i don’t expect anything from a child, that’s how it works for you. yes? i’ll also say here that we have, for example, within the framework of our family financial plan. yes, right now the goals of educating children are the financial goals of educating children, on which we directly save up a specific amount of money and it is not there. yes, that is, my husband and i are discussing this, that is, we understand that something will happen there. and how many older seniors are 12 and nine. well, there is some funding from endowment life insurance, which may go for education, that is, money. basically, there is. well, let's just say clearly that this is the goal. we don't have such a goal. why not? because we can't really tell. and what will be there? that's what they kind of want, i 'll tell you from my own experience, i wonder if there's a wind in my head about choosing up to 17 years. i had it there. yes, he had a tough situation there at the time. it would be gone. so there were only six universities and where they took the army, so i where will i go, but since this

physics, then the best university was chosen there, well, thank god they had enough brains to enter there. here in this case, that is, it happened to me , i can say there, well, both of them are there, here are the elder daughters. uh, such a situation that now uh daughter, who is 18 she entered there, i think that this is one of the best universities , strange, but it turned out that this university is no longer a cake. as you know, that would have been no, cardinally there, that was a mistake. well, here, i can count. sure, not a problem. yes, of course you can, that's fine. the main thing is that not after 7 years. there was a profession of a doctor, yes, and all that in half a year is not only that the quality of education is far from those ideals of standards that were drawn for themselves. so the profession itself turned out to be the same thing. well, so, unfortunately, it's in my husband and i with those coordinates, we don't really want to be dogmatic. yes, in this sense of the child and unfortunately, there is no such thing that, well, that's it. 18 now i am making the tenth decision.

here remained. this, unfortunately, doesn't work. as practice shows. yes , even my range. yes age we understand that everything is changing so much that you constantly need to retrain yourself there to get something somewhere, therefore, well, i just have several children of my daughter's classmates there. well, how did you advise? yes, she helped me choose. here, there are several rules by which you should choose a university, the first most important rule. i don’t need to treat this as a matter of my whole life forever and so on. i say, you have already figured out what will be the first education that you will receive, because the fact that it will be another education, like minimum. there in the format of the most training. it 's almost a 100% chance. here and further, when i talk about how to choose a university, i say that, for example, you draw a circle for yourself yes, that's about what i want to do, yes the faculty, there are not 20. yes there, but four or five. again you choose, there

and then the first is the first thing that he can and you look at how the information is presented, because no matter what anyone says about it, well, this is all nonsense. here we have here this whole promotion site looks like a kolkhoz site under repair nineties, but in fact, we have nothing like that. here, as the information provided, so is the learning process. this is how it all works and so on. and the second i say the moment you read these texts all very carefully. and at least you don't get sick of what you read, because this set of words is these combinations of words. you will hear at least 4 years very often here are two criteria. the first is how the information is presented. this is what people have in the head of teachers? yes , so here it is for you what with the life hack when you will you choose? well, it must be done. children, it's not you who should do it for them here, rather, such a skill, including analyzes of information from critical thinking, in general, the world of perception. this is what manifests itself, but it doesn’t seem to manifest itself right away, and in adults, many people don’t immediately manifest a skill. well, that is, which here is straight to coach in my opinion. well

, to summarize our conversation, we can say that everything is in our hands, that we raise children in this way. ah, how we wish we could they belonged to us in the future, but it is impossible to ask children to make them do something only by their own example of attitude towards the older generation. we can show you how to treat. well, what do you think, or rather, right? as you know, there is such a rule here. here it is in our family. like this. yes, if the child grows up, if you manage to educate, you are consent and these are habits, and you would count and save and you would invest. this is already the pinnacle of financial planning, so to speak, then i think the fruits they will not force themselves including and just even there is not necessarily there uh, parents must be poor old age. well, you just see that your child is happy, that he doesn't need what he found. uh, it's to your liking and it's about managing money,

don't litter. you are this. we are also worth a lot. it's already calm. thank you very much anna thank you, very interesting conversation. thank you this podcast is a must read. i'm aglaya for batnikova. director, writer. today i am visiting. kirill shamanov, writer art critic, artist we're going to talk about william birch and his junkie novel. hello cyril, hello. this 60-year-old guy from an educated and fairly wealthy family studied at harvard, studied medicine in europe, and then chose this path. uh, let's just say to sink to the bottom and go through, in general , addiction to illegal drugs, and

