[000:00:00;00] no, it’s like, although there are moments, in some place, too, somewhere even there, in a voice , she asked him to do something, that is, he does it, but it’s not a pleasure because yes, it’s good , but he started filming there it is necessary, let's do it like this. well, look, no one around you recognizes or accepts this. well, for the most part. yes, there is no such thing as listen well done, great. let's face difficulties where you need to dive headfirst into the routine and understand that this is work. yes, at this moment you accordingly begin, and stand on their side against itself. maybe even this. and sometimes it seems to me that my basic security is not completely closed and, for example, in hiring it is simpler, because there are boundaries, firstly, that are built by the employer. here, too, perhaps i have not yet learned for you that the employer is responsible for your safety . are you ready for this? i'm scared, but i

want to. well, here it should be. i want yours, let’s say so. yes, it exceeded other people's needs, because other people's needs are in that you have to go to work. do you need to receive a salary from 6 or like from eight to disk, how do people work from nine, yes , eight there, i don’t know until six well, i ’m confused because i’m not employed, and that’s why it seems to me that in general, i work all the time, because uh, being a freelancer. you depend only on yourself and it is obvious that if you don’t work, you don’t eat. what is called if you want to eat delicious food, then your task is to work hard. it’s simple, but here’s another important point that i i like my work. so i really like it when you create some products yourself, when you come up with ideas and share them with people. you even just talked about some thoughts there and i understand that somehow, well, like with my ordinary life experiences, some ideas can influence

other people, and from this i get a question here even about self-realization more . here it is, that i really want to help people, how does this self-realize due to the fact that i can? well, for example, yes, you help people, that’s cool. what if, uh, let’s imagine an unusual situation: you are not married? so you are alone and you don’t have a child, the child is important, but you have a child. are you ready to go to thailand? you want to help people so much and here the question is decided, you know, than actually um, if i understand that i have a fairly high salary level. well, earn money. when yes, then i find an assistant who will also happily do her job and sit with my child when i need it, yes, yes, i’m ready for this here, as if child here rests on the fact that i need to be sure that my child is good, that

there is someone to sit with her, because i understand that i also cannot be with her 24/7. i can also spend an hour there with her in quality and she will enjoy it. and this too, look , it’s not the same as it was in your parent’s family. not so, that is, you understand, yes, that throughout your life you have gone beyond the boundaries of what was accepted, right? if you go out, then you will have to accept the fact that you may not return there. that is, you don't do it in order to prove to them uh-huh and you begin to evaluate your results through their eyes. can you bring it to him or not, probably, well, you’re different and, in principle, my mother always told me about this, you’re different. well, you know, i don’t know, i often order there now and have it delivered. yeah, i'm like, well, i can't keep up. i don’t always like it, and now my child has become a little chubby and my mother says, well, that’s right food, go

order it there. that is, it’s like, yes, it’s a different time now. i understand that i am very much i don’t do it the way they do and i never thought that this was the question. it seemed to me that, well, okay, god, of course this is the question. because a figure has already formed within you that shares their values. for me this is a discovery, in fact, and you have come to understand that when you leave home. you leave with ends simply being different. this is also very big courage. and you need to decide whether you are ready for this or not without support, even if your husband does not support you, even if your family still thinks it is not significant and whether you are ready living through this period until this big income is not a fact. yeah, are you ready to be in this routine. this is it. that same adult position. that is, it turns out that he is not what you think. well, okay, i’ll find someone to support my people. and then what, well, introduce yourself one hundred percent. nobody supports you.

