it's a thrill to do what you do. do you like being the host of such a big program? i really enjoy being a part. i really like it, and i think, you know, sorry, i’ll interrupt the coolest thing in your program, that they brought back this topic. eh, with ordinary people, they are with stars. and when you have a chance to communicate, uh, with ordinary real people, it’s much more. it seems more valuable to me, or what? yes, i’m also very glad that they really returned to the old format, that ordinary people are playing and i want to thank our guest editors, because from a huge number of applications. they find real diamonds. actually. we always have very interesting heroes with their own unique fate, and with their own interesting hobbies. and it's always super interesting, because people are very sincere plus up to the program. i always read the hero profiles of all the heroes. they ask me to remind you that at

the beginning we still have a qualifying round, we need to correctly arrange, uh, some things. yes, that is, the sequence must be correct. and the one who is more correct the fastest person to answer sits in the player's chair. that is, in the end, for the transfer. i play with two or three people. but at the same time, i study all six questionnaires. and i am always interested in correlating the information that i received about a person before the transfer. yes, i read it through the questionnaire, but with the real picture that i see in front of me, so it’s natural. it’s not just that i’m given some specific, leading questions. because i already know something about the person, but because i’m interested in hearing how he himself will talk about it, what he will answer. here, well, or to bring it to some topic. yes, which was mentioned in his profile. and again, everything that is indicated in the questionnaire is told to the participants themselves. that is , there is no information there, you know, that we dug up and we want to touch something like that there, for example, no. we have a good transfer, thank god, and in general everything is fine. kindly, but there is some special guest,

perhaps, whom you just remembered. listen, but you always know, it’s cool when we come up with some funny moments. and when we laugh when, and this is such a subtle art, when a person understands that there are some funny topics that other people in the whole studio can actually laugh at in the good sense of the word, and he himself begins to pedal it. i always have endless respect for such people, i try to be like that myself. when, for example, i also come to some shows. i understand that if a person is there, uh, where yes, somehow make fun of me. i myself, on the contrary, will make sure that he says it, and he does it, because in the end it is spectacular. in the end it's great. and i always love our guests like this too. it seems to me that this brings a little relief. well, it’s not like it’s being framed, but you know, they make such accents on purpose, you know, then, for example, i’ll ask about something like that, which then people will laugh at, in a good sense, repeat. two words

not to make fun of, but simply to lighten the mood and really turn things down. it's always great. we met when you were a super singer, then you became a figure skater. after that, you began hosting a sports program on channel one russian ninja that is, it was later that you became the host of a sports program. after playing sports. after that, you and i went. on who wants to become a millionaire. do you think, dear juliana, that your career is on me? yes it seems that it’s already there, well, not that thanks to you, but i believe that i’m not saying that thanks to you know. i believe that in general everything i a little bit is not accidental, simple, and and this is all big, a single mechanism in which every little screw matters. cog and, of course, one thing pushes something else and that’s it. in general, this is a big lump that rolls, rolls and grows somewhere. i really hope

to get around to it over time. that’s not what i meant, i thought i’d wrap it up a little with the fact that figure skating inspired you to such achievements that you not only became a highly specialized performer of your beautiful hits, but also became a tv presenter of such a figure show. yes, i remembered on the wall, no, it’s not connected in any way. this is with my career. i’ll probably even tell you. unfortunately, it would be funny if it was somehow related, but it isn't. the long path is interesting, and also thanks to the ice age project, which took me a couple of steps closer to my dream to my result to what i have today and to the fact that i became part of the big family of channel one on the topic of media our athletes. why do you think our athletes of other sports are not as media-producing as figure skating athletes? well, firstly, because, probably, after all

