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but as bunin wrote in this article , it was possible to endure batu khan batu ’s tatar-mongol invasion, but you cannot accept lenin and therefore there is no more russia . soviet russia is so full of morons. this is something that cannot happen if soviet russia is not russia, but real russia is either in exile. and as if the spirit of this real russia is preserved by russian emigrants, or like the city of kitezh, it has sunk to the bottom and is located somewhere in the deep underground, and therefore we will not accept either the soviet calendar or soviet spelling. i'm not saying anymore of course, about soviet ideas, as for alexei tolstoy , this bunin thought sounds strange to him: russia no longer exists, a little more, where did it go, but the people who live there, who speak russian . and this is russian russian. the sky is russian land. russian faces. the children who are born there are who and this dispute is what
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how to relate to russia what he considers his homeland, it really is such an important debate, in the end. alexei tolstoy decides to return to his homeland. i repeat a lot they do not idealize what is happening there, but they believe that it is the duty of a russian person to live in his native country. here. immigration returns to the soviet union - it is perceived as a betrayal. and they say that he sold out to the bolsheviks. in fact. this is all nonsense. he returned to soviet russia as if he were walking into a cage with a tiger, because whoever he was in the eyes of the bolsheviks, in the eyes of the bolsheviks, he was a former count aristocrat bill , a guardsman. who yes changed his beliefs, but who believes people who changes his convictions and moreover, everyone probably knows about the philosophical steamboat which in 1922 took from petrograd
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a group of russian philosophers and public figures who were not in agreement with what was happening, but in their native country. what is less known is that the lord made this ship after the return voyage. well, maybe not exactly this passage, but in any case there was a passage that brought back the people, well, those people who thought about the same as alexey tolstoy, yes, that is, those who believed that your country needs to live so that it doesn’t happen . all these people were shot. not immediately on the shore. no, they just took note, stalin really didn’t trust the defectors . alexey tolstoy was the only one who survived, but let’s finish. i would like to be a little different, but in emigration, in addition to childhood, nikita alexey tolstoy wrote a book, which of course everyone knows, which was filmed more than once . the novel helped. this means that the novel a descent into torment had two editions
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, namely the first part, which is now called sisters, but initially it it was called walking helped, which means there was an emigre part that was published in berlin and there was a part that was later republished, and in the soviet union and bunin, by the way, wrote that tolstoy was such a cunning, opportunist. he changed it to please the bolshevik. in fact. this is not how we will do it. i just haven’t compared these two editions ; there are differences between them, including ideological differences, but they are not so great and they do not change. well, like the chapters the thought that is in this book, and the main idea in this book is that she was not for the reds and not for the whites, she was for russia, there is a very important scene at the end of the first part there , if you remember, two in general this book is remarkable because there are a lot of good characters. and so, if you remember, it means at the end, uh, walking through the torment of the first part with carts, roshchin argues about russia action. it’s exactly what’s happening
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in 1717, shortly after the october revolution, and roshchin is terrified that the country is dying , they’re just dying, because the army is fleeing, because everything has been betrayed, everything has been sold, because there is nothing left for russia and telegin objects to him in this dispute telegin removes the historian klyuchevsky from the shelf, he says that the russian land was devastated. he sat in the kremlin, which means he was on the throne. and after all these impostors, yes, remember boris godunov , grishka, and so on. the poles simply sat in the kremlin openly. yes, and it seemed that there would be nothing more from russia, but then the russian people began to collect the russian land, they brought a new tsar, who was afraid there, the boy was trembling, but, nevertheless, they gathered a militia , drove out the poles, and defeated some thieves ban the gangs of gangs who, uh, walked around moscow, borrowed money, began to raise them, took care of vera, as he writes, that they understood that vera was the most important and grandchildren. these people, these
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grandchildren were already swedes, and then they founded st. petersburg, and then russia became a great empire. and a. telegin says it’s easier to eat , what’s left of us and from there the russian land will come. and this incredible faith in russia, this incredible confidence that russia is indestructible, that russia cannot be killed, russia cannot be destroyed by this wonderful alexei tolstoy this does not negate the fact that he was a cynic, that he was a scoundrel, that he never forgot about himself, his family, his privileges, that he had nothing to cure? this doesn't cancel it. well, really, a very complex person. this was uh, podcast alexey tolstoy and uh, with you was the writer and rector of the literary institute alexey varlamov thank you
