[000:00:00;00] the meeting is represented by sergei lavrov, he arrived in jakarta the day before, took part in a goal dinner with the president of indonesia and also held a series of meetings with the head of the foreign ministry of this country , an indian colleague from the general secretaries of the association for regional cooperation of the coastal countries of the indian ocean and jakarta, the head of the russian foreign ministry will go to bangladesh and the main point of the route will be, india, where the g20 summit starts on saturday. for the first time in russia, the metro came to vnukovo airport solntsevskaya line station one of the longest in stolichnaya more than 70 km of the subway, tunnels near moscow by the river, but the main improvement in the transport situation for hundreds of thousands of passengers, who can seriously save time on the road, vnukovo station is fully integrated into the airport, escalators lead directly to the terminal, and you don’t have to go outside. in moscow, the winner of the world championship in fire and rescue sports,

which was held in turkey, was met with flowers by an orchestra . ekaterina and chindakova, an employee of the ministry of emergency situations for the khanty-mansiysk autonomous okrug, won gold medals. the bronze medal winner set a world record, the president congratulated the national team, noting the russian rescuers put on proved that they are rightfully considered the best. such news to this minute have a good day and see you soon. not only my colleagues but i have a clear understanding this season of such a watershed there is a team playing and there is a team that is hard to watch, because hockey. well, he’s different of course, well, again, there is severstal, who runs; razin has nizhny , who plays attacking ska hockey, with

rotenberg also had a lot of bright ones, attackers in hockey have lokomotiv, which is hard to watch. this is a far-fetched story or or so let's say somewhere hmm 50 to 50. yes, in the sense that i will explain my 50 e, we have teams that play from defense. uh, for one simple reason, these are the reasons it has been going on for a long time that we have a turnover of coaching staff. and if the coach did not comply, let's say so. e the task that was set. he practically doesn't work anymore. not only can our coaches shoot 5-7 games there, lost and rarely waits for the same leaders when the team starts to play, for example, which is why the coaches begin to adapt. the most important result is not hockey, but the result that fixed the end of the game was in your favor. but what kind of hockey will you show,

such a thing, it doesn’t matter defending. the main thing, as pyotr ilyich vorobyov said back in the nineties, when he worked in a torpedo in a locomotive. yes, he always said, to us, the main thing is not to miss it. we will definitely score one, so the problem is probably here, after all, not not coaching staff. yes, we have a lot of good coaches. we have a lot of talented guys, both young and seemingly experienced, but the leadership is e.g. it does not allow them to open up to the end, and they are afraid of losing their jobs. and what to do about it? this will change somehow . this is probably still more a question for the leaders. are they ready to endure? again ? let's be honest, looking into each other's eyes. yes, the one who pays, he orders the music. and if there is a sponsor and sponsors pay crazy money there, yes, hundreds of millions team, that is, naturally they want to see the result. we are talking about the fact that the regular season was bright and not predictable, but

the semi-final of ska-cska and the final of cska ak bars, in general, at the start, one could imagine that there would be just such pairings. and what does this mean that, well , the regular season is really unpredictable, maybe as much as you like, and only those who, well, who can afford it, play in the playoffs. well pilaf, let's say they don't play like that. those who can afford it, and those who can watch reach the final, but this is how it turned out for our hockey, probably, looking at the last years, that, in principle, in principle, for the top four , let’s say, well, for the finalists in the conferences there is west and east, yes, approximately the same teams are fighting, but here, it’s probably possible to change this tradition due to uh, only hmm let's just say, the distribution of the hockey players themselves is limited by the application sheet. yes, that is, you cannot have applications there. if you have a system, the youth tower and the khl , you somehow had the same, that is, no more than 70

people, yes, but these 70 people they can playing all the time in the first team, no one bothers them to turn them around, because st. petersburg is the wind, but just give me a nutmeg. yes, they have a big shop. they have a lot of hockey players. although these hockey players play above the league, they could play well in another khl team, that is. i always say, we have a lot of talented young people, if we talk about youth, they are 20, 21, 22, but why can’t they show up right away and play, because stupid sends the fan club to the major league , they stew there, and already from the major league will return. he's back, or he'll stay there, uh now look at the situation from the other side. both play above the league, they only need one hockey player, one, one quick striker. one took the second is not, therefore, the second may no longer be revealed. my point is that this system a little pushes our young people out of their rut, when they could play in

another team at the khl level, they have to play above the league and wait for their chance. from next season, from the second round , i will cross, to be honest. , i don’t really understand. why is this necessary? well, on the one hand, to avoid the semi-finals of cska ska, which have once again repeated this season, but on the other hand, a financial fairy tale is likely. that is, here i understand a little bit why this was done; we need to understand what the board of directors was guided by. yes, that is, it was already. there were a lot of statements made by someone, for example, slava fetisov. yes, he said that i don’t see the point in doing this. uh, cross-playoffs, because it will increase the costs and really cost you. eh, roughly speaking, to moscow from yaroslavl, yes, or you’ll fly, you ’ll go to yekaterinburg or vladik, or yeah, well vladik - they are still there in the west, that is, they still get caught in this, there is another side of the coin. it's spectators spectators never. let's say the east will not see cska in e.