there is a goal, and you either go to it, or you merge, because no one supported you, no one will support you in this success, you may be supported by some little things, but success in the present is what you want, no one owes you what the price is. yes, for your success it is that you are alone. and the question is , are you ready to pay this price or not? i know you had the first request. you are ready to voice it. well, the first request i had was that it was the same with me at work. it has always happened to me and in my family that i did not always live peacefully with my husband. well, but i understand that this is again all about the same thing. i am sure that the key problems arose precisely at the moment when you realized that your husband might not love you. support in these matters, most likely, right? hmm, you know, it happens. and so, it can be

anyone, everything goes around wanting a lot now for this you want to do whatever you want. if you want to dance, no one will free you, but it happens that you have to, so i probably have a feeling like in my parental family there is some kind of relationship. well, is there any framework for how i should be, what can i do, what can’t i do? and perhaps, yes, this is also about support, not support, because even in the same place, well, in social networks. i had to for example, show some photo and ask. listen, don’t mind if i post this photo there, well, there . it seems to me that this is also about expectations from loved ones and from family and from husbands, and this is the expectation that they should also be somehow, and they should also be somehow... then, in this way, you can accept and maintain the expectation , too, always at the site of the injury. as you say, thanks for the quote. yes, expectations are always formed where there was trauma. so , perhaps i had expectations for my parents

when i was growing up, uh, you even know it’s trite that i will have my own separate room there. yes, i didn’t have a separate room. my brother had a separate one. i didn't have a separate room there man. yes, of course, look. you said a very interesting phrase that you have to ask questions with your husband. do you mind if i post this photo? yes, here's an adult, ask a question to another person. do you mind if i hear the photo? they are against it, but they are showing it. well, it’s simple, now you know that he’s against it, and the child says, you ’re not against it, then i won’t expose it. no. yes well, just look at what you 're going through at this moment, you're going through a struggle, then you're struggling, then you're still with yourself , that's what it's all about. you just seem to transfer this parent to me and give him this figure. and you do this from the position of a child, but an adult, even if i don’t know why he asks, if he asked, then he asked, well now he knows this information. and here it is very important to really leave here. with this

insight of yours. how can you say that your success will always cost you loneliness? loneliness in the sense that everyone will die they should not perceive, of course. what am i doing, how am i doing? i don't know if you shouldn't accept it. thanks a lot. thank you. it was a refusal triggers with you we were his leading psychologist tatyana krasnovskaya psychologist. therapist sergei na seyan and our guest was lyudmila hello this is a podcast of easy money and i am its host mikhail khanov today we have a very difficult topic, this is entrepreneurship. how to open your own business, and our guest ivan tinkov is an entrepreneur say serial entrepreneur, president

of the moscow business meeting. hello, his name is. hello, thank you for inviting me. yes, today we will solve a very difficult problem. you know, there are a lot of textbooks, a lot of articles on the topic how to open your own business, about what? this is generally where to start, and so on, there are absolutely masses of theoretical research. today you are like a real practitioner and i think that we will try to describe it with you. here is this step-by-step creation mechanism using an example, how was it for you? well, actually. let's start there with the main question. why is it easy for some people to open? yes business one another third, they fail opens the following. yes, that’s why they’re called serial entrepreneurs, because that’s where entrepreneurship takes place. like a series. yes, this is not just one. a lifelong dream project. yes there or family heritage business is really business after business is a new business and exactly. entrepreneurship itself. why this word? i also like it much more than the businessman. well, actually, why alone? discover and make others continue to dream.

what does this depend on? well, this probably depends more on the person. hmm, and, of course, here you need to understand that someone is immersed in certain fixed ideas or in a certain dream. and for some it simply becomes the meaning of life, a lifestyle when it starts in childhood. that's when you felt like you were capable of starting your own business. listen, my father he is an entrepreneur and a builder. i am from a small region, the republic of mordovia, the city of saransk yes , this is the time when we are probably parents saw it once through the double peephole there . yes, but certain things, of course, he instilled in me in moscow, i’m 16 years old. he lives alone, as he arrived or something. and if the memory is 2004-2. the fifth year is the plekhanov academy of attempts to walk, but its impossibility, probably, even then there were some first beginnings. well, of course, something has been emerging since school. well, specifically, well , then it was a different time, i remember the cassette, but

