you won’t get irritated and give something to the child in return. yes, don’t put it negatively yourself. this means that it is important to take into account two points. here is the first point, if we talk specifically about your child about high emotionality, then high emotionality. it is removed firstly by physical activity. well, your child goes again, but what about the section? well, as i understand it, yes, but still not five times a week, that is, on those school days, therefore, on those days when the child does not go to acrobatics, i advise everything to some active form of physical activity. let's run and take a walk together. this is the first. uh, the second thing is, of course, to give the child the opportunity to speak out, that is , to question the child, because the huge problem for children and parents is that the parents sent the child to school. clearly , our parents have enough of their own problems. and we don’t seem to be interested in the child’s life, the child feels that school is only my business , no one else needs it, as if there is not enough time, but still in order to ask the child about what happened at school friends girlfriends.

this is actually 15 minutes 15 minutes, if we keep the timing, if we clearly control and regulate this problem, it’s actually not difficult to do. and the third, of course, advice is tactility, because children who are particularly prone to emotional breakdowns are tactile. we dented the back, did a massage, it gives. eh, it’s the feeling of release, so helping the release is necessary and definitely important. and, as for this achievement, now, unfortunately, it’s the last decade. there is a huge the problem that our listeners, our parents, dear ones, should know, look, education at school will be found in textbooks and, accordingly, what is a teaching textbook. this is a book correctly, that is, a child who walks around with books. but the trouble is that for the last decade our children and parents have not seen us with books. we stopped reading them because we have tablets and smartphones, as many parents, in principle, are not very good readers themselves. as a result, it turns out that there are children reading inside. you are from the child, if they are with books, but we ourselves do not give examples of this. she understands that the child is pre-teen . he is built on the same psyche, he

imitates his parents. what amazes us? if we don’t count, that’s why it’s very important that you, as a mother, give the children prime for at least five or 10-15 minutes, or take a book, or read something together, or so that the child sees that you at least have books. maybe you rarely open it, yes, for the sake of decency, but we must show the child that his story is with the book. she is as close to us as parents, and therefore we cannot control and cannot persuade a child to read, if we ourselves do not read the child’s a’s and b’s, this is still the result of reading correctly. and this is the reading we must show. well, except for the reading, uh, and the textbook that the kids need to read. you know yourself how dads are handed over to do some kind of projects, then admit it, a 7-year-old child, what kind of presentation is it? well, the beginnings, after all, let's be honest. this is not yet the case, how would a herbarium be collected there, of course, or a source glued, as it were this is what we do again. parents who are divorced are dragging their feet to work. yes, she

needs two children, which means she should also collect a herbarium and read a book, when you have one. you know , we have a tradition of reading books before bed; you don’t always want to, because sometimes you just sit without strength. and so the children carry these books. well , because they already know this, like reflex , probably such a feat in our names that your children are dragging older. no, by the way, perhaps thanks to this. only now i realized it, and she loves to read. so i say that dear parents. the most valuable thing what you can give a child is still to instill in him a love of reading, if the child reads, if he enjoys it, if the right books, then the child will be motivated to do it further on his own without your participation, without involving you in school program. i hope it’s right for anastasia, but to go to the teacher, she understands that something needs to be discussed. this is also

a rather complex dialogue. you understand that your child depends on the teacher, if the teacher doesn’t like him, the teacher will be angry the child will suffer, that is, we need to somehow structure the dialogue correctly. how to properly build a dialogue between young parents and such venerable teachers. here i will give some such practical advice: firstly, it is very important that parents support the teacher in the third, because, unfortunately, as a practical psychologist, i constantly deal with the situation when parents discuss it in front of their child. yes , that’s how they listened to the teachers there. i remember from mine we weren’t very good there, yes, and who was she there? yes, she's been there for a year week. yes, she's just young. we have like our parents, or a young teacher. i don’t perceive it, or she’s already listed it too old. there, the knowledge of her there is recent, that is, therefore, we ourselves are parents. we often form frivolous relationships in children with no respect for teachers, so it is important to say. listen, you are so good , please. follows her

recommendation there and indicates the correct attitude for the child. first of all, of course, of course, because everyone has some kind of negative experience. there is something funny about it. we have to proceed from the presumption of the goodness of teachers. they still are. let's treat it this way and in this regard we need to instruct the child so that the child please obey the teacher. he's good to you. this is the first objective teacher. here. eh, let's just say, the second one accordingly. if you assume that you know the characteristics of your child, that the child is emotional there, for example, and can become shy at the board, come up in advance, that is, don’t sort things out only later, when the problem has started, but come up and say, dear revanna, and there’s sergei petrovich there doesn't matter. as you know, my child has such characteristics. if possible, please take them into account in this regard as well as the teacher, who especially already has some work experience. of course, he will be there somewhere, please don’t ask my child is the first one, he is the first one there to be afraid. if possible there, please let the child think a little there, but because there are people in shlyakh who shoot like that. not all children immediately

