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will be late and we will soon go to voronezh for the competition. goodbye. thank you be healthy. excuse me, i won't be able to accompany you. can i go to work? goodbye.

goodbye. anything can happen. fine. you won’t immediately understand what’s going on. but it’s just that the summer rain passed normally; the summer rain will flash in the crowd ; a familiar face will flash in the crowd; cheerful eyes will run into them

at home i have a ring, and in it the garden ring and a summer thunderstorm sparkle. and i'm walking around moscow, but in life i'm a young man. are you screaming? i sing. citizen come here. why i will spread the white sail around moscow i don’t know yet.

hello, i'm still dmitry bug, i still host a literary podcast with a very catchy name. let them talk. let today's issue be read by a very special one, because this year we are celebrating the anniversary of a wonderful poet. rasula kobzova,

it’s hard to say, he’s russian avar dagestan soviet poet, he is the poet of the planet. i am convinced of this and that is why we decided to talk in rasul gamzatov, this is the anniversary year and that is why there are wonderful important people among our guests, first of all, of course. this is the daughter of rasul gamzatov and salikhat rasulovna gamzatova is the director of the dagestan museum of fine arts named after. e, patimat saidovna gamzatova. hello salikhat rasulovna. also our guest today is the actor of the nikolaev moscow theater anatoly prosalov hello anatoly, hello. dmitry let's start uh, salikhat rasulovna and um. i know that the self-name of our podcast has something to do with rasul gamzatov. so tell me let them not talk. let

them read. i remembered that i had such an incident with my dad on his eightieth birthday , they showed films about him. and i once saw him asking and he didn’t really like it, and then the schoolchildren came and read his poems, and i saw that he was very touched and i was somehow surprised and asked him what, dad? why were you here when the film was shown? do you somehow i didn’t really like it, but when they read and it was so difficult to say here. why show me? let him read. so it's almost almost. here we will assume that our podcast is named with a quote from rasul gamzatov , which is pleasantly wonderful. well, of course you have absolutely invaluable experience, because you grew up in a wonderful family. uh, artists and creators, and i would like to first hmm hear your story about your grandfather about gamzat

tsa-dassa gamzatsa dasa, absolutely legendary dagestan. eh, poet, activist, cultures told you about him. who is it for you, of course, for mega, paragraph dosa, first of all grandfather. but when i was born and was no longer there, he died, but uh, that’s why he was so followed, yes , perceiving, but i always saw, firstly, how randomly he told his father with great respect and uh, the search has a very interesting creation, if that’s the ethical , yes. and what he seems to hear is that when his father is not there, he asks a question. this is who i am now afraid of, who to obey, and as if i hear the voice of my mother, who is also no longer alive, that he just has to be old and just listen to him, that is, this is for

his father. and you are such a criterion of what one should be and dad was a very uh, such a devoted son, he was not obedient , they said there, that’s him. um, that's his sister over there. you understand that he was not a good helper in the house, so to speak, but he was a very devoted son. and he even told a story that when he was little, his grandfather went. eh, hmm well, i won’t give you a relationship. yes , there is a khunzakh, therefore, because the healing of the father. yes yes outsa, yes, i even know the name caucasian from the garden, right? well, little daddy always went to meet him and one day in the winter, somehow my grandfather stayed late and his dad was sitting waiting for him, and he even froze and uh, so to speak, my future other grandfather, my mother’s father, he walked and saw.

he picked up this frozen child and brought him home . maybe this is where it all started, perhaps there is some connection. well, he turned out to be a very good family. yes, here we are just saying, that’s what i thought. this is how the little boy sits, waiting, and he gradually falls asleep, but he doesn’t go home, where it’s warm, but he wants to wait for his dad. yes? this is so touching. we just see, uh, gamzatsa dosa and khandulai gaidar gadzhievna, and his wife and your grandmother and i think that this is a great photo, look at the faces. and outwardly he was a very attractive man. he was so real. the highlander is always smart and there are a lot of people like that about him. eh, memories indeed. i have legends. he , uh, lived most of the time in the village, but then he was given an apartment, and on the main