the cassettes were taken and handed over, the same thing. e classmate for rent. there, one by one, within a certain period of time. yes, when the first rambo came out there or the first - this is blood or voice acting was not done. no, these are not goblins, thank god that’s why it didn’t work out, that’s why i see this story. it’s still true, but someone goes for the money, and someone really gets sick of this story of you. i think entrepreneurship in general. it's a disease. it can only progress in this way, that is , it is a disease that covers a person and is already on another, and positions regardless there, top management is not top management, wages are all sorts of some kind of goodies. in any case, freedom-loving people who are sick of a certain idea, or several ideas over a certain period of life, will not be able to work under someone. well, here she is already. i think that our audience can record the first life hack, we are traditions of this podcast, what am i saying? take a piece of paper

and a pen in your hand. yes actually. here, uh, tactile sensations, no one canceled additionally and write down that uh, you understood that ivan came to moscow at the age of 16 in 2004 . many people say that it was a time like the nineties. this was the very thing the peak attention is 2004, that is , it would seem that everything has settled down. that's all, actually. eh, all the assets are already moving there. what is called distributed, but nothing has been distributed. and if there really is this mood in the soul of their psychology, then maybe any year, you’ll agree, there are 2004 and 2005 2010, that is, every time the excuse was not the time, but for you the time was that’s how it started. ah, well, it seems to me that if we are talking about and there was a basic industry at the time when i arrived, it was completely unrealistic at today, taking into account the new age, taking into account e-commerce, how it is developing, then in the same product segment can you catch something? yeah, of course, why were flowers

flowers born? it's literally spontaneous. first business. it was a flower, it grew into a fairly large federal sit down, the pandemic, of course, battered us ; about seventeen regions were closed. but let’s just say that scaling continues nonetheless. we forgot to say that you are the founder and owner of a chain of flower supermarkets with an annual turnover of 3 billion rubles. i'm nothing i will be plus or minus for today. yes, that's included. ah, when we dropped to this figure, i’ll tell you, well, when the first one was earned, let’s say, well, a million is probably not interesting. i mean turnover. yes , not earned when the turnover has been reached. well , let’s say there are 100 million rubles. in year. look , i had an idea, the fix is ​​a billion. i 'll tell you honestly and turn around. naturally turnover. at first there was an idea to fix it in some quantity and this, but a huge misconception of mistakes on my part, because we started just, well, so let's say minting magazines, which we'll start, in fact, you started wool, yes, look

where you can use it. let's take a closer look here. at the very first store. yes, there, uh, then we were engaged in some kind of financial consulting, let's call it that way, uh, there was money, but my father is a very conservative person. and for everything else, no matter what. he said that your turnover is the salary fund in that business, if you could call it that, in which i was engaged in photography there was practically no. i thought that i needed to open some business that would for the sake of my father. yes, at least somehow equal me in his masculine concepts, that is, this is still the fulfillment of someone’s expectations. i think this is the solution to my childhood complexes, probably somehow not closed, genstahl. he probably influenced it. well, this will be true, that is , i initially did not go into the flower business, because i love flowers, which cannot be said now, now i love flowers, i love what i do. and, of course, i miss them in many ways, given the new project, as they are not afraid to do. this is the first step. here's for you. what was this to you? what is 16 years old?

and, if we are talking about the flower business, this is 19 years old, 19 19, 1/2 the first such business that can be called naked. it was a business where people depended on me. i'll tell you this. well, yes, there was a fund. uh, it was just a store, then two more at once, which opened within a month. at this point , this whole story was minus, how much was spent on maintenance. i remember the minus. photos of the enterprise taking into account rentals, because if we are talking about moscow the main expense - this, of course, the rental rate in moscow leaves much to be desired. if we are talking from the side of the tenants, yes, then this is, of course, ford. that is, if we, on average, ph should not exceed, there 15% of labor should not exceed yes percent of turnover. well, of course, it exceeds what you now look back on. yes, so that you can correct it now or do it differently , but always yes, but if i had