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hello, i'm larisa guzeeva, this is a podcast of letters. my guest today is the honored artist and artistic director of the growth theater in tsaritsyno, but she is grishaeva hello everyone can you make it? i'm catastrophically out of time. well , now i’m graduating students. i had a course. now it will become a little easier. well, no, you won’t refuse anything to go to the cinema. i refused there was a period when i was invited to head the theater, and i took a break to think about what i could give up in order to do only theater and there was a period when i didn’t act. i
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needed to direct all my energy to the theater, and then, when the theater was already on the rails, we began to take off. i returned again and started acting on television. to the cinema. you know, except for lyudmila kurchenko and you at the very first time. you were born artists and that’s exactly what i am, that’s why i play her, that’s why you ’re bursting like this and couldn’t live any other way. you can live without your profession. no. no, this is my air, especially the theater, which i cannot live without. and when i realized that you can’t, and i’ve been on stage since childhood. yes, i know, and tell me about the first time when you and your mother left the clinic, in my opinion, yes, you had years to give. yeah i was 5 years old and uh we went out clinics. it was the royal near the opera house. dima kharatyan starred there in the film
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“photo on the wall”. and i immediately heard music, grabbed my skirt and started dancing in circles. she immediately ran up to her mother. remember, he says, can i have your girl in the shot? this is my first uh no with her, and you right at that moment remember, yes, i remember. yes, i remember, and i remember, from the age of six or seven i was already organizing solo concerts for my relatives, programs , i wrote the first number of the song such a bass, you entered the rheographic school right? eh, i entered a ballet school at the age of 7, and a music school, and then a theater bloody studio, where i played my first leading role as a professional for 10 years. tell the stage of the odessa operetta theater, did your parents blaspheme this about you or did you defy everyone, but you still went and signed up for these circles yourself. this means that this often happens, and most often it doesn’t, and my parents immediately realized that there was a geek in the family and, uh, they began
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to develop these abilities of mine. that’s why mom sent me there and there and there, and they didn’t tell themselves this banality. first get the profession of a doctor, and then you fool around. how much do you want? i don't know what's wrong with you. mom even went to moscow when she was admitted. how could i have such a homely girl? well, how was it possible to let me go alone in the nineties and actually acted in everything like we all did, i came everywhere and when i went to the shchukin school, my mother said, i will study here, he said yeah, yes, yes. i’m mom, i ’m telling you, i feel, i’ll study here, but who did you apply to? i applied to albert grigor, chuburov uh-huh and then it turned out that i was on vladimir vladimirovich ivanov’s course, my classmate masha aronova anya dubrovskaya and even though you entered shchukinskoye right away, my mother didn’t leave me. why a, because she came
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to the hostel and saw. and where should you be, and he said, no no, you won’t stay here like mom. no, she took me back to odessa and entered the vocal department of the odessa music school. i studied there for a year, my mother spent the whole year, why are you ruining my fate? i can't. i want to go to moscow i want tell me to rent some kind of apartment with your grandmother, so she can look at the money with you. we lived very modestly, but still studied in odessa this year. yes, that means yes, and i passed the exam in vocal and acting and the director of the music school called my mother and asked what your girl is doing with us. take the documents , take the child to moscow. and i came for the second time. my teacher, professor valentina petrovna nikolaenko, recognized me and saw me. he says to me, my little bird has flown from odessa. where did you go, then that year , imagine, she remembered me 300 people in place. and my mother took it away from me. she says,
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give me the documents immediately for the third round, and yet i stayed in the same hostel. yes, but what to do? and after college all the theaters wanted you? well, just all of them. not all of them, but three, uh, wonderful lenkom theaters took me to vakhtangov’s satirics and i chose, of course, my native vakhtangov’s. it seemed to me that they knew me there, there was no need to give. e. oh, no, i had to prove it and how many more years? and it seemed to me that everyone from yuri yakovlev to lanovoy was carrying themselves in their arms. it was all much later. i played for many years, only small roles, tiny little ones. yes, yes, yes, for many years, and i even thought about leaving for another theater , because here they won’t give me anything anyway, but in the end, uh, when i managed to break through and prove, this is a very long time
