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to become interested in space, they became interested in the museum, and began to become interested in chess. all this was broadcast live in two languages, a huge amount of coverage , a huge number of views. well, of course, there were a lot more people, and then i wanted to come to the cosmonautics museum. i know that, uh, you already wrote a book about the cosmic belly. can you briefly tell us about it, how the idea came about, and what readers who haven’t read it yet can read there. yes, this book is called animal astronauts. the first space explorers. i i’m not talking about all animals there. i talk there, first of all, about the dogs that flew into space. and the idea of ​​this book. born from two moments. first. i began to notice that people who come to the museum regardless of their age. they only know three dogs that have flown into space. this is the laika , the first dog that went into space, and the squirrel and arrows, the first living creatures that not only flew into space, but also returned safely to earth, but there were many more of these dogs. and that's what i found out, by the way, that's all,
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thanks to the institute of medical and biological problems, because i had the opportunity to work with archival documents with the memories of people who directly prepared these dogs for space flights, and at some point during this communication. i started writing down stories. just for myself and at some point one of the publishing houses with whom we interacted came to our museum and spoke. you know, together with the museum we want to make some good book filled with you. and we have the opportunity for the museum to be in all the bookstores in russia. i say there is this topic, they say, it’s amazing about this. no one has ever written this book before, i wrote it, and it has already gone through four editions, such popularization. yes, there i talk about all the animals, uh, starting with the very first ones, which back in 1951 , dogs flew into space. that is like 10 years. uh, before the first human flight into space and ending with those experiments that took place after
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yuri alexey’s human flights, because there were such a huge number of them, about 50 dogs, flew into space. and some flew twice several dogs flew three times and one dog flew four times, yes, and i always tell people if it seems to people that they just took the dogs and sent them into space. this is not how they are, in fact. there was a real dog squad there. they also went through preparation. ahh, medical selection is mandatory. we remember that a certain height, weight and age. it’s definitely girls if we’re talking about orbital flights, because both boys and girls dogs have flown on geophysical flights, and only girls have to fly on orbital flights mongrels. and the preparation was very strict. that is the same centrifuge. eh, then the dogs had to be trained, because it was not clear how they would behave in flight conditions, and they were taught to eat in conditions, and
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shaking in conditions of loud sounds. here is the real preparation, the real absolutely real story. tell us about your new job after 7 1/2 years at the space museum. i was offered to study not only history. and with modernity, and let’s put it this way, absolutely, with what is happening now and with what will be interesting in the future and i moved from the museum of cosmonautics to a private russian space company. this is very important, because and now, i am convinced of this , astronautics as a whole is experiencing a kind of renaissance and a kind of revival. private space exploration in russia is now gaining momentum. and it seems to me that right now she’s about to rush towards the avangard , in general the audience is chanting in unison, chukakaga. this is exactly what nok fans called the bird troika churilov, generally great. get better. rather, he's on you
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, you can and should treat the carriers in which we work, we already have results everywhere. everywhere there are already successes that we want to convey. this is space for the earth, we are not talking about what is needed rather fly to other planets to populate the fact that on earth there are enough different questions and problems that need to be solved, and astronautics can help us earthlings very much in this, when i talk about the popularization of private
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astronautics. i always say that we, uh, not you and me, but people who are not directly related to space rarely think about how often they actually come into contact with space, use the services of space, absolutely use the services of space. if there are those who are watching us now this morning, they opened their phone, but looked at the weather forecast or used a navigator or used some kind of maps. just by the internet at this moment a person interacts with the cosmos. i'm talking about the simplest levels now. and if we are talking about different areas, starting from agriculture , agro-industry, and ending with oil and extractive industries, all these areas very actively use the data that we receive from the satellite, so we are actually from space in many ways. strongly dependent, not just dependent, but space improves improves our life on earth every day. that is, you invented your own rocket, which you will
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launch yourself. which will be a useful load in the form of satellites that will provide information that you will distribute on earth. that's right, uh, all three of these directions. they are interconnected, but now, since we are a young company, we are literally 3 years old. and on the one hand, a lot on the other hand, of course, for astronauts. we are still very young, and they are all interconnected, but at the same time we are developing them in parallel. and that's what, yes, we are talking now about the direction of ultralight missiles. we already had several launches, and our second launch. we carried it out from the test site from which sergei pavlovich korolev launched his first rockets and, let’s say, i did. and this was also a very significant event for us and now we are preparing to launch another space rocket. this will be another test flight and will continue further faster and higher. yes, everything is exactly in our plans, and we
