cultures are difficult, how not to strangle them? this is the artist’s desire to create. and at the same time, do not drive him into the stall of all the prohibitions that exist in this and this is generally the subtlety of management. eh, there is nothing else, so censorship in one form or another is generally in society with a person, the question is whether it is necessary to add some mechanisms. i am always very afraid of experts for one simple reason. eh, i have endless respect for experts, not my own selfish ones. this is all untrue. the expert focuses on existing knowledge. we are speaking, that there is land there. revolving around the sun yes, but people said no, the sun is some date some time, when they said this, they weren’t lying. it wasn't like that. there it was not an order from the cia; it was the available knowledge of that time. and this is a very serious

thing. we continue our conversation with you today on the creative industry podcast roman karmanov, podcast host and ceo of the presidential fund for cultural initiative elena hyper, producer and music video director. he's visiting mikhalych today let's go back to that interesting moment. in my opinion, when the swedish minister of culture decided that at the same time he would also host a program on television, and we remember. why, in order to find out the question, is this number burned out? this is the plan, it justified itself in the end or not? you know, eh? when i generally went that, and then, when i went, because the handle of the federal agency in the culture of cinematography, uh, the budget of the ministry of designation and number squeezed out another thing, that

this time, too, the budget there is still being filled, uh, everything worked. uh, taxes were collected, and, in principle, the country's budget was significantly larger. yes, but our own, uh, our little budget. yes, uh, i tried. uh, increase it as much as possible because i'll tell you. so. it is also very important for them to have good relations with their government colleagues. i, too, was a man from the box and therefore some things were forgiven to me, because when the issue was discussed, for example, i don’t know about the development of the automobile industry there. uh aviation industry agriculture, and at the end. i say drag it but you must understand that in general there is a catastrophe in the country, we don’t have english horn performers, not ourselves, but our loved ones, do you understand? yes, anxiety in general, the desire to kill me is far away, but nevertheless. uh, a serious thing in

fact, and uh, to be honest, and that’s why there was a sin in the government even then and kudrin well, and all the colleagues of president vladimirovich putin and they all supported many projects that would have been without such it was once impossible for human beings to make reconstructions of the big one you have. well this is the worst thing the worst dream in my life was this, then we gave it a start and away we go. this is the minister of culture, this is the minister who should bring only good news , there were many good projects and the shelter of the comedian and life is beautiful and cultural- revolution and so on, but it is still clear that it is fulfilling a task, a certain one, and so on, but it is also popular did it matter? after which project e did you feel this way, generally speaking, and through the star too? and it was important to you, but i always laugh. well, a tv star. i'm still a little uh, well, i

i live a slightly different life. i don’t live a television life at all and i am grateful, how can i say, to my television colleagues and konstantin lvovich vera that oleg borisovich dobreeva to everyone, that they put up with me, as if, like a person, in general, yes, the person was written like that as a butler, i’m a little, well, an outsider in this matter. but i watched with great pleasure hello comedians and in so much of the tabloid press, when suddenly direct contacts arise, you communicate and these stories and people who are next to you everyone loves the country and you are with them and it was such a breath, but human for me. this was very, very important, because the person did not need it. here is the contact. here he is an artist, here he is who he is, and you gave this to people and seriously not very much. i really liked this project of yours and your charisma. people remembered you, you, you really are the producer

of your artistic self. i would say, yes , you did it very consciously, as it now turns out, and you did it for a purpose that had a beneficial effect. as a result, for your entire apparatus, when we made the moscow musical theater, i understood perfectly well that we would never make a broadway seam. what if? no, i deliberately didn’t want to. we can't make promotion gone because we are working on pushkinskaya square. we can do a show on pushkin square. uh, i mean, now it’s not the quality, but the relationship with the public, you know, because in everything that we do there in the theater, what seems to me is important, we need to do some simple , clean things, this is the most important quality today, or what? or you can’t deceive people in your passion. i immediately love that old

country that i first heard there. i'm probably in my fifth year now. i love you, this is one of my most. a successful interview on the culture channel was with elena the magical giant, that is, the greatest singer who sang lilies of the valley. eh, for which then the next day they came out to eat, like the defeat of the newspaper, the truth, that’s why. eh, i love variety shows, i loved variety shows. how is it that many people love and have loved and will love the stage, but the musical theater is an exception? they ruled our country. although any television project, if it includes a musical part related to our past, it immediately becomes popular, everyone

