eh, it is considered that this is a different type of speech organization, there are no subordinate clauses there , adverbial clauses there. and this is the interlocutor. i myself , why do i need a lot of syntax when it’s enough to say i arrived, and i know where i came or who arrived? that is, these are generally closed hermetic texts. and this is what you see there, he writes honestly about himself and you see that he writes things that are the opposite. that is, he is so great and honest that he is not afraid to say it. but this is very difficult. well, i was also shocked at the time by the diaries tolstoy and a tema, what did he write about them? boris mikhailovich himbaum. the great one is tolstoy's investigator. and he says that tolstoy writes about plans and disappointments. yeah, i sat down to play cards and learn. play 66 in the whole game began

to learn the dutch language, learn all languages, and through the page i'm nasty ugly i didn't succeed. i couldn’t manage to be struck by the phrase that tomorrow at two o’clock in the afternoon i’ll be thinking about music, not that i ’ll go to the piano, but that you need to have enormous strength in order to even write something like that to yourself. here you go this bom says that in general tolstoy , as a writer, was born in many ways from the fact that he asked himself a question. how's that? well , speaking in such apparently scientific language. how it is externalized, how it becomes external , he has a phrase that plowed me. this is how it happens, i’ll sit down at the table with ink, write a few lines, and it will be exactly what i thought, how this amazing story will go out into the world. i ask you to know what happened at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries precisely from literature, am i right if i say that? in the 19th century it turned out to be absolute truth in

the twentieth after the first world war and so on, it seems like absolute fiction. eh, that’s the internal monologue in mind, it’s not plots. no, no, exactly image technology. yes , if you can name it. yes, well, as if this is our theme, this consciousness in literature is not always, but his ahil there is no inner peace. yes, he is the whole project. e the will of the gods, if he is angry at the beginning and the iliad achilles or achilles i remember the first lines of maine and grandfather up or adkeos this is all that i have left of the ancient greek language, then he is angry not because he loves barsida there, but because this is the law of the good world in which they lived , somehow the coordinates were so firm. well, yes, but we don’t have coordinates at all, so i’m just here to remind you about the common points. these common points are just a convention. i

mean, after a millennium, gooseberries are a banal thought. it seems to me that it’s a classic. i like to come in from the side. i’ll come in and now on the side that it’s a classic, that’s why it’s a classic and why it’s amazing, that a person is everything the time is the same, that the scenery changes, and the scenery is not necessarily, uh, chairs and trees. and uh, the accents look different , yes, but the main things remain the same all the time , otherwise. eh, why are we interested in ancient tragedies, because everything is the same, what happened, is the image of a person from the point of view of thinking, consciousness, feelings. yes, of course he's uh-huh, he changes into different clothes, and sometimes a candle illuminates that's

how you tell your students turn off the electricity. let it be very important, because a completely different world fell into the world of electric light , he wrote nothing to me, in my opinion, it flickers. everything is in short, but still it’s all entourage yes, but still the basic things are what they are, uh, they were like that. this is amazing. why , through thousands of years of the life of our civilization , the same things go on. it seems to me that basic things will still be everywhere, that khoma is khoma, all people have two ears, two arms, two legs, a head. these are the kind of things that are only mental. i have two questions for completion by the end of the first one. is it possible to say that this whole system is so very

similar to homeostasis, to something constantly kicking around in the middle, the center is fast, that it is cracking or it just seems now that, more than ever, i hear this crack. i just physically hear it. i hear it too. i’m just interested in your opinion, it turns out that we are in a very dangerous, really dangerous zone of transition to a completely different life. you could say that this is, well, some kind of analogue of the fact that i am a spers karl jaspers was called time, and the time of the emergence of religious teachings. well, species. i think this is this. this is at least on this topic. if not stronger, stronger, in the sense of not worse, because we can clearly see the time in which