maximum in pilaf. only at best one city. if they play in the finals, they have a chance to see sasha radulov in the west. yes, when he will play , uh, in the playoffs, not only the regular season for one match . he came and left, yes, but the fact that he will play two matches there, but at their stadium. he has fans not only in kazan, but he has there are also fans in moscow. but another country, for example, here we are. the second round we have the green derby ak bars-salavat will now be ak bars-severstal. that's what's good. well, a very bad severstal caused a stir today, and i will say that it will be interesting there from a hockey point of view, but again, if we are talking about spectator interest, here you go, already past or cska ska too, as derby turns out. here, too, everyone is waiting, but it will be, well, okay it will be cska avtomobilist, the two-point system remains in your neighborhood, done by alexey morozov is the president of the khl and he said that we are talking about bringing back the three

-point system, and minus the two-point system, that there will be calm endings to the matches. well, like that, well, everything is clear. one on one two two. let's put the point anyway, we've already taken it, and here too you see, we have a double-edged sword everywhere, yes, okay, somewhere i agree with lyosha that the two-point system gives an opportunity to someone in the end. well , stress that he needs glasses, and someone should just swim calmly, because he’s already there took one. the most important thing is that i don’t feel like playing and that’s it, and that’s enough for me, but on the other hand there is the other side of the coin. as i say again. the three-point system allows teams in the championship to make such a start for themselves that, in principle, by the new year they are practically already in the office and there were such options. and this is also not eating, it’s good, because well, we’ve already we’ve already swum and so we can quietly prepare for the swim and not show that intense and that interesting hockey that we could have up to

end of february. let's talk about the competition, because here, too, there are two points of view that have already been accepted for the next season, which we, as usual, are starting. in september we end in february and then the playoffs go on. and this feeling is that our hockey officials still hope that we will be returned to the world championship, and therefore in may the world championship is already all free. but for now we can only speculate hypothetically about this. come on, we won’t look at the world cup now , we’ll be realistic, we won’t play twenty fourth year at the world championship - this is 100% we could do, ah, the championship, without paying attention to these deadlines longer, that is , increase the amount of urine, firstly, increase the number of matches. secondly, play longer. yes, that is, well, now there are 68 matches, we could do them at the expense of uh maisky there, another 2 weeks there, say, in may, we could increase them there. well, for example, not 68 there, but 72 at least there or something 74. well, we

take an even number. yes, we could start not on september 1st, but start hmm on september 15th, or well you started on september 1st. but then uh, finish the season there in the middle of march. yes, so that you have just 2 months to swim, he will move on in may, while we are crossed out and could from the international arena. we could clearly focus on the development of the continental league without paying attention to international matches, without paying attention to the international world championships, where we are not invited? yes, but it is precisely to work here to improve the quality of the game and increase it. ahh, increase the number of games. eh, let's say the days of our season in order to, well, how would it was not from september 1 to march yes there, because many teams did not make it to our swims, that is, everything is clear, yes, but six did not

make it. yes, that is, everything. otherwise, they would still please the audience with their hockey, at least there would be another interesting one until the middle to the end of march. the story is a bonus situation that is being introduced into salaries now by the salary cap. how do you look at it? is it good bad or different? yes, some diagrams. uh, i always said, i say and will continue to say, and i myself loved to work according to this scheme, worked in lokomotiv then played in omsk , cherepovets. let me have an average salary, like an athlete, but very large bonuses. for me. this is a great incentive for an athlete. these are bonuses to complete. and when the guys have bonuses. naturally, they are trying to get closer to these bonuses and get them. yes, that is, they understand that i am working. i'm working. i received additional funds. now we are considering a situation

where they want to introduce bonuses to the ceiling, that is, practically limit them from twenty there up to ten percent, and then remove it altogether. here i am a hockey player. i am a sportsman. i have a contract. i have a salary twice a month, what’s stopping me from just playing hockey, enjoying it, not straining, not trying to get out of myself, it’s the last minutes and seconds to win, what’s stopping me from just playing hockey. i will already receive it in any case, that is, you do not earn money. i earned it there, so to speak. last seasons, yes, that is, they gave me there for the name for the indicator, but this season i will say. well, so i've been there for 2-3 years. i can godok, as we talk with a cigarette ride. yes, no, no, this is the same without straining, well, i’ll score, there’s an average number of points, but no one will take my salary. the incentive for the player should be let better wages, you and so on. restrict for for hockey players. yes, but leave the bonuses