knows this very well, but at the same time, well, you know, the project was closed. life is beautiful at some point, i felt that i really wanted it. eh, do something like this in this direction and here it’s my misfortune. i read. uh, the story about the brothers, i’ll color it, i’ll briefly say that there were four brothers so far, that three of them wrote songs, two of them were great soviet composers dmitry and days and daniel and samuel who wrote the immortal song from taiga to the british seas of the red army is the strongest, he became a great american composite and uh, throughout the thirties and the end of the twenties he worked in hollywood and there was a lot of this. now, if you take a film there, the great waltz is a famous hollywood film, and strauss yes , the music arranger was dmitry tiomkin, a composer who is one of

the greatest american composers. eh, such, well, popular music is irving berlin , who is actually from the cantera family. yes, he came, and they are all natives. it’s from somewhere around here, and american music from our region, and here’s american music from the late twenties and thirties. it was very similar even to the forties, and uh, it was similar to what our composers did in the twentieth and thirty. i just wanted to say nothing more about it, and then you know, when you want to finish the bun. you must first, uh, sow the bread, uh, squeeze it into flour, make it, there, and so on. this is an inevitable process. nothing worked out, and i was forced to invent this theater, which we created with david shmelyansky together with sasha popov, who unfortunately no longer exists. we understood that we were doing one project. and then we will need to move somewhere, because we incurred a lot of debts, we did not fully

understand, what he was leaving for. and this is purely adventurous, of course, but when you stage a musical, it’s an expensive business. and, uh , debts appear; they must be repaid. i said that i would die. uh, then, when we pay off all the debts, so we do he would have done her many countries and more than once he forgave the ocean 15 times he drowned among but never even with an eye blinked, and in trouble and in battle he hummed his captain’s song everywhere.

captain captain, only the brave conquer dear friends, if only the artistic director of the moscow musical theater were in front of us today, then we could probably sit down until the morning, in general, but mikhail efimovich is also the special representative of the president for international cultural affairs. yes, the conversation we had with you was very interesting, i must say. that's all that happens to me these days, yes, but i generally treat it as if i were watching some kind of movie that is not with i generally understand, well, we noticed that, well, you know, i wanted to do a project, it turned out to be a musical theater. you know, they wanted to find a little money for

culture here, and then somehow they brought it, and so, in general, they wanted to do the program, but it suddenly became popular. yes, something like this, in general, mikhail and fomievich. thank you for this mood that you give us and have given us , i am sure you will give us many more years to come, and life. i watched the broadcast with you this morning and they gave you a tie and said that mikhail viktorovich, we know that you collect ties. and you still, in general, no. no, in no case, and i decided to give you a tie from us with the piano, which is in the bushes. you see, here’s a tie, and let’s have it somewhere in your corner from us. why why? i'm very grateful to you? yes, thank you very much, but i understand that you can’t wear it to the ministry of foreign affairs. uh, due to, so to speak , frivolity uh happiness, and you will

lead it in this tie you know, i really value the fact that uh, when 15 years ago me uh, sergei lavrov accepted his team. and i’m really very good at this, because my ministry is a lot of human things and, in general, a lot of professional things. yes friends. thank you this was a podcast about the creative industry on channel one. this is an anniversary issue on the occasion of mikhailovich's anniversary. thank you very much. thank you. goodbye. call me before your eighty-fifth birthday. yes ok. thank you very much. hello, this is the podcast triggers and with you its hosts tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologist

psychotherapist and psychologist psychotherapist sergey for himself and our guest lyudmila , hello. hello lyudmila tell us what you came to us with. the thing is that i am not satisfied with the way i live, a lot of people have an excellent start. now they are making money publicly. and while i was on maternity leave. i have a child. i was also involved in the information business and even some things worked out for me, but i just can’t accept the fact that those people with whom we, for example, started studying together. they seem to have everything lined up better financially, i don’t have either moreover, the results that i did were also quite good, but i still devalued them. and against the background of this, i somehow went to work for hire. and i have a good job. what are we doing now, but hmm, if you imagine that i will be there all my life, it really upsets me. i want a rich, good life, they are