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the path is three programs. that’s enough for me, but still i’m incredibly grateful to vakhtangovsky for the fact that my partners with whom i played love were yuri vasilyevich yakovlev vasya semenovich and it was absolutely happiness. these are people who, despite their status for your stardom. yes, they were absolutely amazing partners. firstly, they are men, and you are a young girl with a pretty, uh, who suddenly fell into their tentacles. why can't i see it in you? you know, uh, i once had a funny story with yura vasilyevich in the play the three ages of casanova where i played him, and the last beloved francesca eats everyone. and they warned me when they brought me in, my husband’s performance went on for a long time and they brought me in. i was told that yuri vasilyevich sometimes forgets the text and thoughts, what prompts? that is, you must
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learn both yours and his, and sometimes i suggested it. well, once i failed to do it. he missed one word and uh, hmm, it’s all wrong, it’s not for me, the meaning has changed. these are tsvetaeva’s poems, you know? eh, casanova says yuri vasilyevich listen to the fairy tale once upon a time there were two people, and in his story he is more beautiful he and i, i say, brother and sister. he says, i say, that means you and me, and yuri vasilyevich forgets one more beautiful word and the meaning completely changes. he says, listen to the fairy tale once upon a time, two she is his, and he is hers and looks at me. what can i play in poetry? i say brother and sister. he says, i say, that means you and i , and i bury myself in his knee, that we both split everything, when we were injecting, they don’t notice it in the hall. they don't hear. they don’t understand, it seems to them that this is how it should
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be, or because they are always inattentive. not always, because i had a different opportunity to save semyonovich. he just completely knocked me down, and he himself always told this story, and i played in the play frederic or crime boulevard. it was on his anniversary that the great french artist frédéric maître was awarded his mistress by the young artist, a beauty not in verse. i come and say, good evening. i came for my evening kiss. he says, good evening, my joy. good evening, my sweetness. today, therefore, we were having fun, spreading our wings on the boulevards, showing off our legs , coming out of this is me, i say, yes, yes, 18th century france, and suddenly semyonovich appeared at one of my performances, today, therefore, we were having fun, spreading our wings on the boulevards showed off their leg as they exited the trolleybus. eighteenth century france, leaving the trolleybus, suddenly both himself and himself, of course, split apart from lanova's friend. why, what if someone
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doesn’t know this? oh, well, they heard it in the hall. these , of course, are those who are in the stalls, they will definitely hear there on the balcony, maybe the sound didn’t not reach, but here it doesn’t, the meaning doesn’t reach. that's what oh well, it's hard not to fly past the trolleybuses. do you understand 18th century france? oh, well, you have semyonovich, that’s a different story altogether. i was incredibly lucky once, and valentinovich gaft really loved my work. i even signed a book, and he invited me to st. petersburg to receive an award. he wanted to give me the figaro prize and uh, we were traveling with vova simonov uh great to seryozha makovetsky i was on the train, imagine we left on the train in the next compartment.
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eh, valentin osifovich, woof and vasily semyonovich manova and they invited vova and me into their compartment and until 5:00 in the morning larisa we were present, there is such a modern word battle at the battle of these two great artists, they read poetry in turn, and we with volodya taxi, after all, uh, valentinovich is mostly known as uh hmm the person who wrote epigrams, yes. yes, i know, we communicated very well with him, but i didn’t write an epigram about you. no, well, he said these words to me every time we met, that wings grew on me. i just grew up and i wanted to do something even more. and what amazing things he wrote - not epigrams, but simply dedications to artists. he is
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long-suffering. faina, dear slammed piano, there are exactly half of the sad notes in it that were not played, it’s a pity, but it was also played, i want to tell you in our brother and sister. and so, in general , you know that a lot is attributed. yes, yes, so we sat with him at this award , seryozha bezrukov came onto the stage, and he leaned over to me a little, he said they attributed the epigram to me. i didn't write it. i love him so much. it seems to me that in the process he fell in love, for example, with actors and gave up a lot. well, i just said that it’s not me. this is also very boyish. i am eternally grateful to the vakhtangov theater for providing me with such an amazing opportunity to communicate and work with the greats. when i came, my debut was the novel grigoryevich viktyuk. and i don’t know you anymore about the performances, dear