begin to answer. yes, someone needs to concentrate with an image, then he’s greedy and pinned down something else here. uh, it’s very important to give these instructions. in addition, now school psychologists are also appearing in schools, sometimes they are well prepared, and we can also approach them. as a mother, you have every right to say. you know, my child is very worried, and the child also has difficulties communicating with peers. yes, or he is afraid of the teacher. if you can play there, if you can, play along, if you can, just give it to the child, because it’s the same school psychologist. just let me tell your child, mashenka, how are you? all like. everything is fine. the child knows that there is someone who can pay attention to the child and will already feel comfortable. strictly speaking, therefore, your task is to show that the child has allies from those who can approach and, again, talk to adults. you will still form the right attitude towards your child in advance and we will avoid conflict, because we are already finding out. oh, there are bad ones. oh, that’s not how my child perceives confrontation. this is the last thing that can happen. because again, teachers with

with great practice they will think, well, listen, well, how could it be that i’ve been working here for 10 years. two here i, it turns out, are pedagogically incompetent. there is something else there, of course, there are teachers, well, somehow it’s categorical, there or the pedagogical there are unprofessional ones and there are in this regard, if you see a blatant, let’s say, a situation related there to the incompetence of the teacher or he, when went to the border and got personal with the child there. yes, this kind of thing, unfortunately, happens rarely, but sometimes there is no need to be afraid to go to the school principal. yes communicate, as it were, with him, so in fact you can defend yourself, but any preventive actions are always much more correct. but here i would like to clarify, because sometimes it happens that the conflict is really resolved within the class and then with the parents, the choice is either to take the child out of school or go to the director, or these, and the director can support clearing simply based on something like that. well, quasi everyone cares about professional solidarity. and then you need to go higher and here

parents give up because they think it 's good. i'll go now and write a complaint. yes, i’m now trying to influence the situation, and then it will backfire on my child, especially. if there is nowhere to translate it, here is how to correctly psychologically build tactics in a conflict situation. well, you know anyway. eh, do you understand? that the school administration is also a director or director. they are not interested in the conflict developing; most often it is possible to find some kind of compromise point, that the teacher changes something in his approach to a specific child, but parents, too, again take their child somewhere under greater control, so that the child better fulfills those standards, those standards that we are obliged to fulfill, like a schoolchild , correct negotiations. this is the whole compromise, what is there, we hear you, you will hear us, and both of them take on some obligations. this is such a form of conversation, it usually ends positively. and in general. everyone is happy. but

if we see some kind of, well, head-on conflict situation, where you are definitely completely we are sure that you are right, as a mother, yes, then we must, of course, move on, if education management, in fact , is always in the mayor’s office, that is, there are people who are authorized to resolve the situation, because in reality, of course, i don’t really like , as a psychologist, transfers children from school to school, because in fact, any transfer is quite difficult, like a story. eh, moreover, many teachers there, as a rule, know, they can call you from school from school. why was there a conflict situation? there will be tension between parents, let’s say teachers or school administration somewhere else. i will add this. it seems to me that here, uh, in any case , it’s a losing situation with the child’s position, because either the child perceives the situation that i lost and therefore we have no other choice. how to wood your own. yes, or he will say yes? i wanted to and i was already manipulated. yes, of course. well, these

are teenage children. they are ready psychologists. eh, of course, i don’t like translations. i understand that translations are only necessary when when a there is a conflict within the class, when the child has become an outcast, when the bullying is so open, when a large number of classmates are involved, that is, this word can already be corrected with the teacher, in fact, if it is a sane person in the majority, we remain teachers, these are sane people, let’s still treat them with understanding . it is important to reach an agreement so that no one raises the issue. on the principle, so that there is a discussion platform. this is a psyche podcast. my name is natalya loseva i am our journalist today expert family psychologist doctor of science andrei zberovsky, and our heroine anastasia with whom we talk about school, how stress there are some other things that confused me in anastasia’s story i would like to discuss this with you, friends, when anastasia talked about your eldest daughter. i heard two things that uh, alarmed me. the first is

anastasia’s control over her daughter, who is already 12 years old, and the second is the pain of parenthood of our time. this is a parent chat. so let's first talk about control. up to what grade should you do homework with your child? up to what grade should you climb? and looking at the electronic diary means that the child has been assigned. yes, yes, parents are starting to find out. parents start sending each other messages in instant messengers that we were assigned today in history in mathematics. this happens very often. yes, not children's parents. well, you know, i hmm, of course, i’m in favor of trusting a child, but you have to understand that the child is in his teenage years. it is not always possible to cope with this trust, so control is limited construction. then, what is the child’s academic performance, and is everything done there for homework? naturally, we still have to do it for the next lesson, that is, in this regard, i am a supporter of control. it should be soft