average and that’s right for me. well , i can’t accept the fact that i ’ll live my whole life. this is how i live now, although i live in a normal background. i constantly periodically there are some swings that i don’t like this street on which i live, i don’t like that i don’t rest, there five times a year, as i want. that is, it seems, i’m trying to come to an agreement with you to say that well, i’ll see, you have a good job there. you have a car there. you have something, but in general, maybe because of this information noise, that there is always someone more successful, someone richer. you look, but i turn out to look and compare this comparison. it makes me uncomfortable too, because all the results which i had. i just erase them to zero because someone has better results. i have brains. i understand that there will always be a person who will be better , more efficient, richer, more beautiful, younger, but at the emotional level. i can't accept the fact

that, well, that i live the way i do. and at the emotional level, you mean envy, yes, perhaps envy, sometimes, resentment, resentment towards myself, resentment that i couldn’t do what they could manage, and at some point i broke down. well, i still had a two-year-old child then. i was on maternity leave. i i just couldn’t manage the time rationally, and then i even blamed myself that , firstly, i couldn’t cope as a mother , it turns out that the child lacked attention at some moments, and as a professional i also couldn’t cope, because i couldn’t just build it correctly time and resource are, first of all, just a resource, and now even i have now fit into the new training again. and honestly, i’m very scared, because i’m afraid that i won’t have enough resources. that is, i have such a childish interest that i need what i see in it the possibility that thanks to this, maybe now it will work out. yes, in a different environment

with other mentors there, so to speak, but scary. what can i do not psychologically bring this out again? that is, i had some kind of fear. that is, i start training and go through literally three classes and then i have a fear that i won’t be able to do everything, as if some kind of defensive reaction. as i understand it, there have already been a lot of these trainings. yes, just like that. they smiled when they said that you wrote for the next training. why the next one because there were them? it turns out, probably, the fourth or fifth, but in one of the trainings. there was a two-year program. and you can constantly study there, and i made a lot of attempts there. i thought that it would definitely work out there, but literally there was some third or fourth lesson and that’s it. i'm just blown away. i first have motivation, and then i start to see what others are doing. they have already done what i would like and all this. well, i haven’t done it now, which means i can’t. you say you would like to live a rich life shove, five or six, at once a year i don’t know , live on another street and so on. and at the same time,

it seems to you that the path to this wealth is in particular the information business or because only it is known to you. maybe because i know him and there are real examples in the circle where people initially also didn’t have what they have now and they succeeded, most likely because of this, yes, that is, if, maybe i’m there i tried to build steamships, and i was surrounded by such people. maybe i went to build steamboats. okay for you too it seems that this is the path that you know. he's reliable. you see, positive examples don’t mean that i’m still interested in him, that is, i ’ve tried so many times to stop it, but i can’t stop it. why such a gaming addiction? well, that is, the entire information business is built on the fact that you should never feel satisfied; you will always be offered new gaming machines, in which the bonus will definitely be better than the previous one and people. this is how they used to switch from slot machines to other slot machines. now there is an information business. on this

built. it is built on our greed, and accordingly. and we won’t have time, so when we rush in there, so to speak, we want more money and of course we’re scared that we won’t make it there in time. well, and so on, how this business works - it’s here, everything is clear, and it causes exactly the same addiction as a gaming addiction. and what you are talking about confirms, so to speak, and my idea, but let me, i want to go back. this is what you come across with envy, which you sometimes identify as resentment towards yourself too fine. at what point did this impostor come to you? what was this connected with? this was also in business, that you were selling something there, you probably know, when, when i myself became an expert, i never had to when i became an expert. i had marathons of this posing, yes, that is, you trained people to pose for photos on this for some money and suddenly you realized that you don’t know anything, that what am i showing them here, generally

some kind of nonsense. although they had good reviews, the girls were really clear examples of before after, but at what time uh, i stopped doing this. it seemed to me that well, this is so banal. well, what am i doing there, yes, that is, it began to seem to me? why am i okay, as if i’m selling air, that’s what the information business is. maybe you sell information that a person can highlight from books on the internet, from anywhere? okay problem. you just package it beautifully, right? why did he become ashamed to sell air? good question . well, firstly, probably because i, again , compared myself with others and felt less expert i asked myself. on what basis do i give this to people? i find it very difficult for you. how can i say to understand in this sense , to share your concerns with you, because i don’t understand anything at all about photo posing and this is the first time i’ve heard that it can be taught. it seemed to me. so, when she is planted, relatively speaking, sit down like this, i sat down. yes, conventionally , this way i sit better, this way i sit worse