as an example, we can our esteemed sasha radulov. well, yes, what bonuses did he have to get him into the top three scorers, what bonuses did he have to get the team in? he has a personal bonus then it turns out that to bring sasha and sign him at ak bars, they had to give him a double contract. you are more involved in social activities. you were a deputy, and naturally, you know the minimum wage. eh, state employees. and how did you explain to them, if these were questions or now i have a question. how can you hire doctors, miners, teachers, and that there is such a significant difference in salaries between state employees and between hockey players ' salaries, well, incredibly different, to put it mildly, i would probably answer that in childhood, when everyone chooses his life path. he understands where he is going. yes? again, let's go like this to become an athlete. you have to go for a very long time. you must

give up something. yes, that is , boys, girls, let's go to the disco, and you have training, yes. to school. it's clear that school is the same thing, but you train twice a day. you have a weekend there on saturday and sunday, like this, we would have played in our time young youth. we have a week of training on saturday sunday games. we didn't have many days off. that is, we are in traveling. we travel we are everywhere, so living there until, let’s say, almost 20 years. i had to myself. what mascara, mlyat something to refuse, but i knew that i have a dream. i want to play hockey. i want to become a professional hockey player. uh, i got into the youth team torpedo gorky yes, there 17 1/2 years old. played my first match. i got into the army in the central army sports club, my dream came true. i got into the national team when my dream came true, and then i came. ah, some income. yes, then yes, i walked towards this and walked for a very long time,

again, using the example of my sons, i can say there is kolya, who all his life wanted to become a hockey player, he went towards this. yes, there he received a salary of 15,000 rubles. i remember when he got 30.000. he says what to do with her. i say, i don’t know how much money i’ve never had, when he got 60 he says, damn, i don’t even understand what he’s saying, how can you live on it, he says, it’s actually crazy, when we signed the first one there youth contract, somewhere minimum 3 million. yes, he says, it's the same in order. i've been here all my life, he says i will play. yes, i mean, well. these are the emotions of a young man, seventeen. there summer 16-17-year-old boy. now, of course, he has a decent contract there, and he already understands what he gets the money for, but again, he has to go through all of this. that's how i told you, yes, we are taking his middle son, who was 14 years old and said, dad. i am not an athlete. well , it doesn’t suit me there, i was in hockey and i was in wrestling and i went to basketball and signed up for football. well, not

mine, that's what i'm saying. and what do you want? he says, i want to study. i - says - i will study. i speak then as as his athlete. kolya has a maximum task, you have a maximum task. he completed 11 classes with a red diploma. he did it to him. he is studying to be an international lawyer, but he is not an athlete. he chose his path exploratoryly. if you compare them later, of course, this salary will be like in hockey. this one will have a salary. how's the lawyer doing? yes, but he chose this path. he also offered to go try. i didn’t want to, so i can probably say here that everyone chooses their own path. a if this is a question for hockey players in general, then it’s just true here and this is a global trend. we will not see, there and in the nhl the same situation. green contact is against all this all over the world, yes, this is all over the world, we’re just saying it again. and who gives these millions of contracts, after all, we once played not for millions. yes, we had a salary

there, well, let’s do it this way, i received it at cska, when i was 21 years old. i received a rate of 120 rubles. i received a plus for the rank of second lieutenant. they also added 110 to me. that is, here i have there was a salary, of course, it may have been more than someone else’s, but i myself chose this profession. so if we compare. uh, now those times are the nineties. i came in the nineties to play in the toilet when i was with us. in 1994 we had a strike, i came. in my opinion, i played there for two and a half months in togliatti , believe me. the salaries of those times are not comparable, that is, if, uh, sponsors are willing to pay, uh, athletes, that kind of money, if, uh, managers are willing to pay such money, but this, probably, is also a question for them. well, yes, well, it’s just our own reasoning, but i also don’t have an answer to this, because conditionally now lada is returning to the khl and thank god and there will be big

contracts for the guys who work at the plant. well, completely different money. well, let’s be honest, it means that lada is not a private enterprise. and russian railways is not a private enterprise. that is , again, if we draw a parallel with the nhl, yes, then the owner there is absolutely a business, maybe, yes, he can allow it. here government money. they go to the big salary of this football player in hockey. that is, this is actually a very important question that we constantly raise, but so far the answer has not been obtained. well, it was interesting your point of view about trade unions. now there are no khl trade unions; they exist de jure, de facto, in principle, no. is this good or bad? uh, can't tell you for sure, why can u tell? only why didn't the trade union become? uh, somewhere, maybe the trade union, relaxed a little. yes, that's all already settled down and completely agreed somewhere the hockey players understood with the agents. why should we? what

