will be good. i want you to do well, because as an artist, um, you didn’t suffer. you just got it. it is a gift that you use. you have the right. uh, and it’s a joy for you to make people happier. and you want more, i can’t help but say. in our theater, we begin rehearsing without traditions in september. the director is my husband alexander. you’re not playing, uh, kharita ignatievna? no, i'm not playing, i'm helping. this will be a musical performance , i keep my fingers crossed. it was a writing podcast and my guest was an award-winning artist. nonna grishaeva thank you, thank you, you are wonderful. hello this is a podcast,

tatyana gevorkyan is with you and our episode today is very unusual. you and i are going in a time machine to the brightest and most unusual time in the nineties, and together with us , perhaps the brightest stars of the era , irina saltykova shura and sergey penkin, will talk about fashion and style of that time. then first, i’m sorry to everyone, i’m sitting in these. eh, tight shoes, i immediately say they forbade me to wear what i came in and they told me to wear it. this sasha, like a gentleman, overacted. i was on my way to see you today. i think i don’t want to go like everyone else. well, friends, this week we are discussing everything. tender may, because it was yura shatunov’s birthday. and, of course, we remember the era of the nineties, probably in our memory, our generation - this was the brightest and most adventurous

era there was. what kind of memories do you have, the best ones? hmm, considering that i was in the same year when yura started drinking and i was invited to work in the siberian traffic light group, so funny traffic light because we stole traffic lights and put them on the stage. they blinked beautifully and we worked barnaul kemerovo tomsk krasnoyarsk i sang yura shatunov’s songs live many, many years later razin, when we met, we became friends, they said, and we were looking for you, you bastard. we were looking for you. we knew who sings it, we live all these songs, maybe meet yura recently. may he rest in peace. yes, he behaved very secretly all his life. that's the kind of boy he was in himself. well, yes, i would say. well, it ’s interesting that everyone had a different style in the nineties yura he is such a generation, denim, denim, in short, what was here and he wore it. yes, the guy from next door. well, shura

is just kings, the same as you were called. yes, i didn’t have enough money for pants. i went out in shorts. yes, and since it’s a sex symbol, but they added it all up, it was all beauty to invest. i am alisheru. god bless you. well, that’s only later, but initially, yes, initially no, but you can name the brightest, most fashionable stars of that time. in your opinion, of course, aguzarova. and who else? well, according to those times i feel very sorry for them now. why don’t we somehow talk about this singer, this is marinkapura irina who gathered in stadiums and sang blues and jazz and pop songs. well , if we take a group of technologies, they somehow seem to work like durant juran. that is, there is a little electronic music, they were all in leather and black. but bright. well, that’s what i’m saying, but here’s zhana guzarova. before fame. i was the most

fashionable. now, i remember now, i ’ll tell you now. eh, i literally just remembered it was then. yes and here are some fashionable shoes. you probably weren’t born yet, but i’ll tell you now my story from the nineties, where i took things here. well, that is, my mother’s sisters, one of them was a store manager there , the other was just paid. yes, yes, she has a lot of girls she knows, uh, who work in stores and so on. and that is, how something so fashionable appears or was called girls threw it away. they called and naturally, i definitely go there and buy myself, naturally, there’s a queue of people, it’s extraordinary there, i don’t know about 200 people, maybe, or even more. well, we have no queue and there are only red shoes for the whole, so to speak, the whole of moscow. well, let’s put it roughly, yes, and i called my friend and said, let’s go fight for the shoes. well, no, we have

the opportunity to take them, there is a back entrance and so on. we went here, the same shoes. er, well, i mean, they were and are still fashionable. that is, uh, a thin nose and a small heel, that is, cyclical, it was so bold to go out on the street in these things, because i am in short supply, i understand, i am going to institute, and the whole carriage. just the whole car. i'm standing, they're watching. like this on my feet, because i was then inspired by the clip, remember. there was a clip of a background, he was blonde, there were girls like that in brutal soldier’s boots. it was wildly cool. and i realized that i wanted these shoes, but it was impossible to buy them, because well, you couldn’t even buy red shoes. but this is about what year are you talking about now? well, these are more nineties , after all, some kind of boots. yes, yes, yes, no, i’m just a little earlier i’m telling you somewhere nineties beginning. but this is probably

the mid-nineties, and i went to some market. it’s already clear there, yes, the military man bought the boots of a soldier of the romanian army, in my opinion, markets appeared, yet we somehow climbed through the showrooms that were in the apartments. and it was also illegal, it was also a secret in such a way . it was in general. it seems to me nothing. no, we haven't changed. it seems to me that they still exist. absolutely not, then you still need to somehow manage to run over someone buy it quickly for yourself so that it doesn’t happen again later. there were a lot of repetitions, it comes to a party where the same thing happens to someone. well, we had such a small choice, you know? this is later, listen, who had different beginnings. i’m just trying to catch up with you, then i came to see who were the coolest in the nineties. it is clear that yes, and pop artists are musicians. and you also remember cher, who all the girls wanted to meet with representatives like bandits of the profession, by the way, we

