there it is a miracle, how can you decipher a miracle without going crazy, it is completely ridiculous and the epoch how can you decipher an era? how can it be separated into its component parts, it turns out to live for a very long time, what if it’s mine? in order to become a young handsome man, there cannot be another partner like him. it’s just that if, uh , russia is given a gift in another 100 years, then that’s already good, not a single dummy. although vasily has never allowed herself to go on the road in all these years. fire lonely actress

hello, i'm larisa guzeeva this is a podcast letters. my guest today is the honored artist and artistic director of the tsaritsyno growth theater nonna grishaeva hello , are you still on time? i'm catastrophically out of time. well , now i’m graduating students. i

had a course at getse. yes, you will now feel a little bit easier. well, no, you won’t refuse anything cinema. oh, i refused , there was a period when i was invited to head the theater, and i took a break to think about what i could give up in order to do only theater and there was a period when i didn’t filmed. yes, i needed to direct all my energy to the theater, and then, when the theater was already on the rails, and we began to take off. i returned again and began acting in films and television. you know, i think about everything all the time, except lyudmila gurchenko and you. even now i can’t remember anyone at first glance. you say it’s like an actress, as if you were born artists, and i’m just such an artist, that’s why i play her, that’s why it’s because you’re bursting like this

and i can’t live any other way, you can live without of your profession. no. this is my air, especially the theater, without which i cannot live. and when i realized that you can’t, and i’ve been on stage since childhood. yes , i know, and tell me about the first time when you left the clinic with your mother, in my opinion, yes, you were years old. yes, i was 5 years old, and uh, we left the clinic. it was the royal near the opera house. dima kharatyan starred there in the film “photo on the wall”. and i immediately heard music, grabbed my skirt and started dancing in circles. she immediately ran up to her mother. remember, he says, can i have your girl in the shot? this is my first one. eh, you understand the shyness of their musicians, and you right at that moment remember, yes, i remember. yes, i remember, and i remember, from the age of 6-7 i was already organizing solo concerts for my family, writing programs, the first number of the song was such a fable.

you entered the graphic school correctly, uh, i entered the ballet school at the age of 7, and the music school, and then the bloody theater studio, where i played my first leading role as a professional for 10 years. tell the stage of the odessa operetta theater, are the parents of huli lily in you or are you in defiance of everyone, i still went and signed up for these circles myself. this means that this often happens not, but my parents immediately realized that there was a degenerate in the family and, uh, they began to develop these abilities of mine. that’s why mom sent me there and there, and there and they didn’t say this banality to themselves. first get the profession of a doctor, and then you fool around. how much do you want? i don't know what's wrong with you. mom even went to moscow when she was admitted. and why, i was such a homely girl. well, how was it possible to let me go alone in the nineties and actually entered everything, as we all do, i came everywhere and when i went to the shchukin school.

i said mom i will study here mom said yeah yeah yeah. i’m mom, i’m telling you, i feel, i’ll study here, but who did you apply to? i went to alba, grigor, chuburov. yeah, and then it turned out that vladimir vladimirovich ivanova was my classmate in the course. masha aronova anya dubrovskaya teacher. and even though you immediately entered shchukinskoe, my mother did not leave me. why a, because she came to the hostel and saw. and where should you be, and he said, no no, you’re here you won't remain like your mother. no, she took me back to odessa and entered the vocal department of the odessa peasant. i studied there for a year, my mother spent the whole year, why are you ruining my fate? i can't. i want to go to moscow. i want to tell you to rent some kind of apartment from your grandmother so that she and you can look at the money. we lived very modestly, but still studied in

odessa this year. yes, that means yes, and i passed the exam in vocal and acting and the director of the music school called my mother and asked what your girl is doing with us. take documents, take the child to moscow and i came for the second time, my teacher , professor valentina petrovna nikolaenko , recognized me and said to me, my little bird has flown from odessa. where did you go, then that year, imagine, she remembered me with 300 people in place. and my mother took it away from me. she says, give me the documents immediately for the third round , and yet i stayed in the same hostel. yes , but what to do? and after college all the theaters wanted you? well, just all of them. not all of them, but three, uh, wonderful lenkom theaters, they took me to the vakhtangov satirics and i chose, of course native vakhtangovsky. it seemed to me that they knew me there; there was no need to prove it. e. oh, no, i had to prove it again, like and

