudrinskaya. i know that once you considered this place yours, and i spoke there and more than once read chekhov there as a smerchinovnik. it's a wonderful room. here on the second floor, and now this one has been preserved there. hall has been preserved. here is an amazing story. i am directly inviting you on the air to come to chekhov's house, both as a visitor and, of course,

as an executor. yeah, with the pleasure of an artist here, we will be terribly terribly happy, because, of course, avangard nikolayevich, every second of communication with you is happiness, because talking with you. eh , you involuntarily join what is considered to be a classic, but it is not always customary to talk about it, it is not always convenient to talk about it, as if saying, well, shakespeare is great. yes, like kharms, pushkin is great, uh, and okay, when is it everything will end, in my opinion, chekhov is all over here and it is not customary to talk about it. and it works with you. eh, it’s not for nothing that our , uh, podcast is called. let them talk, let them read. of course, we spoke with you, but we spoke primarily so that everyone who hears and sees us, uh, would read literature more and love it, as she says nikolaevich leontiev, people's artist of russia , is our today's guest. thank you very much thank you for the conversations, which is very

interesting. thank you, i am sure that we are with you more than once. see you, all the best. thank you this is a podcast of letters, i have a guest artist yulia rutbyk, and we will talk today about ana andreevna akhmatova, you had to play twice, she andreevna. here's how you can prepare, for example, for the role of such a person as anna andreevna, this information helped you, which you read about her there , i think that you turned over so much literature or it turned out to be not so important as a result, maybe it interfered, on the contrary. well, you know, i went this way, but in a non-standard way, so i, uh, it was it must have been there 15 years ago. i was even thinner, and i, uh, i always knew the portrait, altman.

yes, yes, it is andreevna and, uh, there is my personal point of intersection with her, as i say, even i was 16 years old. i was asked questions about the portrait. which artist you look like in the forest said that in general it is very similar to dad , but i have a deliny face and an altman’s body, when i saw this portrait, i asked them to sew me, and exactly the same dress as hers, a on the portrait of altman they made exactly the same black wig with bangs, and so that i filmed in profile, i explained to them. i say , you understand, this is the geometry of the image, because it is impossible to play andreevna about her, you can only remind me, but according to my data. they can be recalled precisely because of the geometry. and now, when everything means, it was very much laughed at by the operator very much. anyway, it was very difficult. do not to scale. and what

a blessing that there was no such idiotic classic grim when there is a hell of carnation, in general, when you approach such a person, when you go towards carnation, and they won't let you in. they are women as flexible as andreevna was all the time when she was. skinny , she was incredibly lithe when they first landed stray dogs. so, here they all went on stage and came up with some kind of epic things. uh, some make-up and costumes, and anna andreevna, uh, shocked everyone by the fact that she really was gutta-percha. and that reading his poems on stage stray dogs. could she stand on the bridge or walk the wheel? from what we deltazh there just went crazy, she could, for example, sitting on a chair somehow drain from this chair, and climb through this very chair and return back this is incredibly common and how to develop a contrast. here is the same, when you see a person

in volume, when she was old, and now she had a sick heart and such fullness came, not mental. once we were at lucy chernovskaya, and the youth section there was some kind of evening dedicated, in my opinion. nastya vertinskaya was rustam khamdamov, we got into a conversation with him. and here is what i did program about akhmatova told them a story that when in the fourth year the first approach to akhmatova was just my thesis. these are rivers and makhmutov a few more poems. i ran. i was told that the record was thrown out in the melody. and how elderly akhmatova's poems are read yes, and i'm at the director's feet, i just knelt down. i'm talking to beg. here i am with rivers. give me this record. i ask you, and he told me from under the floor. he didn't even take money from me, but if you are engaged, take it, i ran home. inserted into the player and suddenly i hear such sounds rested. i think bor

me now more plate is not up to speed. and then i check everything and again i feel, and i have such eyes, because i just said, yes. and it was on the ancient one and when rustam khamdamov heard. he said, i beg you, read akhmatova like this, i beg you, read it like that. where do i say that yes, yes, i acted and read, but do you remember there was such a blue collection, yes, from hand to hand, in principle, he is still alive to me. of course not. i read akhmat years later the homeleophist said that anya, not only in life, but also in poetry, constantly complained of a knife, delirium , shortness of breath, insomnia. and even the infantry. although