he describes this experience in his books and quite unexpectedly becomes classics of american literature. one of the leaders of the kennel movement, including the holdingsberg chuck kirak and in general, what can we say both rose did he become a pioneer, but because we know that irwin welsh, er. from transporting hunter thompson to las vegas with fear and loathing, all they can say has been following in his footsteps. well, for american literature, probably, yes, but we also know there is russian literature, english literature, and in russian literature we know bulgakov's morphine, uh, in english literature. this is a de quincey novel. uh, another 1,800. there are some tenth years, that is, yes, if we talk, like this chronologically, like who was the first in this whole autofiction.

uh, such is the literature about addiction, uh, then, probably, this is still a devent, but speaking about the generation of beatniks they talk about berouz, and his books and his style of description, then, of course, for modern literature for modern society. he probably really somehow managed to give it. yes, as it were, it became clear there, well, a huge mass of people, there his popularity testifies to this. and the writers of the beatniks, they generally, well, let's say, how they differ. that is why they are called beatniks. let's talk a little about this cultural context. well, we are talking about the end of the forties, the very beginning of the fifties . uh, this is the american post-war generation. that is, it is the rise of the american economy. at the same time, in general, the rather poor

state of american culture. eh, at that moment there was a need. uh, somehow make her dominant in the world. there buying american you buy the best american culture. they are many. these are the directions of many artists were taken to during the war of modern and created just such a, as it were, plast e, literary including here e, that is, you can talk about it as such a political technology project, but like in any project with culture, something gets in and always talented and indeed, as if here are a few authors for me. such here and there. why do we say all these? so jan is fiction? let's call it literature. why is it written primarily in the first person? this experience, it must be lived, as it were, and it is interesting precisely as an inner experience, first of all. it seems to me so, and precisely due to the fact that this inner experience is in the form of such a step-by-step diary of some often

poorly structured text. but it's like it's always there. here, as it were, the beginning, how a person began. there is some kind of abstract psychedelic period of this consumption of chaos and the subsequent, as it were, what came of it all. that is, well, it usually turns out that it’s bad when the grave usually leaves, but in some cases, we suddenly come across the fact that such an addiction managed to somehow rethink this experience and even made some kind of novel. you have experience, you have two books written about similar experiences too. tell me what this rethinking gave you when you went through this literature. i went to study all these twelve-step programs, and there is a rather significant layer there, these are diaries, uh, feelings there, uh. well, it's an inventory of memory, an inventory of the psyche. there are blocks of their own. that is, you simply remember some people in situations that

hurt you there or no longer hurt you. which they were delivered to you and they were described in detail there according to certain methods in order to understand. in general, someone in this situation did something wrong, what is the situation and when you have been doing this for years, you have such a habit, no matter how well, through yes, through what written -that. yes, they make some decisions through written analytics, that is, well, then i noticed that some characters, here, whom i describe, i remember or situations, but they are so interesting that there is no way to write them in these boring tables, that something is needed there - then more literature. yes, i need a story, at least i need a story, i started writing the first few short stories and then somehow all of a sudden it all came together, there was a book a few years later, and it suddenly even became some kind of big bestseller. well, let's get back to burrows, and burrows began to write after he got out of addiction. yes, that is, he having gone through this yes review of his experience. it turns out formed. e yourself as a person.

we can say that, we can say that, but we're talking about romance junk. we are speaking, i just directly suspect that in this revision, that is, e, he did not stop being addicted and wrote a junk novel, but he began to work with his addiction and as a result wrote through the result. yes , this novel, and in which he is clearly expressed there, he has his thoughts, his own experiences , clearly there. well, put it on paper, and what is this novel about? i mean, uh, let's talk a little bit about all these autofiction er addiction novels, and they are to a certain extent, maybe to a major extent, na actually have freedom and about the loneliness of a person, that is, about hmm, that's about, yes, dependence. yes, there are all these adventures , but uh, that is, this bottom of life , let's say american. yes, there are all these channels, but they are actually pretty, yes,