’ll get to that no, and the coolest fashionable guys were music video directors, that we are we them created. that's later. yes, we look good. yes , this is the nineties, as if there were three video makers, only yes, there were only three of them. no. it was a little more you already got it. wait, i 'm just you, just this, yes. it was gusif, yes, he filmed the birth no longer. or then they scolded me for starting to shoot videos , they tell me, wait, come on, we’re still someone there, how and where what inspired you, where did you get things, because it was all wrong, just where i just want to know the origin of your bright stage suits. well, first of all, it all didn’t start in the ninety-eighties because it was the year eighty-six. i worked at rett intourist space and tracontinental and my husband

traveled abroad a lot. at that time i worked as a janitor and went abroad on tour. therefore, well, people stayed there to work for me. so we were in singapore , in america, in canada, in italy, and in germany. i want to say that i brought some things from there, but basically, if you take our stages, everything, mostly jeans went to the arena, so get it something was impossible the nineties were such difficult years. something, uh, was bought somewhere in the markets. so i want to say that, uh, i came up with all these costumes myself, that is, he tells me that it’s so bright, i took all this, uh, from a ballroom dancing store. and by the way, i remember, i was just now watching, preparing for the program , watching old videos and found a recording from 1987, where you perform at a concert, and in such a modest jacket, such

a modest young man, not a single rhinestone was made. shchedrin yes, yes, yes, yes exactly there no, then i didn’t work at rita’s yet we just seemed to be walking. and this is how the evening turned out. i was invited to this evening. so everything somehow got twisted and confused. but then i had this magazine , a music kiosk, where they called me something like what a great man. 14 there’s some cheap, sweet-voiced singer somewhere like that, but i thought you were. it was so warmly received by everyone, maybe the audience, because not everyone understood this kind of music. you see, i always go, as a pioneer, and i always get all the playwrights. i come first, but because after me someone takes from me example of doing something. well, it's good when they take a good example from you. and by the way, i heard somewhere else that, in my opinion, in 1988, they performed with a cinema group somewhere together. and that almost viktor tsoi and

his wife, natalya razloga, sewed on you uh trousers, yes, they weren’t even trousers, they were like arabic trousers. these are uh 87. yes, eighty-seven. you performed quite modestly on stage, and then in 1988 on stage. i didn't perform. it’s just, uh, there were such youth evenings. and so we went there with the artists and everyone left for yalta, but i stayed, evpatoria, i’m a director, i say. i say i want to leave. me why me why is everything on me and first of all, we have different music? why would they understand me? he says no, he says, everything is fine in eighty-eight, just here, and july, in my opinion, is the month. eh, i've arrived. uh, viktor tsoi as his girlfriend. so i was embroidering these sequins and sitting there and uh. they helped and supported me there. we were such a mixture of everything, we were friends one day and the song, baby, you worry me. they wrote this about me, then

drummer. this group. kino already mentioned this. i didn’t know about this, this is an amazing story. viktor tsoi was sergei penkin’s stylist. he also just helped me ; they sat and laughed and told me somewhere. eh, my friend helped me alter the alterations, because i had to do everything with my own hands, because there weren’t the kind of fabrics that you come in now, you just sew. it might even be simple in general. uh, make some kind of loops and the suit is ready, but before all this didn’t exist. attention, you are in a time machine, now we are in the era shocking rhinestones, sporty chic and a riot of color, we are discussing those dashing ninths for a visit. uh. now she lives in her duma and wishes that on sadovoy i’m saying this, i’ll tell you, i’ll go to the toilet, they’ll help. wait, you can't. well , why can’t i open a huge one, or? now this is their mansion. well, i’m telling you what

