many people relate to this, well, not only with some joy, because as it was written in one polish oven at one time. as for me, a cell from braszkiewicz restricts freedom, but guarantees safety. it is always an exchange of freedom for comfort it is clear algorithm, of course , i believe that censorship is definitely bad. this is wrong for a person. it's insulting. this means that we do not trust people who will either see something, not that, or learn something, you know, i have a favorite anecdote. i will allow myself to fulfill it once again, uh, and i am for very young viewers. if they are watching, this is when you are in the soviet era, when all sorts of enemy radio stations, then they tried to upset the life of the soviet people. you jammed, there were

such jammers. and here comes the man of gorky, the soviet era, i see what are you doing? where do i muffle the voices of america in myself, you understand? what can they tell us about us? well, trust me. this is where i take it very seriously. they tell us they tell us about us. well, they can’t say what, but if we talk about censorship, then firstly, there are laws according to which a lot of things are impossible; these laws work. they already exist . some additional censorship is needed when we talk about vulgarity. this is generally such a thing, very complicated. uh, well, firstly, because now i will explain very briefly once tukhmanov brought victory day, as you know, he was not released for a year. it considers that he wrote in the size of a fact

, you know, yes, it was an absolutely iron story. uh, there's a very fundamental difference between culture and art, it's fundamental. culture is ban system. is this what ultimately determines for society for each person, what is possible, what is not? this is censorship, only censorship worked out by human experience, yes. art has a different function does art destroy there? it's like science. and education some scientists like to joke that education is the enemy of science? that all the discoveries are made by people there are amateurs who do not know that there is twice four in art. this

is this and this is a very difficult moment. that's when you said there that it is difficult for the minister of culture. and here is the place of culture difficult. here, how not to strangle? this is the desire of the artist to create. and at the same time, not to drive him into it was worth all the prohibitions that exist in this and there is generally a subtlety of management. e, there is nothing else, so censorship in one form or another is generally in society with a person, there is a question of whether it is necessary to add some mechanisms. i am always very afraid of experts for one simple reason. uh, i respect infinitely experts, not their own selfish ones. this is all untrue. the expert is guided by available knowledge. we are speaking, that there the earth revolves around the sun and people said no, the sun, what date? that's when they said it, they didn't lie, it

wasn't like that. there it was not a cia order , it was the knowledge of the time. and this is a very serious thing. we continue our conversation with you today on the creative industry podcast roman karmanov, podcast host and ceo of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives elena kiper, producer and clickbaker. he is our guest mikhalych today let's get back to that interesting moment. in my opinion, when the swedish minister of culture decided that he would also host a program on television in parallel, we all remember. why, to find out if this number burned out? here is this plan, he justified himself in the end or not? you know eh? when i generally left the minister, and then, when i went to him, because by hand, if the federal agency for the cult of the river non

-graphics the budget of the ministry of designation and number squeezed out another thing, that this time the budget is also filling up there, uh, everything worked. uh, taxes collected, and in principle, the budget countries was much larger. yes, but my own , uh, our small budget, yes, uh, i tried to , uh, increase the maximum, because i 'll tell you. so. it is also very important for them to have good relations with colleagues in the government. i was also a man from the box, and therefore some things were forgiven me, because when the issue was discussed, for example, i don’t know there the development of the automotive industry there, but the aviation industry in agriculture, and in the end i say, but also, but you must understand that in general there is a disaster in the country , we don’t have non-performers on the english horn you don’t understand your loved ones very well, yes,

anxiety is generally a desire. it was a long way to kill me, but still. well, it’s always serious, in fact, yes, and, to be honest, that’s why even then there was a sin in the government and kudrin well, all the colleagues of president vladimirovich putin and they all supported many projects that would have been without such some kind of human once upon a time it was impossible to make reconstructions of a large one in you. well, this is the worst terrible dream in my life, this is it then we gave a start to him and the minister of culture suffered, this a minister who should bring only good news, there were many good projects and a comedian shelter and life is beautiful and a cultural revolution and so on, but it is still clear that a task is being carried out, some kind of and so on, but popularity also mattered to him. after what project did you feel this way, generally speaking, and through the star, too. and it was important for you, well,