like ours. eh, my beloved pale one sings all my stories, in principle, are similar, that is, uh, all these novels, they really are. well, there's some man he's addicted to. he's the one there. well, it's more or less clear, but this is the moment of what he understands. this that he is addicted. there, he feels his own , as it were, this slavelike one, as if before some kind of drug for life. yes, that is. and that's what it was. eh, yes, to the analysis , that is, to lay it out on paper, how it tries to sort it out somehow consistently, because drug addicts are some kind of addicted people. they are often unable to think three sentences in a row in one pipeline. he has to write down, that is, yes, that is, it's literally literally. here it collects the letter. uh, brains like this, yes, that is, for work with all these dependencies. here are the texts of the letter - this is one of the most powerful practices , these are these analyzes and so on. but

it seems to you that life is a birch, that it is tragic, because, for example, i see that he is incredibly lucky, first of all, despite his abuses. he lived to the age of 83 and died. a heart attack that yes rather unexpected survived even his own son, and then he never went to jail. although in america these years. well, it's actually in the books. yes, this is prosecuted by the law, everyone was sitting everyone sat in prison, well birch hut. prisons ah and the most interesting thing is that he killed his wife. that is, it was accidental through negligence, but how to see whether it was accidental or not, because he had a quarrel with her in front of friends. she humiliated him by saying that he was a bad hunter. he does not know how to shoot, and he decided to prove that he knows how to shoot . that is, he killed his own wife, but uh, thanks to his rich family, oh, which i

already mentioned he managed to escape. uh, punishment and maybe morally he was going through, it's because he talked about what experience made him write or what, he began to write precisely after this event that he experienced, but nonetheless. we can say that the person, uh, did not bear almost any responsibility. and even his literary experience. and now it becomes a classic. he becomes famous. that is, even at six. that year, a massachusetts court ruled that his book naked lunch was a work of literature, and not something at all. obscene, because the book was banned at one time, er, but at the trial she was acquitted for him, they entered from er. norman mailer. alan gisberg. john chardy. this is a beatnik writer. they acted in defense, in general, of their comrade. but you can also say a rival. you

understand that there is no literature. yes, such close friends are more like competition. well, that's what they all said. i read the minutes of the court, everyone said that this is a unique piece of work, a unique artistic method. oh, and american society. let's say not can do without uh, this look without this language, which i presented to beru, that is. in general, whether he is lucky or not, you know, here i am, as an artist, after all. yes, that is, uh, i experimented a lot with different media yes, this is called art techniques, that is, electronic modern art and some kind of theater and painting, yes, and painting, whatever. and when i started writing lyrics. that's actually, somehow i began to realize myself. how exactly is the lyricist? i understood this moment that literature is, well, let's say from the point of view of the creative media yes, that is, from the point of view of the creative material, this is the only

practically absolute method of freedom, as it were. that is, according to the classics, it does not require money to create, there is only you and in fact. yes , secondly, nothing can happen at all. that is, i can now go climb up from the ceiling on foot to bring a diamond from there, and that's all. here, i have now painted a whole story in painting. it's all there in the movies. it's you all to yourself the place where it is possible to do this animation, but this is also another labor input, and this is this and this is the incredible accessibility of literature , the power of these images that you can create like this. and this, of course, cannot be compared in terms of creativity. m-m freedom of creativity. yes, freedom e creative expression in any comparison, of course, does not go. so you're always doing some kind of 2d art. or is there some kind of raccoon you always come across some interpretations of not

restrictions, yes, restrictions on interpretations for distortion. and here you are directly in plain text. as if, so to speak, you cut it, somehow it’s all, that’s what i thought. that is, this is a completely ideal format, and in this sense, as if the birch was lucky that he, as it were, immediately began to do this, and began to engage in art. only then, by the way, speaking already not only writers. he painted pictures. tell me about it. well, yes, then here's five. fifth sixties arose a huge galaxy of american artists a-a abstract expressionists, it's there jackson polo, meekly. well, there is a whole one . these are the authors who are now worth hundreds of millions of dollars there, and then they immediately began to build good money. i’ll choose a dream , i painted such rather primitivist pictures, mostly on boards on some, and then, uh, all of her used to shoot them all with holes. yes, they are all shot. and by the way, in a paradoxical way. here it is in moscow, as it were, they don’t know, but in