the hair is like. overheads all over the heated floor, like a bathtub, we dry the curls beautifully. well, because it was fashionable then, yes, when you listen, i look now, in fact it was so funny. after all, actually, i'm nothing i remember it was so funny. these hairstyles are our nineties. uh, yeah. well, it was fashionable. it ’s just that you opened this pandora’s box about the criminalization of the 90s. eh, here. you remember that back then there was a very clear division by style. all these different, uh, social strata of the population have a tracksuit. naturally, bandits were still visible, but they had two styles. this is a crimson jacket or tracksuit. it’s not like that for men and women, it seems to me that you’re a little pre-gangster today. yes? yes,

no, like, well, fagot, and you also know this. here. you wouldn’t have dressed like that, yes. in the nineties, you know, a crimson jacket and a chain, you wouldn’t have put that on me either, it was just for fun, damn, the inserted moronic pancakes are moronic, and so he’s huge, and they’re also made of foam rubber and like a closet . well, what's good quality? we didn’t have any things, everything was just some good consumer goods. here it was on my sleeve. this label is always right here. it had to be peeled off. for some reason , our lads decided that no, on the contrary, civility is what is needed here, and now again i i want to add, yes, to add to this now one of the italian designers, and she released this collection in the nineties and even here the label says 1999, well, we’re going back, we’re going back. yes, first the athlete will give everything about that, a silk

suit, then a green suit, then a red suit. and eighty-six yes , the first foreign cars appeared, but now there is no such thing. now everyone dresses quite straight. that is, you could never tell by the style of your clothes before. sorry, this even happened before how much did you buy there for say a suit for 3,000 gold, you’re a complete fool. i bought it for five, that is, than you. e paid more money. the better it was considered. well, then people started counting money, then everything became different and everything was sewn. yes, there were very few russian designers then who could not, firstly, the hare was a very good designer. very good. and you know, i didn’t dress for him, but according to his design. he has a long coat there , i remember how now there was such a brooch, uh, a black horse cap, uh, some interesting ones. i i think that for this he was a very cool designer and was friends with bergardeon. there and

in general. well, it was very beautiful if they take our fashion, uh, take our clothes. all uh these uh all fashion designers, probably from the cracks, these down jackets and felt boots, as they are called now. uh, there’s also now just now, if you remember this, a lot and they take from our styles, then the first boots with coco chanel locks, in my opinion, someone there uh took, uh, an example of our rocks there, that’s that’s all, uh, it comes from us too. yes, this is straight russian style. this is a separate direction in world guide now your attitude towards stage costumes has changed compared to the nineties, when you wanted it to be brighter, they’ve been different for longer, you know, now there’s a lot of hmm, everything’s bright. i don’t want to go, like everyone else, i want to go against the current of these. i want

something else what are you planning for the upcoming concerts? what outfits? well, for example, if it’s a symphony orchestra, then you can go out in a tailcoat. there with a shiny vest. some such interesting things, which again are not like everyone else’s right away, you can do something from nineties. you left it in your wardrobe. there are some things that are dear to you, some kind of memory. uh, with some kind of connection with some events, in which there is a cloak made of laser discs. uh, i remember it’s strange, like why markalma? in our country it is so unknown how famous it is, after all, it is a stadium that gathers in italy, france, germany, uh, in the nineties it was famous, and now it plays. but here, somehow, i don’t know. so we performed with him, i also had such a platform there, that is, time passes, but

somehow you change, you want, as it were stay in that style , but you are growing up, and so that it doesn’t seem funny from those times, you have some things that evoke, just some warm memories, you don’t want to get rid of them with a stone suit. and this is the famous cap. yes, when i leave, at the end the hall is already exploding. he screams, as if this is just a symbol of the 90s, yes, well, maybe, yes, well, in the nineties, not only physical boundaries collapsed, but also the boundaries of our perception and and everyone began to dress more shockingly, everyone began to read some completely different literature watch a movie and that's it. this influenced us greatly. these are the things that inspired you, that everything has changed so well, cherkizon

has opened up to see more travel and began to travel. ah, i don’t know all kinds of museums, excursions, and so on. we began to simply live a real life, which we envied back then. looking there, it's television. but what things did you bring first? here are some crazy ones from these trips abroad. i had everything , i’ll tell you, my first trip was abroad, i need to say. uh, i think so, hungary talks about everything, and i had it, i don’t remember now. i was still married ; i had, like, it seems to me, only 300 dollars. and maybe more. well, for some reason it seems so to me, well, it doesn’t matter. the main thing is that i brought, and i brought two huge