, there should be control that is not offensive to the child. yes, when we do not doubt, it is impossible to rely even on you, so that these rights do not sound, as if, yes, after all, we must control, but he says that to control, but to praise every successful, home building made there, every successful five is not must stay underestimated maybe, unfortunately, it is you who have in germany yes, here’s an expression. yes , that's the problem for parents. unfortunately, it has always existed and will exist for a long time in the fact that we take fours and fives for granted and nothing. as it were, the twos and threes, of course, evoke negative emotions in us. as a result, the child , uh, gradually develops an association with school and communicating with mom and dad only through negativity, because we only react to negativity, so i’ll emphasize this idea: we must give a reaction to any grades, because the four are fives. don't take it for granted, so to speak. oh, what a great fellow you are. how well done you are! our words go away. you're great.

they better hold the child accountable, respectively, and reduce our need for further control , so there should be control, but not only for the purpose of identifying these same two, which, but they researched to grab a reaction to them right here, to be honest, it takes. that's when you look at this electronic diary. see there's this three. you can where does she come from there in ecology to learn from two types of reinforcement : positive, negative. right? of course, yes, that’s why i’m a theorist, of course, yes, because as a practitioner, of course, i also react. in general, it’s stormy for bad ratings. this is true, but in theory you understand that you need to be praised for a b. even if we understand that this is a b in physical education and against a c. well, in mathematics, for an a, let alone praise it, but for a c and a d, the building needs to be understood and helped and understood underlining not immediately from the position, there are accusations. there's hatred and irritation, and so let's see, there was something complicated. listen, well, it's not that difficult. in fact,

let's decide whether it's 1-2 on the right or one or two. we can sort of solve these signs, that is, we still have to try to look for ways out. listen, what do you think, maybe we’ll try to hire a tutor, the question of tutors, because they all always have enough time for their parents. yes? if yes, i understand that i myself cannot help, then of course tutors are even more so now our online time this is a serious argument and many parents, of course, take advantage of this and i don’t see any negative in this, because again here are parents who do not have enough patience. or time, after all , parents are also very different, but do their homework with their children. there is also simply a lack of ability, because explaining can be much more difficult than doing it yourself. and therefore, very often it turns out that the parent, instead of explaining to the child, he simply does not know how to do it himself; i will decide for myself take it, yes, or just do it like this. that's it . why do it like this and we make

things bad for the child. here's a little life hack. yes, this situation is those parents, and who, let’s say, have free time during the day, well, let’s say, now, again, many parents are there, but they work remotely or your regime allows you to be at home some days, because the main problem is lessons. this is because parents try to help the child do his homework or do it together in the evening, when the parents are already tired during the day, when the child has already forgotten a lot, memory child, it’s not that long, so i advise. if there is an opportunity to be a child at home during the day, at least there. that it’s not every day that you try to practice, so that you do your homework immediately after coming home from school, as if, of course, if the child there is hungry, we feed him, give him 15 minutes to rest, but the best lessons are done right away while the child is still by inertia , the educational process is involved, when he has not yet forgotten how it is, yes. if there is such an opportunity, and again, arriving home, everything i also say that it’s better to do your homework right away and then have dinner. even

if not everyone is there at six, but it’s already eight nine, but having decided to immediately pass the lessons, because when the parents came, they ate there, rested, and fell asleep on the 8th day. and then there are lessons for you, that’s when it happens. the most important thing is to choose the time for lessons as early as possible, as far as this allows, this is a life hack that his parents are tired of. if this is possible, it’s still a parent chat. let’s talk in the end. i think this is the source neuroses, etc. e. there are a lot of these chats, even if the child has one chat with his parents purely, and some of them are the teacher, and there are very few parent chats, as far as i know, in which it is possible to hold such an even constructive discussion. yes, very often the position of the teacher and the position of the school administration slips down. just school chats. this is now, of course, a huge problem,

because as a psychologist. during the school year, i see there almost every week, not just some conflicts between parents, but insults. threats, that is, you had fatal fights with daddies and it comes down to criminal cases, including serious stories, so it’s very important for me. in this case, uh, i’m trying to be a builder, dear parents. will you agree, uh, with the teacher, your class teacher, and the school administration that there are strict standards of behavior? in the chat , no one discusses anyone personally on topics not related to the school, no one rolls away, there are certain strict boundaries when we are just touching on lessons. here is the topic, here are the abstracts and nothing more in order to donate money for graduation. yes please , graduation for second grade. sorry yes, that's why it is very important that teachers and school administrators do not lose control of the chat,

because as soon as they lose control, the dominant mommy, the dominant female, the dominant male will appear there. as a matter of fact, there will already be threats and pressure, which is weak. and that you are poor people there begins and in this situation children, as a rule, get involved in this story and the child feels there that we are poorer there than others in class. or vice versa, richer. i can behave arrogantly in class or towards my boss. it is very important for a healthy core of parents to agree to support the school. let the administration control it. it seems to me to be at all. place it where there is, uh, the class teacher to say that everything else, please report it to me individually. and here is my advice to you as a mother, that it is advisable that you still make one or two or three friends in the class so that in some difficult situations, and you had an agreed position that your children, again, were such a core of friendship among themselves, and in this regard, well , i understand that the life of a child. it doesn't just happen at school.