st. petersburg, for example, one of these paintings is permanent from the position of the russian museum. in the frame i saw her in the palace. yes, and there was even such a very funny moment when i studied the second book. i am now describing this episode there, when i studied at the russian museum, so to speak, there is such an alexandrovich borovsky there is a wonderful art critic. such a director of the department is a current of teachers and somehow we go to him, and there are some paintings, i look like that, there is alexander comrade. what is it? the picture is there, and there it stands there. well, there are two 70 basques there, there is a painting of some sort of picasso there in a pack. so it is in this and some, a torn board stands. i say it in general, what they are told, yes , i will, and i just already at that moment. i have already stopped using it, i prescribed all these mine. it just gives me away and i've made contact. e sberom through the material of his art even managed to insert. uh, finger

on one hole. yes, it's invisible. i recorded my feelings there, as if passing a finger through the pictures of the world, that is, uh. as a matter of fact, he produced quite a lot of these pictures. they are. e, in many museums something like this, and i really liked it too, like, uh, then i was also all like that at the dawn, so to speak , some kind of artistic career, and i really liked the creative method that, as it were, draws a person and writes books and films are made on it there, and some kind of video art is made there and collaborate with rockers in no form of files. such a media format of creativity is very close when you are, as it were, the center of your own creativity, by the way, that's what you call performance correctly, when your life becomes the object of your art. and so you can do it once there is such a concept that life is like an art of life.

like a work. that is, there you have a historical one, how would your canvas be here. that is, because why buy some paintings. eh, for dearly there is some orhal, because this is the same worl, because there is a whole life, and there is a legend in this episode of life. he painted this picture there was with that one, then that one was there about us. that is, you buy this story, and history, what is it? this is a text that is, this is a kind of history, that is, you still think that the main direction, er, of berouz's work, was literature, right? well, of course, but these pictures are such artifacts. uh, yes, accompanying merchandising, that is, for the album cover, in my opinion, one of his paintings, because when you get such wild popularity, you get, in general, there are t-shirts, that’s all. these are also birches. i think there were both a t-shirt and some kind of hat, these are some kind of collectibles. there too maybe some jackets. there are some branded ones there. this podcast is a must

read. i am a film director and a writer, my guest is kirill shamanov, an art critic writer. artist specialist in the art of the xx century. we're discussing william burroughs, and his junk and naked breakfast novels. listen and here, in spite of his say. so elitism. it's in his books. i see that he perceives these residents on these. e konovalov pushers are more flint than hipsters, by the way, i also use the word hipster growth, but no one was actually a beatnik and there were hipsters on the fact that now it is now we use the word in a slightly different sense then. it was a man who was in the subject. well, that's what you're talking about, uh, these are inhabited, that he was friends and communicated with the inhabitants, but he did not bring them over, he perceives them. eh, as equals, although we understand that he came from a completely different environment. and so he starts hanging out with some, well, just bandits. piece-workers

begin to steal and well, in general, and at the same time, uh, there is no sense of any hierarchy. at me feeling. here is some kind of equality of partnership and brotherhood. let yes man be a wolf to understand that in this situation, probably, there can be no friends when everyone is hunting. yes, for some drugs, and most importantly - this is a drug, but nonetheless. i have a feeling that this is some kind of magical world. uh, bra- fraternal or not? i 've seen quite a few uh kids. these are the rich parents. eh, they come in good cars, a week later the car is already worse , a week later the car is completely bad, then on foot. yeah i'm through and then in a new car, that is, well, depends on how the parents support, well, in general. yes, of course, that is, uh in this among the use. there, in general, there is only one hierarchy. that is , you have it and you don’t have it, that is, if you

have it. the king is god, and everyone loves you and all your friends don’t have you. nobody really needs you there. you know that, and how could he be the only one there somehow you can somehow offset something in debt there it ’s the most crawling, so it’s like there these things they are erased, as it were, that is, uh, they are erased some sort of social hierarchy. yes rich is educated. well, from the rich, so you have. and this means something, if you were rich yesterday, as it were, i’m sorry, is it educated or not, it’s, well , of course, it will probably be more pleasant to talk with you, but in fact, no one really talks there . well, what do you think, i'm taking the election. uh, this experience made him his literary material, and he consciously went into living life in such an extreme and dangerous way. get out of the water dry. wherein. i think in case i take the name of the junkies, just at the beginning this novel. it more or less describes. i