she was distinguished by enviable health and appetites , she swam like a fish and slept, as a term, she had everything about what others. gumilyov said only dreams, but she spent whole days lying on the sofa, there her father sighing, she always managed to yearn and grieve and feel unhappy. i always returned to her cheerfully and festively with pleasure. coming home. i shouted at the established ritual geese, and if she was in a good mood , which happened very rarely, she answered loudly and swans, or just we and i, without taking off our coats, ran to her, and we began to run and chase each other. hear a prayer. how could one prophesy such a thing, but one could say it out loud. especially about the son. you just said that a fundamental thing is very important, because those who begin to study akhmatova and are faced with the fact that she herself was a seer of youth, an oracle did not give her any nicknames half-nuns, half-harlots, by the way, too, but

she called her future tragedy. she just now understand one to one, as it happened. do you remember, yes, in prison , pray for me? well, yes, that's how it was. and i want to tell you that it's very scary, because how you encounter it. you understand that she was a co-creator of her own destiny, as the surname begins and the origin legends begin. ah, the ukrainian surname is a blade, of course, and it’s absolutely invented , not entirely invented, but she explains that no, horde alias, which she chose for herself. which means it was. eh, who do you read yes akhmatova akhmatova akhmatova, yes, in the very name in the life of the divine oh admiration, yes, so. it was the surname of her grandmother, a tatar, and from a timbered family. they say that no, that she was approved, but we have as an ugly artist. so she has

gypsies in her family, you know, or poles. e, we, too, this is also our entire envelope. legends, no one will say the last khan of the golden horde, a descendant of gengistan himself, an absolute lie. this is you know, you know that's just the same to be, uh, in relation to this issue. tell me, please, it really bothers me to know the life history of the biography of the great poets. i don't want to know about akhmatova's lovers, about her relationship with nikolai gumilyov's son. i don’t want it directly interferes with you , i just can’t, because these, as it’s not just necessary, everything is built on this, because with gumil. it was some absolutely fantastic union of two geniuses, and the way he treated her. it was 14-15 people, yes, and then he didn’t, because,

when she demanded that uh they showed up with flowers, yes, uh, and she demanded. to be called a poet and only a poet and the first person to call her a poet. it was gumilyov, and they were not everyday, all their relationships, in general life in life. she never had andrew mythology. it is mythological or some kind they died. you just know, yes, that already at the age of anna andreevna there was such a suitcase, and he knows the alarming suitcase. yes, where did she have all her hands and say that she was very afraid, and she wrote, you know, yes, poems on scraps of paper gave forgiveness already burned them. and now, look, there is, uh, anyway, she was recognized not even that she was nominated for the nobel prize. and she and the authorities recognized her, they gave her a house in the writer's. uh, mosquitoes. yes, everything was fine with her in komarov. but here she was roaming this disturbing suitcase. she lived with the ardovs, then

she lived with someone else's friends. uh, dressed very poor. it can be said simply. available, but she had money, she received royalties from these fees. she alexey batalova bought a car, for example, explain to me, here's what it is. it’s such a, well, such a game in blessed, or she was blessed, or that very life, uh, with which she did not want to come into contact, or it was such a bright living, because if she lived beautifully in her country house, breakfasts. well, and so on. yes, salon receptions, she was not a wife . so, you can imagine that from the youth of a woman, living her life, and she was born at the end of the 19th century, in fact , during the reign of nicholas and lived to khrushchev. the thaw means she's endured in her life two revolutions a civil war, and

world war i world war ii repression, the second. complete oblivion and incredible reverence, so, when an incredible reverence arose, genetic experience, and the whole life lived were such that she was always ready for only one you understand, when is the parable the hole of your life, yes, and when is it in crosses and when with your son and the first time, how to say it was possible to return him, and he gets the second time after gumilyov, whom larisa paradise tried to save, and how to say, when they put him against the wall, they asked, who is the poet here, gumilyov. he came out and said, i am a poet, gumilyov. he says free. he turned to the people who were standing nearby and said, not here, this one has an officer here, gumilyov was shot along with everyone else, please tell me, but this is the attitude. you are the mother of your son. and you're an artist too, don't you