if you can, again, as a mother of two or three children, make friends and with them there after school, sometimes two or three children go for a walk together, when two or three go together, respectively, to the cinema there on weekends there for some kind of show, as if together this gives both the child a feeling of comfort in the classroom and you, as mine will be calmer, and again you will be less upset; you will send your child to school as if it were a safe place for you. comfort or a place for yourself, this also all matters. i always recommend hater meetings. if you come, sometimes they at least bite you to get to know him personally, because yulia is actually all good when her parents specifically called. what's wrong with the collision? not with pressure. just hello. i’m right there , here’s my phone number. if anything, keep in mind, there are some there again nuances, as it were, of a child in this regard, when i analyze the stories of, uh, the child’s discomfort at school, i was always asked. do you even know the teacher? uh, there they often don’t know the subject teacher, in general, as it were, but such difficulties arise with the fact that we don’t even understand with whom the child communicates there, so involving the parent in school. let it be

within reasonable limits, of course, to know at least what the director looks like. what a teacher looks like, but allows the parent to take the school more seriously, and creates a serious relationship between the parents and the school the child also has a serious relationship with school, so control. let me remind you that we return to the issue of control. there should be control, but correct, soft, friendly and i emphasize the positive. after all, the carrot still works better than the stick. well, i don’t know at 107, how are you, but somehow i felt better. so andrey has built some kind of correct internal strategy, and more pictures yes , the picture doesn’t look so catastrophic , such neurotic friends. we talked today about school as stress for parents too. for children and our current expert, doctor of science, psychologist, family psychologist. andrey sberovsky. he showed us a different perspective and a different strategy for approaching school and building relationships from school. this is a

psychic podcast. and you can watch all the podcasts on the first channel website 1tv.ru hello, i’m still dmitry bug, i still host a literary podcast with a very catchy name. let them not talk. let today's issue be read by a very special one, because this year we are celebrating the anniversary of a wonderful poet. rasula kamzatova. it’s hard to say, he is a russian avar dagestan soviet poet, he is a poet of the planet. i am convinced of this and that is why we decided to talk in the rasul gamzator, this is the anniversary year and that is why there are wonderful important people among our guests, first of all,

of course. this is the daughter of rasul gamzatov , salikhat rasulovna gamzatova, director of the dagestan museum of fine arts named after. e, patimat saidovna gamzatova. hello, salikhat rasulana, good afternoon, we also have an actor from the moscow theater named after nikolaeva anatoly prosalov hello anatoly, hello. dmitry let's start uh, salikhat rasulovna and um. i know that the self-name of our podcast has something to do with rasul gamzatov. so tell me let them not talk. let them read. i remembered that i had such an incident with my dad on his eightieth birthday, they showed films about him. and i once saw him asking and he didn’t really like it, and then the schoolchildren came and read poetry from them. and i saw that i was very touched. i was somehow surprised and

asked him, what about dad? why are you here? when was the film shown? somehow you didn’t particularly like it, but when they read it, and that’s how you were touched. he said why show me. let them read. so it's almost almost. here we will assume that our podcast is named with a quote from rasul gamzatov, which is pleasantly wonderful. well, of course you have absolutely invaluable experience, because you grew up in a wonderful family. uh, artists and creators, and i would like to first hmm hear your story about your grandfather about gamzat tsa-dassa gamzatsa dasa, absolutely legendary dagestan. uh, poet, cultural figure, told you about him. who is this for you, of course, for the mega, paragraph dosa, first of all grandfather. but when i was born and was no longer there.

he died. well, that’s why i perceive it so indirectly, but i always saw, firstly, how horrible the afterlife respect was, i told my father and my dad had very interesting poisonings. if you put it this way, yes. and what does he seem to hear, that when there is no father, he asks a question. this is who i am now afraid of, whom i listen to, and as if i hear the voice of my mother, who is also no longer living, that his if only everything is a board of days and years and just listen to him, that is, this is for him, father. this is the criterion of what one should be and dad was a very, very devoted son, he was not obedient, they said there, that’s him. um, that's his sister over there. hmm, you see, he was not a good helper in the house, so to speak, but he was a very devoted son. and he even

told a story that when he was little, his grandfather went. eh, hmm well, i won’t give a relationship, the price is hunzakh, therefore , because the healing of the father, yes, yes, i even know the name caucasian comes from the garden. yes, little daddy always went to meet him, and one day, hmm, in the winter, somehow his grandfather was late and his dad was sitting waiting for him, and he was even cold, and uh, so to speak, my future other grandfather, my mother’s father, he walked and saw this one. so he took the frozen child and brought home the reinforcement. maybe this is where it all started, perhaps there is some connection. well, he behaves very well. eh, it turned out to be seven. yes, here we are just saying, so i thought the little boy was sitting waiting, and he gradually falls asleep, but he doesn’t go home, where it’s warm,

