serbian cubans and the balkans are being made by tolstoy’s two grandsons and apparently this is the conversation. they are not just emigrants, not just white guards, they are fat and this immediately inspires trust because no matter what the soviet government is like, but tolstoy is tolstoy, that’s the truth. and, of course, we understand what comes next. i'll tell you how they returned. and how, how, how they wrote a letter to stalin and the fact that they survived and the fact that we were born, of course, this here played a mirror of the russian revolution for you. i think the key a key role, but that means, let’s go back for a minute to the new whip and to serbia in general, and young people are fat. i give it to my father, brother oleg, they are in partisan detachments, and they participate and help the red army very actively. for- when there are battles, and then my father, who is 20 years old. ah, he decides that he will continue to join the red army , he joins the red army, this is

the most important thing for him, uh. well, he’s just narrower in age and the others are younger, in my opinion, it was surprising that he was taken by the krasnoarmeyskaya the book is his first document, in general, for the first time he found himself in an environment, and russian people are not just emigrants, but russian people, so to speak, native to russia, they became emigrants, almost number 001 and 0.02 of those who returned, a call to return, and my grandfather has a witness certificate of repatriation certificate number 01. babushkin has 002, dad 003 vladimir vladimirovich has four and so on. and when they returned in august 1945, the soviet union , i found it at the dacha and could not tell what kind of strange newspapers with some minor articles. something about my dad , there’s something there, well, there’s no big reason to write. it was such a pr company that showed how wonderful it is. but

even former white guards, even former monarchists, live in the soviet country, because this letter is wonderful. of course they wrote the letter. we are former monarchists and guardsmen - this was in the first line of this letter. we want to go back to uh, outside again, an amazing story that i remember telling me when they arrived on the train to belorussky station and they were met by anna ilyinichna’s aunt , the first thing she told them when they were in such an inspired patriotic mood. we went out onto the platform and returned to our native land. she told them to be silent, be silent, yes, that is, they had to fit into this soviet reality, which is not at all the same as it was dirty to them. yes, of course, and this is this memoir of uh oleg and oleg vladimirovich tolstoy who here is his son uh, peter talks about this and this probably largely determined them and their lives further in this moment when they returned. in russia he was still in the red army, but then he succeeded. eh, in september he joined already, he received

the appropriate permission and entered moscow university. it was also interesting, they hired uh front-line soldiers without any exams, but he was a little late. we had to go to the rector of the university. and uh, it’s also interesting that my father really wanted to study history, but my grandfather understands that what is the soviet union in general, he once said, no, you can’t study history, it’s too ideological a science, then my father said. well, you know how much i love literature, how much i love poetry. we began to adore poetry simply and brilliantly knew the poetry of the silver age, because all this was available in immigration, all these publications and before the revolutionary immigrants. eh, how he was millions to me, this love brought me, when here even this name was simply forbidden, and even on this , my grandfather says no. and this is impossible, because it is also very ideological. ok then. well , at least i can study languages. well,

you can do this. yes, this was before it becomes and so he becomes a linguist. he enters the faculty of philology, but then he enters the slavic department. eh, exactly, because this is this idea of ​​being russian and the idea of ​​studying uh roots, but still russian slavic culture. he was very little interested in any kind of german studies or romance, any french stories absolutely, and this and this is very very clear from his biography of a child born in a foreign land, but still, of course, you are a brilliant glorifier, because and he is beling is complete, he knows very well. uh, serbian speaks russian, he studies bulgarian at the faculty of philology. he knows russian tradition. he writes works on the old church slavonic language. trying to have a brilliant scientific career dedicated to the old church slavonic language, but he never made a career. this is it in very very few

different ways. and of course, he became an academician and became the president of the academy of sciences and held some positions there, but it ’s true. this all became possible after the end of soviet power, because he didn’t was a member of the party, therefore, but he was allowed to teach pravda at the university and there, fortunately, at the faculty of philology, where you studied and listened to lectures. dad, after all, not everyone had to be a party member and they had free cases, and he had the opportunity. he had one at the slavyanov institute. these were not konistiki, where he worked all his life, he had a group, which was made up of his students, but mainly consisted of both and and. in general, dad created his own scientific school and his own direction, fuck linguistics. well it it’s interesting that he had a very okay, horizons and that’s exactly what he was with, then he began to study exactly this at the intersection of