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will do everything that depends on us to ensure that this succeeds. and who will use your services? what kind of satellites will you order if people are companies or organizations that are interested? yes, we are already working with several companies that are interested in our services, and let me remind you that we ourselves also deal with satellites. and if we talk about what specific satellites are, then these are two main large areas of remote sensing. remote sensing of the earth. and that's the connection. well the connection is dissociative. yes, that is, it should already be a rocket. yes, several steps. they have several steps. we have in developing one of these missiles. and just with several steps to get to the top ones. well, we are now talking about its regions in the stationary army. that is, our russian private space company is developing. there are people interested in the project itself. well, of course, there will be a huge number of those who will use
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absolutely everything from your resources, and moreover, i will say that our investors are all russian. eh, that’s it, it’s assembled from 95% russian components. so if we're talking about rocket direction, these are russian components, that you assemble the rocket yourself in your enterprise, as for satellites, there is a percentage. uh, russian components are lower, but we are also working on this, therefore, as for the rocket there, i say, plus or minus, it’s 95% secret. we have special areas where we do this. most, most importantly, i wish your company to develop, to prove that in russia there are, uh, private space companies, because here we are a little behind our colleagues foreign. especially the american ones, therefore. um, i hope we're proud. e. in your company like you, who are involved in space. thank you very much, because honestly, this is what we lack. we lack support. and we
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are often very confronted with the faith that we have even among the common man in the street. there is a feeling that private space exploration in russia is for some reason impossible. and when a person is an astronaut, he says that everything should work out. this is, of course, very pleasant, so thank you very much, but you are probably with him employees. naturally, we interact with roscosmos. roscosmos supports all initiatives. uh, private traders at one level or another understand that we will now leave such a complex topic, it is clear that we haven’t yet. and in our country, the instruments of interaction are largely between private companies and regulators of the legislative framework. yes, and this too. although already several years ago a lot has changed and it has become easier for private participants to breathe; it has become easier for private owners to work, so we interact with roscosmos and we understand perfectly well that these are our regulators without roscosmos. we are nowhere, of course, there are still some issues that need to be resolved, because we quite often talk about how good it would be if roscosmos and private space companies
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gave the opportunity to use its uh, test base, sometimes to private owners , this is very much lacking, because private owners must build something of their own or look for some other options. but i have a very positive attitude towards this and let’s hope that over time i am sure that you will succeed. let's fantasize. what do you think a person will do in space in 50 years? i am absolutely convinced that, of course, space flights. eh, if we pilot them, it will become more clear that there will be a huge number of satellites in orbit, and at some point we will come to the point that this will need to be regulated somehow. i think that people on earth a will become even more involved in astronautics and will understand what astronautics gives them, and this will happen. this is a two-way interaction between people who live on earth and space technology. and perhaps we will gradually begin
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to become some kind of cosmic species beautifully. my guest was daria, a wonderful journalist and deputy general director of a private russian space company. i'm anton shpplerov - this is a podcast of space stories. well, the tears of the men, chasing a bullet in his stomach, he fell to the ground like a faithful dog, and next to him a viburnum bush grew, such a red viburnum, this is what vladimir semyonovich vysotsky wrote in a poem in memory of vasily shukshin hello we gathered our thoughts today about the work of vasily makarovich. shukshina kalina red. hello dear friends. good evening lev maratovich. karakhan
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film critic. producer sergei vladimirovich vereikin. journalist media manager. i'm vladimir leguida, let's get started. and i have a subject for a journalist’s master class in our mmo and when we go through a review. i let the kids watch movies. well, what else can i write a review about? the book is not read. here's the movie, let's see. and the children watch kalina red. naturally, this is a long-standing practice and i have been giving kalina red for a long time, it is clear that the last years. this is an absolute revelation for them. but here’s a review a few years ago. i really remember the girl, an excellent student, winner of the all-russian olympiads, such a good review, but at the end she writes. i generally grew up outside of soviet cinema. and so i look, trying to empathize. here is a tragic ending, i don’t want to sympathize with the heroes. but i can’t. let’s see, by the way, it’s the final episode. my little rodniki is not dying.