how many years ago. and it seemed to me that everyone from yuri yakovlev to lanovoy carried themselves in their arms. this all happened much later. i played for many years, only small roles, tiny little ones. yes, yes, yes, for many years, and i even thought about leaving for another theater, because here they won’t give me anything anyway, but in the end, uh, when i managed to break through and prove, this is this a very long way, three programs are not enough, and yet i am incredibly grateful to vakhtangov for the fact that my partners with whom i played love were yuri vasilyevich yakovlev vasily semyonovich and it was absolutely happiness. these are people who, despite their status, their stardom. yes, they were absolutely amazing partners. firstly, they are men, and you are a young girl with a pretty, uh, who suddenly

fell into their tentacle. why not love you? you know, uh, i once had a funny story like this with yura vasilyevich connected in the play the three ages of casanova where i played him, and the last beloved francesca in poetry. and they warned me when they introduced me, maybe the performance went on for a long time and they introduced me. i was told that yuri vasilyevich sometimes forgets the text and thoughts, which suggests that you should learn both yours and his, i sometimes suggested it. well, one time i failed to do it. he missed one word, and uh, hmm, everything was sent out to me. no, the meaning has changed. i’m even a saint of his poems, you know? listen to the fairy tale, once upon a time there were two people, and on his most beautiful he and i say brother and sister. he says, i say, that means you and i. igor vasilyevich forgets one more beautiful word and the meaning completely changes. he

says, listen to the story. there were two people, she was his, and he was me, and he looked at me. what can i play in poetry? i say brother and sister. he says, well, i say, that means you and i and bury myself in his lap, because we are both split. sasha is dirt. that's all, when we were injecting drugs, they didn't notice it in the hall. they don't hear. they do not understand. they think that this is how it should be or because that he is always inattentive. not always, because with vasily semyonovich i had a different case. he just completely knocked me down, and he himself always told this story, and i played in the play frederic or crime boulevard. it was for his anniversary that he played the great french artist frederic maitre , i am his mistress, a young artist, a beauty, to me in poetry. i come and say, good evening. i came for my evening kiss. he

says, good evening, my joy. good evening, my sweetness. today we are we were having fun, spreading our wings on the boulevards, showing off our legs, coming out of the this is me, i say, yes, yes, 18th century france and suddenly vasily semyonovich tells me at one performance that we were having fun today , spreading our wings on the boulevards , showing off our legs, leaving the trolleybus. 18th century france, suddenly getting off a trolleybus why both himself and himself, of course, split up lanova and friend yes, so that suddenly someone doesn’t know this oh well, they heard it in the hall. these are, of course, those who are on the ground, they will definitely hear. there on the balcony, maybe the sound didn’t reach, but here no meaning gets through. that's what oh well, it's hard not to fly trolleybuses. yes, the 18th century, france, do you understand? oh, well, if semyonovich is a different story altogether, i was incredibly lucky once, and valentinosefovich loved my work very much. so, he even

signed a book for me, and he invited me to st. petersburg to receive an award. he wanted to give me the figaro prize and uh, we went with vova simonov uh wonderful. seryozha makovetsky i was at an innovative performance. can you imagine, we were traveling on the train in the next compartment. e, valentin iosifovich woof and vasily semenovich lanovoy and they invited vova and me into their compartment and until 5:00 in the morning larisa we were present there is such a modern word battle at the battle of these two great artists, they read poetry in turn. and volodya and i. so everyone , uh, valentinovich basically knows how uh hmm the man who wrote the epigrams. yes. yes, i don't know, we communicated very well with