work as a cook or an engineer? yes, at the factory, well, that is, nature is still this exaltation. yes, this selfishness, yes, all the time you need to devote a lot of time to yourself, but it doesn’t fit in my head when she came out married full. he treated her son very badly, the boy slept in the hallway in an unheated room in general. and we practically deprived him of food, for example, he said a lot of cream, only for my daughter my son was sitting next to him. she swallowed it all. is that what you did? well, well, i, well, how is it? well, as for me, it doesn’t communicate at all in my head like that, because the oil is too much. and the fact that he was with his grandmother until the tenth grade, and then a smart boy arrived. i was a fountain house. you describe the fountain of the house to him the place was only a checkpoint on the chest. there were some very strange relationships there. but you understand, in fact, it seems to me that in general, she was

characterized by self-love for the most part . thank you yes, i she loved herself more than anyone in the world. she accepted the offering. she accepted the offering with the exception of only one moment when she stood in crosses. and that's what happened these two years. it was her ascent to calvary when she became an earthling. i would say so and went this way, because otherwise she could not do otherwise. she could not all served her in the evacuation ranevskaya went for firewood, she also reclined somewhere, you understand, she was not for that. eh, i was brought into this world not for this separately, talent, separately personally. she would, therefore, you understand, she was a poet and a son, and in general it is good that there is a son. it's just for youth. it seems to me that further it would be all

she was in we will be under a hood, here in this room, she lay on this sofa, they brought food to her, there was no food, she did not eat, but still they said later, like we have didn't eat. she is andreevna, you understand. she was in some fantastic character , besides being anechka gorenko herself, she was very special, you know, there were always only disputes around her. here we are now arguing about the hypostasis of the mother, and around her there is a myth that she was a fatal beauty. for someone. she really was a fatal beauty, because both men and women could not help but pay attention to her. for some, she was a humpbacked woman. and for some, it’s just not a greek statue at all come up, you understand, therefore in her life there was no middle ground, everything was never either without or there was a lack of people. i know, but somehow children. i think it's a completely uh, separate relationship. and they did not reconcile like that, and before his death , the son did not want to, because i have one letter, my dear. mom,

alexandra mikhailovich pereslegin will give you this letter. this is my best friend for me a holiday, when he comes, we talk about history and operators, i'm healthy, but since i don't like arithmetic, it's very interesting, then come to me the teachers go. we do tasks. my comrades and i are organizing a trading company, but trading is only a subsidiary occupation of the farm and museums. i envy the museum. we have a museum of natural history, we collect insect stones , fish skeletons and leaves. i'm into indians. and we created a tribe of four people, in which i stand as a sorcerer, and i cured the leader and aunt shura we arrange an indian war with soldiers i eat every 2 hours, as the doctor ordered, please come to easter your lyova well, of course, that's me i read. well, uh, leva, up to a certain point, belonged to she, like mom and mom, was missing, because, well, my grandmother lived with her grandmother, she loved him

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, and she had a romance there on wood. they have always had an open marriage. and what did gumilyov himself do, my god, in all his trips, yes, and not in response. so there was still time. it was a time when it was absolutely encouraged. well, not that amazed, but no one did to anyone, there was no free monogami remark. exactly for example, the life of three. here she was married. yes, he lived with his wife. yes, this is perceived as wild. i generally, when the first time said with a fountain house. they began to tell and show me all this, everything was wild, how people exist. here is my daughter's family. here they are all right. this is where poetry is written. there are scientific works here and everyone is proud of everything, but in fact, inside the house, this crazy housekeeper, who then, uh, tell yourself half the house, they also had a house helper. well, with the gum, uh no , when she lived sleeping and then, when they took away the puenas. she raised, she had an ancient separate

room, and they took it for themselves. e part of the living space. i mean , something incredible happened there. and you speak in oblivion. well, here it is, this very way of life, but she andreevna, as she lay in her room, so she lay with her. after all, no one showed up. uh, claims, they worshiped putin's wife and her daughter. it was a sacred monster. understand? what's happened? well i want you say that akhmatova exists. eh, poems that few people know. for example. uh, she has a parasitic creation. i don't believe in phones for a long time. i do not believe in the telegraph, i have all my own laws and be. maybe a wild temper. but i can dream of everyone and i don’t need to fly to that one, so that anywhere i find myself conquering any height. it seems to me that this is a pure heartfelt confession of genius.