but he wants to wait for his dad. yes? this is so touching. that’s exactly what we see, uh gamzatsa dosa and khandulai gaidar gadzhievna, and his wife and your grandmother and i think this is a great photo. look at the faces. and outwardly a very attractive person. he was so real. the highlander is always smart and there are a lot of people like that about him. eh, memories indeed. i have legends. he uh hmm lived most of the time in the village, but then he was given an apartment, and in such a main street of makhachkala, and so on. it was lenin avenue, now it is rasul gamzatov avenue 4 near the square. and where the government house should have been. there was then a market there and the grandfather of many people who came to makhachkala and had nowhere to live

for the night. according to this mountain tradition, he invited the cult of a guest to his home , yes, that is, a person who goes to the house, and then there were people who, well, received some of their relatives, but just there were people nearby who ended up like this, uh, without bloody, probably, after all, they didn’t lead everyone to them. my grandfather was such a person. he was left an orphan at an early age and was brought up in the house of his uncle, uh, an arabist, and maybe, so, so, as it were, seeing life from the inside out, but this is what you think, therefore, this is the cucumber code. he was very observant. this is also a very important story. now it's time to talk. about the museum that you head is the dagestan museum of fine arts named after patimat saidovna. and gamzatova. well, here we are we see rasul gamzatovich. and we also have a photograph of the gamzatov spouses in your a

mom and dad. this is a beautiful photo, these are funny, just like they were filming, well, this is our teaching famous photographer who came, kamil senses, and he has some kind of photography business, then it means questions. he said, i don’t remember, even this camille feels or dad said, come on, that’s why she was in the kitchen, idiot. let's take off under the burka, and she also laughed like that. yes, the burka is very big, yes, but it swings open. yes and he is like this he said, come on, just like that, that means walking to the music. yes, she, too, had such artistry. he was very good at playing the situation funny, and he called her like that. they were right there watching when they filmed this? we didn't even think that it would be published somewhere. so they’re like a bourke hat and a tie, you don’t even

notice it right away, but it’s very harmonious. but the most important thing is that these people are happy. yes, because rising is, of course, a muse. e rasula gamzatovich is not only a wife, but also a muse of relaxation for poetry, and to her museum the sauce is there, yes. this is her brainchild, interesting. yes, so we had a local history museum, and in 1958 they adopted a resolution to create an art museum, because by that time there were already many artists and uh, in the thirties a large collection of russian and western european art was transferred to the local history museum, including and painting, and in 1958 the museum of fine arts opened, and strangely enough, although this is what it is. it would seem like a beautiful organization, well, until the year sixty-four. there were six shifts there. here about five or six or seven directors for six years yes practically so uh, why? they

changed so much and didn’t want to get involved in museums? i don't know who the fuck. well, this means a lot . so they took turns, and as if there was no person who wanted to do this, so my mother went there. well, she turned out to be a very good leader, and she told the story herself. that when she came, she was surprised that uh, hmm , money was allocated for the purchase of exhibits, and they were written off for non-use, that , no matter how they were not engaged in this collecting activities. well, of course, this activity has developed, and we have all the collections of decorative and applied art. very good very good insult to preservation i will tell you the objects of the museum fund, as a museum worker about 19. uh, now, uh, thousands of units. but, well, when my mother died, she was 16 something wonderful. well, only

7,000 units of silver are preserved in a special storage mode. yes, you and i know things, as it were. well, these are 7,000 declination units. e. they were beautifully put together with her. we mentioned that that we will listen to poetry today, and performed by anatoly prosalav. now this one has come and we are now going to listen to a poem , uh, which is dedicated to the mother, it’s called mother, because uh, mother for rasul gamzatov. and in general, for people from the caucasus , this is, uh, something absolutely sacred. so anatoly prosalov reads the mother’s poem. as a mountain boy, i was not tolerable , not a rumor in the family circle, and with the stubbornness of adults i rejected all your instructions, but the years passed and i did not give birth to them before

fate. but now i’m often timid small in front of you. here we are alone in the house today, i no longer melt in my heart, and i bow my gray head on your palms. i'm sad mom. it's sad, mom. i am a captive of the stupid bustle and i have felt so little attention in my life. you are spinning on a noisy carousel, wherever you go, but suddenly your heart will clench again. really? i started to forget my mother. and you lovingly bear the reproach, looking anxiously at me, you will sigh, as if you had inadvertently shed a tear, a secretly armored star, sparkling in the sky, flies on its final flight. do you have your boy in the palm of your hand? gray-haired lays his head down, it would probably be appropriate

to ask you. well, how did it happen that you began to professionally read the poems of rasul gamzatov? what happened to you when you began to read the poems of rasul gamzatov, what about translation? do you know if you were interested? well, in general, tell me a little, it’s terribly interesting. you know from the other end of the family. yes, not from dagestan, but from your side. it seems to me that like most, let’s say, soviet children. we all started with the cranes, because i am the grandson of front-line soldiers, my grandfather fought in the war, my grandmother was driven to labor camp and the theme of the great patriotic war is very close to our family, and that’s why the song “cranes” has been heard since childhood, and when you always hear it, it brings tears to your eyes. well, you know the song, but even as a child you don’t understand who the author is and you don’t show interest in it, and already