different uh different disciplines. what was his attitude towards soviet life and soviet realities? so he was to some extent connected with dissidents there or thought with all this, there, i don’t know, there was solzhenitsyn shalamov academicians. somehow , these topics appeared in the house of a dissident - this is a very active civil position, my father’s position was that he lived, as it were, not noticing soviet power. yes, i understand perfectly well, i am aware that you need to be allowed to do this, so that when they arrived in 1945, they ended up at the head, because many turned out to be, we are such a happy family that no one ended up at the head of ours and, of course, the figure of lev nikolaevich how to put russian literature and took the mirror of the russian revolution. she saved us, this must be understood, that is, my father had the privilege and and he occupies such a position. he's just very lucky. his life is incredible.

it turned out well, they pulled it off, relatively speaking, well , somehow, they probably tried several times, but it was clear that it was useless, you know? this is also a story that goes like this. eh, we lived before the revolution, then a tragedy happened, then we lived abroad. and for them , the feeling of russia was that everything would pass , power, power would pass, another power would pass, but russia would remain, and when my mother remembers. yes, because my mother is a soviet person. she was born. eh, she wasn’t in any exiles in moscow, and she asked. she says, here i am young, i also asked ilya ilyich, uh, my grandfather, that same white officer, immigrants and so on. she asks. what do you think about soviet power, and he said very calmly, well , it will all collapse. and when? well, another 20 15 20 will pass, and it will all collapse. he didn’t live to see number 70, but he collapsed. exactly then approximately when he and he said, why did he ask. my mother, he said, everything is rotten, and

my father, but he seemed to live, as if outside of soviet reality, outside of politics. no of course, we were in the evenings and all the time we lived to these voices and so on, but it was clear that, uh, that, that you can do your job, this is the most important thing, regardless of the soviet uh, from the soviet power. so somehow the students communicate, and this, of course, goes into such linguistics and very specific dust studies, and and. uh, sure. dad maybe would have written more about po and some as a very religious person and studied the old church slavonic language, of course, he would probably have written more on these topics, more i was doing this, if there was an opportunity, but a so somehow and this is what i know. descendants of tolstoy are often asked: how were you raised? so, what kind of special upbringing did you have there, and so on, did i understand

what your family background was like? i can’t say anything, but now i understand what kind of upbringing was the main idea in upbringing. what a blessing that we are in russia. what happiness? what, what, what, we are here and he just talked about this almost every day when i was studying at the faculty of arts in the nineties. and, well if i say two-thirds, that would be an understatement. well, almost all of my course left, then i’m like, i want to go to paris for an internship; an interesting world is opening up. and maybe i’ll study a little there. there-ta-ta. well, of course, please come, well, remember, we made our choice. and, of course, this is a huge success, because i can’t imagine that they would have stayed. they would stay in serbia, they would all go to serbia. they are further west. well, i very much doubt that we my father would have done. it’s not even something that would become an academician, but it’s just that he would have done as much as he managed to do if he had been at an american university or a french one, that is,

russia gave him fate, of course, and so. here is his father. that is, that is, my grandfather and his brother. eh, of course we couldn’t, maybe it’s hard to judge? i have never seen them; they were probably unable to fully realize themselves, because these 25 years in exile have led to a very difficult life and somehow. well , of course, they dreamed of returning. they returned soon and turned 50. yes to someone uh, that is, the main part of life has already passed, although they were still very happy in russia a. here is my father, who arrived, he was 22, of course, he succeeded. and this is great happiness. this is a big. eh, a huge task. thank you very much, dear thekla, for this wonderful conversation. uh, it was a podcast. the life of the wonderful and with you i am alexei varlamov and my guest was thekla, a fat, famous russian journalist, tv presenter and daughter

of nikita ilyich tolstoy, about whom we had such a wonderful conversation today. thank you hello, dear friends, the podcast melody of my life is with you valery syutkin and today my guest is a wonderful man, who turned 65 on march 7, over the years, his character comes out and i have a man with a good bright character , alexander flyar. hello sasha, hello. well, first of all, i’m interested in all our tv viewers and listeners. eh, so you insert felix with your entire middle name. yes , alexander flyar, how was this idea born, it was born, in fact, from some kind of internal necessity, when i many, many years ago for the first time i approached