street of makhachkala, uh, and so on. it was lenin avenue, now it is rasul avenue gamzatova near the square. and where the government house should have been. there was then a market there and the grandfather of many people who came to makhachkala and had nowhere to live for the night. according to this mountain tradition, he invited a cult guest to his home, yes, that is, a person who goes to the house, and then there were people who, well, received some of their relatives, and there were just people nearby who turned out like this uh, without blood, they probably didn’t lead everyone to them after all. my grandfather was such a person. he was left an orphan early and was brought up in the house of his uncle, uh, an arabist , and maybe, that’s why, as it were, seeing life from the inside out. but this one can do this, therefore, this is the cucumber code. he was

very observant. it is very important. this is already history. now it's time to talk. about the museum that you head is the dagestan museum of fine arts named after patimat saidovna. and gamzatova. well, here we see rasul gamzatovich. and we also have a photograph of the gamzatov spouses in yours, mom and dad. this one is beautiful these photos are funny, just like they were taken. tell me, well, this is our teaching famous photographer chutuev, and he has some photography business, then it means questions. he said, i don’t remember, even this camille feels or dad said, come on, that’s why she was in the kitchen idiopar. let's take off under the burka, and she also laughed like that. yes, the burka is very big, yes, but it swings open. yes, and he said just like that, come on, just like that,

that means go to the selection. yes, she also dared , there was such an artist, he was very good at playing up the situation funny, and he did it like that called. they were right there watching when they filmed this? we didn't even think that it would be published somewhere. so they somehow, damn it, bourke’s hat and tie, you don’t even notice right away, but it’s very harmonious, but the most important thing is that these people are happy. yes, because rising nuclear is, of course, a muse. e rasula gamzatovich is not only a wife, but also the muse of inspiration for her poems, and the sun in the museum. yes, this is her brainchild, interesting. yes, that means we had a local history museum, and not in 1958 they adopted a resolution to create an art museum, because at that time there were already many artists and , uh, in the thirties a large collection of russian and

western european art, including paintings, was transferred to the local history museum, and in the fifty-eighth year the museum of fine arts opened, and strangely enough, although this is what it is. it would seem like a beautiful organization, well, until the year sixty-four. there were six shifts there. and here are about five or six or seven directors, 6 years, yes, practically. so why did they change so much and didn’t want to get involved in museums, i don’t know who the fuck is, well that means very much like that they took turns and there seemed to be no one who wanted to do this, and my mother went there, but she turned out to be a very good leader, and she herself told the story. that when she came, she was surprised that uh, hmm , money was allocated for the purchase of exhibits, and they were written off due to non-use, that, as if they were not engaged in this collecting activity. well, of course, this activity has developed, and we have all the collections

of decorative and applied art. very good very good people do not preserve, i will tell you the objects of the museum fund, how museum worker is about 19. uh, now, uh, thousands of units. but, well, when my mother passed away i was 16 and something great. well, only silver, here we have 7,000 units of metals. this is a special storage mode. yes, you and i know how to save boxes. well, these are 7,000 declination units. they were put together perfectly with her. we mentioned that we would listen to poetry today, and performed by anatoly prosalav. now this one has come for us, and now we’ll listen to a poem, uh, which is dedicated to the mother , it’s called mother, because uh mother for rasul gamzatov and in general, for people from the caucasus this is, uh, something absolutely sacred. so anatoly

prosalov reads the mother’s poem. as a mountain boy, i was not tolerable , not a rumor in the family circle, and with the stubbornness of adults i rejected all your instructions, but the years passed and i, who was involved in them, did not shy away from fate. but now i’m often shy, like a little kid in front of you. here we are alone in the house today, i no longer melt in my heart, and i bow my gray head on your palms. i'm sad mom. it's sad, mom. i am a prisoner of the stupid vanity and my i’ve felt so little attention in my life, you ’re spinning on a noisy merry-go-round, just a little bit, but suddenly your heart shrinks again. really? i started

to forget my mother. and you lovingly bear the reproach, looking anxiously at me, you will sigh, as if you had inadvertently shed a tear. the secret armored star, sparkling in the sky, flies on its final flight. do you have your boy in the palm of your hand? he lays his gray head, perhaps it would be appropriate to ask you. well, how did it happen that you began to read poetry by rasul gamzatov professionally? what happened to you when you began to read poetry brine gamzatov, what about translation? do you know if you were interested? all in all? tell us a little about this terrible curiosity. you know, as if from the other end there are no families. yes, not from dagestan, but from your side. it seems to me that like most, let’s say, soviet children.