about being in a trade union? if everything has already been done, yes, that is, everything is already in the regulations and these regulations are implemented by the continental league. that is, i believe that for the first 10 years. well, they worked very well. we have done a lot for hockey players of what was not there, what they used. yes, for example, well, for example, payment upon dismissal, payment of compensation to a hockey player. he changed three teams in a season. you signed in pre-season to full-time the contract will fire you and received 25%. and he signed a second contract at another club. you've been fired. in november. you have already received 50%. now you play in the third club and receive a salary. i'm telling you this is bad. i say, the trade union did this, because before this there had never been such conditions. but nevertheless, uh, it turned out this way. i also have the impression that since we have everything, the work is already done. why should we stay there? well, that’s strange, because

again, you know perfectly well how it works nhl and how influential the players' union is there. we don't have p-, uh, can't have that kind of influence here because we 've talked a lot. we discussed it many times. yes , leverage on managers. we do not have trade unions. do you think it is in our country or is it just a specific private story? no, i think it’s all of them, that is, any trade unions. in our country they operate in accordance with the law. yes, by federal law, you can't go to the side, you can't go further there, though. eh, a lot often to me asked a question. let's go on strike. these are the kinds of infringements there. this is how it infringes on us there. they don’t give us this, they don’t give us this. i'm talking, i 'm asking a question. guys, let's, let's go on strike. you won't play, you won't practice. well, damn it, you will not receive a salary all at once in the locker room at the meeting. yeah, listen, i’m minus

that much per month, no, i’m not going to play. let's not go on strike. again, let's not say hockey is the same. that is, going around clubs, talking with others. yes there were moments when i talk about the fact that there are problems in this club, they don’t pay money there, you need to. maybe there is something to help inspire the guys somehow, everyone asks me a question . listen, this is how i play, let’s say. i’m playing in ak bars, what do i care about vladivostok and the admiral that they don’t pay salaries. these are their problems. it isnot mine. and what do you think, why is it there? indeed , these unifying structures work, but this business will not happen here. we talked to you, and you yourself said that it’s there business to you is commerce and everyone understands that by uniting and setting their own conditions without going out on the ice. after all, the leader also loses. uh, presidents of a certain amount , of course, that's right, so there are

certain levers of pressure on the same leaders there, on the same ones, but club presidents and so on. there are no such levers here, well, yes, one manager once told me. he says great. do it, says the strike is super. i say i’ll save so much money, he says per month and i’ll report to the sponsor there that you look. i haven’t paid my salary for a month this year. i saved money. you still have them, that is, here. uh, as they say, we have a different system, we have a different subsidized hockey, we say that there are state-owned companies, there are private companies that invest in the development of sports. but in america, after all, the nhl is a commercial project, they make money from it. let's say show and business are two different concepts. that is, we have them , then let’s break them down in my understanding, yes, that is, hockey should be a show. yes, where the audience comes, where they come to throw out emotions, there after a working day. yes, someone

is ill there to recharge with positive energy when the team wins, yes, or be disappointed there, but still it will splash out some kind of negative energy. yes, so that you can go to work there quietly the next day. this should be a show. it should be colorful. it must be beautiful. it should be stylish, but business is another matter. what is business? in my understanding, business is when you invest money, you get income we invest in a dispute money income does not work. it may be minimal, but it does not cover the costs that are invested. and we have the concept of a limit of legionnaires, and even now there are up to three pigs. well, it's not about the limit, but the fact is that alexei morozov said that the league is against this, yes, what is it? well, not great. this does not go towards development. in this case, the decision remains with the sport itself. but how can this be in general, and this here also

applies not only to hockey, but also to football, then there is, it seems, the lika league is an independent unit of the khl rpl, but at the same time it, uh, completely depends on the decision of the ministry of sports. i believe that if the league itself is a unit, it must itself approve its own rules and it is not necessary to give them approval, but simply for approval. uh-huh that's because we have let's so it turns out we are talking about development in my understanding. yes, there is some kind of consensus, e.g. in negotiations, but always when three independent units are trying to develop the same thing for each development vector. uh, directed towards you. we have swan cancer and pike. we have the ministry of sports, we have the federation, we have the khl on some issues. they agree on some issues and act in a consolidated manner. but they didn’t agree on some issues, and therefore, that’s why we don’t. candy, which should

be like this and there are three legionnaires - this is a bust with already a value. what do you think, if we are talking about our pro-russian hockey, if we are talking about young people, then we should give them the opportunity to play and give them the opportunity. yes, how it was earlier in good times there are two leading links, the third is the middle one between the leader. and this, well, here it should be somewhere there and there are young guys who have to study for a year or two. this is what the team consists of. my opinion, even in the current realities, it has not changed when we talk about foreigners. come on five. give me three or there were offers. let's open the league in general, well, about opening the league from religion . let's go before the sanctions, yes, before we were removed from the international arena . there was such a negative experience, i don’t remember what years, but i know this for sure: in germany, when they