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allow herself such luxury. well, yes, be funny, be ridiculous, and so on. this they showed all your uh, wonderful parodies on channel one. i think that your most wonderful parodies are markurchenko’s favorite ones. you somehow felt it and understood it. you have very similar natures, acting, very similar. i have never done a breed on her like this, i think i saw no, it was e in the one on one program, probably, one it was exactly one on one, but the number is short, a serious number is not a breed, and now you are playing specifically, and this is based on her, and this is based on two of hers. applause and lucy stop such stabilization, this is my favorite job. the hardest physically mentally emotionally probably because 90% of
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what i say on behalf of lyudmila markovna is true, right? the only thing we have in common is what you say, it seems to me that she is so prosperous, but she was married. well , quite a lot of years. well, yes it happened, so it was your second novel. if you want, uh, i’m forbidden to talk about this topic there. i'll stop. well, everyone is interested in their personal life. she's not like you. eh, stormy, like lyudmila markovna, you might think, well there are three famous novels of yours, and, uh hmm , as they say, the first extreme marriages ended in giving birth to children? well, lyudmila markovna was still richer with this matter, yes, of course, but there was this long period when they weren’t filming and nothing happened. i started acting after 35 years. larisa well, look, well, lyudmila markovna was filming all the time, all the time, of course
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, but there was no level of a carnival night. and there was no such audience recognition, but she was filming, she was always making tiny little roles, like, how the colonel took me away beyond the cordon where she broke through and gave me away. but there were no big roles, well, there were no such main signs, and only then later did the beloved woman and the station for two appear. and now let's go. let's go to work again. huge, and fate brought you down. no? no once. this is where our performance begins. i'm talking about the one and only time she walked by backstage. and i because i idolized her all my life. i got stuck in a wall like that, and i couldn’t approach it, i was afraid. i have never spoken television. now i’ll say lyudmila markovna
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starred in a cruel romance, and the film was based on ostrovsky’s work and she played an actress from a small town. ildar aleksandrovich expressed everything or not, i was writing and i was sitting putting on my makeup. i was still young and i was scared, but somehow i was different from everyone and suddenly i was such a star. she said, as you say, my last name is guzeev, change your last name . you’ll spend your whole life, well, you’ll star in an uzbek film, then she’ll be a gremur. we told him, there’s not enough russianness in this girl, remove her eyebrows. i did not have legal votes never. i haven’t talked about this in any interviews anywhere. uh, and my make-up artist took hydroperite and repainted my black sable eyebrows red and there are, for example, frames. ah, well, i can see straight away, then they grew back. mine were getting dark. and hmm, they removed my eyebrows and made them red, and she also said, look, i’m thin, and
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i have round cheeks. and i had sunken western actresses pull out my teeth, and she said for the suit, i swear. lyudmila markle, i 'm looking at me now, don't be offended, the truth i say, and then i couldn’t, as make-up artists would say today, what are you doing? myself? why and instead of emphasizing the chips, they made me white then it was difficult to spoil me, but that’s all they did. yes, you understand, and i was afraid of her. i was very afraid of her. so what i want to say is that our sister is mixed up. i wouldn't deify anyone. but here are such bright characters. uh, these are the bright people who, uh, pass through your destiny. of course, they toughen you up a lot and they shape you, and they’re more interesting to play with. naturally. well, who would you play? vera vasilyeva, wonderful with dimples? who is kind to everyone, wonderful to play with fate, of course, lyudmila markovna has always
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been for me e with such a guideline in the profession. it seemed to me that if i were to be an actress, it would be someone like her, who might not exist anymore. just nothing but a dusty pavilion. well, i didn’t need anything , neither husbands nor children, but in words you say, you know, i don’t need anything except the stuffy pavilion of the engine combat team and a wonderful state of bliss when it turns out as you think it’s worth. uh, well put it here. on the altar of fate. yes? no, so you don’t have that much in common, and i draw conclusions, and therefore, uh, alive, otherwise, for me, family hmm is a priority. yes, because i realized very early that life is primary, art is secondary. in general, when i remember, there are people like poloskaeva. well, genius, really, it was so hard for them to leave.