we all started with the cranes, because i am the grandson of front-line soldiers, my grandfather fought, my grandmother was sent to a labor camp and the theme of the great patriotic war is very close to our family, and that’s why the song cranes has been heard since childhood, and always once you hear tears welling up. well, you know the song, but even as a child you don’t understand who the author is, you don’t show interest in it, and already interest in rasul gamzatov and the realization that the song was written based on the poems of rasul gamzatov . i learned this in high school, when near the school in my native in lugansk, in the park at the tomb of the unknown soldier , a monument to the cranes was erected and there is a quote, of course, a quote. eh, there is a red army soldier turning into cranes, a very touching monument and dancing. tata is not in the ground. they fell down once, and turned into white cranes, so i even speak and this melody sounds inside

, these words sound. you remember them, you know them, and probably the most famous lines of gamzatov’s pickle and maybe, well, those that have absorbed a lot of meanings. it's not even literature. isn't that right? this is something more than literature. this is already a particle. each of us has it inside, and therefore, without this victory day, makhachkala in dagestan was in makhachkala, uh. here's an amazing story in 2010. we were on tour with the gogol theater, and uh, we already saw a monument was erected, and the taxi driver who uh, cycling bragged and talked about us, and rasul gamzatov, our famous poet tovarsky and lenin avenue were renamed in his honor, which is absolutely right and we wow, how interesting and at the end of the tour the administration of makhachkala there to all the participants of the theater actors

presented a gift. it was a collection of poems. and then i read the collection for the first time, i already looked at some things and selected them for myself, thinking that maybe someday i ’ll read them somewhere from the stage. and now, actually, later almost 13 years. it's great that a good story has emerged, really. challenge last days at the box office. of course, you can then watch it on a computer monitor on your phone. or on tv but this is not the same , have time to see the call the way it should be seen on a huge screen with amazing sound. we

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remember, what is the story? my sister told me that he had a classmate who was so sad for something. here's my mom's okay, 3 days. so i’m paying for the procedure , crying offline, dad and it’s okay. yes, i remember, even once my mother came back and said, i’m telling you, we had a fight at school that you didn’t sign my diary, and she signed it for me 2 months in advance. and another month ahead. this is wonderful. you can get deuces. and here is a wonderful photo of the gamzatov family and here are the three sisters. yes, yes and again it is clear that these are happy people. yes, maybe tell your sisters where you are, well, mom’s older sister. and here is the sister just a classmate who was crying, we didn’t understand, fuck why

is she crying chekhov’s three sisters? yes yes, let's now, according to tradition, let’s move on to the author’s section, and in this section we either read that something is from the classics of the 19th century. ahh, we either comment on some poems, also classic ones , or show books, this section is called old book. well, it’s somehow not very correct to talk about the gamzator, as this book is about old books that are alive, which are with us, but still they were published a long time ago. here it is in my hands. eh, three collections. eh, rasula gamzatova is just from my bookshelf. as is always the case, the museum objects are not stored in the museum. and these are just my own books. literally a few words. here they are, and one of them is a book that is being created by soviet russia and the star speaks like a star, and for those who know, uh, poetry, it is clear that

the year sixty-four is the year of the sixties. this is the year of the popularity of andrei voznesensky, the white modulina evgeniy yevtushenko was so okudzhava and very important that in the sixty -fourth year. here in the same series of publications. uh, a book. uh, rasula gamzatova and this is a very, uh, important fact. this means that he is already in the clip not only avar dagestan literature , but also in russian literature, and the second book, uh, which i would like to show, is a book that was published in a series of collections that meant high awards. here are the poems for this book. eh, high stars. it's called the stars again. by the way, i just realized this, high stars. this is a book from childhood by soviet writers. it came out a little later , a few years after the first, but this is already a book by a lenin prize laureate, that is , several years pass and rasul gamzatov becomes such, uh, a recognized poet a classic during his lifetime, one might say, if i want

to add, after all, gamzatov has his own view and attitude. this is also gagarin's taste and name and so on. very fashionable. this is a braid. theme and he has high stars, but these are people, people, high stars. if only i could give it to you, it would be great if they remembered this. i was born in the year sixty-one, so in my generation everyone was yury, that is , there were a lot of yuryev because gagarin is an absolutely iconic figure. and, of course, there's this headline. eh, the spirit of the times and here is the dagestan the book is also very interesting. and again here is space as long as the earth rotates. by the way, the poem, and of course, he has, of course, i think, maybe now we’ll do it, yes, that is, we see that it’s no coincidence that this is the formulation of the poet and the planet, because rasul gamzatov, based on the values ​​of family and traditional, rural mountaineers. he