two intellects coexist on the planet, and naturally with all our sins with the whole set of what we talked about today and the artificial one, which is generally different and no one . he promised that we would understand what was happening and it would be impossible to turn away from this path; we would not be able to return to the non-exponential one. eh, the economy is not like that, which must necessarily grow. why should it grow? looks like no. it also seems to me that there is no growing. index. it falls on some level. and to me, it would seem, but no, these are some more serious, deep things happening. they affect anthropogenesis. as such, well, yes, because as specialists say - it’s not me. i mean specialists in the field of artificial intelligence and developers of these neural networks. those who often go out and write a thesis are

a diploma, and not a lot of things that they write. i'm with one of these networks. while i was in india. i recently talked to her. i'm not a weak lady, but i get goosebumps. i was just scared. yes, this is a conversation you are having with a person. this is an instant answer; moreover , this network is made in such a way that it does not have access to the internet; it is trained, since you and i have driven a wild amount of texts into it. this is a linguistic system. she learned from books. she has great speed and is not stupid at all. developers use the word singularity when talking about things like this. does this mean that there is a way back? no, we either catch. we are i don’t know who this is, we either catch this situation now and stop it.

which will happen, of course, or it breaks out of our power. and we won’t be able to do anything with it, those fools, as well as their listeners, who will say, listen, this is vain, conspiracy theories, and there’s no need to scare anyone, because it’s taught to us, they understand, they’re nothing like that, of course, it’s already not this way. it was like this a while ago, but this is a plus for you perfectly understandable. this you've been gone for a long time. this is firstly, and secondly, uh, the genie doesn’t go back into the bottle . it’s clear. if we have any hope, it ’s only in art, nothing else, because art is our human is an imitation. and, of course, you can train the program, and it will give you duzhers and not photocopies of durards or copies.

and as it were, a dürer will be another dürer, but only a copy. that's why we don't need it. i think that this is the only way out that remains for us and uh, after all, it’s ours hope for art and literature remains in force, so i am very happy. with that , i thank tatyana vladimirovna of chernigov for this conversation. thank you tatyana vladimirovna, see you, conversations are only for two. this is true, and i tell you, our dear interlocutors, as always with pathophos, and now, with hope, read with pleasure, dear friends. hello this is the podcast life of the remarkable.

my name is alexey varlamov today we will talk about wonderful homelands, but not only about them, we will talk about literature about novels by the writer doctor of philology evgeniy vodolazkin. hello. evgeny germanovich. hello, alexey nikolaevich i thought in this number it was already possible to say she was born. well, by the way, since we are talking about her homeland. but i want to immediately explain that the topic was suggested by the guest. why does this particular topic seem to be the most interesting to you? it’s, in general, a well-known concept and it seems like you and everyone have some idea about it, but the idea is quite vague. and so i would like that in our conversation we seemed to talk in more detail about the phenomenon itself. what is this is very good. we

must make it clear and do everything so that the holy fools in our country feel properly understood, uh, and surrounded, uh, with care and good relations. do you think we have a lot of babies now? i think there are always holy fools, and uh, there are different forms of kinship. maybe we’ll talk about this in the future, but in general, her kinship is a kind of spiritual achievement and kinship is connected only with christianity. there's uh, some forms of uh, which in different cultures are similar, uh, similar to kinship. uh, uh, there are some things in the east that seem to resemble its kinship in the west. well, let's say the fool, but somehow this is a different institution. this is a completely different matter. this fool

is an astronomically exalted man, but this man does not have any special spiritual basis. and it seems like this is the person who takes the term for it. we can say that this is a superlegal feat, but because there is asceticism in christianity. uh, there are uh, others. uh, like holiness, but foolishness this is the only type of holiness that is not subject to. so what about regulations and roles? you , as they say in ancient russian texts, are on a rampage because it is a kind of holiness that is ashamed of itself, a holiness that wants to hide that it is a holiness and therefore behaves like holy fools. uh, very strange. he wants to escape glory from man in this regard too.