, figure skating is one of the most popular sports, and the most spectacular, and with uh, probably, if we talk about the world level, the most, well, or one of the greatest achievements. yes, there is something to be proud of, there is someone to be proud of, because our athletes are always very cool in this sport. we've already performed. it’s been there for the last decades, it’s pleasant when you drive and you’re proud of it, besides that now i don’t want to offend anyone. and i hope i don't offend you. still, what i saw is my personal experience. a-and guys in figure skating. well, not that they are more erudite, but let’s say they are more connected it was with the media sphere and with art that it was a great discovery for me that almost all skaters are very well versed in art , literature, and music. and, apparently, because you skate a large number of programs, including artistic ones. yes, there you are very well versed in classical music, cultural

education, we have it, not that it is necessarily present at a high level, in general in our cheerful conversation today. there still has to be a fly in the ointment, so let's stutter a little distance our athletes. e from international competitions. i know it's the same in the artistic field. big problem, how do you cope? how do you artists cope without these international tours, perhaps, and where do you find inspiration for the desire to continue? and i think you haven’t suffered as much, haven’t suffered at all, compared to athletes. my heart really bled when i read all this news, because i have no idea. what does it feel like to spend your whole life working towards your olympic medal? that is, for you this is such a peak. yes, which one are you every day you climb with sweat and blood. you put your life into this, and then you find out one day that you can’t

perform, that you’re suspended, or whatever, you perform with some kind of restrictions. i don’t know what people feel, it’s probably some kind of total emptiness and disappointment. not just in sports, in life, in people. this is terrible. this is terrible. and i really wish all those. the atom who encountered this, in the end, will still receive some kind of emotional return, yes, from the results that they already have and in further. perhaps reach some other heights, but of course, i think this is monstrously unfair, because this is a great sport. this is an honest sport, these are people who, with their physical labor and talent , prove every day that they are unworthy. and why they cannot perform is a big question for me, because in my opinion , politics and sport. they shouldn’t be connected, i’ve already listened to you, yul thank you very much. i

wish you to have only tears of happiness and never for any other reasons. stop smiling at you with your dazzling smile. i wish you to get my leader. thanks a lot. our guest was a wonderful singer, tv presenter and former ice age participant, or anna carlo . this podcast is a must read. i'm looking at batnikov. my guest today is natalya usha, musician, lead singer of the melnitsa group, and we are discussing the argentine writer horhela and the collector and his image of the world, like a library, natasha, hello, please tell me, this is how

the chilavis of the melnitsa group is associated with her, probably still. eh, with some fantasy games, maybe with the lord of the rings , beowulf, irish sagas, then suddenly you choose the theme of borhis and it seems that this is unexpected. yes, but if you know you well , you are a candidate of logical sciences, a linguist, and uh, in general, the worlds of borhis. they contain all possible plots and please tell us what you have in common with this writer. why do you love him? i'll tell you, yes, i'll tell you why. i chose this particular writer for our meeting, you know, if if i had chosen some kind of scandinavian or celtic studies, i would have spoken here as a professional on this topic. i would include a lecturer like natalya andreevna, a professor at the department. and now we’ll talk about registers, irish sagas, blah blah blah. well , this is probably not very interesting for a literature podcast, so i decided that, perhaps,

i want to stay. in this case, not a specialist, not a teacher, but a professional reader. that is, this is what i personally find interesting to read, what makes me happy, like readers in literature, especially since somehow noted absolutely correctly. i'm not a literary person. moreover, i am not an espanist. i’m a linguist, and therefore it’s exactly the same as in all medical systems. i say, hello, i'm natasha. i'm a professional patient. here. today i want to be a professional reader of borja, i myself was a professional reader. he somehow emphasizes e in his own. this is exactly what i need and the main role of it is to read it. yes, and this is exactly what is close to me, because until the end of his life he is absolutely in love with the process of reading. this is very visible, even in the essays that he read, when he is already completely blind, it is very clear how much he is interested, in general, in principle, in the very creation of the text and the relationship between the text and language, since uborhis was a polyglot.