, of course, goes into orbit if we continue this style, this book was published already in the seventies in makhachkala but in russian, which is important and the translators may be important. remember, as far as i know, translations were made into russian by his classmates at the literary institute, yakov kozlovsky , naum grebnevym, and it seems to me that the wide audience is precisely in their translations, sunny , accurate, and understandable to the russian reader. eh, i don’t know whether you will say this later or not, but i would like to say that rasul gamzatov did a lot for the avar people. he translated pushkin's poems, of course, and introduced them to them. here, uh yesenina come on, yakov kozlovsky comes to mind with grebnev, of course, these are the classics, but they translated all this a lot translators. yes, of course, the hryvnia

kazusky translations were not surpassed even by such outstanding poets. eh, simonov and robert rozhdestvensky, that’s why they translated him and you can see the snow and elena nikolaevskaya i live a classmate who translated her on the street. yes , indeed, many poets translated it into moretz, well, well-known ones translated it , marina anatolyevna akhmedova was also a very good poet, and uh, she worked for many years. now he heads our dagestan soviet writers. and now recently oruttin translated the poem for dad, that yes, it continues, that is, yes, not what was translated. we are talking about translations that continue, some people themselves transport dad and very unsuccessfully and for some reason from russian to russian, which is completely sad. yes, well, you know, on the one hand. it's sad on the other hand. this is slava, the people's poet. yes

, anatoly, you promised us the elements. okay , i'm sorry, please. eh, the same ones as long as the earth turns. i drank the sun like people drink water, walking across the highlands of years towards the red sunrise, following the red sunset in the edge of the steep and proud peaks, where the hearts i drank with special fervor the stars from the mountain rivers from the cold springs, drank from the blue heavenly cup in the green thickets and meadows. i drank air greedily. the sweetest infused with clouds. i drank snowflakes where the paths intertwined over the steepness and i remember the snowflakes that i sipped melted along the way. i drank well. when the ashes bake in the mountains, here and there, where the north is strong in degrees, i drank frost like they drink vodka, when i drank thunderstorms. whose glory to the lands

the road seemed to sparkle at the top edge of the glass, the rainbow and again the rosehip brought together. hops oozed from the dark rocks, i climbed on krucha he inhaled the intoxicating smells with his earthen scythe. i reveled, blessed her destiny , fell in love, was killed more than once and drank songs, as i sang in a song. the nature of the human soul is complex. i drank with friends at the same time, in an hour of joy, buza made from honey in an hour of grief, bitter wine. and if i drank with my heart, i didn’t drink for fun, and at those hiroshima i saw ashes and the festival and heard laughter and, blowing sharply, as if on beer, to blow away the empty foam, i drank the essence of life. she is not false, she is truthful

to life, the essence is i love and rejoice and suffer and i drink every day to the dregs and again i feel thirsty and life alone is to blame for this, let me leave the world. one day i didn’t quench my thirst in it, but people did. thirst for this thirst as long as the earth turns. wonderful. thank you very much, in my opinion, it is very consistent with the nature of these lines. yes, this is a translation by yakov kozlovsky, this is kozlov, this is kozlovsky, of course. kozlovsky is one of the best translators and think about it. what poem? indeed, there are a lot of them, yes, they are named here. and the photograph is very consistent with the darkness, because this man is flying. as a matter of fact, and the collections that are called to the stars and the stars are mentioned, of course, what does he see in the mountains. eh, in the caucasus the sky and stars are like unclean, so there is a world of transparent air

, such farsightedness and at the same time hospitality. family kindness. here’s another thing that ’s important, yes, i just like this kind of poetry. there was even such a famous poem and song: yellow leaves, leaves. everything falls, people trample with galoshes , trample with galoshes in a line, or people have forgotten how much good these leaves once crushed on them. i know that new leaves will form and new gatherings will appear, but for some reason i feel a lot and seems to be the unjust laws of nature. you see, it’s so touching to write about these leaves. yes, and he seemed to have found something new for him, well, autumn. they fell, that even there they had to have new feelings , and he felt such cruel pity for these loved ones that people forgot how much good they once gave them such love even for what they seemed to understand , what is this?