uh, when they ask, but let’s say some uh, artists hmm who organize performances and so on, it seems , no, it doesn’t seem to be, because uh, holy fools infuriates, glory comes from man, they are looking for it. and this is red. the goal is different, like there is, its natural kinship, when well, just a person, uh, with some deviations. from birth, and there are people who come to foolishness, which is a very important, characteristic carbon they are almost never related to, where they were born, and where everyone knows them they leave. well, it seems that they are leaving not only the world in which they lived , they are leaving the world in general. therefore, the transition to

foolishness was often called death to the world , death to the world, despite the fact that it is in the world is present in this, but it is present in a very strange quality, and as if it is something outside of the situation in relation to this world. well, it turns out that you seem to be saying that monks are leaving the world , hermits are leaving the world, but they really are leaving people. and it seems that, as far as i understand, they are running away from human glory, but they are clearly not running away from people and life, and it seems to be passing in front of everyone and in a sense, one might say. what is this? well, this is the kind of spiritual theater, yes, that is, they are on stage all the time and people who they are surrounded. these are the spectators. they play some kind of role in which there is clearly a deep meaning, yes, that is, their life is filled with meaning and what is this meaning, right? that is, it turns out that her homeland is not exactly competing with the church, but as far as i understand, it’s unlikely that anyone really prepares them, it’s unlikely that

they have mentors, it’s unlikely that anyone blesses them on this path. that is , it turns out that there is some kind of self-involvement in this. some kind of insolence. is this some kind of rebellion against something or what? yes, insolence. this is what did not give birth to them in full to the extent that this is determined by people who are daring, uh, or violent, as they say, uh , old russian texts will be their true life, but how the church treats them, the church determines by the spiritual essence, uh, and radivah, and and using leskov’s burning there is a womb for the sake of and for the sake of - this is different. these are those who are looking for some kind of opportunity to earn money, but there is christ for the sake of the motherland, and uh, these people are recognized and deeply honored by the church, but what about goals and kinship? why exactly is this so,

and why is this eccentric uh-huh, then uh, that ’s well said in one of the troporeas of madness to expose the imaginary madness of the world and what is also important, it seems that he is, as it is said in the trapar of st. basil. on both days i laughed at the world, i sewed clouds and during the day i laughed at the world. and at night he cried not everyone who laughs ugly. and it seems that this is the one who is capable of then crying, because otherwise laughter is the destroyer. and this is destructive laughter. and evil if a person only laughs. for example, gogol and this phrase about, apparently, the world laughing through tears invisible to the world - if you like. a foolish phrase in the highest

sense of the word and, strictly speaking, here on this pair there are laughter and tears, partly gogol broke down, because his laughter turned out to be tears, but if we take the second volume of dead souls, he saw that it did not reach the heights of his laughter in strength. and that’s why all this drama with the second tom happened, but gogol, who was a deeply religious person. apparently he thought of himself directly or indirectly in this paradigm. well, if we soon started talking about russian literature of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, then, of course, we remember excellent examples there, and it seems that in pushkin, first of all, yes, and in boris then, probably, there can be traces of dostoevsky’s relatives a-a, both in the idiot and in crime

and punishment, that is, it is obvious that for fyodor mikhailovich it was some kind of thing. well, this one is also very important, and the human moment has a cool story: a small mistake. don’t remember, it’s dedicated to a real holy fool, and to ivan yakovlevich’s sidekicks. and there, her relationship is played out from the other side, because, well, apparently, the korean one was such a rather contradictory person. the plot there is that a certain person has three daughters and the eldest daughter cannot get pregnant, and the other two girls are of marriageable age, and they cannot get married yet, because other suitors are looking at the eldest. she doesn’t get pregnant, there’s something wrong with these guys, and then their little mother goes and gives them a note. and after a while , it turns out that the eldest got pregnant, and the middle one fell at her feet, that she became heavy, and the mother rushes to nature. we find out that she mixed up the names in the note and gave the wrong daughter, which means getting pregnant. and that is, here we see something like that.