you’re interested in rasul gamzatov and the realization that the song was written based on the poems of rasul gamzatov i learned this in high school, when near the school in my native lugansk, in the park on the tomb of the unknown soldier was installed the monument to the cranes and there are quotes, of course, there is a quote, uh, there is a red army soldier, turning into cranes, a very touching monument. and there the quote is not in the ground. they once lay down, but turned into white cranes, that’s why i even speak and this melody sounds inside , these words sound. you remember them, you know them, and probably the most famous lines of gamzatov’s pickle and maybe, well, they have acquired a lot of meanings. it's not even literature. isn't that right? this is something more than literature. this is inside, and therefore

without this uh victory day and makhachkala in dagestan was in makhachkala uh. here's an amazing story in 2010. we were on tour with the gogol theater, and uh, we already saw the erected monument, and the taxi driver, who uh, oared us, boasted and spoke, and rasul gamzatov, our famous poet tovarsky and lenin avenue was renamed in his honor, which is absolutely fair and we wow , how interesting and at the end of the tour the administration of makhachkala gave a gift to all the theater participants. it was a collection of poems. and then for the first time i read the collection already i looked at some things and selected them for myself, thinking that maybe someday i ’ll read them somewhere from the stage. and now, actually, almost 13 years later. it's great that such a good

story appeared, really. i remind you that i am dmitry bak and here and now a literary podcast. let them not talk, let them read. please tell me about your dad’s journey, and dagestan around the country through the soviet union then around the world. they somehow responded to the family, he brought gifts, told something about where he had been, who he liked to meet, because, well, his fame grew. he didn’t tell the children that way. here. well, my mother also somehow didn’t meet with adults for days, somehow she didn’t tell me. and i remember that almost my entire childhood. just like that, we were waiting for our parents to go somewhere, come back and get bored, and i remember what the story was . my sister told me that he had a classmate

who was so sad. why me mom? okay, 3 days. here i am crying with a kiss to arkachev. she was crying, mom came back and said, i’m telling you, we had a fight at school, that you are mine the diary is not signed, and she signed it for me 2 months in advance. and another month ahead. this is wonderful. you can get deuces. and here is a wonderful photo of the gamzatov family and here are the three sisters. yes, yes and again it is clear that these are happy people. yes, maybe tell your sisters where you are, well, mom’s older sister. and here is my sister, just a classmate who would not understand if she was crying. fuck why is she crying like chekhov's three sisters? yes yes, let's now, according to tradition, let's move on to

the author's section, and in this section we either we read something from the classics of the 19th century. either we comment on some elements, also classic ones, or we show books; this section is called old book. well , it’s somehow not very correct to talk about the gamzator, as about old books, these are living books that are with us, but still they were published a long time ago. here it is in my hands. eh, three collections. eh, rasula gamzatova is just from my bookshelf. as is always the case, the museum objects are not stored in the museum. and these are just my own books. literally a few words. they, uh, one of them is a book, which was published, uh, soviet russia is heard and a star speaks like a star, and for those who know, uh, poetry, it is clear that the year sixty-four is the year of the sixties. this is the year of popularity of andrei voznesensky, white akhmadulina evgeniy yevtushenko was so

okudzhava and very important that in the sixty -fourth year. it was published in the same year. the book by rasul gamzatov and this is a very, uh, important fact. this means that he is already in the magazine not only of avar and dagestan literature, but also in russian literature, and the second book, uh, which i would like to show is a book that was published in a series of collections that received high awards. here are the poems for this book. eh, high stars. it's called the stars again. by the way, this is me, only now i realized, high stars. this book is published by soviet writers. it came out a little later , a few years after the first, but this is already a book by a lenin prize laureate, that is , several years pass and rasul gamzatov becomes such a recognized classic poet during his lifetime. we can say that after all, gamzatov has his own view

attitude. this is also gagarin's taste and name and so on, very fashionable. this is a braid. theme and he has high stars, but these are people, people, high stars. they would have been given to me only before you. great what did you mention about this? i was born in the year sixty-one, so in my generation everyone was yury , that is, there were a lot of yuryev because gagarin is an absolutely iconic figure. and, of course, there's this headline. eh, the spirit of the times and the dagestan book is also very interesting. and again here is space as long as the earth rotates. by the way, a poem, and of course, of course, i think, maybe now we will do this, yes, that is , we see that it is no coincidence that this is the formulation of the poet of the village and the planet, because rasul gamzatov is based on the values ​​of family, traditional , rural mountain. he, of course, enters a different orbit if we continue this style. this book was published already in

the seventies in makhachkala, but in russian, which is important. and translators may be important. mention, and as far as i know, the translations were made into russian by his classmates at the literary institute, yakov kozlovsky by the comb and it seems to me that the wide audience is precisely in their translations, sunny , and understandable to the russian reader. um, i don’t know if you’ll say this later or not, but i’d like to say that it’s for the avar people. and rasul gamzatov did a lot. he translated pushkin's poems, of course, and introduced them to them. yesenina and uh-huh well, yakov kozlovsky on umrebnev, of course, these are classics, but a lot of translators translated all this. yes, of course, the ancient kazuks won’t come like that, even such outstanding ones translated poets. e simonov and from rozhdestvenskaya,