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so she writes that you want to empathize, they succeed. that's my aesthetic, i won't do anything invent. that's how it was written. we talked about classes. well, i sighed there. well , here's my question.
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is it possible to do something, maybe some kind of conversation before watching the film, to help a person who today 21 2 3. empathize when watching kalina krasnaya, well , it seems to me that you can, of course, to do this, you just need to talk seriously about the film and about what is happening with this hero, but i actually, you and i discussed karina the red, and before that i spoke with my students in afgika. and for i rediscovered this picture myself, because i watched it a long time ago back in my student years, in 1973. by the way, it's 50 years old. yes , this year, but i discovered a hero for myself and something that you can really empathize with because it ’s not a midlife crisis when the hero says, i’m 40 years old, but there’s nothing to say. this is
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an anthological crisis, this is a crisis. e of being. this is a crisis. eh, understanding oneself is such a very interesting film in e. hmm television radio fund, preserved, where shukshin talks about his hero and in particular. although he says that the hero left himself. this, in principle, is a very un-soviet formula, to be honest, because this relationship with oneself is such a hmm, scientific language, if we speak existentially, yes, but matter is nevertheless very understandable, because a person is trying something like that. to find in life. uh, figure out who he is. and this is the most important thing, when we begin to follow the prokudun in this movement of his, it seems to me that empathy arises because he, and hmm, moves away from what? and sometimes we don’t read very accurately some kind of graphic text, but he’s leaving the team. and he wants to become himself.
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alone with himself, and the team is presented a little bit like a gang of lip-slappers. and what he says almost at the end is that i don’t owe you anything. yeah, he says this to people who, in general, with the environment in which he grew up, in which he, as it were, found. eh, some social status, albeit negative, but nevertheless, he doesn’t want social status. he wants to talk about it himself. we 'll talk too seryozha, how can i help? yah, firstly, in my experience, since i often bring such students to clubs, also with young people, in principle, at that age there are limited ones. in my opinion, a set of film techniques in which people empathize, that is, after all, subtlety. this is what is happening on the screen in my opinion.
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it is better perceived when you yourself gain some experience, and in general, you begin to think about it. but still, if the first part of this film, it is just popular, and understandable and intended, perhaps in the usual way, the more subtle , this is where things get complicated. tem heavier. it seems to me that a young person can perceive this, but you can help here, i agree with albaratovich, when you explain, perhaps a little more than is necessary with an older viewer, yes, you explain, what is this? let’s stop here about what is this about because uh, look, what a thing somewhere on the internet i found what this film is about: a criminal repeat offender yegor prokudin, nicknamed grief, who has seven walkers, is trying to tie up his past, start living in the village in the house of lyuba , whom they meet by correspondence, but criminal the past in the person of a former accomplice. his yesterday’s colleagues won’t let him go, they find yegor and kill him. prokudin dies in
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lyuba’s arms and her brother is the driver. peter knocks down the bandit wolf the end of the film is perfectly correct and absolutely nothing was said asked for. when i read this, i remembered two things: first, yuri mikhailovich of our votman, who said that the work does not boil down to what it is about, and that always amazed me. why the plot? yes? what about what? was this produced? what is this film about? come up with, and once you and i were talking about different things, and we mentioned the red viburnum. i said soviet cinema. you say, well , let's start with the fact that it is not a soviet movie at all, please explain why? this is not soviet because it departs from the standard and collectivism in general, and soviet cinema, of course, it dominated in general in the sixties shukshin was a non-standard sixties. and here is the main question of the sixties, how to live, which was posed in the film i'm 20 years old. he forced ilyich marlene to live at sixty