a magic wand, then now i would do this and that and everything would just fly away, like rocket, so that ah, i would go to get up to education, because i didn’t have enough of it at the initial stage, anyway, honestly, i was registered at the university, but to say that i gave. this should be education in what? ah, when i finished my bachelor’s degree, this was one story in my master’s program. at our plekha academy, real practical financial directors taught. i remember that tsum was taught by other people, the smartest people, practitioners who you could listen to on how to run a business, how to manage human resources. it was marketing in the form in which we saw it then, probably now it is something else, but in general they had it. well, you can learn a lot. and in general , the internet was open then, but that age did not allow me to think that someone knew more than me, so no. well, this is real , i clearly understand that, at least at that time,

entrepreneurs of my age come into this story with a small crown. well, this is like the effect of this silicon. yes, you can google it, when people with high iqs with all levels education knowledge consider themselves. uh, actually, not competent enough, but people. well, look at what the effect is on the internet, and people who do not have knowledge at the same time. they confidently just walk forward and speak. well, it's like that, because it's like that, yes. here. well, actually, ah, well, you nevertheless chose the sphere. yes, maybe intuitively yes, subconsciously, which in the end became transformed, really milliarmolized in fact, if we are talking about the industry that we are talking about now, which i started did some light analysis. i understood that in construction products and in some other industries there are certain surnames, big surnames, strong surnames, then flowers at that time were soft. let's say business in the service zone is frank. he had no hair, he was absolutely not rich and there were no serious players. yes, in fact today

monopoly in business does not exist and is often very confused. uh, next question. e concepts of a business idea with business goals. what is the difference? look at the purpose of any business. still this earns money. it is a fact. i believe that if there is no mission and value that we carry at all. this world will not be like that. you have neither loyalty on the part of the target audience nor loyalty to the char brand on the part of your staff. well, that is, in fact , speaking in simple terms. you yourself must be burning with this idea, you must have a sparkle in your eyes, otherwise, it’s just people won’t believe it, no one at this stage needs a charge that will simply take a certain form of entrepreneur from a springboard, which is his main mission be, thus, a charge of incentive, both for your employees and for the target audience for whom you work, yes, as your potential buyer. that is, you must be that motor. and in which all this you must thereby dan when who tore out his heart and went. well, i always compared myself more with mayakovsky, who

know such a loud and powerful word. maybe the meeting was tougher, you know, you love rose and i am at these stories, of course, of course, at the initial stage - this is important when people don’t they see the dividends that are there when they close the tequipiai that were promised and pia i immediately sing. well, these are key performance indicators, that is, these are the criteria by which the success or failure of actions is assessed. well, any yes, uh, 1 2 3 you and i have determined that if we achieve such goals, yes, then we are great. if not, then not well done, that’s it. well, probably, let's just ask this question right away. well, i'm sorry for torturing you so quickly. what do you think the business direction is? yes, business ideas may be in demand now, not a specific business idea. yes, it’s probably incorrect to ask that way. well, let's say the region. tell our listeners who became the founder of the company. this is all

that concerns uavs with drones, but of a different nature. mostly. we started farming. and what do the dronovs do in agriculture? they can provide fields, they can sit, they have even learned to cook buckwheat and rice on their own. if we imagine a field of 10,000 hectares, then there are certain easement zones. for which it is empty zones on which nothing is planted, because, for example, a tractor must drive through them in order to produce this or that. uh-huh, then, for example, if they are performed by a drone at a certain height, then it’s all seeded, so that we are given a 6% larger slice of the actual sphere. that is, what spheres are all the spheres, for example, connected, for example, with the future, but they are also visible in the same 3d printers. we began production of their sphere of application, it is colossal, starting from education, ending with the current situations. that is the question. where do you see yourself, where is it burning, where is it burning, i wouldn’t