think that after all, but he was just so young in terms of weight, yes, a loafer, yes, well, few people like to work. and this is normal. yes, that is. well, you know, here, i, too, for example, it is believed that i don’t work either, and as a result, it turns out that you write these books and suffer. there you carry these pictures all the time back and forth. something is always busy with something. that is, uh, therefore, these are people who often do not want to work, as if they do not understand that they will have to work all their lives i wrote a lot of work, of course, but this one, if so, to return. i think that it was still a young weight and such. here 's some weird experience. uh, apparently, the game most likely turned out to be somewhere on the verge of life and death several times and it cut through, that he would just die now and that’s it, well, at the same time, there was still such a guy, as if he had read there with some -something obviously subtle and with perception,

yes, that is, well, as if some fragile things perceived there subtle things perceived tracked it all, of course, strongly frightened. this is the prospect of dying in such a meaningless place. well, somehow he decided to deal with it. and that's probably what i think it is. that's how roman junky became such an important over-effort. for him. we can say that this is such literature. eh, somehow promotes this way of life or fascinates? or so to speak draws in or rather vice versa? experience shows that those people who generally, in principle, read, of which there are few of them. here here they have a chance, that is, they have something there some kind of higher nervous activity is being formed, some kind of dreams, maybe they are delusional, but those who have nothing to lose, they are easy-going. and if a person has some kind of this one on the cortex, some dreams , some kind of desire to become someone. i don't know

how it will take place or some kind of adventure in life . it is, in principle, any, no matter how useful it is, if it is also thematic. rather, it is positive, that is, junk for me when i read it first time its consumption. for me , it worked for me. here is the consumption effect of what, as it were, here, uh, here's the dude, everything is the same, but he took the book and wrote it, that is, the state. and i'm sitting here, sitting here , i'm picking up something here, something there is the same thing. some kind of boring, completely dull, monotonous life i live, in fact. this is a book about a feat, that is, they suppressed it, yes, because sex is all these autofiction novels in which, uh , the author is there or the hero, he survives these are books about a feat and about a feat of a person in front of himself himself, because a man he rebels against himself, it turns out his vicious parts.

yes, who owns it. yes, and yet he is completely lost state. he doesn't know what to do with all those who are physically destroyed, and for all the society is destroyed. he already stole from everyone there. who can have something, that is, why does the garbage lie e not thought for months, as he himself describes hmm yes and somehow it's all put together, and something to process into a clear text. well, this is something not well, that is, this field is real, this is not normal. this a state for even an ordinary person, passing through without the experience of writing, you get, you awaken some kind of critical consciousness correctly a rope a rope in a cord. what are you there? it’s not just that it doesn’t mean you don’t find it, and you build yourself, in fact. making some new connections. but tell me, but uh, i take you, what is its peculiarity, because there is actually a lot of literature like jan to literature, but why exactly do i take it from uh,

you can say? why is this an artistic approach? why a's prose has artistic value, and not just value experience described. i guess by writing this junk. he realized that it really could be a success, that he, maybe he likes it, that it's better than there exactly the way he lived there or and so on. yes, that is, and he went further, he began to explore, or already more. i think the junk is there. well, here, literature, there is some kind of contribution there. he's not like that. it’s kind of big, but if, for example, in connection with junk, there is a naked breakfast, yes, that is, it’s in a naked breakfast, it will absolutely help him work, and he uses there, uh, mosaic. yes and some kind of psychedelic one, but, but what is it? this is essentially research. here, as it were, here is the transgressive experience

of the writer. that is, when you had something internal, something happened there, a typewriter. i don't know the paint, and it became something that's internal, it became something of a part. yes, the landscape is there, uh, part of the landscape is part of the cultural landscape, that is, and it is precisely this moment of transition, when a certain turns a writer out of this the creative energy is somehow refracted and splashes out there onto canvases and onto paper. this is the psycho moment. it's creative he tried to explore it in a bare breakfast, to be honest, not very clear. why is it necessary? because it is more or less individual more or less for everyone. that's pretty much what happens. that is, well, he wrote, but he did it. it's mine it wasn't written. he did it. this book is so niche. so i think, that is, this is a book that should have been written by someone for a film adaptation,