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third year, and khuseyva and shpalikova. of course, we must speak correctly. if you remember, there was a fundamental conversation with his father who died in the war, such a metaphorical scene and the hero asked eh. well, what, what should i do, and what should i do, and the father said a simple thing to live hmm then the hero asked the second question. but how to live, this question turned out to be very difficult to answer, and in general, the people of the sixties did not really answer this question, because they lived, they devoted themselves to life, and in this, oh the beauty, it’s like this generation, but shukshin began to gradually move away from this, because life did not give the return that he wanted for the first time, by the way, in his story a remarkable one of his best stories of the seventy-first year stalled , a theme arose when the hero it’s not that he suddenly i realized that the three birds are carrying chichikov
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, e, the crook is carrying how did he go to the hero’s literature teacher, he said you don’t have to take everything directly, but it ’s not about chichiki at all, but that he thought about himself. what is happening to him, and there is a phrase, the key one is not with chichikov, connected with the hero himself, lived half his life, so what? not even so, the second half of life will pass and nothing wonderfully shukshin's word will happen, yeah. this is what and this is uh, pain is uh misunderstanding. this desire to understand just drove shukshin, and not an attempt to approve certain soviet dogmas and stereotypes , he departed from them. and if he did, but uh , it wasn't important for him, by the way, to say, he easily removed it. uh, if you remember, there is a character, the prosecutor of zhanna prokhorenko, with whom a wonderful dialogue takes place. uh, she says the shoes don't feel too tight. he says,
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no, i have another problem, my feet are sweating, that ’s all. he put the dustpan away. i just put him in the corner on the ropes. one blow that's not the point. he wants to figure it out with himself. he and the system are leaving it. he wants to talk to himself. and this is the most difficult thing. you were talking about the retold plot, it’s not there at all. uh, the most important one might be the scene of the conversation with the driver, uh, who is taking him out of jail. after all, he, like a sixties, in essence, starts life anew, yes, uh, from scratch, when he tries this life, he says, yes, what if i had confirmation, yes, three lives. and what would he do with them if i had three lives ? mikhailovich yes, and
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the third would have lived himself this third life. he cannot live on his own. but here's the problem. but when i was preparing, i thought, i came across some kind of conversation by andrei sergeevich konchalovsky where he says, simply soviet is not soviet, he says, soviet people in the cinema could not be, not happy. but in this there is no sovietness of this film. he is deeply unhappy. and this is also very deep nowhere, in my opinion, because he does not reach the soviet cinema, after all, it has always been guided by the fact that the hero must come to some kind of result. eh, let it be a tragedy, but it shouldn't be optimistic otherwise, yes, and he came to tragedy in the full sense of the word, because he did not find the way to himself. and why does he die at the end ends. he has a lot of options. and if you remember at the beginning of the film this option, e, shukshin's film prompted the hero, he comes to this non-non of his ex-
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girlfriend. but her father won’t let her. prokudina still came, some one was struggling, he didn’t open the door, but he said, so, where it’s not necessary, she left. she hid from you so that you would not get her. the same can be done for prokudin and lyuba, who played wonderfully. uh, fedoseeva-shukshina, vasily makarvich's wife, she tells him to leave, but he does not want to leave. he says where i don't remember the words where? yes, because he is himself, he it's not that you can't even get away from yourself, but that he doesn't need another territory in order to deal with you. he cannot deal with himself, because he is obsessed with life. that's the problem, he still internally remains a member of the sixties. we gathered our thoughts about kalina krasnaya vasily makarovich. shukshina lev maratovich karakhan sergey vladimirovich i am vladimir yagoda. we continue everything that you once told me
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that the clients here could film something similar this is a movie for me. probably if i agree that it is not soviet because it is wider, uh, than the label of the country there. production or themes, uh since we are the old man clint of our uh eastwood, one of the main themes of creativity. this is just the same person who bends his line, let's say. so, yes, he yields correctly, he does not look back at what is around. he'll probably cross over to american hero. uh, yes, uh, and in this sense, if we take the plot of, say, this picture and not only the plot twist, but also the aesthetics in many ways. on my sight. this is absolutely the aesthetics of an american western, that is, a hero for a reason unknown to us. this, by the way, is also a problem. here's how much i review. why is he suddenly so tormented? well, that is, he is a repeat offender. yeah crisis age dubious hero gets out of jail, you know? you can’t live like that, money is money, there will be a thigh, uh, trying to arrange it first. that is, in which i am used to it
