nobel prize, you are very insulting. i read it. this is very disappointing. yes, almost 25 times , well, he was nominated a lot of times and every time he didn’t receive something. yes, the marquis was ahead of the mark all the time, although i also love marx very much. yes, but i like borhis precisely because he gave birth to so many. that is, he seems to be a quiet librarian, you know, quietly, quietly, but he introduced a lot of concepts inside, then we are in culture, because i read him, i see murakami with his chronicles called birds, where people fall into some, and the corridors there are a different time, and there 1979 is the whole roman christian and crash, where e. there, people end up in iran during the revolution and are saved in order to find themselves in some magical, also another slice of time, and they do some rituals, eat black food, there. and so, in general, he asks the cleaning ladies to eat this. this program is type of quantity now

numbers of colors. yes, right now i’m reading alan moore’s absolutely gigantic novel, jerusalem, and alan moore’s, too, you know? this is exactly the uh, system, principle the wrong side, the principle of mirrors and the principle of traveling back and forth in time, that is, in essence , jerusalem is a deconstruction of the english family saga. such a straight classic, and family sagas, but each chapter takes place in its own time. it is not linear and periodically due to penetration. here , on the conditional underside of the city of nartkamton, and characters of the same family from different times have the opportunity to meet each other. and this, of course, is just such a complete borchia. here it is stretched out into a book that is called longer than the bible that is so, i would, of course, cut this jerusalem in half, but what’s cool is these four principles of four-dimensional space, where time is the most fascinating kala, eh? it's very

exciting to implement. i have a question for myself as a linguist. he's actually funny, but there's something about him. well, uh, borhis, he somehow entered the life of a russian person. eh, this joke is too much, what do you think is so overdone? you're a linguist, i don't know who else i should ask, but it seems to me that you might have some answer to this question. why did borhis stay in the uh, bastard of such a comic language? yes, because, because, in principle, the very name borkhiz in russian evokes some kind of inner isidore of seville with folk etymologies, you know? and this is the root bor, that is, i take it and so on . i really want to continue etymologizing it, that is, there are such unfortunate surnames that evoke folk etymologies and with them you can create a linguistic game. yes, a magician, yes,

well, of course, of course, that is, what even the author's surname is fixed in the body of another language in the fabric of another language and begins to spread there, like some beautiful noxious weed of amazing argentinean origin. here it begins to sprout. eh, in the fabric of the labyrinth of the russian language already, well , you see, we found it interesting what the move was. eh, linguistic indeed, something that explains the parting of the orchis and its immortality of its mind games. yes, he is immortal, because he is constantly repeated in the works of other people, it turns out that mon’s shadows continue to play caves on the wall continue to live. yes, the labyrinth continues to live . it endlessly recurses the mirrors endlessly, borkhiv. cool, natasha, thank you for the interesting conversation. i learned a lot and erudite is always interesting to listen to you and it was very interesting. so, as you can see, such a writer as horhel and the assembly is very

unusual. uh, thanks for inviting me. i really like to talk about books and make them feel good. it was under the counter, a must read. i'm the main attacker. at my place. uh, there was natalya usha, a musician , candidate of philological sciences, lead singer of the group mills, also known as humanity, thank you for all episodes of the podcasts, a must -read. you can find it on the first channel website 1tv.ru. you see, here’s the thing, it turns out. andrey nikolaevich ditty. one has arrived. they told us nonsense. it’s brothers, it doesn’t matter, it will come out a little in the rain. you remember kovalenko like this, but of course, i remember this, the city of yaroslavl is mommies ben and the guys who composed

the song about the whole hung lokomotiv is one such, let’s say chorus, one verse, namely, dedicated in my honor. yes, but there was about and it was about egor in damad style and about dima krasotkin and about the whole team and about the judges and catching a cold too. yes, that is, these are the kind of ditties that they composed in 2002, after the championship season, almost the second one, and the championship season , these ditties were already spinning, uh, constantly, both on the ice rink and in cars our fans and hockey lovers and in our locker room. naturally, also olympic andrei kovalenko is a guest today on the podcast lab program we are talking about hockey hockey football many topics because continental hockey is developing and you haven't been seen for a long time andrey kazachya what is he doing, when was the last time on the ice on the ice. i was last there literally this wednesday. uh,