yes, she was right here with mysticism on you and all of her, uh, young creativity is shrouded in mysticism and her whole life, and where the heroes are, yes, and even that e. well, then check it out. you know , no, some things, but she inspired those around her that she was such a witch. yes, allo sergeevna demidova made an incredible contribution. e into literature, because she published a three-volume book and one of the books is devoted to the way of deciphering a poem without a hero in a quatrain. and who is there, who is this system of mirrors and that's it, because when i started to read a poem without a hero, i'll tell you honestly. it seemed to me that this man wrote in a madhouse that it was schizophrenia, and there because uh one uh, the image is two people. who was it? it's clear. you know how to say it. and when this one is without a hero, you read well , that is, my departure began, and here alesya

sergeevna each quatrain she wrote about someone about whom under what circumstances? what year it was where can you imagine it was very interesting for me, but uh, how do you say? and here she is andreevna too, please, to you. let me hide everything my full age skin color faith even birthday. and in general, everything that can be hidden. you can't hide the lack of talent and something more, and hide the rest in good health, you know, the criterion of people who were nearby , the criterion of who she wanted to communicate with allowed. it was talent, talented people. she forgave, she allowed, you know, of course, i was aware of my genius from

adolescence. yes, she was a special girl. she behaved like that, but i want to tell you that and when you read poetry, and in general, andreevna, they never go to her for joy. ono andreevna is considered an expert on breakup costs. you only understand and they began to accuse her, but of the fact that she has this decadent. yeah, uh, decadent. hmm. that's the kind of mentality i had. she understands everything about normal relationships. this does not suit her. because she needed hyperboles, parabolas and passions. and this is it. but when the whole happy life is purely passion prose. yes, she kept talking about the fact that everyone was beating her , that they were being treated with belts, by the way, she accused gumilyov of beating her, she wrote about this lace belt. she didn't blame. i just wrote this poem those around gomilev were accused of being known as a sadist. he whips her. uh, patterned, two

folded belt. and at the same time in a tailcoat and in cylinders. frag says. i didn’t have a top hat at all then, yes i was, yes, but he says i was known as a sadist. and not only that , she managed to write that he whips not only her, but his fans while undressing them caught up. yes, but the harness of the next one, she did not make excuses and attributed it to dante's hobby, as they say, yes, but she had two lasting loves. she is andreevna herself she worshiped all her life it was alexander sergeevich pushkin and dante. she was delighted with the act of mandelstam who learned italian in order to read dante alighieri in the original. listen, some humanoids are completely different, they say, and how when i, too, i know so many facts from the biography and it’s even embarrassing for me to pronounce them now and pass them no. what we have left is not the great ones left. they are coming poems and mandelstam was good. yes, you are right that sometimes you really don’t want to know about such people. uh,

everyday details, but i want to tell you that when i read it, i also had a huge program for the anniversary of mandelstam, uh, varlam's slut read it. uh-huh and when these two people met in the camps and mandelshtants. he didn’t understand anything at all, and he described the death of mandelstam and then about him in general, because when he ended up in the infirmary, this is an amazing doctor who tried to save mandelstam. she saved, then a slut. here it is, of course. that there was an eyewitness and, uh, a writer of this magnitude, yes, because climbing mandelstam's debts are such a pain. it's such a physical pain just for me, because i even managed to be near the attic. when you start to do something , you start to be dragged, and the hell is after the cherry is somewhere else, in my opinion, 100 km and just the taiga is even expensive. no. he

jumped off the balcony there. the first time after which he was in voronezh and in voronezh i went all the way mandelstam was in all the apartments where he lived and that's it and they took me to the bridge. that's what imaginative thinking is. he every day there was a house, where they had an akhmataya with the hope that there is such a lowland, and then a bridge and trains just go, and he looked at these rails. these were veins and aortas for him, and he looked at these veins and the hordes that lead to the well of moscow and understood that never. he won't be there, and every night he went to watch the trains going there through those veins. you see, at the same time, being in such a position, a person describes it like this, and you know that i remembered mandelstam, i taught gumilev's lion, and the phrase my father is a poet mother is hysterical and andreevna did not offend this. no way. on the contrary, she laughed and asked her