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, it does not work out further. this longing of the soul leads to repentance and death. if i remember the film granturino, for example, yes. grantorino, when the hero ends up, right? as a result, a person, yes, means and thereby. eh, actually in this case, shukshin’s hero finds his place among the birch trees of his loved ones. eh, in my opinion. this is an absolute story, not a regional one. that is, i don't like it. no, does he find a place, he , having met with birches with brides. he says i will be there. he's actually healthy with them. he says goodbye to them. this is not his, nakhodka this is not his path, not his opportunity to get out of the situation in which he finds himself, as far as he is concerned. uh, why did you come out? well out of a repeat offender has been released from prison, what does he want to become of the land, a plowman, let him be? yes , nothing to do with repeat offenders at all. this hero doesn't have it's not a social hero. this is shukshin's
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wife, in general, it did not work out for a very long time. well, with the exception of such a guy, of course, this is just a wonderful movie based on such a revelation of innocence. it’s done, but it doesn’t work out for him, because he himself wasn’t in the frame, and it’s a miracle that kuravlyov went to film, to play in 17 moments of spring. uh, kuravlyov was supposed to play, right? in the stoves bench. yes, yes, the bag of tires, uh, spreading his arms, felt that he had been betrayed and began to play himself and oh, and he entered the frame like a hero with his own problems. prokudin is shukshin’s problem and i agree with some kind of social hero here, but this is more about the fact that shukshin is more than an actor , a director or not? yes, but what about a holiday like which one exists, yes, because there at the limit the question sounds, is this a holiday? he is constantly tormented by this question, because he does not understand. what is a holiday? he
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it's coming. well, not by trial and error. yes, and there are no solid mistakes, not a single correct decision. he does not make, except perhaps one correct decision to die, because he has exhausted himself, because he cannot move on. he doesn’t know how, uh, the worst of his problems, if you remember, uh, one of his last conversations forgot the name of the hero, but he appears just for a split second near the boat, they stand talking and after him what is called the fate came prokuden in the face. uh, one of these bandits. he says, or maybe it was better not to be born. why do we live? this is what he didn't understand. this is the whole horror and tragedy, and prokudin should not have missed this. eh, in soviet cinema, by the way, to say, in principle, yes, in principle, yes, but because it seemed that, well, why not. wordets networkist wants to become good here,
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like what is said in that annotation that you went through. uh, slightly obscured the true meaning of this picture, which makes it. it's not that she is soviet or not anti-soviet - this is not a question for shukshin at all, but the fact that this picture is about a person who wants to understand himself and finds it difficult to do this, based only on life realities. he, uh, achieves a lot, but he doesn’t find it with anyone either. really true love. after all, any m-m incredible things happen, if someone carefully looked at the picture of hmm uh, when he first met her, she dressed herself up in such a dining room in this uh floor of the urban settlement yes, when yes she has, and the unknown word yes which even later on the wall is not allowed. you know perfectly well the picture i 'm getting ready, but where does it hang on the wall , just when he's trying
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to organize his fake holiday, yes, the race is wide, what 's he called or neat little bardaliera? he turns out to be a complete stranger. on this holiday, because any of this world is also not, but there is shukshin's small moment in a great director, indeed. and if it is left, then it has it corresponds to one another and the point is not that any, but it is like that. what are you going to do here? this is culture. this is unknown unfortunately, kramskoy has become simply a symbol of this grassroots culture, but there is no other. but his aspirations are completely different. this is generally the threshold of razin. in a sense , razin is not a russian robber. it was i who came to give you inner freedom. he is smarter than many, as shukshin said, he understands more about what is happening around. that's why he was important. this razin is not intellectual. naturally, but