, this camera is working, this camera is working and you , it turns out, have a whole science about when a woman feels herself in front of you. there's even there were more than photos there about some practices. how to accept. yes, how do you feel loved, because the camera reads it all, let’s finish it all. you will teach me. so, yes, okay, so you know all this. i studied at a modeling school. so, you know this, yes, i went quite late at the age of 29 and my childhood dream will come true. yeah i was watching other girls posing? i looked like a model. that is, i gathered knowledge from different sources. i had some filming, and later there i realized my dream of walking on the catwalk there, too, at the age of 30 and on the basis him this. yes, i showed all this on social networks initially, my path, as well as the fact that i was going towards my childhood dream, and later people began to ask. oh, tell me how to do it here tell me how to do it here and they even started

asking themselves. i don't want to create my own product. and so i created it and, probably, it turned out later that this impostor, when i looked at my result, i had a small blog. and i compared it with natural people there with millionaires. and that’s what i can give to the people there, well, there are 15 people in the first stream, the numbers don’t mean anything such. i was burnt out, tired and just started to spread rot on myself, maybe my psyche began to protect me from the fact that in the future, well , i didn’t overload myself so much, i began to invent that nothing was working out for you and yes, and i wanted a quick result. yes, yes, the first flow should have been immediate. yes, this is true, because we are shown the wrapper, where it is right away. look here. i immediately sold millions here. i'm so cool, and you're looking at this. i think, let me try. but of course it doesn’t work out the first time and motivation drops very much and you are tired, your emotional burnout arose as a result of the fact that you

resisted something and as i hear. you just turned it on at some point. this is the most resistance, because you do, yes, i don’t know, perhaps there is depreciation. it is possible to compare yourself with others. but you started to resist it. this is how many people you should have there in order for you to be able to relax five or six times a year, so that you can live on the street you want, how do you imagine it? some numbers are just here, for example, if we are talking about photo posing at the moment. well, let's talk about everything in detail. yes? this one below doesn't sell well. at some point, i also lost interest in her, because, in principle, for me in life she ceased to be so interesting, that is, i achieved my goal. i learned and became a model. i walked the catwalk. i still have a new chapter. i became interested in something different. i wanted to create something different. yes, i went there and studied coaching for a bit, but i wanted to develop in this area, i did free consultations for girls also had good reviews. again i burned out because of the effort. i

give people back, i haven’t received anything. well, except for the reviews. yes, i was kind of pleased on this side, on the other hand. i understand that well, i’m wasting my time, i’m wasting my energy, but in the end, well, it’s like you still have to pay for everything and so on. i find it very interesting that at some point you suddenly began to feel ashamed because you were selling air. uh, you know, when they introduce me, uh, i don’t know, among men. i am 50 years old and they introduce me to the circle of successful people. men, some are represented by a banker , an oil worker, a gas worker, a businessman, and so on, sergei a psychologist. well, men, uh, at this moment, in the sense of a psychologist and that and all this is to make money from this you make money, and then people start, naturally, to joke. well, it’s clear, you’re putting noodles in people’s ears there, i don’t know if he’s a swindler, well, how would all that be, yes, and it’s obvious that and how, if it bothered me, then at some point i would accordingly, well, probably

i would withdraw and become tense and so on. this obviously bothers you, so you give a choice air. what's the problem? wrong, that means i felt internally uncomfortable, let’s meet to study, yes, and at this moment it is obvious that if you have this feeling of shame, then a certain fault has occurred , a split between, respectively , lyudmila who wants to do it knows how to do it. i studied, spent money on this and other things from lyudmila who says, no, this is not serious, maybe, it is possible that we were not surrounded by people from this sphere, as if, well, we have a standard one. go to college. follow the progression of a lifetime of work at the factory. maybe i was just used to it because we still go to work 5.2, everyone somehow lives like this and it’s normal. that is, there was no condemnation from loved ones. yes, they didn’t understand how this happened, and already condemned, 20,000 women participated in your marathon. but at the same time you were selling the same