go into this, i initially invested in these projects, you clearly understand that this is a definite future. now i’m sick of this. in a sense, and probably in my basic businesses , which today are more classic, the management is even a little jealous in the form of me, and now less often they say house, but the absolutely wonderful concept of start-up capital. yes, everyone says, that’s why we don’t belong there now, but in 2004 there is some criteria. is it enough to have a burning heart and sparkling eyes to start a business, or do you still need some money ? you know the story. so i started with 10,000 rubles. now is this story real or is it 100,000 million, what does it all depend on? well , it’s good to talk about some startups that have been successful in the chamber as a whole, but we understand with you that this is not a system. it's always a piece. eh, an exception to the rule. of course i would attract investors. there are big risks here. we are investors in several small projects, but i know

a huge number of stories when guys just had bright ideas, ran a business, and needed a plan. and i don’t believe in his business plan. why is it impossible to prove? well, imagine a young guy comes to you, his eyes are burning. so he says, this is how it will be, you ask him one simple question. and if he doesn’t , he has nothing to give you, you have nothing. to take away no guarantees, you either believe in his idea and in his energy and in his energy yes, or that honestly i haven’t had a single business yet unrealized, where would there be a business plan. i 'll be honest. this is my life without a business plan. don't make a budget for the year. no , there is planning already in an existing business. but, if we say not to start, well, of course, well, this is not my job, this is done by the top management who are specially trained. i'm not a systems person. i need to understand that i need to get a saber. i always say go into battle, and then we’ll figure it out, so i clearly understand my strengths. i understand what kind of team to surround myself with, because in

fact the personnel said, one is smart human. always frame. decides. i absolutely agree with everything, because without uh, well, without a human background , you won’t be able to take any strong steps, people have been chosen, and the legal formalities have opened. that's when the profits and losses can begin. still, sometimes they are needed. should you do this when you can set the same kpi? yes, it’s an indicator that , well, it didn’t fly or it did fly, but there are expectations. i always put the first point - this is zero, this is an operational zero. when we at least cover your current running costs, but they also need to be counted correctly, they must be counted. own time. we start counting from the very beginning from the very beginning, of course. of course, we still do this, that is, a business plan - look at that. i'm not for this not to happen. i’m just saying that i personally don’t pay so much attention to this, but it must be a team you select yourself, of course, top management is the main thing, you must

take friends, the experience was not to advise them. moreover, moreover, the experience was not soviet, i understand, that is, we immediately put a taboo on our relatives friends. listen, i heard these same stories both from older comrades and from my father, but i understood exactly when i stepped on my own rake. in general, i think that it’s time to watch. make mistakes and then be guided by them in your own life. these are completely two different stories. sometimes it's better. let it rake well. it will hit you between the eyes, then it will be clear and understandable , because watching the same video 10 times is so painful. hmm, you have to go through this, so make mistakes. only from them will there be any sense and only from them will there be money. this is an easy money podcast, and i am its host, mikhail khanov . today we have a very difficult topic, how to open your own business, and our guest is serial entrepreneur ivan tinkov ; your employees follow you on social networks.

i hope you talk to all your subscribers as if there are only your employees behind the screen, there is such a thing. sometimes i convey certain information, but only for some people people understand it. but there is an effect, yes, that is, you use it, but this is always correct. when you communicate, imagining specific people with whom you communicate in general, it is easier. and you know. people like this better. i understood one thing, that time, if you and i talk about some kind of social activity, some kind of blogging, then the time and the photographs next to all kinds of rental cars, and the ruriks of dear life, it has gone, thank god that now is the time of openness , the time of honesty. naturalness, as for men and women, and thank god let it remain so. i still always adhered to conservative views. and in everything. sometimes even too much, but it’s better to let it be so. actually, who comes first at the very