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and they had such a complex and personal life, and they sacrificed so much, especially women, who sacrifice children and don’t give birth and so on, but still have to, old age, everything loneliness comes and these roles no longer exist, and our roles end very early, because every day someone arrives, swims across, and new ones jump in, sinning. you understand, in some we educate ourselves, so should i really agree with you completely? that is why i try to spend as much time as possible with my family. well , you’ve already managed to do so much today, so if you don’t act again, you’ll never get a course, you won’t go anywhere. you're already uh. look how much i managed. it seems to me that i still have so much ahead of me, tell her your plans. but do you think your personal life
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is happy, yes? but tell me, why didn’t this first trial marriage fall apart? through the fault of your husband, you did not ask for success; you were colleagues. we were colleagues. no, well, i just, i don’t want to talk about it. i fought honestly, but could not overcome the disease, then you had a second man for quite a long time. yes, your love and your best friend, who i don’t say at all, not just completely, i have forgiven everyone, everything is fine. you forgive easily, no it’s not easy, but i’m working on myself. i know that insults are evil. this is very bad for your soul , first of all, from insults and all sorts of illnesses,
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so i work on it and try to forgive. and when i really forgive, i immediately feel such relief, you know, i was so stressed out at a certain time. i just said, that’s enough. eh, i already have it. well, it's just not that last straw. i had already lost all this, and at a certain age i had already stopped taking a blow completely, that is, there was no skin left, no i can't take the blow. no, i’m dying straight away and i’ve learned. but just as it’s approaching , i’m just starting to feel the intuitions of the animal. i just understand that here i will suffer, and terribly, and here i will be wounded. and here i will die. i’m right here, you know, i’m saying, no no no, you’re mistaken , larochka no, you should have him around, you cherish him, you’re the only one. and i know for sure that you’ve been deceived, and i say straight out, thank you. i can’t do it anymore. that is, if i was there at 30 years old, i would run away. i took it and thought nothing. i'm still afraid this limit is now over.
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it’s good that intuition works, and i also have very strong intuition, and i always know what i feel, and i’ve already learned to listen to it. and there were some stories when intuition helped, when they told you, but he find it, but she did it, and you didn’t do what you heard yourself and still do. do you remember and i never regretted it, a lot, a lot of such stories were thrown off connected, a no , mainly an esthete, when i left the vakhtangala theater, when i was very much offended, i left. and only then a few years later. i understood why the lord sent these trials. if i had not left, i would not have been offered to head the theater. i would just sit there and continue to go crazy in the theater in october. who leaves such a theater, right? tell me about the family, here are two children for you. um, how
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do you educate um? what is the main thing you are conveying? for example, sometimes it’s not me, i say, we can’t explain it to him. let's just do it this way. well, just take my word for it. um, because i'm older. well, i just know for sure. well, because i don’t have time to explain this experience to you, just trust us with this word there’s definitely no need to go there, there ’s no need for shadows through this door. now he says, mom. yes , cool, but very rarely i could say there once every 3 years. here you have, for example, something from something you and you directly shut out your children and say, you don’t need this experience and it will never be useful, of course, of course, that’s exactly what i’m saying. like you just believe. you understand what mom wants. so that everything goes well with you. here, just believe, they believe there. well, not at all with children. the most important thing is love and trust. the child owes you to trust so much that even if something,
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well, catastrophically terrible happened. he still must trust you so much that he must know that he can come to you with this trouble. and that you will help me with my children. well, this is the point of ethereal education and dotted relationships, which i regret: there was no day and there was no night, so that i would not pray and ask them. well, what about forgiveness , but the fact that i was afraid i wouldn’t have time to rely on anyone, and i brought my mommy with me , uh, from orenburg and i needed all this equip. i'll break it alone. i understood that she had to plow. and if you already start plowing, it becomes part of yours. yes, something, when you get married you give birth to another child. and you seem to be protected. you still work like a horse. i missed a lot and i feel it, i have these bald spots. i can't fill them with anything. and no matter how i turn them towards me today. there are times when