it’s quite a paradoxical moment in relation to this veneration of her kinship. yes, but leskov has these weirdos. uh, let's say, uh, quarterly ryzhov , uh, from the same house? yes, these are such weirdos, and quarterly ryzhov who hmm really behaves like an idiot. and what do holy fools do? they are shocking. hmm, they throw stones at the houses of people, uh, pious people, but there are no pious people near the houses. they kiss the walls. so it seems to me to many and there is always some kind of person who is explains and what exactly the matter is, and the fact is that in people's houses. the few are demons

driven out of the house and they, as spiritual practice shows, gather at the walls. uh , and that's why they throw stones at them, and in the houses of ungodly people. eh, demons are inside the house, but angels have been driven out and angels are huddled near the walls. and it seems that he comes up and kisses them and asks them not to leave this place, at least here. it seems to me that i read somewhere in some novel, there also seems to be across the velikaya river in the city of pskov. yes they go, but really. it seems like they can walk on water, well, with a certain tension of spiritual forces, in general they can, and they repeat after their prototypes.

and carp, mmm, they partly go back, that is, there are several herodian lives, but the main herodian life of nikola kachanov of novgorod saint he really divided e into zones of influence, novgorod, he believes that holiness and spirituality should be distributed among in general , fairly and beats those who enters its territory. here it is on the water. they go there too. we continue the podcast with you. life wonderful. my name is alexey varlamov and our guest is a writer, a literary historian , doctor of philology, and a bit of a holy fool, evgeniy vodolazkin. but here is the story about the holy fool who was not afraid of tsar ivan the terrible, yes, is it true or is it a myth, but these are , uh, foreign sources. uh, that's

the mention of this story. this is nikolas aga ivan, having ruined novgorod, moved to pskov and the holy fool nikola and ivan came out to meet him, who considered himself a pious man, although he was generally a villain and nikolai gives him a treat. eh, a piece of bloody meat. and it was lent that john became indignant and said, what are you giving me? eh, lent is meat, and he tells him. and what do you want meat for, you are the flesh of christians, eat something like that, he could say, only seemingly, because anyone else would not have dared, but you can imagine yourself, so what happened to him then, but ivan did not order

to touch him and turned his troops and went to without entering moscow, the vopsks were inviolable. it was a special and great sin to offend the ugliness, and even more so to kill, but a great sin entails represented a great temptation and that’s why it seemed like they beat them, killed them, and by the way, they were often offended by children again about literature. it seems to me that if about the twentieth. his story, semyon yes, where is a the boy, and the mother dies, and the boy begins, as it were, to be a mother for his brothers and sisters and then they put on, uh, a woman’s dress and speak from here. don’t call me semyon anymore, call me ksenia, her and ksenia - this, of course, is an understandable assessment of another famous holy fool. and ksenia of petersburg and for such

a proletarian writer as was considered during platonov's lifetime is this surprising? or his story yushka is so classic, by the way, there are also these motifs there, the children didn’t like her, well, it’s not that they didn’t like the hedgehog from being teased, the hedgehog, they offended him, he was homeless and this one, by the way, such a platonic accent , i would like to bridge the gap to your writings. yes, the surname platonov appears in the aviator in the last novel, and chaggi is also a platonov surname in sound and composition. that's it . if we talk not only about the lavra where are shown, it seems, like the generic ones. here in their natural russian middle ages, and if we talk about your work about your novels, the actions that take place. well, it’s already closer to us, yes, in the twentieth century, even in the twenty-first, here, as you would define it yourself, but this holy fool’s accent that is in your books. it seems to me that the yurod accent, which you are talking about,

is to a greater or lesser extent. e carry. all my novels, because they are actually jokes and humor. this is already some a prerequisite for thoughts of foolishness, and a joke is always some other twist. this is a crooked mirror and reality begins to change in it, but it changes as it changes. so some things suddenly become obvious. and we see that a person has some special ears and suddenly his ear covers the whole mirror, and this mirror is a joke. uh, she's always concentrating on something. uh, what was not so obvious, and it seems to me