i always treat with laughter. well, as you can see the star. i'm still a little, uh, well, i live such a different kind of life. i don’t live in a tv life at all and i’m grateful how to say, as to television colleagues and konstantin lvovich vera, that oleg borisovich is kinder to everyone, to everyone, that they tolerate me , as it were, like a person, in general, you know, the person was such a butler writes from the side i’m a little, well, from the side in this case. and i watched with great pleasure, hello comedians and so many yellow press, when suddenly there is direct contact, you communicate and these stories and people who are next to you, whom the whole country loves and you are with them, and it was such a breath, but human for me. it was very, very important, because the person didn't need to contact there. here he is an artist. here it is the way it is, and you gave it to people and seriously very much. i really liked

this project of yours and and you in your charisma. people remember you, you, you really are the producer of your artistic self. i would say yes, you did it very consciously, as it now turns out. and you did it for a purpose that favorably influenced. as a result, for your entire device. you know, when we did the moscow musical theater, i understood perfectly well that we'll never make a broadway seam. what if but no, i deliberately did not want to. we can't make the promotion go away because we 're working on pushkin square. we can do a show on pushkin square. um, i mean, now it's not the quality, but the relationship with the audience, you know, because in everything that we do there in the theater and what i think is important, you need to do some simple things. this is the most important quality today, or what? or people can not be deceived here in your

passion. i love right away that old one country, which i first heard there in print, probably in the fifth year. you know, you are one of my most. a successful interview on the culture channel was elena the magic giant, that is, the greatest singer who sang lilies of the valley. eh, for which then the next day came out guzzling, like a rout of the newspaper the truth, so about it. hey, i love stage. i fell in love with joy. and how is it that many people love and have loved and will love the stage, and the theater of the musical. it can be said the exception, not the rule in our country. although any television project, if it includes

into himself a musical part connected with our past, he immediately becomes popular, he knows all this very well, but at the same time, well, you know, the project was closed. life is beautiful at some point, i felt that i really want to. uh something to do in this direction and then to my misfortune. i read. uh, i’ll paint the story about the brothers, i’ll briefly say there were four brothers so far, that three of them wrote songs, two of them were great soviet composers dmitry and days and daniil and samuil who wrote the immortal song from the taiga to the british seas the red army is the strongest of all, he became a great american composer and uh, all the thirties and late twenties he worked in hollywood and there was a lot of that. now, if you take some film there, the great waltz is a famous hollywood film, and strauss yes

, the music arranger had such a dmitry tyomkin composer who is one of the greatest american composers. uh, such well popular music is irving berlin who is generally from the canter family yes came, and they are all natives. here from somewhere here, yes and american from our area and here is american music of the late twenties- thirties. she was very similar, already forties, and she was similar to what our twentieth-thirty composers were doing. i just wanted to tell you nothing more about it, and then you know when you want to bake a bun. you must first uh, sow the bread, uh, compress it to make flour, there and so on. this is an inevitable process. nothing happened, and i had to invent this theater, which we created with david shmelyansky , together with sasha popov, about whom, unfortunately not anymore. we understood that we were doing one

project. and then it will be necessary to move somewhere, because we have done a lot of debts , we did not fully understand what we were getting into. and this is purely autistic, of course, but when you put on a musical, here it is a costly business. and uh , there are debts that need to be repaid. i said that i would die. e, then, when we repay all the debts, so we make the captain he would make her many countries and more than once he forgave the ocean 15 times he drowned the environment. but he never even blinked an eye, and in trouble and in battle he sang everywhere