gronenberg, removed. uh, some tablet movie. eh, here. i watched the last one, there are even two or three film adaptations, that is, such a cultural wave still came from him, and what do you think, here are the followers, yes, and the signature lsh hunter thompson there, you think they scooped up the choice, after all, he was, honestly saying, here i would share, that is. uh, here i take it to blame, that de quincea, these are people with this experience, but hunter thomson, uh, this is alcohol. who, for some reason, wrote about what he is very very good at, and even paid for it funeral. i love him. not for this. that is, e me, uh, to be honest, hunter thompson uh or uh, and here is a naked breakfast, just here i rather, unfortunately, maybe even mold more countertoms, but these are such writers about the frenzy there what - something there, and there

somewhere to run. there is something there all the time. there. actually. they are not about some kind of addiction experience and not about some kind of experience. that is, it is some. well, such, as it were, the novels of some burnt dude's clips. i mean, honestly, honestly, hmm, i don’t want to talk, but i will say this is a meaningless book. uh, nothing, she's russian literature. uh, the beatniks influenced, they influenced beruslovno, but here is our beloved, by the way, eduardene, they reshimon me, yes, with this eddie. he arrived absolutely in the seventies, in the freshest form scooped up this russian, so to speak, literary consciousness, so to speak, scooped up this beatnik drive and managed to rethink it. here is a vedicka. yes filter, yes and run it into russian culture in russian luda the great russian literature and this, by the way, turns out to be incredibly refreshing, and this one here is the style of autofixation. eh, how like

such a kind of dogma? yes, that is, as an endless development of a novel of some kind, that is, all these, of course, are methods that were transmitted through lemon into russian literature. i think that, to be honest, we are only at the beginning of such a long journey of russian literature that now they said there are still chances that a few years ago. you see, with surprise, 200 found some articles where it is, so many of these here literary critics started and then ironically that auto-phishing has gone, as if in russia i hear a lot of criticism. in addition to autofixation, while it is completely meaningless, this is criticism, because, but there are some well, there is a cultural wave. yes, this is true and you can't do anything about it. just again, someone will do it talentedly, someone will do it poorly , the art of modern medicine. i have another version such that we are generally doomed to autofiction for the next 100-200 years. it's just now, in general, it seems to me, like this

great literature, especially the great literary form, she is in some such. if not for autofiction, it would be in a big crisis, but , in principle, no one reads novels for a long time. now everyone is more interested in a short form, in my opinion, a short short form and a form that relies on some kind of reality , that is, now we are now seeing, for example, on television a huge number of these reality shows, then they are even all are already out of fashion, but they all go out, they go out, but they cannot go out. here i think the future here is for in any memoirs biographies. but the autofish of people is just stretching and paying in rubles, because it's real, because you really learn something there on the one hand. eh, on the other hand. it can be interesting somehow, if it's interesting, how stylishly interesting, tasty there i apologize for this word it is written there, then it will be

consumed accordingly, because people will not have some distant terminological things. and when a person is there, here, i know him there. i gave you the words this is it there it comes in, and now i also see popularity, it was big in the fifties. in general, one can say that an innovator and a pioneer of this approach to creativity in general, when you take your experience, all the more embarrassing, yes, some kind of negative and just it, honestly open and show it from your own face. and as you say. eh, a person who understands eh feels that this experience is real after all. well, i probably wouldn't call him a fat guy in this, but he really did it. cool , yes, he made it a classic, you know. here i would he said so, it’s not that he came up with it, but he already drove it in so that you don’t mess it up anymore, because by and large there ’s an auto-fix of memories and quite a lot, that

is, different in every way, there are all sorts of qualities and in addition, yes, from everything, but he did it, really talented, firstly , yes, secondly, this is an interesting period of history, he managed to cut a slice of this fiftieth, and in america some of these bikers to hippies. we suddenly find out that there was some kind of underground, some people there somehow and in lived. i mean, it's exactly like that. here is another historical moment. here, autofixation has a lot of advantages. i say if it's well written, plus it's historically interesting, it's a character. interestingly, the author is an interesting character, that is, there immediately goes a chain of some kind, it fits right away to some other people a novel of that time there, a memory of others, it’s like, in fact , the universe of these autofishes and memories is like, here she will give literature. i think some.