then they translated him and you can see the snow and elena nikolaevskaya i live, a classmate of hers translated her on the street. yes, yuna moritz is indeed known to many people who have translated this translation. uh, it was translated by marina anatolyevna akhmedova , also a very good poet, and uh, she worked for many years. now he heads our dagestan writers union. and now recently avrutin translated the poem for dad, that is, it continues, that is, yes, not what was translated. we are talking about transfers continuing, some people are transporting themselves butt and very unsuccessfully and for some reason from russian to russian, which is completely sad. yes, well, you know, on the one hand. it's sad on the other hand. this is slava, the people's poet. yes , anatoly, you promised us the elements. okay , i'm sorry, please. eh, the same ones as long as the earth turns.

i drank the sun, like people stepping into the water across the highlands, towards the red sunrise, the red sunset, following in the edge of steep and proud peaks, where hearts have a special ardor, i drank the stars from the speech of the mountains from the cold springs , drank from the blue heavenly bowl in the green thickets and meadows i drank air greedily. the sweetest infused with clouds. i drank snowflakes where the paths intertwined over the steepness and i remember the snowflakes that i sipped melted along the way. i drank spring. when the ashes bake in the mountains, here and there, where the north is strong in degrees, i drank frost like they drink vodka, when i used to drink thunderstorms. whose glory to the lands the road seemed to sparkle at the top edge of a glass, the rainbow and the rose hips bloomed again. whose

hops oozed from the dark rocks? i climbed krucha, inhaled the intoxicating smells of the earth 's beauty, i reveled, blessed its destiny , fell in love more than once, was killed and drank songs, as in sang a song. the nature of the human soul is complex. i drank with friends at the same time in the hour of joy, bourgeois from honey in the hour of grief bitter wine. and if i drank with my heart, then i didn’t drink for fun and for those, i saw the ashes at hiroshima, i heard the festival and heard laughter and, blowing sharply, as if on beer, to blow away the empty foam, i drank the essence of life. she is not deceitful, she is truthful to life, the essence is i love and rejoice and suffer and drink my day to the dregs and again i feel

thirsty and for that, life alone is to blame, let me leave the world. once i did not quench my thirst in it, but people thirst for this thirst as long as it turns earth. wonderful. thank you very much, in my opinion, it is very consistent with the nature of these lines. yes , this is a translation by yakov kozlovsky, of course. kozlovsky is one of the best translators and think, what a poem, it really is a lot, yes, here, uh, named , yes, and the photographs are very consistent with all this, because this man is flying. as a matter of fact, yes, and collections that are called to the stars and the stars are mentioned, of course, what does he see in the mountains. uh, in the caucasus the sky and stars are like unclean, so there is such a world of transparent air farsightedness and at the same time the hospitality

of the family, kindness. here’s another thing that’s important: yes, i like this kind of poetry. there was even such a famous poem and song : yellow leaves, leaves, people are still falling. trampling with galoshes, there is something here with evgeniya’s galoshes or people have forgotten how much good mitsubishi was once crushed. i know that new leaves will grow and new gatherings will appear, but for some reason it seems to me that the laws of nature are unfair. it’s so touching to write about these leaves. yes, and he seems to be saying, well, what’s new to him is that, well, autumn has found it. they fell that they still had new feelings there, and he felt so sorry for these loved ones that people forgot how many good emotions there are. once upon a time they gave me something like this. this is love even for the fact that you seem to understand that this is a law of nature. he says it's unfair. i think this is something like what he said about his dad and his parents. yes, which are the highest courts, yes, then what is no longer there,

that is, we must appreciate what is leaving people, leaves and nature and the past is very much your fears, there are a lot of such covenants. here take care of your friends, he has them there. matvey, and after the death of his mother, he wrote such a poem that those assholes who are no longer alive, why cry, join me and me, live your best mothers from all sorts of problems from any troubles, protect them at all costs, you know, he was a friend in his readers are a person who goes through some kind of experience, and he says, it happened to me and he does the same thing. and so yes , as a matter of fact, but this is a continuation of the reasoning that we heard from the first friends. he says i stuck to them. weakness. how many years have my friends left, how many have left me? it's nice. i wanted to ask you, and i was a little uncomfortable. suddenly you remember little or don’t

remember, but it’s clear you remember your father’s poems. this is so wonderful, here and now, a literary tackle. let them not say, let ot gamzatov be a friend of his readers. gamzatov was, naturally, a wonderful father, husband, son, and so on. but he saw many more people. let's take a look now, just at these faces. eh, here is muslim magomayev khrennikov well, very recognizable people, that is, representatives of different types of art. eh, great photo. let's look at the photos already, but with other authors. this is konstantin, he is the already mentioned konstantin mikhailovich simonov and chingistarikovich. and this is swearing. and here it’s already international. yes, this is fidel castro, uh, this photo is in the harbor and