the radio microphone so that i could start conducting a program, which later received the name learn to swim and the festival and our movements. i realized that i needed to somehow identify myself on the air. and it seemed to me that just saying that sasha sklyar is there or alexander sklyar is there like you is not entirely interesting, not entirely compelling. and i remembered that i had a business card at the embassy, ​​when i worked in north korea and it was written on it in english, as is customary, which means with one on the other hand in korean, because we are in korea, and on the other hand in english, because you were supposed to communicate with other diplomats. indicators handing over your business card is polite so that a person can spy, what’s your name it was written alexander f dot sklyar and for some reason i didn’t think twice about doing this on air and said hello

guys. alexander flar is with you. the program is on air, learn to swim, well, melodies and music in general are the best memory keeper. when we hear this or that song or melody, we just immediately remember the smallest details of what was happening at that moment, so here we are through the melody. as a matter of fact, we remember our life with you. we are absolutely the same age. and we have something to remember and the melody of childhood. everyone has their own tell me what song or melody your childhood associates with. well, of course, a few melodies that were included in mine. and they go with me almost all my life, because childhood memories. they may be the most vivid; what you remember from childhood remains with you forever, but i remember in particular when i really, really

when i was little, i went to kirovograd to visit my grandmother, who later became my great-grandmother. i came from moscow for the summer. and then the adults there asked me to perform something. well , like a rhyme or something, i asked to be put on a stool, because i was too small for the stool to seem to me. this is more correctly respectable and he sang a song about a young drummer for them. how did i remember where this song came from? i can’t tell you, but since then i remember it, because this moment of the moment i’m standing here on this stool and sing hmm, you can try the world of show business. yes, that is, it was big. it was somehow perfect. by the way, i have never played the guitar because ... well, naturally, this is a children's song, but this is its own feeling. i'll try

to hook up too. we walked through the pea-shaped nadym of death. yes, we look death in the face, brave fighters. generally associated with childhood. what does it have to do with it? it seems to me that you know this, there was something about a trumpeter in the world, written in it, adapted into russian, because when it sounds more one song get up early. get up early get up early. this is my friend. kolka wraps it up. you will see and hear the cheerful drum. drum.

along the pause we have another test to determine in moscow whether a person was born there in st. petersburg or in the urals and on and on yes test continue please, greedy beef, turkish drum, everything is 100% moscow because pickled cucumber is right away yes , empty chocolate. this is just the leningrad region. it’s clear that the turkish drum means, accordingly, moscow. who’s on it? sashka petka plays cockroaches there and so on , just like that, something else vividly from childhood memories. i have some poignant childhood memories. which remained in my memory for unknown reasons. that is, you don’t know the reason, but they, if you suddenly close your eyes and are transported back to childhood, then

you definitely remember them. one of these memories is connected with my mother, this is a pioneer camp, moscow region and a bright sunny day, and this parent's day the parents arrived. this is probably the middle shifts. and i remember that mom came alone without dad and brought it with her. absolutely amazing lemon pie she baked herself. and so we sit somewhere on the grass together, and she treats me to this pie and says to anyusha, “i baked it especially for you.” and now i have never tasted anything more delicious than this pie in my life , or like my dad and i, he was an amateur hunter, but he was a very good shooter and, uh,

he always left in the spring and fall for the spring and fall drafts. and so, when i was still just a boy. he took me to some place already made especially for me not just for hunting, yes, but for some kind of kayak trip. i don't know how much. i was about 10 years old. i can’t say exactly, but maybe, say 10 years old, maybe something like that, maybe a little less. and so he and i are floating along the river, which river i don’t remember, but it definitely remembers this feeling. we have to land on the shore soon ; it’s starting to rain. i sit in the front of the kayak and my dad is in the back because he steers with the pedals. here we are both rowing and he whistles a melody. which have been with me all my life, this is a melody without words, but i love it. excellent then i remembered this piercing childhood memory