him. she didn't write an epigram for you. no, well, he said these words to me every time we met, that my wings were growing, crimea was just growing and i wanted, uh, something do even more. and what amazing things he wrote - not epigrams, but simply dedication to the artists. oh, long-suffering, dear faina , the slammed piano of the sad notes in it is exactly half of how many were not played, and it’s a pity that he went through it, i want to tell you about our brother and sister. and so, in general, a lot is attributed. yes, yes, so we sat with him at this award, seryozha bezrukov came on stage, and he leaned over to me, as he says, an epigram is attributed to me. i didn't write it. i

love him very much. i think he's in the process i fell in love, for example, with actors and gave up a lot. well, i just said that it wasn’t me. this is also very boyish, i am endlessly grateful to the vakhtangov theater for providing me with such an amazing opportunity to communicate and work with the greats. when i came, i was a moron about the novel grigorievich viktyuk and performances. i don’t know you anymore, dear partners. and the makovets fimo sherin and lyudmila vasilyevna maksakova and i remember that i then plucked up the impudence and asked roman grigorievich. you line up your bows so carefully, it’s straight separate performance. that's why it's so why that's what he answered me, and i remembered it for the rest of my life. he said that he gave them energy for 3 hours while bowing and took it back. i

had such an exchange of energy. no small sharp objects should be left with children. i was told that you are a very good doctor. for someone. i'm not very good. this is a wizard who communicates directly with the soul, you know, we are surprised. i don't understand. absolutely. after all , she has everything looking all night. can you speak politely to your parents? and we tell them pills and special boarding schools, why do they suffer? herewith, without lies, sergei puskepalis's last role in the film is a doctor, so writing down the recipe after each heart-to-heart conversation becomes easier. premiere on

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the program one on one, probably one it was exactly one on one, the granddaughter is a serious number, a parody for me. and now you’re playing on purpose, i’m playing a play, tell me this is based on her. eh, that's according to her two. applause and lucy stop like this this is my favorite job the hardest physically mentally emotionally probably because 90% of what i say is from lyudmila markovna's faces are consonant, true, yes. the only thing we have in common is what you say, it seems to me that she is so prosperous, but she was married. well, quite a lot of years. well, yes it happened, so then you had a second novel. if you want, uh, i’m forbidden to talk about this topic there. i'll stop. well, everyone is interested in their personal life. she's not

like you. eh, stormy, like lyudmila markovna’s, just think, well, there are three of your famous novels , uh hmm as they say, the first extreme marriages ended in giving birth to children. here's a lyudmila markovna was better off with this matter, right? of course, but there was this long period when they weren’t filming and nothing happened. i started acting after 35 years. larisa well, look, well, lyudmila markovna was filming all the time all the time , of course, but there was no level of a carnival night . and there was no such audience recognition, but she was filming, she was always making tiny little roles, like how the colonel took me away beyond the cordon of which she broke through and gave out. but there were no big roles, but there were no such the main signs and only then later did the beloved woman and the station or two appear. and now let's go. let's go to work again.

fate brought you a great deal. no, no one time. this is where our performance begins. i 'm talking about the one and only time she walked by backstage. and i because i idolized her all my life. i got stuck in a wall like that, and i couldn’t approach it, i was afraid. i have never spoken on television. now i’ll say lyudmila markovna starred in a cruel romance, and the film was based on ostrovsky’s work and she played actress from melskaya. ildar alexandrovich cut out her entire line. here they were being written, and i was sitting doing my makeup. i was still young and i was scared, but somehow i was different from everyone and suddenly i was such a star. she said, as you say, the surname is guzeev, change your surname. all your life you will, well, act in an uzbek film. we

told him, there’s not enough russianness in this girl , remove her eyebrows. i had no right to vote and i never talked about this in any interview anywhere. uh, and my makeup artist took hydroperite and repainted my eyebrows black sables in red color and there are, for example, frames. ah, well, i can see straight away, then they grew back. mine were getting dark. and hmm , they removed my eyebrows and made them red, and she also said, look, i’m thin, and i have round cheeks. and i had sunken western actresses pulling out my teeth, and she said for the suit, i swear. lyudmila markle, i’m looking at me now, don’t be offended, i’m telling the truth, and then i couldn’t, how would make-up artists say today, what are you doing? myself? why and instead of emphasizing the chips, they made me white then it was difficult to spoil me, but they did it all. yes, you understand, and i was afraid of her.