to repeat, when the guests gathered. uh, well, because uh, even the most of them had a special relationship in general, and after all, she singled out four people from herself, like that. yes, and she singled out pasternak mandelstam of the color of him and herself and, in an amazing way, so look who she chose all the human archetypes of mandelstam melancholic. pasternak with anguinea. his holy galleria. akhmatov's mother noticed this. well done, of course, phlegmatic. amazing fate and so long. she lived. yes, she was such a gasser a little, she saw so much, she had a funny poem after it was completely stopped printing. she wrote one poem, dunya went out onto the balcony. and behind her all the cheese in the people's commissar stopped and said, perhaps this is my height. yes, and more , as they say, after the 40s

, there is no such thing on this topic at all. well, how did she write this water, when the lion was released. yeah, yeah, but basically, uh, that was the only thing she did. and when she was told something there, that, and we will not forgive you. but i forgive you, yes, she said, and who are you to forgive me or not to forgive, you stood at christ's you saw her explanation. why she did it was a requiem you understand and an intro crack because i have a recollection of faina raevskaya. i just can’t help but remember how the punen relatives rushed to her after the decision in the house, ran away, she was silent, and i didn’t know what to say to her either. she lay with her eyes closed, her lips grew darker, then turned white. the face became purple, red, and immediately turned white. i wanted to feed her in the house there was nothing to eat. i rushed to the store to buy something, if she refused, we were both silent.

yes, well, as in general, when everything is perceived, of course, just to some extent multiplied by a million. yes, the fact that they stopped printing her, it was death for her, a noose that was excluded from yes, and they had a parasitic relationship with ranevskaya. so they , uh, adored pushkin. but if she andreevna bowed. yeah, just turned on pushkin, yes, yes, she slept with him, she read, she was jealous, she was jealous. yes, that's very funny that once. uh, she called faina georgievna andreevna in moscow why early in the morning, and the vaengurumi picked up the phone and hears the voice of akhmatova fufa. i have one night dreamed of pushkin, a three-second pause, the answer to ranevskaya food. there was such love, yes, well, you see what i’m talking to you about now, someone will call me today from leningrad or yekaterinburg or from

anywhere and tell me today i’ll dream of pushkin , i’ll say food, you know? it's the same blood understand? you are the same crazy devotion, so you can’t judge, artistes, you can’t judge. no, in general, people have something to live with. well guys, live each one of your life. that's how you draw from there, you understand? it's not crazy. here's how crazy it is. this is your power source - this is your battery, so the heart tears its soul it has no improvised e materials due to which it can do this this year i have only one battery i am happy that this is happening now this year 150 years of sergei vasilyevich rachmaninov and i made a huge program with the rachmaninoff offering orchestra and now we will play. we have already played with samara togliatti, moscow and all the shell cities, even in ivanovka we will do it for me at all. you step. uh, what can you play in ivanovka, where does he come from, where does all this

music come from? listen well, you are no longer a sample. i have a life, but always be secondary, because you need to help. it is necessary to solve problems and family and children and grandchildren. well, how can i say, we are all trying to participate in this, but for me, too . hmm, nature, and my happiness, my nature regeneration. this is a value. these are great people with whom you can talk, from whom you can get such a dose of thought energy , the desire to live on, sometimes the desire to live. contrary to uh, it doesn’t happen that all the genius is gone, leaving energy messages. you listen to rachmaninov's music and something incredible happens to you or tchaikovsky you hear or read akhmatova's poetry and something incredible happens to you. you read tsvetaeva's poems and sometimes you also want to. and you understand,

it’s scary to lock yourself up from everyone somewhere. i recently read a very interesting book, and her son amur is just a huge book about him, very interesting and very understandable. many things have become, in general, er, the path to the noose of marina ivanovna herself, it is impossible to judge people by understanding some impressions. when i was in my first year a very long time ago, i was not allowed to read about maria ivanovna, where her son appeared. i saw his photo. i'll be like this, say, i would hate. i just hated him. i realized that this person is the source of marina's death, but today psychologists would be all, a you were told why and how from birth, but you know, psychologists can explain what a-a understand more and their uh. well, children, children, children sit, yes, you understand, uh, just like san andreevna you can’t sit.