air. uh-huh that would be a problem, probably not, because, well, to have 21 women. naturally. i must have a huge personal brand with a large audience. accordingly, if he were, perhaps this it would give me some new round of motivation that i could do something else. you can call it work. right? i think it’s hard work for him to look. dal would have to overcome his own limitations. that's the problem. you will not have a large personal brand if you communicate what you do, but you know at this time in the banking industry, i work. i'm generally in the banking industry. how many years since 18? yes, there for 13 years. in principle, i have never advertised it. what a bank i work in the field. that is, in principle, everything that concerns me, i have the feeling that this is no longer about the field of activity, but more that it is about me, and no matter what i supposedly do, it will be devalued at

some point , even i will become a superstar there. there, as a great artist, at some point i’ll stop talking about it directly, well , i’ll show you, and then i’ll stop talking about it, let down by the fact that you didn’t succeed, like someone, i don’t know like someone. you should have taken place at night, it's obvious what you have inside, like as if fear that you seem to be letting you down. you know, now i even feel some little girl inside me, which feels like she’s screaming. yes, yes, yes, just ask this little girl. who are you with her under her as if, and who did this little girl want to become or had the opportunity to become. perhaps, by the age of 30, she would have already wanted to be established financially, as a person, famous, famous, when she was little she wanted to be a singer, but this is not serious, as if, yes, with us, when we we are growing, i said that this is not serious. i don’t remember mom saying that, that is,

mom, you could have seen this on tv, and so i’m asking who it is to fly in from anywhere. you can come. for some reason, you just decided that there is some kind of truth in which to be a singer, for example, it’s not even serious to be a singer, but to want to be a singer, that is, you have to do something very significant and that’s all. what are you doing. it's like they're very serious. come on, what kind of nonsense are you filming there? well, there’s something awkward about your desires, about your dreams, not yet there were stories. but when i was growing up i had many desires. mom often told you that you have many wishes, only i want, i can’t , i want so many, but it seems to me that i sort of worked through this moment, we even talked to her. she’s like, listen, i was really mistaken, she says, i must want a lot. come on, here, the more the merrier this moment, because i really remember. this is under fire and with you are its leading psychologist, psychotherapist, tatyana krasnovskaya and psychologist, psychotherapist sergei

na seyan. our guests are lyudmila and us we understand the problems of self-realization, how dad treated your ideas and your desire for your dreams. he didn’t delve much into my life, that is, when i was in school. he knew what school i went to there, what class i was in. well, to come and talk like this, there, dad there, this and that, i don’t have something like that, that is, in principle, something like that, how children are raised to feel security that there is a base. this is what there is a dad with whom you can share and, unfortunately, i don’t have that, and you are the only daughter in the family. no i have an eldest brother, and many dads, in general, talk to their children and give this very feeling of security here. hmm, a little doubtful. i doubt that this is even close to normal. one could say that there is a dad who will sit down accordingly. he will say, he will accept what is in the child’s head, he will say, and he will tell you how to achieve this, the dacha, well, not exactly super-favorite, as i say

, but i’m okay, the girls are such princesses, they understand that, in principle, they are all here, because i have older brother and, as it were, uh, in some conflicts with my brother , my parents said that you’re the first, you’re pushing on there, and so on , rather, i probably even felt more uh, well, not like unloved. but it seemed to me that my brother would be acquitted more than i even remember the situation on new year’s. i ate his sweets and was very scolded for it. by the way, i don’t know, maybe something clicked for me at that moment. maybe while you take it you get what you want, there will be some kind of price for it. well, punishment maybe, but what did you do? your dad works in electrical networks. well, that is, it wasn’t such a serious job, when it turns out that dad, how would we be able to do this now. you see that the archetypal dad is an example of just a person who does serious work and is not bothered by any

bullshit. well, yes, that is, he has. he even worked at the same job all his life. that is, there was no such thing as any kind of search there. mom also works there in a serious job. everything, in general, everything i have there is smart. yes, really much smarter than me. well, as if this is why we have difficulties. yes yes, but in any case, look, it turns out that the parents are serious, normal, what they call people. so that’s how you pose here? and you show someone on the catwalk for some reason, and for some reason, you want such an easy life. yes, well, as if it is already obvious there is some kind of non-acceptance, why do i say that you are condemned? here is the first non-acceptance. this is the first condemnation, because it is the same xenophobia that is so widespread among people. this is not love, fear of everything new. and so, if i now imagine your dad came. i don’t know from work there, he’s sitting watching tv, reading a newspaper. i don’t know if he eats there. something else is doing. but imagine, and at this time you are walking around the room