look what kind of conversation it is still unknown, who is more yes? i read this in my memoirs. uh , the man who communicated with dad just during these years, dad was. naturally, there was a translator there and he gave me a burka i wrote a poem to fidel, but when they communicated, then it seemed like such a person was a little overweight, and fidel joked something to the translator. and dad saw this and asked. and what does he say, he jokes about your figure, he says, say yes to the revolution, we were also slim, beautiful, beautiful. well, fidel castro and rasul gamzatov won’t even immediately say who listens to whom. eh, well, there were other meetings. this is archbishop makarius, the first uh, head of the president of the republic of cyprus yes, a very unknown figure. well

finally, there is another wonderful photograph where rasul gamzatovich talks to fellow countrymen. apparently, yes, and clearly. that these elders are wonderful e not young people are very attentive to rasul gamzatov, it is clear why lenin’s face was renamed, of course, look at this photo, because he was not a stranger. yes, because he is one of his own, well, gamzatov knows how to joke. he knows how to be witty, he knows how to be ironic towards himself, and he, of course, is always in love. or rather, his lyrical play is always in love. that's exactly what it's about. they say a poem, oh, which we will now hear performed. eh, anatoly prosalova, and if there are thousands of men in the world. that’s what it’s called anatoly prosallov, if there are a thousand

men in the world. matchmakers are ready to equip you. know that in this thousand men i am also rasul gamzatov, if a hundred men have been captured by you for a long time, whose blood rushes with a roar , it is no wonder to discern among them a highlander named rasul, if 10 true men of fire are in love with you, they are hidden among them, jubilant and i am grieving. i rasul gamzatov, if he is only crazy about you, is not inclined towards ambassadors. know that this is from the cloudy peaks, a highlander called rasul. if you are not in love, no one is sadder than the gloomy sunsets. this means that

rasul gamzatov was buried in the mountains on the basalt plateau. and how did your dad feel about glory, he understood his scale and the degree of his fame. he felt like a great poet, dad. he said that when i go there should be more doubt than conceit, and indeed one told me. here's a friend. she uh, read daddy's poems. and so, uh, she talked. i also heard him say that when i entered the institute i thought that i was a great poet when i graduated. i thought i was just a poet. and now i’m wondering if i’m a poet here, such caucasian wit, yes, floralness. look how the person says, yes, and this red-tour, she, and she said, she once came to visit dad.

he asked fain what do you think, that’s why i said that you are a great poet, that is , you understand, he the higher he went, maybe the more something is comprehended, the more he understands, but uh, it kind of covers this one. well, he's just that, yes, responsibility. he was just thinking about this, and he has a poem for his mother. he addresses his mother, he writes, how would i make me slava? but now i need the night, like burka, and you, like the dawn. that's what he i remember, he even once said how this is the top of his head, except for the fresh shirts. i don’t need anything else, but i’ll say fresh fresh in all honesty. i don’t need anything, to be honest, he and my mother had such an interesting union, and he was a creative person, and uh, at the same time. uh, somehow they printed a lot, and my mother was just so much more organized.

and uh, the house where we live in makhachkala, otherwise it was all built by my mother, he generally didn’t do any farming, and he didn’t delve into what it was and he really was a person who could communicate at a very high level and he was very he was very friendly to people. and when, after his mother’s death, he was in the hospital, um, i came to visit him, and he laughed and said this. today i am two hundred plates away from being fired. they say let's go to work time to buy food, they were caught, they said, eh, what we are carrying is gamzatov’s reason, he sent us, and we went to him and said, say that it was you who sent them. well, he was a member of the president of the supreme council of deputies. well, i see , there are even such mediocre officials, whom people are afraid of because he was the kind of person who would be behind a woman, they could

come up with something and say something. tell me what we did for you and they knew that he would help them with everything. he reacted somehow without asking him. well, in the same there was a case like this in the hospital, it was not the case ; he was there, when all these intensive care nurses were there in the evenings, they sang songs to him , they told him, they remembered how they communicated with him. just like he and dad thought. eh, he told me what he said. he says, i thought that people had become so callous and angry , these girls. they tell me everything, what kind of songs they sing, and that’s how they got him out of themselves. well, you know, uh, this photo is very good. i would like to conclude our conversation today, despite the fact that the man has traveled all over the world, achieved heights of glory, but still for real, and he feels at home here in his homeland, dagestan

, riding on a horse, and this is a parting photograph that says that according to these rasul gamzatova, life will be fine. i thank you from the bottom of my heart. eh, thank you very much , rasulov for this most interesting conversation. thank you very much. all the best, i'm sure i'll see you again. well, anatoly , i also thank you from the bottom of my heart, because you are a wonderful reader of gonzatov’s poems. well, to you , our dear interlocutors. i remind you that everything podcast episodes. let them talk, let them read , you can watch it on the first channel website 1tv.ru

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