that i try to write humor with humor. all my things, even the saddest ones, then i wish, which, in general, is not the most fun thing of humor, there is, of course, a lot of humor. it means a lot there, because humor is acceptable in relation to death. this is an attempt to show her that you are not afraid of her. i had an absolutely amazing story. in paris, one evening i wandered into the perlochaise cemetery, firstly, i heard music from afar, live music, not this, and i saw a jazz band playing and dancing and the coffin being brought in to this music. in some room i think for burning then uh. here, although i don’t know how it’s done, yeah

and in the center of the circle, which is formed by those present, a woman in a bright red coat is dancing and crying, and her nose is glued with clones, and she is crying. and i want to jump. what, what is possible in such cases? how to pose the question, but i asked the real one from the edge, what kind of funeral will it be? i'm talking about why in this form he speaks, she expresses her contempt for death. i say why my interlocutor says jan, he was a jazz musician. this is something close to growth, although unrelatedness is in its purest form, and foolishness is a look at oneself from sides. so, uh, i, uh, in general

, uh, use it quite often. this is the look of a hero, let’s say a first-person hero narrates and he should always have a sense of humor, just so that it is a stereo view of himself. and chagin has a sense of humor. chagin himself is very moderate; he has almost no humor. it seems to me that he has no sense of humor at all, and the humor is achieved due to the fact that we see the main character through the eyes of different people. and here is the humorous effect. it appears from the first pages precisely due to this this contrast is also a description. there is a funeral and this funeral, that the fingers of the deceased or the hands of the deceased are propagated, and by the sea, although a mistake has occurred. yes, he is an archivist, a worker, a narrator of a former story, only in real former stories they said that his hands smell of bread. here

was a speech about the accounting of peace for us, well, someone said that, well, yes, he had to cut bread, probably they could smell, their left. for me it really opens with a funeral. and they say there that they smell like ship ropes. eh, here’s chagin, whom everyone thought was walking paperclip. uh, he never had any ship ropes in his life. but he had something else; he had a phenomenal memory. and uh, this memory tormented him , exhausted him, and he sought to get rid of it. all my heroes act a little like schliemann and went mono, it’s just possible to consider him as such a hero in an adventurous life, so changeable, yes, that ’s how a person rushes from one state to another and in fact, in the scientific world they

certainly gave him that, like i wish they were all so serious with their degrees of merit, a this one really came. so everyone was relieved and laughed at him. yes, but in the end he makes them all easier, uh, look. and troy found an absolutely amazing poem , which you quote there, yes, well, this poem is also very foolish, if you like, this poem by victor schneider victor schneider yes, and his poem talks about paradoxes. i'll read it for a little while then. yes with pleasure. yes, they say schliemann is a counterfeiter. so until the end of days and not knowing that all his finds were fake the three given to them as remains were indeed often such. he told his wife, my love, my support is happiness, and he himself blushed

at this lie and flattery. without even suspecting that he was telling the truth. and that his wife was his only source of happiness and love. super. yes, the poem is surprising, of course. yes, because a person, being in his fantasy, is aware of this . he doesn't understand that fantasy is based on reality. and this is dialectics , this relationship between the real and the fantastic it is not at all simple and a person often does not understand that he was telling the true truth , in general chagin is in many ways a novel

about the fact that we exist for ourselves in some place and saw everyone in the shell of a myth about a myth. i love history. once i stopped by dmitry sergeevich likhachev to sign a paper. and i was going to the editorial office of a magazine, there was some kind of note and i signed it. he says stay for lunch. company company, but it was an offer they couldn’t refuse, and i sat there for 2 hours. for me, he was always in charge of sergeevich told some interesting things. in general, i was 2 hours late and he said to me, why did you come so late? i say maybe part of my apology will be that he asked me to stay for lunch. i have sergeevich likhachev here. and they said in unison, what is he eating? this was a joke, but it was a joke that followed from the myth that

this man? a purely spiritual entity for a long time. so things like lunch are not about him. well, by the way, he also wrote a lot about holy fools. yes, he wrote and it seems, but he didn’t specifically look at it that way, by the way, hmm, interesting materials collected, and hmm, it seems to be from sergei ivanov. well, there’s also byzantine material. here, uh, well, my wife tatyana was doing a lot of uh, heroics, and i kept thinking, maybe she didn’t see it for you either, like, why did she marry me? yes, or vice versa, she decided to observe. eh, how is it that in any person there is kinship with anyone? and this is absolutely