, a little girl, posing there, walking as if on a catwalk, making faces, singing, maybe, right now, right now, how do you think your dad feels about this. for some reason i remember my mother now, if possible, i will tell you about my mother. when i twirled in the mirror, i, well, i really loved to twirl in the mirror, otherwise i loved to look at all the fashion magazines, my mother told me again about the mirror. that's it, these magazines again. that is, well, it was not acceptance that we had with her already in adulthood. they discussed this literally a year ago. i say mom, how would you turn out like this? well, to be honest, yes, i didn’t accept it, that you were not like me. uh-huh. at that time, because, well, she didn’t have such interests. but i wanted to spin around. this one is a whole mirror. well, it was in me from somewhere and yes, this was not encouraged. well, look at this. this is exactly the case, you grew up in a culture that i categorically did not accept all this, damn it, even now i know what i look like. mom won't like it. she will say that you are too you are too from the cover here recently. i sent

some photos. they say, i like the way you do your lips in the photo. and i think i taught photo posing there, my mother says she doesn’t like it. maybe yes, maybe i lack approval from my parents. no lyudmila, look about parental approval. you know everything perfectly well here. uh, it’s like a problem, it’s necessary look for the fact that inside you already there is such a parent, and which just turns on this fatigue and turns on this resistance. you evaluate yourself from the point of view of the fact that you, in principle, are doing something that is shameful, well, or, uh, unacceptable to your family, the word is unacceptable on the one hand. it is not very complicated, they are very scary, but on the other hand. she’s really scared they won’t accept me if that ’s what she’s like and then i want that i want to earn 300 million right away, probably to come and say, you see, they’ve been wrong all this time, and i earned 300 million. and then it seems like you are buying yourself the right to live the life that you want. but this parent is already inside and it turns out that you, a little girl, dreamed about this. and

now the parent who criticizes this, if you look at it from a transactional analysis perspective, for example. it’s as if you have jumped over the position of an adult, but a child creates a dream, and adults realize it, and the parent controls, controls, and in a, let’s say, neurotic decomposition. parents control that this does not happen parents at all, in in principle, this is a controlling form and figure that must do everything to prevent the child from doing what he wants, whatever he wants. naturally, the child does not have any needs, but the child fantasizes, the child gushes with these fantasies and, accordingly, as a result, begins to realize them. but the parents know for sure that this will lead to trouble, and therefore it is the parents who make you sympathize, of course, you work on it right away. why do you know? right now , i’m entering training on a new product. and i’m still sitting like this, the start should already be here one of these days, i’m thinking, maybe i shouldn’t go. well, i don’t

know how to suggest masterminds. you will conduct them. in the future, i want to, yes, conduct them. but first i'm going to study. first, i want to go to a person who has already collected several times, and he succeeded, and uh, from the advantages that i see, yes, that there will be people there, well, a certain atmosphere, where everyone will support somehow, how will this happen? that is, you will collect, zoom plus live meetings plus different ones. well, you set up tasks for yourself, build some kind of goal. present this goal as a case, and everyone discusses together how, say, i want to earn a million. and they are highlighted for you. listen , you're doing this really well. this is great to do. think about it, i thought, really, maybe we can get something done together because of this, that is, there is support, that is, this is a supportive environment and everyone. here is an information businessman, which i understand, i was doing this when it was not yet was called information business, when they didn’t even know the word mastermining, so no. i