. but for some reason, you don’t know who the author is, i can’t say. i think she sounded like this. it seems to me that it sounded in the movie master of the taiga, but i could be wrong, but maybe music from a movie. so yes, tell me, but into the profession , well, roughly speaking, i call this melody of youth well, that is, there is already a period when i know that in your life there was the mgimo institute and, in fact, you diplomats were apparently going to stand up, but music already existed in parallel. here you got hooked on the music. thanks to what melody? well, you can probably even say that this is not a melody. and thanks to what figure? this is

definitely the perfect figure of vladimir vysotsky. this is definitely the perfect film vertical, which i watched, and fell in love for the rest of my life with the song that was played there. i passionately wanted to learn to play the guitar and the first songs that i picked up on a guitar that was not mine at that time, but which we had at school, were, of course , vysotsky’s songs. therefore, if we now talk about some melody that was in my youth. and so, well, the one that i always remember, i think this might be one of the songs. vysotsky , maybe even this one, which also has something in it that exactly corresponds to the impulse of youth, uh, if it’s not a plain for you, here is the climate. avalanches are coming one back and here behind the communist decline. and you can

turn around the cliff, but you choose a difficult path, dangerous, like a military path. if you haven’t been here, you haven’t taken risks, you haven’t tested yourself. even if he was snatching stars from the sky below. you won’t meet the bottom, no matter how you reach out for your entire happy life, cheerful share of such beauties and wonders. and so on. there's something about her. which , in a sense, determined my whole life, including the choice of music. well, by the way, vladimir semyonovich had practically the first songs that were performed in films, and the whole country recognized her. yes, thanks to these songs, that we have such a poet, and then, of course, he knows that to this day he owns the absolute, it was such a hit. here is my youthful heart, that i remember a whole period of

my youthful life, when i was looking for his records, and found them in different places, but more often just some adults. e people. well, let’s say, my friend’s parents are there, then where in the house where i lived on television street, then it was called shvernik street in the house. hmm, his parents had a tape of vysotsky's songs and a tape recorder, on which the dnieper could be, well, old, old, old. i remember how when my parents weren't there, he allowed me to come to his house, we turned on this tape recorder, and i wrote in the notebook. i’m rewriting all the songs that were there, all these songs. i remember now until now . this was vysotsky's first cycle of songs about fomin's earring i meet fomin's earring. he is a hero of the soviet union. well, and so on. it's about hockey players. um, about uh,

boxers. this was the same tape that i then transcribed and learned all these songs by ear. i'm a fighter. by the way, at the same time there was a group like this with high sweat , the center vodton group, then even before the center, so that thanks to the fact that you are you, you are woven from this, then you turned. you 've had whole cycles. and vertinsky well, high. i have been singing all my life, including with and without a group. eh, then there was vertinsky who came up. in fact, it’s also organic, because vysotsky really loved vertinsky two or three times. this was recorded at his concerts, and therefore it is no coincidence that the only small piece where vysotsky in the film the meeting place cannot be changed becomes

the piano. you remember what he performs, where are you now, who kisses your fingers? that is, it was not by chance that it was his choice. it wasn’t govorukhin who told him to do it. it was vysotsky himself who approached and made such an amash, to the side his own, as he considered one of the teachers. well, then, the genre itself is also seemingly incompatible, but i will say, drawing on a historical analogy and and probably vertinsky at the beginning of the primary and vertinsky and yves montand. and vladimir semyonovich vysotsky is the people who were responsible for his presentation and communication with the audience, even montana alone , when the orchestra played, he hid it behind such a translucent cloth, as if there was an orchestra. it would seem that this is the best scenery in the world. they are still living people, but he said, i am responsible for what i do.

look. now here all you need is to communicate with me. one on one , they emphasized theirs, yes, this is not accidental, well, and further accordingly. well, sorry, just one small remark. i think that maybe it was this one for vysotsky. and it was most important in the figure of vertinsky that vertinsky was. the author himself is very important, of course, and he was one on one with the audience, it is clear that he had a pianist yes, a companist, but still the main figure. you are standing alone in front of the crowd. vysotsky even talks about this topic there, do you remember the song at the microphone and on behalf of microfo? if he has, that is , vysotsky probably already understood then that he would be just such a single author- performer. here it is and the guitar. and that’s why he saw something in vertinsky that would help him, then shape himself for the stage.