i was very afraid of her. so what i want to say is that our sister is mixed up. i wouldn't deify anyone. but here are such bright characters. uh, these are such bright people who, uh, go through their fate. of course, they toughen you up a lot and they shape you, and they’re more interesting to play with. naturally. well, who would you play? let’s take the wonderful vasilyeva with dimples? who is kind to everyone and perfectly plays fate, of course, lyudmila markovna is always for i was e with such a guideline in the profession. it seemed to me that if i were to be an actress, then it would be someone like her, who could no longer exist. just nothing but a dusty pavilion. well, i didn’t need anything , neither husbands nor children, but in words you say, you know, and i don’t need anything except the stuffy pavilion of the engine combat team and a wonderful state of bliss when

it turns out what you think is worth it, well, put it here. on the altar of fate, on the altar of art. no, that means you don’t have that much in common, and i’m drawing conclusions and that’s why uh alive, otherwise for me family hmm is a priority. yes, because i realized very early on that uh, life is primary, art is secondary. in general, when i remember people like paulo spekaeva, well, truly a genius, they left so hard. and they had such a complex and personal life, and they sacrificed so much, especially women, yes, who sacrifice children and do not give birth and so on, but still you have to, old age, loneliness still comes and you no longer have these roles, but you have roles we end up very early because that every day they come, swim across, and new nones jump up and down. i'm sinning. you understand, in some we educate

ourselves, so should i really agree with you completely? that is why i try to spend as much time as possible with my family. well , you’ve already managed to do so much today, so if you don’t act again, you’ll never gain a course, you won’t start. you're already uh. look how much i managed. it seems to me that i still have so many plans ahead. but what about your personal life? it turned out happy, yes, but tell me, why did this first trial marriage not fall apart, huh? through the fault of your husband, you did not ask for success; you were colleagues. we were colleagues. no, well, i just, i don’t want to talk about it. i fought honestly, but i couldn't win. illness, then you had

a second man for quite a long time. yes, your love and your best friend, who doesn’t speak at all. now i have completely forgiven everyone, everything is fine. it’s easy to forgive, no, it’s not easy, but i ’m working on myself. i know that insults are evil. and it's very bad. for your soul in first of all, all sorts of illnesses come from grievances, so i work on this and try to forgive. and when i really forgive, i immediately feel such relief at a certain time. i was so stressed out that i just said, that’s enough. and i already have it. well, it's just not that last straw. i've already had it all poured out. and at a certain age i stopped taking a blow completely, that is, i have no skin left, and i can’t take a blow. no, i'm just dying. yes, yes, and i

learned. it’s just that it’s approaching , just now i’m already feeling intuitions animal. i just understand that this is where i will suffer. moreover, it’s scary. this is where i get hurt. and here i will die and you know, i say, no. no. no, he tells me, you are mistaken, larochka no, we will blaspheme and cherish you. and just pull it. and i know for sure that they have been deceived and i say directly, thank you. i can not any more. that is, if there at 30 years old, i would run and take it and think nothing, i’ll still be afraid of it, then now we’ve reached the end of this limit. it’s good that intuition works, and i also have very strong intuition and i always know i feel, i already i learned to listen to her. and there were some stories when intuition helped, when they told you, but find it, but it will do it, but you didn’t do what you heard yourself and i still remember, remember and have never regretted it, very many, many such stories threw off connected. a no, basically,

the theater and i, when i left the vakhtangov theater when i was very seriously offended, i left. and only then a few years later. i understood why the lord sent these trials. if i hadn't left, i wouldn't have been offered the theater lead. i would have sat there and continued, in the theater they said you must be going crazy. who leaves such a theater, right? tell me about the family, here are two children for you. um, how do you educate um? what is the main thing you are conveying? well, i, for example, sometimes i don’t say it, it’s not difficult to explain this to you. let's do it this way. it’s simple, well, if you’re older, just take my word for it. uh, because i'm older, but i just know for sure. well, because i don’t have time to explain my experience to you. just trust us, you definitely don’t need to do this there, in this one, believe it and don’t need to. i don't i say, mom. yes, cool, but very rare. i can say this there once every 3 years. for example, you have something from which you