beginning. i understand correctly who is involved in promotion and promotion at the initial stage. is it you or you immediately hire someone professional business or about the media component a listen in different ways. for example, i still have my miracle marketer, that is, for me this is generally history. so now you yourself are a marketer. well, in fact, look, if the director has several companies in which it is present where operational activities are not carried out by me. if we are talking about those projects where i am in the operating system , marketers are not worried there. perhaps this is some kind of inner cockroach in me. here. leave this fun and perhaps, perhaps operating businesses. now you are running three traditionally correctly at the same time , how many people work once or twice in a third business. that's how the first business is, the second is the third operational management, and there are 16 people subordinate to it. this is too much, because i believe that there is a japanese system of no more than 6

the person is directly subordinate, and she must work for her employees as well. this is how i build it myself. for now, probably, at least the concept of delegation. i understood, but at least i practice fully, but i didn’t know. this is a difficult case, this is actually the first step. for a manager, this is the ability to delegate authority, you know, when we say, well, this is an important question. i’ll do this myself, yes, but well, i’ll definitely start with the next one, you’ll never start. i just have this example. eh, i worked in one large top 10 bank. uh, well, at a fairly high level, we created a call center. so i needed direction to raise a question about automation. the call center cost was $250,000. that is, a quarter of a million dollars came to me. so the employee is the mayor, the head of the call center, and she says, i say, all mash gave us money. everything is fine. everything is amazing, we are writing a question on the website to the s- directors. uh, banks, yes. and this is the direction. yes, we carry questions and do. well great. am i saying great? let me tell you how to do it sometimes, who will do it? you,

of course, she doesn’t know how to do anything, it ended with her writing to me. the first text there is four sheets long. i've used it all up. she sat for half an hour listening to the tenth or eleventh version. i brought a piece of paper , two sheets, i signed without correcting it, not a comma, and took it back. i spent a month and a half of my life, but after a month and a half. i had a person capable of writing documents for a bank in the top 10, worth a quarter of a million dollars, and when a couple of years later, my colleague. i say, let's go hunting, he says, i can't ask me a question there do. i say, well, it’s easier for someone else. he says, well, you have such employees that we are not there, you don’t have such people and says, lucky i say, yes, yes oh , tell you how you need people. why doesn't it work? why is there no delegation right away? no, people are sufficiently educated and qualified, and there are salaries for that, at least, which is what i pay. there is also an understanding of whether you want it yourself or not. there is a certain timing to your life and enjoyment of

how much you micromanage in these three business companies, but no more than two days a week, and in terms of time , a month, two, six months, a year, and in general, yes, but in the first company this is how it started and more than, probably, nine years you, that is, you 9 years are you micromanaging the flower company yourself? yes, i like it man, where there are no 16 people. there are more than a thousand in the flower digs there. but 16 is directly subordinate. so let’s say quality is involved in micro-management there. ah, in a partial case. yes he is present. let's do it this way. if he is present in acceptance decisions or my passion. he is uh-huh well, that's a fact, but why deceive yourself? okay the other two? what is the absolute time? that is, if we are talking about the second type of activity, there are about 20 employees there, probably one day a week of which i spend. and then, i want to say, i shouldn’t have been there about the os, but damn, why do i just like it there. that’s the kind of person i am, sometimes they say, you just

did everything. everyone grabs you a lot. if there are fewer of you it will be better. i say, i know, but it doesn’t work out, but it’s not fun. yah this is good, that is, it means that the heart is still burning. the main thing is to say to myself and others that i am a happy person. now, i'm a happy person. i get high from what i do even when i do it’s wrong even when i have breakdowns there is some kind of emotional background that makes people hang themselves. i even admit this often. i understand that the biggest harm is not what i do, but from the point of view of profit there in the company, perhaps this also happens from the point of view of the fact that i do not switch gears at work. and i still bring this into the house. here's the biggest one negative inability to delegate and leave operating systems, as a rule, are committed to people who do not know how to switch from work to home, you know, no, and what do they say at home? oh, the phone is on the air, yes and lie around,