bags and a third. i had a bag full of pots and pans. because when there is still a hostess yes, that’s why i understand normally, that is, what are you talking about, not only things there was a shortage, there was a shortage of everything , there was a shortage of a good life. we had one a hat made of uh, silver fox for the whole family. and when i put it on, i tied it, here are the ears. mom , when she put it on, let go of the ears, and there was also one jacket for everyone with pickles on brother you on me in the first half of school. if he doesn’t have it there, then, and then i had nothing, but at home there was everything , a carpet and a wall with legs and a biryusa refrigerator and a tv. eh, zenit or what? and everyone went as if they were on an excursion? did you go on an excursion to us just now? and when you started like this , just like on stage and it will show, that is, it’s always

like this, yes, and in childhood there were opportunities like this dress. well, possibilities. what mother listened to, we will download happiness, the first beautiful shirt, buy nothing. perhaps the military shirt is green, i cut off the shoulder straps , made them leather, made this leather strap, this strap, leather pockets , these are all, leather cuffs. we cut it off there. where necessary and painted with potassium permanganate further steep. i have everything openwork, an association of women passionate about needlework. listen to the circle, do you understand? they just knew who i was talking to. there was no need to approach me, no one ever said anything bad. i could catch up, also grandma don’t bother him all the time, heavy hand, move away from him, better smile there and run away. and when did you start working so actively? uh, in the realm of variety. you probably didn’t have time to take care of your wardrobe; there were stylists, like you, meaning in a trance. i mean i

was already an adult when i was. well, of course, our little hole was eleven years old or cher when we came to our country. oh, i had alisher on mtv with liszt, too, with alexei? only a dude, of course, yes. i really liked it, but they still take it into account in general well, i wanted, when i came to the stage, i wanted to explain everything at once, not dinner, so i had costumes on guard, and it was beautiful as it was, mmm. listen, i got it. here are all the most fashionable things. this is just the most chic . mom couldn't be reached. this is an exclusive if someone has feathers, all this is all the ceiling. this is the pinnacle of everything you had, right? no, well, actually it was on the same highway. when we went out to buy cognac, we were traveling from city to city on the big bus with the ballet with irina at night, the highway costs lac. eh, this one is behind bars window, grandmother sitting with a candle inside, but this is the nineties. yes, you know, on the highway, i say,

some top artist there comes with potatoes, and you’re already our bus. what helps the bus are the unique steps. they were leaving. these are the exit steps. oh, this is such a grandma. i think what the hell kind of candle is this ira candle? it turns out i’ll buy it myself. that's it , let's go and let the suit loose. it’s just that after the concert we went through everything like that, and why do i need my back, because there’s no one to guard me. myself and my grandmother are shaking so much virgin mary virgin mary ira says this, two dachshunds. this cognac is such a long bottle, complete shit. well, what happened? it was really a beautiful costume, and shockingly spectacular, sashka’s in one direction, i’ll touch the other, i have such beauty in my head. we even have photographs. let's take a look at your

images. how beautiful, yes, this inexpensive dress is generally in the middle. yes, this is what alisher did. and this, in my opinion, here you are a real paris hilton. oh well, nothing. what is this, these are some brands, no. this is on the right alisher yes this is a russian designer, yes, who dressed us all then, this, this, and a handbag. look now, it’s just as fashionable. absolutely . and that’s where your bottle fits, which you bought on the road that night. no , they're not like that, damn it. this is so long. yes, also, by the way, it’s relevant today, yes, yes, and there are also cats from the edge of the forest. if you see it, if you want, then you can do everything from there. this is the pink dress on the left. and this, in my opinion, was a sheet of tolkachev awl and on top there was such a transparent cloak

with silk boots. yes, yes russian designers mine this one is the middle one. this is me saying again that the dress is inexpensive, i bought it somewhere. i don’t know where i put it together beautifully already? do you see? why did you show it at all? nightmare sasha, people also have taste, and in my opinion, this one on the right you performed somewhere on the new wave, right? it's not. it was the universal song of the year, 2002, i think . it's so beautiful here. very beautiful. and what kind of white fur coat do you have, sash? it was luxurious , here in the photo. on the right, guys, it was the first fur coat. uh, diesel. yes, there was earflaps. and in general, earflaps from novosibirsk. this is really my hat, in which in winter i wore fur coats and shorts at home. these are not shorts, company underpants, tim is just ordinary. i just folded it on the elastic band, it was written dima, well, the company has passed, and the coat