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this difference is something that one understands to oneself. he left for this razin. and about putin - this is an intermediate step - this is some kind of the step is some kind of scum, to which it is alas. didn’t make it, yes, a holiday about a holiday. or maybe about the soviet tell us this look. this is just in this sense a soviet film, because uh, here uh, if you remember, especially the seventies. yes, this is a set of some uh, such symbols. every home should have a kama, yes. and if we are talking about the civil war, then this is kolchak, and so on , this is all to remember about the civil war at the time of the seventies. e hmm in one room of the restaurant reading political information. and right there, so with the lion fools with the center, he discusses. these are just big ones. yes, and that is, there is an official trip. well, so to speak, normal such is the legal life. eh, in my opinion. this is exactly what it is, that is, shukshin is the most soviet artist there in this sense and him
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, and therefore we tore it apart, because he, well, not only the salt of the russian land, yes, but also the soviet one in this sense is good, i agree soviet who are trying. to go a little further than the soviet worldview. yes, i found it when someone was thinking about our meeting wrote in one article that why does he die? why does he kill the hero, because in the soviet realities this hero has no future. in a sense, he is right, but this viewer, in what way i will explain? the fact is that whoever takes it is the collective. this is a gang, this is a lip slap. the leader of the gang. he could not become himself, because this team took its own and this, by the way, also took it. do you remember, there one of his girlfriends shouts, why don’t do that, don’t do that. uh, she squeaks uh-huh she, to yours says, so it is necessary so it is necessary
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this person who knows the social world, who knows how to behave in it, and no one will take it away. he didn't send anyone. he himself came the leader came and killed. this is very important in this map, because i read a lot where that thieves and other things were written by shukshin the film is cool, but the final does not happen at all, that if he wants to leave, they were so impressed, so to speak, because want. yes, no one of us will kill your own, and he is exactly this shoulder level. yes, from some no, including the fact that this is not passed about the criminal hero, this popor was much more significant and interesting than the plot basis itself. well, because otherwise it would have been a grotesque finale, like in the outskirts of lutsk when they are happily on tractors immediately after the burning of moscow, uh, that means direct decisions and this is a film. in a
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way, especially when it was watched. to be honest, i had the good fortune to be at the premiere of this film in the cinema house. hmm, and it was a shock, because people stood up. shukshin was sitting in the back on the top row. he was crying because such incredible applause was heard from people stood and applauded. he just didn’t expect such a reaction, indeed, yes, he had a few months to live, and uh, of course, it made an incredible impression on her, but people didn’t decipher what impressed them right away, it was so serious at that moment, if you look at the reviews of those years very serious and interesting criticism. they wrote. which character which hero shocked? finale what no one wrote about it, because he was so ahead of time. it is now that we ask ourselves these questions, when really half a lifetime, and someone and more already walked away. and that this question is asked. if
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a holiday, yes, but a holiday is a holiday, the question is how he understands the holiday, he understands the holiday within life. he doesn't accept the holiday. like a holiday inside yes, and if you remember the famous episode after he came to his mother to delhi, when he did not meet with her, but heard. and as she says, e with any a with his correspondence student yes correspondence. yes, he comes out, and he, in principle, is a prayer. this is a prayer of repentance. is not oh my god. and lord, he says, forgive me. i'm sorry. yes, this is in what other soviet cinema? yes, the hero says, lord , forgive me. no, i am the prayer shown and there is a church in the background. this is not in the field, zero is a difficult topic for shukshin, this is not in the field. but it all makes sense. it's all done. he chose the location, it's clear that makes sense, right? well, that's what he says then, he
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can't stop at this point, and he says, give me time. give me time, he's not really ready yet to be himself to speak the language, but the spirit in the language of inner existence, look, and then again. excuse me. yes, the race is in width, not in height and not in depth. that's about let's by the way, let's see the mileage. the people gathered for debauchery. oh my god, my straight girls with peaches. you still explain to us what we are celebrating. well. aunt's uncle, let
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's start eating question in the movie story. i understand that this is a director's script. yes, it's just that we called it reworked. oh well, the filmmaker was such a genre, yes, in the film story there he has a whole speech here. he says that we lived here. people , let's love each other, because i love you, otherwise we live like

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