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they directly say no. mom it's too late now. and you had enough wisdom and intelligence to keep your hand on course with the children. with the first as a child. i missed a lot, but i drew conclusions. i really wanted to achieve everything in my profession. but when i gave birth to my second, i said that’s all, stop trying. now my family comes first, i won’t miss anything anymore. what a difference in age just 10 years. and as soon as i said it. everything happened right away in my profession. immediately i was like oh, how does this happen? but i still realize that a lot of work has appeared. i still tried not to miss anything with my son. tell them now like they present that they saw off september 1st. they didn't celebrate the birthday she promised for the new year. but they offered you a corporate party, no, but i refused. i hmm always birthdays new year always
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refused corporate parties was always at home, i am my priority. mom took my mother right away. uh, as soon as i gave birth to my daughter 27 years ago, a year later i took my mother from odessa and helped. ah, my mother-in-law died when i was still pregnant with my daughter, and there were nannies and my mother helped. everyone helped and then the second time when i got married, uh, mother-in-law, until now helps, good relationship, right? i remind you that this is a podcast of letters, and my guest. nonna grishaeva, you built relationships with older women, or everything was so great for you. well, this is how it happened . everything was not
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great with me since my first mother-in-law. eh, even my own son couldn’t live with her, not like me, but what complaints there were, well, there were a lot of people, but i served my dream. i’m not the same, well, of course, but their son. yes, yes, but with the second mother-in-law everything was different and there were no complaints against me, despite the age difference. my family immediately accepted me. you gave birth to his grandson, whom they adore. no, of course not, when a son brings his grandmother into the house, and she will not bear them a single child or a single grandchild. but it would be offensive to you, it’s all offensive. but you, everything is fine, everything is wonderful, tell me what is your dream. of course, you still have no dreams of wearing them at all. i dream about grandchildren, of course, and i dream about roles, there are roles that are straightforward. here i am dreaming and keeping my fingers crossed. for
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god's sake, if it's not a secret, but it's not time yet filippovna no, thank god. no, i dream of philumeni. yes, i still dream. oh no, in your hands. everything is your own theater. oh no, i dream of skill in the vakhtangi theater. do you think that this romance can happen again with the theater? so where am i playing lucy? you have three vakhtangovs and you are on the theater staff. no, i returned to the vakhtangov theater for contracts, i play in three performances, so listen, everything is in your power, and you have everything for filamena. yes? yes, it’s not so simple in the theater, but for and who are marcela? well, who are you? but this is who you see: i see andrey ilyin yes, it’s beautiful, but it should be there. this is such a breed red butler yes, uh
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, marcello, this is all of the same order, as if the hero should be straight sugar and honey with cookies and marshmallow candies. he will be handsome, but not a little bit, his age is already taken away, and the legendary performance of the vakhtangov theater where simonov played you remember him, but i didn’t see the performance and edouard de philippe was at this performance and said that this was the best performance of the play. who was lyudmila maksakova? what are you talking about? you know, when eldar aleksandrovich came to us for his diploma in the play, i was removed from the role of the heroine because i missed the rehearsal there. she behaved badly. i fell in love and they replaced me with another girl. and the whole excursion supported me. i think they came to look at you while smoking, but i knew they were looking at me. well, how could they tease me so that i could have such a role, you little trick.
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and ryazanov then said it shouldn’t be like this, when on stage everyone wants a heroine, and in the audience no one knows what kind of story i have. a fantastic story was cut . it made a big difference when he came to watch our parody of office romance. dima team. i them he is easy. and he said, this is a girl. i know she also parodied, imploring him in the garage. if i had known this artist before, i would have featured her in all my films. and my mother and i are already watching tv. we didn't see this. it's all editing. when my mother and i watched the program, we started crying during lunch. you can just imagine on the screen, you showed me great. i just remember how i hid from you. we met with mark why explain on the swallow, and he bakes says, there is an ultrasound of him hide everything was hiding, because i think that you will scold me, you came with me. do you remember what i told you? you
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are so beautiful, it just relieved my heart that you are a talented, talented person. how is it possible that you are such a clown actress? uh, i’ll say it again, with such an appearance, it’s rare who can afford it when ugly girls play in comedies, because well, what else do you have left? say thank you to fate and play yourself. what did you want? well, tell me, thank you, it so happens that your legs are 15 cm long. your ears stick out instead of a nose, and so on. well and that, well, yes, you are gifted and good, but you will never play in your life, he threatened katerina, well, never well, because, well, that’s how it happened. and you weren’t scared when you moved to this side, but in the company. eh no. i was never afraid of being ugly. i feel like the school has spoiled me. so that the department did not recognize me. i played with the box. that is, i set up my grandmother like this, you know.

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