his song. how to eat, captain of the shark of the ship captain captain, only the brave conquer dear friends, if today we had only the artistic director of the moscow musical theater in front of us, then we could and until the morning, perhaps, in general , sit down, but mikhail efimovich is also a special representative of the president international cultural. yes, we talked with you was very interesting to say. that's all that happens to me, you know, we noticed that the project turned

out to be a musical theater. go to culture and here i somehow brought it, and so, in general, they wanted to make the program, but it suddenly suddenly became popular. yes, something like that, in general fur fomievich. thank you for this mood that you give us , i'm sure you will give us for many years to come. ah. today i watched the broadcast in the morning with you and you were presented with a tie and with the words that mihailovich we know that you collect ties. and you're still in general, no no. no , by no means, and i decided to give you a tie from us with an e-piano, which is in the bushes. oh, here's a tie, yes, and let it be somewhere in your corner will be from us. why? why are we yes, thank you very much, but i understand that you can’t wear it to the ministry of foreign affairs. eh, by virtue of, so to speak, frivolity.

we will make the ministry of happiness and you will be in it. so i'm heading it. you know, i really value the fact that, uh, when 15 years ago sergey lavrov accepted me with his team , and it's really very good because the ministry gave me a lot and some human things and very professional gave a lot . true, friends. thank you it was a podcast, creative industry on the first channel. this is a jubilee issue on the occasion of mikhail shulsky's jubilee. thanks a lot. thanks, goodbye. invite me to my eighty-fifth birthday. okay okay. thank you. big. thank you. this is an easy money podcast, i'm its host mikhail khanov today i'm visiting. anna dengina is an expert of the national center for financial literacy, a lecturer

, a methodologist of financial literacy programs for children of parents. hello anna you know, i have four children, however, the youngest is now 15 years old. and already, it's probably too late to talk about starting, uh, financial literacy. well, i can share such a story, it is clear that there were no programs. then probably 15, there 20 years ago already, especially there 30. here. i'm talking about older children. but when you deal with money yourself, you come to a lot of intuitive, and uh, so i'll just tell you how we solved the problem, buy, buy uh-huh. the kids had their own money. and moreover, practically right there almost from the first grade of the younger ones, but with which they were encouraged to successfully these control tests were successfully passed with excellent marks , only with excellent marks, that is, only fives were encouraged. you know, like ancient greece, only winners get a gold medal, there are all fives, here. there is a small financial reward there, it is thousands or several thousand rubles, but nevertheless, at some point, when the house already turned into

some kind of cluttered fortress there. yes , these are all the small trinkets there, which are just right. it is known that children play with toys emotionally, that any emotional a toy is much more happy, it brings something heaped up a little train or a designer. at some point , a wonderful idea occurred to me. i said guys. you have your own money to buy. he says, buy it, i say, buy it, and you just know how it cut off, yes, that is, they probably don’t need to look. here, probably coffee for something heavy. and that is intuitively. this is the right move. yes, the absolutely correct step is exactly the idea that arose in your head, parental, that here is some kind of insight click, that something needs to be done differently and you are absolutely right to do it, because when children have their own financial resource, their brains also switch, and they begin to really understand what i can do. this is how i can do this and it seems that you no longer need what parents can finance, but you need to think about something more serious there, maybe put it in a piggy bank and so on, so the step is absolutely accurate and cool that you caught right on time this situation and

did so. well, it was no coincidence that she was in rus' a fairy tale when a rich father sent his son to work. every time. there, thanks to that respect for the father, they just gave him money. he threw them out. remember the money, each time the son saw off with an indifferent look, and then he sent some distant village, where he plowed for this gold. there for a whole year there with blood sweat and so on, and then when the father was going to throw him out, but there is no dad. and this gold is very dear to me. yes, it remains, how to start a conversation about money in general, in general , in a good way, when a child already enters economic life. that is, he starts buying something. here he begins to want it for two and a half three years, if the child develops according to the norm. yes, that is, if these are the norms of a typical child, then it starts right early and right into economic life and you begin economic socialization at 2.5-3 years. he can go shopping, he can choose. begins to understand that if he wants something, then it may be something obligatory, what needs to be bought, for example, for the whole family. and that you are sure to me, that is, this story about needs. about his desires here yes, and you