directly shield your children and say, you don’t need this experience and will never need it, of course, of course, that’s exactly what i’m saying. how are you? just believe. you understand what mom wants. so that everything goes well with you. here, just believe, they believe there. well, not at all with children. the most important thing is love and trust. the child must trust you so much that even if something, well, catastrophically terrible happens. he's everything he must also trust you so much that he must know that he can come to you with this trouble. what will you help? you know, i had with my children, well, such a point of ethereal upbringing and dotted relationships, which i regret, there was no day and there was no night, so that i did not pray, did not ask them, well, forgiveness. uh, because i was afraid of not having time, i

had no one to rely on, and i brought my mommy with me uh from orenburg and i needed to arrange all this. i was a single mother. i understood that i had to plow. and if you are already starting plowing is part of your future, when you get married you give birth to another child. and you seem to be protected. you still work like a horse. i missed a lot and i feel it, i have these bald spots. i can't fill them with anything. and no matter how i turn them towards me today. there are times when they directly say no. mom it's too late now. and you had enough wisdom and intelligence to keep your finger on the pulse with children. with my first child. i missed a lot, but i drew conclusions. i really wanted to achieve everything in my profession. but when i i gave birth to a second one, i said that’s all, stop trying. now my family comes first, i won’t miss anything anymore. what a difference in age and as soon as i

said it. everything happened right away in my profession. immediately i was like oh, how does this happen? but i still realize that a lot of work has appeared. i still tried not to miss anything with my son. tell me they are now showing you that they saw off september 1st. they didn't celebrate the birthday she promised for the new year. but they offered you a corporate party, no, but i refused. i always have birthdays, new year's, i always refused corporate parties, i was always at home, i am my priority. mom, mom took it right away . um, as soon as i gave birth to my daughter 27 years ago, a year later i took my mother from odessa and helped my in-laws. ah, my mother-in-law died when i was still pregnant with my daughter, and

there were nannies and my mother helped. everyone helped and then the second time when i got married, uh, mother-in-law, a good attitude still helps, right? i remind you that this is a podcast of letters, and my guest. nonna grishaeva, have you built relationships with older women, or have you everything was so wonderful. well, this is how it happened. everything was not great with me since my first mother-in-law. and even my own son couldn’t live with her, not like me, but what complaints there were, well, there were a lot of people, but i served my dream. i’m not the same, well, of course, but their son. yes, yes, but with my second mother-in-law everything was different and there were no complaints against me, despite the age difference. my family immediately accepted me. you gave birth to his grandson,

whom they adore. no, of course, when a son brings his grandmother into the house and she doesn’t give birth and neither one child and no grandchildren. but it would be offensive to you, it’s all offensive. but you are doing great, everything is great. tell me, do you still dream, of course, not about children, in general you have dreams. i dream about grandchildren, of course, and i dream about roles, there are roles that are straightforward. here i am dreaming and keeping my fingers crossed. for god's sake, if it's not a secret, but filippovna is no longer there. no, thank god. no, i dream about a filumeed hmm yes, i still dream oh no, everything is in your hands, you have your own theater. oh no, i dream of strength and skill in the vakhtangi theater. you think, what else can this novel be repeated with the theater? so where am i playing lucy? you have three vakhtangovs and you are on the staff of the theater they are i

returned to the vakhtangov theater for contracts, i play in three performances, so listen, everything is in your power. do you have everything for filament? yes? yes, everything is not so simple in the theater. and who are we, marcela? well, who do you want? well, who do you see? i see andrey ilyin yes , beautiful, but there should be something like that. this is such a breed of rap butler yes, uh, marcello, this is all of the same order, as if the hero should be just sugar and honey. cookies with marshmallow candies. he was handsome here, but not a little bit, his age is already taken away, and the legendary performance of the vakhtangov theater where simonov played you remember him, but i didn’t see the performance and edouard de philippe was at this performance and said that this was