he is terribly interested in precisely this babylonian confusion of languages, which can be organized in the notorious hexagons of the babylonian library, somehow organized or organized. do you remember he has it? eh, an absolutely wonderful moment in one of the short stories. he remembers when the boys closed their books at night. he thought that the letters in them were scattered and mixed. what they are yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes let's tell the viewer a little. who is the boss? in general terms, this is a writer who lived in argentina and wrote in spanish, although he knew many other languages. yes, he worked somewhere from the thirties to the eighties of the xx century , a fruitful life for a writer, despite the fact that he became blind during his life. and in general, it would seem that this should

have complicated his work, but no, he continued to work and created such wonderful worlds and images, labyrinths or a world like a library, well, it’s interesting that he worked with a small shape. this is a man who has not written a single novel, even if it has been nominated, and i understand him, because i am also regularly asked natalya why don’t you write? i'm not my topic big form big form. this is not my topic. that is , even if i take on such a thing, i will express everything that i want to say: i remade their first two issues there. and the characters will continue to bore me. i’ll drop all this, because borhis’s prose is so rich, each story contains some terribly fascinating detective plot. even a charade the puzzle is not scary, it is complex. it is these short stories of his that we must remember here, a writer whose writer was extremely loved and respected. this is, of course, edgaral-in sex. well, yes, that is, it

largely relies on charades. yes , like the stolen letter and similar things, that is, borhis relies heavily on but he continues. this work continues to bring this story to the absolute, as in the story about ebenhakan, who died in his own labyrinth, when it turns out that the killer is actually killed this one, who is very often his uh, well, these charades and puzzles. eh, the images are repeated. i even wanted to talk to you about this story, the garden of the forking path. which is dedicated to the labyrinth and is probably the most powerful of his stories. it is also in some way a detective story, because we don’t understand until the very last moment. why murder is murder, and it is all the time, that is, uh, murder is not what it seems, and for him this plot often goes away. it seems to be a detective story and is connected with the labyrinth, there and with mirrors. yes, with finding yourself. here

it is interesting that i read this garden of forking paths. it worked out for me, finally. why borge will work with a small form. i realized that he himself created this labyrinth from the text, and here, from short , repeating plots that were suddenly similar to each other, he created such an infinity of recursion. yes, he has mirrors in his labyrinth, which ultimately make it endless. this is such a beautiful image. and it is so applicable to absolutely everything. here in our screensaver there was a picture of the us sea. well, this is smooth. same thing, just escher. naturally, visually, for him this happens in graphics, while for borhis this happens in literature. yes? it is cher yes, he is really similar to the figurative world of borhis, so we took yes, this is this, this is the tape, this is exactly this mobius motif of recursion, repeating, and so on, borhis was a man of encyclopedic memory. i think i know

what his secret was. that's right, judging by the fact that he uses this labyrinth in the labyrinth. he places some kind of hooks so that he himself will not be in this maze. get lost. yes, he scatters crumbs, yes , yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, that is, he uses the classical technique of renaissance philosophy. this is a nosiological technique, a technique for ordering consciousness, which is called the palace of the mind; it was invented by such a cool thinker of english origin , raimondley, and he came up with such an ordering system. knowledge, ordering of memory, ordering of those facts that are contained not like in sherlock holmes's trash attic, but precisely like a cleaning lady in an endless labyrinth, where everyone goes to the pharmacy deduced dedicated specifically to this raymondulus. eh, ramin’s grandfather’s logic machine, that’s what it’s called, i tried to get into it, but i honestly couldn’t. there are diagrams there, a complicated

thing. it requires a certain habit. just get straight into this matter, that is, but when you really, really suddenly begin to understand, you understand how simple it is , how simple it is, that is, i’m using my damn mind. i have it. he's quite strange. eh, but there are also hooks there, they are mainly visual, that is, a certain image that refers to another image to another image and to another image in the same way as uh hmm in the concept of borhis cabbella, why was he interested at all? yes, this is a very important topic, he constantly mentions it and studied it himself. yes, and she is interesting to him. again, also as an ordering tool, as a tool for studying language cognition, that is, exactly. this is the concept. eh, the pentateuch of the torah, like one gigantic god and tree stretched out and deployed in all variants. yes, uh, tree

mouth. yes, the tree of sephiroth, which i generally i really love this concept, because it can be applied to any spiral or well, spiral structure from dante’s circles of hell , to the dna spiral. it seems to me, uh, how right it came with a ring in the form of the torah. the ring is beautiful, magical, that is, exactly a book of books, that is the architect of the book, uh, prisoners in the ring, there is a game and it seems to me that the game is also important for you and this can be seen in your work, but this is a kind of game of meaning , a game of symbols, a play on words and a very uh, important image, when the whole is no more composite parts. that is, when in one e, there is a multitude in a certain unity. yes, but this unity is no greater than each of its component parts, that is, of course, this is connected precisely with his love for small forms. exactly