won’t believe it, so i, on my empirical experience as a parent, went into this story of the financial development of children when we were 9 months old. well, that is, it was quite a crumb. so it happened that, well, i was kind of on maternity leave and decided to do it. here is the financial education of children, ended her financial career in the bank. and so i decided that now, as if my children are everything, so my house began to simply acquire various elements of the financial environment, because i became teach other children. there, for example, those who had the senior group in kindergarten, that is, six nine months, that now i’ll tell you, some kind of nipple appeared no, what kind of nipple appeared, for example, some piggy banks, i had several piggy banks, shells appeared, which i used it as material when i explained it to children. here , well, a market day, yes, cowrie plugs, you can exchange and so on, that is, evolution, when we explain and the sea, the child began to interact with it. i started turning to it's attention. i began to show him how to put money in a piggy bank, for example, then at some point he became interested in a wallet. well , that is, there is such a wallet there, yes, as it were,

many parents from this. well, not for you. it's like cubes for adults. no , my car was not attracted by this story about the fact that various elements appeared in the environment of the house, and he drew attention to this. for me. it was important, and we began to interact with him. here we are with the wallet. he got acquainted with the cards. i slowly explained it all. naturally. you went to the store, and the store. here in this mode of broadcasting there with a list of what we will buy, let's look in the refrigerator, what you need to put it in a cart. according to the list, he specially drew such a list with pictures where he could circle, and i directly have an evidence base. for 2.5 years , my eldest child circles what he chooses . now what we need goes to the store in a cart , puts everything, unloads it at the checkout, and so on. well, it causes a lot of emotions in everyone around, but in fact it works. these are the first questions are a boy or a girl of some kind. not not who is faster, listen, it happens differently. well, because here we have a household, four children, yes, and there is also a girl. there are now 9 years old, and she went

into this topic folder already. why in a household? and, because these are children from my husband's first marriage. they. well, family, of course, i know the household, i rather call it professional slang. what? yes, well, well, here are the observations. she entered, a little later, into this, but it manifested itself very cool in such a business context. that is, it turned out so that she directly earned on some of the needs that were laid bare with us. i needed bull plates there. at some point, i became addicted to balls. so i think, damn it, i want plates and ksenia just went to the potter. she made these plates, and we essentially sold them to us. yes, it was unexpected, because as she agreed from the series, she was like that. well, here, i 'll take it in advance from you there. well, we are such wow, but before, in general, i didn’t show much. here, in fact, it is now 6 years old, when they are, as it were, very enterprising due to early. i think including dive in. we don’t steal childhood from them, probably a common question, which is really often a question. i don't think so, and i'm often asked. here, uh, good. you only

talk about money. i say, no, of course, we really have some kind of dialogue about money every day in our lives. well, that is, since we have a lot of situations, this is you situations, of course, but there is always a little bit, but this is not something that i, as it were , edifyingly, i put him at the desk and say. come on, now we're going to have a financial lesson. literacy. i'm sitting there, i'll tell you something. no. it's just such contexts, and i don't think i'm taking away childhood. this is the ordinary life of an ordinary child who lives simply in the economic reality, interacting with money from interacting with this space at this moment. here is a 2 5 year old phrase from parents when they leave the question to pekupi. we do not have money. this is generally a taboo. i am not a supporter of the fact that there is a boo there, that it is not necessary to just taboo, but to explain to the child what you mean by the situation we have no money. well, because i caught myself, for example, on thought that i, too, say this phrase. but by that i mean not that i have no money. and what, for example, but there is no money in the wallet in cash, yes or money, for example, is not planned