is still on the jester or shersha coat, and the boots are straight. you were talking about boots, too , it was crazy to buy these, you see, you were outstanding. in short, you have some designer shoes here, they were sewn on. these ones have already found these fittings, and these are ordinary human underpants. yes, just like that, yes, this is the image of such pants from the polish magazine lada. these ones, which we sewed are arabic ones. hmm, these are leather embroidered ones at the golf club on mosfilmovskaya, too, right? then they embroidered it themselves. well , of course, we helped. someone else from

the ballet needs a jacket for me. you definitely brought a jacket. where did i bring it from? there were also suede boots. i also made these brooches on the sides of the boots. well, it was great, i even knew that uh, we were at this party. i knew my mother on german . i even have a letter from warsaw somewhere. now they lived modestly, they were not rich. it’s a pity that they didn’t know anna, so i was familiar with husband, son, and german and now with her mother, they themselves are from russia, and she taught. here's stone vest, she taught german and russian in warsaw. did you also perform there? yes, in 1988 there were some youth evenings. and so we performed in warsaw and in budapest, a free

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also, pagers, mobile phones, i said that the guys immediately gave you a mobile phone, when i was lost in moscow, the beginning of my career there, and

then the guys gave me this one this is some heavy bullshit. this one is like this. i did not know, how to call it, i’ll be honest, but i knew there was a separate thing there, a separate thing with a handle. here's the thing with the pen. and then there was some other wire like this, lord , i could only answer when and i didn’t know where to dial on what. i’m still not friendly with technology at all, and that’s why i have my phone today. it was unrealistically cool. that is, if a person with this huge handset, in order to make a call, he had to be pushed out already. i was kind of terrified. yes, they dated it to seem cooler, they cut these off some kind of telephone receivers. just like that, adding, like, like, this is not a radio tape recorder, they turned it around to face you and carried it around, as if it wasn’t. and this is a radio tape recorder, remember, it takes the radio tape recorder, but you don’t remember from the car, so as not to steal it. i remember there was glass work, of course, in cars during this time, right? this is not about me, i didn’t buy such things to

show off. i’m a practical person, motorola was the first to have phones, but i ’m very calm about this, and there are artists who want to show you. here i am, here i am, if i have nothing to trump, i just know my worth. i i know that i can come and sing. and how to conquer with another, and they what car did you come in? did you do something there? well , you know, like this, some kind of collective farm, what is it for you in general, right? well, you know, there is such an expression : “meets you by your clothes, follows you by your mind,” but i want to say that fashion is an expression of oneself ; fashion is beautiful. fashion is, but you understand. there are two more things: it can be fashionable, and it can be stylish. let’s say there are a lot of young people now. here they come, white sneakers, black pants, wide white ones shirts. when i was driving to you today, i was thinking about

what i don’t want to go in, like everyone else. no , somehow all this has changed, let’s say, now many things, let’s say, are not in stores, but i find uh places where they sell uh, silk. uh, some other things. i was there, they walked me turbo- summer shirts, because i can’t walk, t-shirt. i think this is well, mike, how is everyone else, how is it somehow sloppy? that some kind of dirt i love these silk shirts, beautiful, good smelling and well, being with someone is beautiful, i probably don’t know, besides filming the performance. this one is beautiful the costume is extraordinary. yes? and this is what it was and this was not something crazy at that time. no, i'll tell you now.

well, yes, yes, i remember exactly 5,000 euros, it’s a corset, a skirt and, uh , well, a coat, or something, you still have jeans, this is now generally just the coolest thing you can have in your wardrobe of the time. i don’t know, in short , we were fashionable. so i’ll tell you, i had a shu. we were counting for a moment. do you know what year 94 i remember exactly when? well , because in the ninety-fifth place. and this dolce havana is everything. here you see i have this where? where is metelitsa? and this is, by the way. speaking of which, leather is also very fashionable. and lama yes. this is a trois. it was i who went to paris specifically for shopping, and bought myself enough things and now the azure program is the eternal girl of herbs of the nineties. it was just a store. what

should i do? the fact is that i’m really very much alone with my dad, and he loved me, he earned enough and spoiled me. that's literally it. yes and this one or cher is your favorite, my photo from my entire career, this is a gorgeous photo shoot. she's always here, just set up, the only transition. this plastic one, and on the second day, when it was opened, we went there and filmed in a red background, says metelitsy. luna by the way, it's my birthday, this is my birthday, right? what’s so sad about a birthday? it’s a moment where god is tired of guests. congratulations, congratulations, we survived the nineties, so we are not afraid of anything. yes thanks a lot. yes thank you.