what all these components are. he must fit it into a very laconic form , and you know what’s interesting is this concept of the game, which he, of course , always has, we see how he gets a kick out of it. this is exactly how he takes one and turns his labyrinth upside down. yes here's the reverse side of both. how cool everything is, and we know writers who continue to follow the behests of jorge our luis, and who produce this umberteca, of course, and what kind of relationship did they have in general, that is, were they somehow connected in real life, since they exist, e i don’t know if they were connected in real life, but they knew each other without a doubt, that is, without a doubt. they knew and you see, it turns out to be an absolutely wonderful piece of writing. hello, i adore albert eco because he appears in the name of a rose. this monstrous blind man the villain is the library monk jorge who

denies the existence and right to exist of aristotle's book of comedy. what is the character's origins? well, a clear hint, yes, the library recor, but if we dig further , we understand that in this way umberto eco takes off his beautiful italian hat and says hello to borgis, because here, of course, behind borgis is his character oveross, which is a medieval cordoba , writes a treatise, and he encounters. well, yes, an arab doctor, teacher, philosopher, he faces just with aristotle's concepts of tragedy and comedy, and he does not understand them. poor guy uh-huh, that is, in this, in general, the whole search, that borhis has no sense of humor. no, i think that he just showed in such a crooked way that he really appreciates borhis’ game and that in this way, in general, the averoid from which borhis sees in the mirror, in which he continues to believe, he will at some point understand , what is comedy, but in the monastery of embert. eco

library burns, hand burns , the monarchy itself burns again. well, this is already separate. story this is a library. this is our work there, probably these are manuscripts, how do we not know whether this will become a book, whether it will be included in the world library? yes, but these manuscripts are burning, natasha, i, as a convinced neoplatonian, believe that the manuscripts are burning, but, of course, shadows remain on the walls of the cave, that is, our work is for eternity, and the manuscripts are burning, no matter what you say, over there bulgakov come on, let's listen to the song of the mill manuscript. now is the time of fire, don’t let me in, i’m like a rusty

skeleton, but here the invisible one is waiting. be careful what my midnight double is and the doctor and the beast walk along my strictness and my log, i keep this sacrifice to the fire until the door closes. they didn’t tell you they were burning, but they are telling the truth. and don't you dare take a step back. he is my friends. oh, my enemies, how beautifully they cut with a pen, cursed and do not burn.

they are still burning, you should have seen it. they didn’t tell you the handles are on fire, but they are telling the truth. how beautifully they burn you, who is loved, he is not to sweet. as if a ripe one is breathing, oh my friends, my dear ones, how

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it is impossible, but we started building it together and we will finish it together. i love you. on saturday on first, this podcast is a must- read. i am an aglaya alarm bell. my guest is natalya usha, musician, lead singer of the melnitsa group, candidate of philological sciences. we we are talking about horcheluis in orchis. you know, he’s a borkhiz, in my opinion, he works no matter what. that is, he takes some of these short-shaped scraps. he has an excellent knowledge of mythology, an excellent knowledge of a variety of subjects, it is clear that the man has read all his life, yes, but uh, he has not had an active life. my whole life was spent in books. yes, but he was actually the director of the national library. yes, that is, he is a professional , you understand, he is my archetypal

library. eh, i think he gave birth to a lot. here are some waves after you culture in pop culture, that is, it would seem that there are a lot of writers in the ass and in literature too. yes, we again mentioned bert eco, who succeeds, yes, he succeeds in this game, because you can fold a patchwork quilt until you lose your pulse, but until you have some kind of magic thread, it will not become it won’t become a magic carpet. that is, let’s say paulo coelho, who can be considered borgis’ opegon, doesn’t work out for him, let’s listen in general. i even took it here the title is the story of the very famous ali and wrote a novel that develops yes, yes, but this is epigenism. i’ll be honest in the worst sense, but you know, i read this novel, in my opinion, kai or alif, because it was mentioned there by my friend and on a general trip around russia i met a girl