understand all this perfectly, and i understand what it is profession and you want this profession now. well, first you want to use this in order to grow in something, and then, accordingly, it is possible to guide yourself like this, and at this moment it seems to you, what if this isn’t what, why, i’m afraid that i’ll slip into again at some point, that is, yes, this internal block will really arise again. as you said correctly, either these parents, yes, who will say listen, girl. here you go to your work, everything is fine there , everything is convenient at home, working. just parental positions, do you hear, well, in real life, mom says she’s very calm. you’re the one i’m saying, mom, you understand i’m saying, if i have the potential that i’m saying, i feel like he needs to unpack i’m saying. i can't calm down. i really tried, calm down. i'll help, i actually tried it. i can’t do anything in particular, i can’t generate any ideas. because the child inside you continues to do this and thank god, when you talk about this your eyes light up, but the moment this parent figure appears, which condemns, look, parents. you

say, this is terrible. it's not terrible that your parents wouldn't have raised you otherwise. you simply would not live to this age, but parents have a saving function ; i have a role inside me that says, if you want it, we can do it. you just understand that there are risks and responsibilities and you begin to act. the child will end up in depending on the information product, the parent will not allow it. uh him uh realize his dreams. adults are the ones who can calmly observe what is happening and, uh, so to speak, assessing the risks and can move in this direction. in the position of an adult , there will be no burnout, because there will be an adult. well, of course, edison. this is an adult who did 10,000 experiments in order to invent the incandescent lamp and everyone around him turned away from him. and when they were told this, we experienced 10,000 failures as failure, this

10,000 ways it doesn't work. yes? he was crazy. yes, he made an incandescent light bulb. here is exactly the same position. there is such a thing as a routine in the adult police, you can withstand this routine and not burn out. now i can’t imagine how parents can come to an internal agreement with this. so you say, i understand this with my brain, what to do. i don’t understand the first thing you need to understand is that your family should not accept what you do, but you are able to survive non-recognition and that’s all. that yes, an adult is capable of surviving non-acceptance of what his family does not accept. at the age of 35 i decided to become a psychologist. i left the business and no one accepted it. i said okay and went and decided to become a psychologist and became, but this is the feeling of anxiety that arises as a result of absolute loneliness, when no one shares your interests. no one shares your

pleasure. no one shares the fact that you do it, the ability to survive it, this is exactly what tatyana is talking about - just immerse yourself in this routine and just do it. yes. here. what is the conscious activity of an adult? a child will say, let’s go with these baked pies, and these ones will go into space to fly. and these went somewhere else. you don’t need to do all this, but an adult is the one who will work out his actions. hours in order to become a professional in some activity, and the parent will condemn all the time. we must learn to see this simply and understand that just because you talk to your mother, nothing will change - your mother is on the inside. that is, he simply knows that it is there accept that it is good to have this voice, but there is an adult who is ready to do this and these are adult responsible decisions. where we take responsibility for it. it seems to me that sometimes it’s even scary to take responsibility. and at the same time, you want to earn money from

mastering the right way. and it seems to you, well, you probably have some examples of people who earn a lot from this. yes, i have an example where people actually make money from this, plus they live, well, just for fun. and this is the norm for them and in ideal. i want it that way. i will do this with you, its presenters are tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologist, psychotherapist, psychologist and psychotherapist sergei for himself and our guest is lyudmila, who wants to become a dollar billionaire. how your husband supports you, you know, on the one hand. he gave me a selfie lamp. that is , it’s kind of necessary for you to take pictures of yourself there, but there were moments. he helped me shoot there, some reels, but in general he doesn’t really understand this, that is, as if he says, i, well, you like it okay but so that i’m there did something, no, he seemed to, although there are

moments. in some place, too, somewhere, even there , in a voice, she said something to him, asking him, that is , he does it, but it’s not a pleasure because yes, it’s good. and we need to start filming there, let’s do it like this. well, look, no one around you recognizes or accepts this. well, for the most part. yes, there is no such thing as listen well done, great, but difficulties where you need to dive headfirst into a routine, like, what is this work? yes, at this moment you accordingly begin to take their side against yourself. maybe there's more sometimes it seems to me that basic security and, for example, simpler ones are not completely closed to me, because there is a border, firstly. of course, which are built by the employer. here too. maybe i haven’t yet learned how to distribute responsibility and the employer is responsible for your safety. freelancing is an absolute taking of absolutely total responsibility upon yourself. are you ready for this ? i'm scared, but i want