now for some additional purchases. yes and so, if you explain to a child the meaning behind that phrase, when you say, when there is no money, this is quite, everything is fine. no here and now yes, especially for small children. this is a hack. everything is very important. please take a piece of paper and write down that we are starting to teach children actually. here, how is it? well, almost from the cradle. well, well, from two to three years old and all situations. you need to beat here now, nothing is postponed for later, and the question is not what to refuse, but to explain why you do it and the children understand, of course, the children understand, well, i’ll tell you an example again with my own how we entered the history of savings pocket money and so on. well, in general , it is recommended to start giving pocket money there in the range from five to eight years. we started a little early, but that was the situation we had a ritual, we went with him. well, there, a couple of times a week after kindergarten, we go to the shopping center to buy cars, and at some point we come, and he says, my mother doesn’t want

a car there, i want the base of the paw patrol, this is the base of the paw patrol, which costs 7 1 / 200 rub. well, the child was not yet 3 years old. i say, dear, it's great, but i won't buy the base for you now. look how big it is, it will fit all your cars. she costs a lot of money. now i'm not ready to pay so much money. well he's like such. well, how upset i am. i say, but you and i can save there, what is saving, we can not buy cars, we will all put this money in a piggy bank. yes, everything on this, as it were, ended, the story is in the moment. we came home so that he agreed, yes, that is, he understood, well, how would i have it sometime there it is not clear when it is good, well, in any case, they bought a car that day, yes, that is, i still have with empty hands. we came home, and we made a big piggy bank out of the box with our own hands. all there they painted it, pasted a base on it to remove her patrol, and i went in. that's where those same pocket money, yes, that is, i started giving him 200 rubles there. at the beginning of the week it was all so a little artificial. here i give you. well, because otherwise, he will forget him and

now this story is not super updated. here, and for a long time we saved up, then i raised it there to 500 rubles. to save up quickly when i saw that interest was already being lost. well, after a while there a couple of months. he probably accumulated it arose this sum of seven and a half thousand. we took it out of the piggy bank. we have added a tracker. that is, we wrote down what we put in the piggy bank there i told them. naturally, she helped him introduce all this there. here he got it. i say, well, class. you can buy a paw patrol base, or you can not buy it, you can spend it on something else given the opportunity to choose. yes, here she is. and so he chose the resource of the pipe. he did not choose a father. why patrol. we didn't buy it. he spent it on some of his toys, then he had some other ideas arose. but this is the very essence of what he accumulated, what he was able to do, what he was waiting for. it was a very cool question, and the money went. a piggy bank just after the passage of some time or for something was an additional motivation. this story was not. well , that is, it was just what we call

pocket money, which is given unconditionally for weeks, and on fridays 200 rubles. then 500 rubles. it's just that's definitely money, and now it also continues. it’s just that now he already has more interests in this, when it became clear, already a little older in age, what well, it seems that i want more , then we began to come up with some ideas, what else is possible, well, already see how the labor income for this or what? yes, then i actively introduced a block just for children's financial education, and i asked him to give it and you will pose for me like uh. well, how about as a photographer? i will take a picture and a 200 rubles. here is one right for the photo shoot, where i chose several high-quality photos. i also added this to his piggy bank. well, as ideas, now he already has quite a few different ideas. he now even such a small business has started its own. here, well, that is, this is the developing part. dad takes part, of course, but since dad is also yes, there is a financial market financier and he is also very interested in this whole story with children. he comes up with

different contexts too. for example, now, uh, yes , he is not very fond of gymnastics. well, just so professionally, yes, that is, he is already entering the competition. here he is progressing, he has certain records. well, for example, he is now the last record 20 times he began to pull himself up. here 's dad, as if spontaneously, without my approval , he decided that 2,000 from mom 2,000 from dad for just such an achievement of yours. well, that's how he filled up. actually now for 4,000 piggy bank of his dream. he's saving up straight a lot of 42.000 for an atv. and he has a little left. in general, here is such a question, in principle from the language, has the situation ever happened, you know how it generally happens, probably, in the families that you advise. mom, then conducts strict accounting control of 500 rubles. so a week then he comes, dad says, well, you have 1,000 rubles on you, son. you are great, absolutely. this story is the same. i'm more like in our family, and the topic is more of an accountant who likes to calculate here. planning for a shorter term, my husband is a strategist.