so, it seems to me, why vertinsky was so important for vysotsky, the melody that alexander sklyar recalls in our podcast , the melody of my life. here is sasha the scalar becoming more mature and the melody of love. and maybe it is not connected with this period, but from another. well, if so, just sash , what a melody of love, well, about your opinion of your life, of course, there can’t be several of them either. here’s just one, but among these several there is one melody, which, if i hear it, it’s immediate for me. the feeling of something incredible that in life we ​​people call love, when i heard it too i can’t say, but it seems to me, no, not in the film , not in the film. i heard it, maybe it

was on a record, maybe on the radio, but in any case, i remember one episode related with her with this song. this is exactly a youthful episode. i’m already at home in another apartment, where we lived with my parents on vavilova street in our room. and i hum this song. i'm alone without a guitar. it was also empty on the ground when oksana nikolaevna flew to zyupery and dad told me, sanin no, you’re singing wrong. i'm like wrong. well, that’s what i heard, no, the dzyuperi wasn’t flying, but it was flying. raisin, take it, the surname says there is such a thing, the author the writer is such exupery, by the way, to say, after that i read this writer and loved for life. but then i

didn’t read it, didn’t know him, and this song became for me one of the songs that i could say that it symbolizes love for me. the earth is empty without you. how can i survive for a few hours and it also falls? that foliage of the garden and the taxi still rushing somewhere, but the earth is empty without you. and you fly and a man gives you his tenderness from the stars,

as if from the stars. how the poet turned and connected it all, that’s why this three poplars on plyushchikha, of course, is a film by tatiana liza. there is an absolutely brilliant performance on a brilliant execution. yes, this is not the performance i heard from. well, of course, in this film there is absolutely no, what i mean, efremov’s eyes, yes, yes, this shot. eh, of course when i watch now, and no matter how many times i watch. i think this is absolutely genius, absolutely brilliantly asleep. and, of course, i understand nikolai nikolaevich why exemperi because exemperi there are several characteristics in it that make it completely unique among writers.

after all, he said something like this, well, in my opinion, almost it's not like the quote is that pilots don't die. they fly away and do not return, and the little prince, which he wrote, is something completely unique in literature in general. and if we also take into account what kind of person he was, and what kind of profession he had, then we understand that it’s all the same that nikolai nikolaevich defended exactly his exemperi in this song that’s for sure. yes, such melodies , such films, here are mine, all woven from this absolutely and with age with our, unfortunately, not young understanding at the same time that it shaped us. of course i again, remembering vertinsky when i read his memoirs made a phenomenal impression on me, as he accurately formulated , he says, we are growing up and trying to protect

our children from stepping on the same rake that we are starting. naturally, grumble grumble and we are removed from the other dimension, like an agent in counterintelligence, so that we do not prevent them from stepping on the same rake as the first time life works. yes, yes, and when i, many years later, already made a program and sang vertinsky , i also plunged into it. uh, in his memories too, to better understand and feel a lot. there, he found something for himself, namely artistically, that he wrapped himself in, because he was not only a great artist, but he was also a very great person. this is very important, so good that he preserved these memories, that this is a long road that any artist, i really really advise everyone, regardless of the genre that uh,

you choose, but especially, probably, of course, young artists. i highly recommend reading this book carefully sash melody sadness let it be light sadness or you know, there is a song it would seem to be about nothing, but you feel such a deep amplitude, or something sad about your life is simply associated with this melody, it happens. for me, for example, a sad melody has nothing to do with just when i hear it. eh, for me it's the beatles. eh, the hall can be cluttered. yes, yes, and there’s this plug right there, which is like an essay, i’m just tripping over it. but no, that’s what she does. yes, there is always sadness. yes, well, i could also name a few, of course. the beatles' songs are absolutely brilliant. in many ways, of course, they are unsurpassed melodists. that's for sure. it’s very nice that you are exactly what good taste is yes, a reflection

of the tradition of our culture, so i won’t knock you down correctly, but i have this in our tradition in our song tradition. i have one song that, uh, probably even when i’m sad, i remember it and can uh, whistle it. yes, remember her , remember the image of this song, because it seems to me that such a thing was created in it hmm, the image that exactly characterizes, at least for me, this is the state of sadness and sadness. i don't know how to play it on the guitar. well, that is, i have never tried it, but i can try it now. maybe you, uh, autumn will soon be over. yes, of course, i play it. just great. all this then is just a gift for me.

soon autumn outside the windows i liked you what comes true in early spring, what comes true in early spring beautiful feet? and, by the way, i absolutely agree with our tv viewers. listen, more interesting ones cases. that's exactly frankie or performed it directly. yeah, very sensual. yes. who in general and

what performance of this song do you remember? her same several times. yes, they probably want me too, straight from what, in my opinion, she sang it too. yes, someone sang, but for me, my krystlinskaya. i remember how my dad told me that maya kristalinskaya is a singer with a speaking voice.