as a prototype, who was my friend, so i had to tell him read. although i don’t really like koel, in general i looked carefully and it turned out that this aleph which she describes as a state in which he falls into past. i'm the one who disappeared. yes, yes, and then i read the first source. actually, borhis's story, where everything is much more complicated, that is, this man. which ah, happens to be at the point where all the time lines converge. it’s much more complicated, this kabbalistic juice is here too, you know? we can say that borhis is a writer who exists in a four-dimensional world. you see, he has four not only our three dimensions, but he also has time, that is, he operates time back and forth. that’s why he has this one alphacasia crossroads in a row is mentioned there. there's this chinese one, then ok. yes, he

comes. here's to this sinologist doctor who studies the heritage of his great-grandfathers to find out that a book and labyrinths are one and the same thing, yes, that is, he created uh, labyrinths and created a book. it turned out that this is one and the same thing and uh, it’s very interesting there, uh, he asks. you have this doctor, and he asks, what about this chinese? yes, this descendant. mm. what word in a charade should not be mentioned in charades in a charade about chess should not be mentioned the word chess, yes, and he says, i found the key to your great-grandfather’s labyrinth, that the word time is not mentioned there , which means that the entire labyrinth is dedicated to time and its different layers. that is, it is there. uh, actually this key, they are not appearance. yes, that is, it’s just like the tetragrammaton on the golem’s forehead, so that the golem can work. he’s just talking about this and it was mentioned in the lecture that you earned a golem. he must have the right

word. and if, accordingly, hmm , the kindergarten erases one of the letters of this word from the soldier golem, and it turns into another how the word emmet truth turns into honey. that is, death will not crumble into dust, that is, control over the golem is also in the right word and the right letters, and this is precisely the opportunity. work with letters back and forth, that is, write. erase write. erase this absolutely amazing unlimited control over dead matter that jewish universities acquire, that for borhis the text is living matter. yes, of course, of course, and uh, in no case, not static, constantly changing, because that is the interpretation of the text. even though the lettering of its uh image may be fixed, the interpretation of the text will be different in different centuries. for us now

there is a superstructure happening, that we are from the height of our formed moves. just look at the arabs, from the heights of postmodernism. that is, we get, third, fourth, sixth, superstructures, all these additional meanings, additional emotions that we put not only in relation to the text, but also in relation to the author who wrote and this is right here in modern style. once you go toe-too-too-too and it just happens, the next steps, in one of the stairs of the labyrinth, borkhiz. i think it also influenced castaneda. it seems to me, yes, because in general you know the form itself, i want to mention that, um, when borkhiz started working. it was an innovative form of what is called makyum mantry in cinema, that is, it is a documentary film, but it is completely imitated, that is, in fact, it is an artistically created space that imitates documentary and this documentary, uh, which borhis imitates. eh, absolutely great. yes, that is, we don’t understand. did this really happen? did all these people

who are talking really exist, maybe they are philosophers who are talking or is it a product of his consciousness, we don’t understand this, but i am telling these magnificently and there are comments. and from these comments. you don't understand, really. here he is. or yes, or he really tells the story of his own life, slightly flavored with this . yes, yes, yes, yes, well, here is castaneda this form of documentation. yes, conversations, actually with the magician. yes, this is the form he is clearly. i think i got it too. yes, you know, i recently considered warhol. mmm, philosophy, endiorchla, and there, uh, a lot of mention is made of such an image as mirrors, that uh, orchal loves a space in which there are a lot of mirrors, and a mirror is a very important theme for borhis, that is, even in his labyrinth human. finally he comes to the mirror. that is, if he goes through the labyrinth, he comes to the mirror and meets someone who looks in the mirror and