here he sits down once a year and draws an excel table with our budget. let's see what kind of strategic savings rate we have this year, that's all, and we don't set standards for this anymore. maybe savings. you are even my difficult audience. now it will go into the bag. we can postpone. e for your financial goals, for example, or for an airbag, how would it end. well, that is, conditionally there, so we looked at the budget, figured out, there there, we want to go there some more big expenses, and we understand that there is conditionally 15% of our income. we can certainly postpone. this is what is called what happens after all . in this situation, when well, there is one of the parents, let it be the mother in this case, that is, she goes under strict control of something 500 rubles. and here comes daddy strategy. as he says, well, son, you are done, you will support 20. here's 2,000 for you, and the child gets for these 500 rubles. per month. i'd rather pull up. papa walk. well , this is really very vital. yes, and in different ways, sometimes manifestations manifest themselves in different ways in such situations, for example, now dad, when he announced that 2,000 rubles. for

pulling up. i am like that. well, you know what dear? get out of your budget. me, too , these 2.000. and i'm like he's not there for me. well, in general, i asked him to finance these 4,000 rubles. but because it's real in my personal budget, as it were, well, this is some kind of spontaneous story. here it is necessary to negotiate, of course, it is necessary at some point to clarify certain rules with grandmothers. this is often the case too. they just like to finance something. there's some money to give for something. what's an envelope, huh? what is unacceptable, for example, in a family, that's why we need to discuss, of course, we need to agree. and this does not just happen, because my grandmothers are offended, maybe the transition or you have switched or you advise from the cash form, non-cash is an excellent question. i am a supporter of that the card must be driven at the age of nine or eight, that is, when the child is already sufficiently formed. neural connections and he understands, including some responsibility for the fact that this is a financial product. yes, she's personal. besides, he's great at it. well, learn to count. and this is the feeling of texture.

yes, money is a commodity that can be exchanged, that they can be examined banknotes. there geography is a must. and now, i think that up to 8-9 years. it should definitely be in cash, because it is important for children to live this one. an invoice on personal relationships and understand, yes, they wrote down the money, that up to 8-9 years old , it is the tactile sensations of money that are very important, that this is an exchange commodity, that this is a certain product for which you can buy any other goods, it is very important for tatyana's birthday doronina and everyone in moscow, go there, too, the ends are not close. that's how i always go. your suitcase looks good. you in the spring, i would not

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this is a question. well, really, as parents, he himself is within the framework of his own rules. yes, he wants to do it, but my position is about what is interesting, what is happening there. it is interesting to look at the invoice. that's how you spent, what questions do you have. but this, among other things, forms a dialogue, yes, and here is the ability to talk about money in general, but to convey the idea that this is in general, you don’t need to spend stopudovo, or you did a bad job on this one. it seems to me that this is wrong, because this is the decision they have to make. if given from what age i always recommend that as soon as the child has his own money , a cashback should appear. well, that is, conditionally , the book is a notebook there for six, but six or seven years. this, of course, is learning to write, of course, it can be just a piece of paper, yes, it can be some kind of financial quite a lot of such texture. it could be a notebook which he did himself, you drew graphs there, and so on, but it

structures very well. generally the brain that the money came. and here they are spent on this, and so on. well, it actually forms the habit of entrepreneurial skills, or still entrepreneurship. these are some, i don’t know, like god’s gift of sparks. accept propensity predisposition because not every child leads a widget will become an entrepreneur. maybe it helps with understanding or it's aside , you know, it seems to me that i am now without sarc. yes, i understand perfectly. and it seems to me that this is a little really different skills. and this one here is the ability to fix. it's more about some accounting news that may come in handy, if the child has developed this one. well, that's the creative potential fuse of this tool, including help. actually, the question is this, this is, uh, routine, the introduction of money. here on it will be it does not kill. this is the flight of fancy. it seems to me that if you make it interesting. well, that is, conditionally paste stickers and take markers. yes, there to introduce some kind of creative context, it will be cool. if it's straight, you have to sit down to write down