the best performance of the play. who was lyudmila maksakova what are you talking about? you know, when eldar aleksandrovich came to our graduation performance, they removed me from the role of the heroine because i missed the rehearsal and behaved badly. i fell in love and they replaced me with another girl. and all the excursions visited above me, in my opinion, go and look at yourself, but i knew that they were looking at me. well, how can i tease me about how i had such a rally. and ryazanov then said, it shouldn’t be like this when on stage everyone wants a heroine, and in the audience no one knows what kind of story i have. a fantastic story was cut. it made a big difference when he came to watch our parody of office romance. dima team. i them he easily. and he said, this is a girl. i know she also parodied, imploring him in the garage. if i had known this artist before, i would have featured

her in all my films. and my mother and i are here tv already. we didn't see this. it's all editing. when my mother and i watched the program, we started crying during lunch. you’re just presenting a screen, you showed me great. i just remember how i hid from you. we met mark more quietly. how to explain to the swallow that it is passing and he is baking , he says, there is an ultrasound of him. hide hee hee i was hiding, because i think that you will scold me without stopping. do you remember what i told you? you are so beautiful, it just relieved my heart that you are talented. talented human. how is it possible that you are such a clown actress? uh, we say it again, with such an appearance, it’s rare that anyone can afford it when ugly girls play in comedies, because well, what else do you have left? say thank you to fate and play yourself. what did you want? but tell me. thank you. it so happened that your legs are 15 cm tall

, your ears stick out instead of a nose, and so on. well, well, yes, you are gifted and good, but you will never play katerina in a thunderstorm in your life, well, never well, because, well, that’s how it happened. weren't you scared when you went over to this side, and along the company. eh no. i would never be afraid of being ugly. i spoiled myself at the shchukin school. so that the department did not recognize me. i played with the box. that is, i was substituted with cotton wool like this, you know. i always got a kick out of it, because the character of a heroine lasts a long time, you know, and when you carry it around with you, like a hen with an egg, this beauty of yours, in any case, you understand 35 and you won’t be able to play it anymore. well , unless you have some kind of connections, as they say, like cinderella. well, don’t play you already and the fact that you extended yourself so much is really cool. thank you rarely, who would dare, and especially a woman to read zhvanetsky.

well, because zhvanetsky’s text and a woman’s voice are somehow incomparable. and i blessed you. we talked and were friends, and we were friends and talked and it was absolutely happiness, and during his lifetime he allowed me to read himself. he said, you are our girl, odessa , you know how to do it, and i absolutely just felt happiness when summer was in august every year. he gathered us, and in his a chair was covered at home. he went out onto the balcony in odessa. yes, he went out onto the balcony, took out his briefcase and opened it. and they just checked what was written on us. and he gave you something, and from his own. well, whatever you do to earn money, maybe you have a program. i have a program , a book was recently published. natasha zhvanetskaya released a new book. yes, i wanted to read it to you. the most delicious and

harmful the most pleasant amolest the hottest illegal hence the thoughtfulness in the eyes of many. what can you do for 8 hours straight? it is impossible to just sleep and work eat drink love dance. and you will really like this. how to distinguish real diamonds from fake ones. in the face what are your plans for the summer? and i’m going with my family to the sea to relax. it turned out to carve out three whole weeks in the shooting schedule. this is incredible. in short, i was just lucky and my children and my husband are with me and this is happiness and friends will come to us there from odessa so that everything will be fine. i want

you to do well, because you didn’t suffer as an artist. you just got it. it is a gift that you use. you have right. uh, and it’s a joy for you, you make people happier, and i can’t help but say. in our theater, we begin rehearsing without traditions in september. the director is my friend alexander nesterov, aren’t you playing kharita ignatievna? no, i'm not playing, i'm helping. this will be a musical performance. it was a writing podcast and my guest was an award-winning artist. nonna grishaeva thank you, thank you, you are wonderful.