disappears, and maybe even now there would be a debt vir is all that, as it were, when he begins to understand the essence of things, he disappears as a mirror. tell natasha what do you think, that borhi is blind, during his life it is clear that he read a lot, and he even writes himself about the fact that i actually did not live. yes, i don’t know what happened there in my country, because i spent all the time in the library. i spent all my time in books. but tell e this fact that a person becomes blind, yes, and finds himself in this world of darkness. that is, this is some kind of forced disability. that's what you think uh, did this set influence because i have a feeling that the thing that he wrote already in the seventies there remained stronger, so they became more lyrical and precisely some kind of introverted, sharpened directly. it works in short form. but it has very deep details. that is, for example, he writes that a man who is still approaching the sea. he has not yet seen this sea, but

this sea is already splashing in his blood. this is very accurate behavior. yes from the sea. yes, the notorious platonic shadow. that is, you understand a blind man, he has a straight one. here is plato's cave with shadows. yes, it doesn’t work with visuals. he is already working with archetypes, with ideas, with eidas, and with images and things to understand, he works directly. let's talk more about this library of babel. how do you imagine it? and in this world is he a librarian, is he a systematizer, or is he a reader, or how do you see it? that is, this world of hexagonal ecology. describe it as you understand nothing, a hexagon, a hexagon is a honeycomb, that is, it’s like this hive. that's why i have bees in my ears today. this is also not without reason. you're all about signs. i'm all about signs. well, of course, if we talk about the office, then you need to operate with its tools, that is, operate with signs, so, of course, i’m all about signs, in fact, babylon has this babylonian

library. these are truly gigantic hives. that is, i can imagine that , just as bees have an extremely complex hierarchy of creatures, that is, in the world of a library. should exist in the office too phantasmagorical absolutely hierarchy. and i think that he is, first of all, a reader, an enthusiastic reader who rushes through these honeycombs, hexagon to hexagon, and finds something interesting for himself, and it seems to me that in order to become a library, the babylonian library. you have to go a long way, you have to go through initiation. yes, you need to enter some kind of orminal phase, yes, go through the association, that is, find this notorious tetragrammaton, or at least its semblance, that is, jump to another step. yes development, and then in front of you these hexagons will be ordered, will open up and become permeable in the uh story.

well, i don't even know. eh, probably these are isa, and maybe the story e four cycles. uh, he’s just trying to systematize, maybe all his endless knowledge, he gives a theory that there are only four plots in world literature, and we all endlessly repeat this plot. uh, taking the fortress. well, for example, uh or and yes and homecoming. well, for example, also a classic dc that returns to the stage and e search is probably a broader concept, but he gives examples of timurka’s bird, which is simultaneously a multitude of birds and one bird, which contains this multitude and, in general, is also an image of god, and to which, well, eras, any ancient subjects , well, the ancient epic literature of travel is all about the search and suicide

of god. yes, sacrifice is something that we can see in the bible. yes, and in narnia there, well, in general, there are a lot of european myths, yes, that is, like a horse sacrifice , that is, uh the ritualmedha that accompanies the king’s ascension to the throne, that is, the sacrifice of a divine being, is precisely the most initiatory thing. of all these wandering stories, it’s the leap to a new level that reminds us. this is a sacrifice of god uh-huh this is again this one, what is his name, and ben khakan in his small labyrinth is what the killer of abkhan khakan becomes. abn khakan himself. yes, that is, he is the one who killed the king. in fact, he was the creator, in general , of all this murder and an imitator. that is there he cleans up and this plot repeats itself very often. and this is, as it were, an initiation, thought out and influenced by the agent himself. that is, he sacrifices himself. it’s such a lonely thing too, yes, it’s like

hanging yourself on a tree. here. well, again this is a wandering plot. so you wanted to stay away from scandinavia, but it didn’t work out. this podcast is a must read. i'm looking at batnikov. my guest is natalya usha, musician, lead singer of the melnitsa group, candidate of philological sciences. we are talking about horheluis borhis natasha a. here, as for borhis’s personal life, i was very touched by ulrik e’s story from the book of sand from the collection the book of sand, where he meets a woman. they spend only one night together. eh, this is clearly an illusion of mythology. there the hero's name is sigurty. yes, here’s the language, that is, it all relates to scandinavian mythology and the heroine’s name is ulrika, but it looks from one side. just like people who met in a hotel spent the night together in the morning forever. we separated. yes, this is the bathroom stand a and but borhisa is

is