i have two little sons of heroes 6.4 years old. here. we understand that it is useless for a teacher to set an example. and when i saw both of them imitating me. they walked around the apartment with the phone, fired someone, so you didn’t understand. i'll be there right now. i realized that it was time to change something. do you know everyone there is an opinion. here i am an entrepreneur, and even more so a serial entrepreneur. and i mean i’ll be like this, what’s the work. it’s me who opens the nightstand, and there’s money there. i take them there and spend as much as you want? well, in reality it’s still not like that, but in fact you invest yourself, i would say that it’s business and entrepreneurship. it's not about money money. this is a side effect. this is the realization of yourself and your ideas. this is a fight with someone, first of all, yourself and most importantly yours, and the enemy is the opponent of this site, because i i always say a competitor, he is in the mirror, your main competitor from the mirror does not tell you what you need to do so as not to burn out, when he ceases to be in your competitor , he becomes you. you know, there’s probably

no magic pill here. here there is a certain set of circumstances, embedded, so to speak, action in the business process that you do and a certain one. luck is the rule, or is it really about being in the right place at the right time and doing everything right. how to do what should be time? this very clear. one smart person told me a good thing: no matter what happens, you should always be able to create a comfort zone for yourself and your surroundings, and then it will not matter absolutely in what space the country of society, or the whole world, is located, because the last 3 years and e- e successful business. or let’s put it this way, i’ll say it even differently, the last 3 years have been a good background for a successful business. these are completely different things, but nonetheless. many feel quite well, and some feel even better, because they simply

stuck in this direction, that is, ah, the words that a crisis is a time of opportunity. these are not empty words, one hundred percent high. it ’s much more difficult to develop in a growing market, where everyone will throw in something. this is why she shone, definitely. i agree that the people who make money in a falling market are the same people i consider myself entrepreneurs , entrepreneurs, and definitely not businessmen. and we started talking slowly. yes, now i would like to return to the block of questions related to your social activities. yes, and what do you do, uh, in the moscow business assembly and you are the authorized representative for the protection of the rights of entrepreneurs in moscow in trade. yes , this is one of your public ones, this is the public. that is, you don’t get anything for this money, and support for small and medium-sized businesses in russia about which there are so many words in the media is a myth or reality. how are you? uh, it never felt financially compelling. i will say this about taxes, and

you know, often the entrepreneur himself. if we are talking about smes, small, medium entrepreneurship, he does not understand how to integrate into this system, how to interact with the industry. and in general, who is who ? heat well, the government of statehood is interaction with the state. yes, how to be friends with the state. you need to be able to do this. when i got into the system of the mistresses, the mineevs. this is moscow ombudsman tatyana vladimirovna, let’s explain for the audience. who is this? this is the authority from whom. well, initially there, if we say moscow there yes, but he leads from the beginning. this is from the president, and so is this person, that ah his task is to be something. you know, like in scandinavian mythology. berdes, in my opinion, is called the rainbow bridge between the worlds, that is, the government and entrepreneurs. these are absolutely two different worlds. even on another planet lives a native, yes, as it were, in my opinion. these are officials and entrepreneurs.

these are absolutely two different classes. yes, two completely different blossoms. they see events happening differently. they have a different attitude, even i know people who left business for the civil service. can to be in the civil service, but not to be an official. this is the state of being an official. that is, enter a different environment and keep your main one afloat in the system. how do you feel there and how do you treat other people? these are different things now. at least among my friends there is, but if we are talking about the majority, then, of course, it is difficult to communicate with them. have you known people who, being entrepreneurs, getting into the bureaucratic environment changed their worldview absolutely, that is, but we no longer hear each other. if i initially, i was glad that they were going into one or another, so to speak, gr industry, and i understood that there certain interests would be defended by business, then i saw how it all was like sand through my fingers. i

say, where did those words go, as they say, where did that petrovich go and he’s