the accounting there, of course, it will kill. yes, that's why children need to pronounce this element of the game of creativity there to paint something like that with paints. well, it's a tool. which is important not to turn into a goal and an end in itself. this is just one of the tools that helps adults understand that this is not an end in itself, in principle, yes, that is, it is a tool that allows. there's a better move to financial. goals and so on. and in children. same story. they should learn how to use this tool in childhood, when they run out of pocket money . good question. yet again. i think every family is different. here we must understand that again there is some official history. the child can officially start earning himself. here 's the money. yes, when he pays taxes on them and at the age of 14. yes, then we all know the figure of 18 years, when we are required by law, well , to support children, at least at some minimum there. yes, and then we understand that there is still a certain human norm, there and so on, when parents, well, all the same

, during the formation of a child, even if he is no longer a child, but somehow helps him. here the question is this coverage. uh, let's say the cost of existence, or it's just karma. that is, after 18 that's what you think, this is the closure of the need, and then listen, dear. well, if you want to have money, please, work if we call money pockets money that we give conditionally to a child for wishlist. and all of it such a base part is closed by some money, which we, for example, will call the parent base. yes, that is, for his needs, then pocket money, however, should end exactly before the age of 18, or even earlier. yes, that is, well, my, for example, parental goal is that they will end, somewhere around 14, exactly, because for example, my life path. yes, and my financial maturation was about the fact that at 14 i started to earn money myself and i didn’t have any essence. here, a la pocket money do not want to earn. i worked as a coach for small children in sports aerobics. it was

my first part-time job, and then work. well, in the store, yes, they taught at school and work. yes, and some combined in the evening. yeah well, i m. i've been training. i have had your occupation for a long time. yes, but it's not like it 's taken out of context. then, during the holidays, i worked part-time, for example, as a salesman in a stationery store. well , i have some of those. yes, the story was your personal desire, or it was a help to your parents. i have a question for you. yes money in the family enough and my parents did not provoke me to earn these. and solnechnogorsk is the moscow region. well, i had a personal desire to get out, as if in such financial independence, what was it? yes, why. i remember, of course, we went to the competitions in the united states of america and i came with some such a changed worldview in general about the market economy, and the ninety-eighth. so i decided that it seems that i want to start doing something,

because i want the opportunity to buy more and somehow see the world there. well, it's understandable that i started to look at the world later, but in general it was a very strong exit for me. here is from the framework of that life. in which i lived, well, then you went to study, yes, then i had a fairly standard story. well, that is, i graduated from school in the context of earning money. you continued to earn. when we went to study. of course, my parents helped me for some time , but this feeling that you yourself are doing something and earning money was very important for me from the first year. i worked, right now with a work book officially. yes, here you have slipped to provide. there, under 18 years old, the situation is reversed. children should help their parents. i don’t have a ready-made answer there, that this is how it should be or talk about it. and we have such a culture, in general, mutual assistance.

yes, that is, of course, what we explain. here we help grandmother, for example, there we help, there all grandmothers, we help some other people. and this is the culture of mutual assistance about charity, including it is present, we are discussing it. out to we go in and participate in some kind of charity races and so on. will some context be grown here that he will help there when hmm becomes an adult. well, i don't know, it's hard for me to say it in such a way as to press in this direction and speak. that's where you have to help. tra-ta-ta, because it’s so established, rather not, because this idea doesn’t respond to me myself, yes, that is , i want him to either understand, thanks to the culture of upbringing, that it’s good, that it’s right on some i saw this in examples, if he reads that it is good and right. yes, like this, to directly say that you owe and owe it, probably, well , it contradicts my values, including, but returning to the topic of teenagers and money, depending on the time period. yes, it's weekly.