obvious, because sometimes it’s very difficult to deal directly with being, and its kinship - this is some. i would say the deformation of reality, and in its deformed form it can somehow be dealt with, that is, it seems that there is something very human that makes our life easier, something that is very human. like this okudzhava, and this soul is definitely if it is burned more mercifully and righteously, these are people with a burned soul, people who have no pride, and this is very important, because it happens that even among ascetics. there is some pride when a person begins to think. who that's because i'm probably still a nobody. and irony

, you don’t think so, because he’s always the worst. but this, by the way, is also very interesting in the film lungin’s island, there, of course, is the image of the main character. yes, he bears such obvious features of her kinship and is also curious. this comes against the backdrop of his own personal tragedy. it has a little something in common with roman chaga. yes, when a person has some very serious sin in his soul, and he tries, he cannot forget it, he remembers, and here comes kinship, as a way to overcome this situations. everyone has their own, but in any case, it seems to me that there is something in common here. yes, uh, this is the so-called crisis living. and this is bakhtin’s term. he spoke about a special type of crisis residents, egyptian, for example, and a life, at the beginning of which there is a fall and or some kind of terrible act, because

, as far as i understand, when we read some kind of life, we perceive it , as an example. yes, to take an example, but to take an example from the yarudievs would be quite strange. it seems to me that it can’t be, that one pass on the baton of some school to some tradition and like or am i wrong, but in fact holy fools too, just like ascetics always assume a certain one. eh, so to speak, examples are exactly the same in her homeland and often. uh, let’s say even in the lives it is indicated that he, following, but let’s say he did tsar andrew, so and so and or there he uh, following seed meat, to whom uh he did, so and so, well, it ’s unlikely we will find that some other woman follows ksenia of petersburg after her death and became her husband. here, but a man's dress and

call yourself andrey oh yes, unique history, it seems to me that you are a fool and are interested precisely in your absolute uniqueness. and this cannot be repeated, it is impossible, it is impossible. uh, this can only happen once, and it seems like they were very closely following what happened before them. eh, this, well, in that month there were such information channels, where could they get all the inhabitants of the lives of herod? it was different there were people from very good families. well, besides, you didn’t have to be literate if , say, you were in a monastery, because they usually read it during meals. it turns out that the person left the monastery and became a holy fool. no, sometimes he was within the monastery, as if he

was depressing his body, and they were carrying two-pound weights, 32 kg. yes, they wore moose coats. these are made from different materials. i’m not an expert , i won’t speak here, but it’s described in life. that's what, but this stubble, and not the bristles inside the violence, was so sharp that it seemed like i was constantly bleeding e during. i really like the detailed story about the holy fool thomas. he's the kind of person, uh, no say to hmm very hmm ceremonious but he has the vocabulary appropriate and the vocabulary appropriate uh. that's the scene there. i think i see her well. and if we film this, maybe it will happen someday. here

he is, dying. and he decides to free the city, at least for some time, of pskov from demons, and he walks through the city and everyone knew that thomas was dying and the whole city came out and followed him and thomas threw stones in order to destroy at least the most impudent demons . at some point his vision failed, and he said, retreat light from my sight they put stones in his hands, and he threw these stones at the demons. he’s such a fighter, and foma, uh, holy fool arseny, he was more of a gentle person, and on the one hand , you need someone who throws stones at demons, but on the other hand, you definitely need someone who

talks to angels himself, and these are different types of foolishness, uh, and it’s great that they ’re different, it’s great. so that was the podcast. the life of wonderful people and and our guest was the writer evgeny gorodovich, vodolazkin. hello this is news from the first studio maria vasilyeva at the beginning of the issue, briefly about main topics in russia, a single voting day, for the first time, residents of our new regions make their choice; they can cast their vote both at the polling station and remotely. battle in the zone