i live in the city of yaroslavl and do social work. i include difficult teenagers, athletes, and so on for youth policy. about which plast is opening , yes, and so, uh , no one canceled training twice a week on the ice, but you have to be distracted by nizhny novgorod, your son plays there. he was a better scorer and thought that you would have a dynasty. you know, when i was born son, i really dreamed that he would follow in my footsteps, but will there be a dynasty of hockey players and will he succeed in hockey, no matter how i thought about it yet, i tried to help him. what's the best way to do it? how do i see this hockey? yes, in the current situation. well, i would say that it is too early to say that this is a dynasty. yes, he has progressed all these years, starting from the age of 17, when he got into the first team of lokomotiv. yes, he progressed in the same

youth team when they won the kharlamov cup and the world cup, but today day, i would say, probably in adult hockey. this is the best season so far. eh, it’s clear that he has grown, it’s clear that he has matured, but for a good athlete. you must repeat what you have already done. that is, you must hold your own. maintain your level and then you can say that you have succeeded as a hockey player and have succeeded as an athlete. and if you ride the waves, but as they say, up and down , up and down, today this result showed tomorrow there is no saying that you are a good hockey player or athlete. this is unlikely perhaps, but igor nikolaevich is another matter because larionov yes, he created this team and i must say that the second season will be a big test for him, because there is already such charm. maybe it’s because of the hockey that nizhny shows. but i think that they already had this test in the first season. and

when they just started showing. this is hockey, many skeptics. many experts said that it would not last long, that the pre-season there was not as difficult as they were used to seeing it. why is this hockey fast now? the team will end up collapsing the team will lose when there is no such preseason, indeed, it soars. and it seems that, well, this will end, i’m kind of a skeptic. it would be no. this is an appearance. that is, guys. we worked hard, no matter how hard the preseason was. it was just directed a little differently. eh, in our good soviet times. you have to re-sausage tons of iron there, and drag and distill. you have to run kilometers there, but there was just preparation, but a slightly different plan, then we saw with what do you mean, well, now a month or two will pass. of course they are, katya is definitely not in the right place. by winter, they definitely fly pilaf, well, pilaf and iron, as if they were flying there. yes, it’s scary,

but fortunately, as they say, they passed the test and passed it, of course, always. uh, second year. that's how they say the second championship year is harder than the first. why because everyone wants to beat you, they want to throw you off. speedy began to prove that they are stronger and the same thing, and here igor nikolaevich and company. a-and hockey players with managers. yes, let's call it completely torpedo general. yes, that is , it will certainly be harder for him, because from the second year everyone will want to prove that their hockey is better. why it’s not only me, but also my colleagues have a clear understanding of this season of such a watershed : there is a team playing and there is a team that are hard to watch, because hockey. well, they are different, of course. well, again, there is severstal, which runs, razin has, uh, nizhny, which plays attacking hockey. with capri rotenberg there were also quite a lot of bright attackers in hockey there is lokomotiv which is hard to watch. this is a far-fetched

story or or that’s how i feel. uh, somewhere around hmm 50/50. yes, in the sense that i’ll explain my 50 uh, we have teams that play defensively. eh, for one simple reason, these are the reasons. it has been going on for a long time that we have a turnover of coaching staff. and if nervy didn’t fulfill it. eh, let's put it this way. this is the task that was set. it practically doesn't work anymore. and not only that, our coaches can film 5-7 games there, they lost and rarely wait for the managers when, after all, the team will start playing, for example, which is why coaches begin to adjust. the most important result is not hockey, but the result that recorded the end of the game was in your favor. but what kind of hockey you show, that’s the thing, it doesn’t matter whether you’re defensive. the main thing, as pyotr ilyich vorobyov said in the nineties, back when he worked in the dashboard at lokomotiv

yes, he always said, the main thing for us is not to miss. we will definitely score one, so the problem here probably lies not with the coaching staff. yes, we have a lot of good coaches. we have a lot talented guys, both young and seemingly experienced, but the leadership of e does not give them. they strive to the end, but they are afraid of losing their job. and what to do about it? this will change somehow . this is probably still more a question for the leaders. are they ready to endure? again ? let's do this honestly, looking into each other's eyes. yes, the one who pays calls the tune. and if there is a sponsor and sponsors pay crazy amounts of money, hundreds of millions per team, that is, naturally they want to see the result. we're talking about what the regular season was bright and unpredictable, but sailing the semi-finals of ska-cska and the final of cska ak bars, in general, at the start one could imagine that there would be just such pairings.

and what does this mean that, well , the regular season is really unpredictable, it can be as much as you want, and only those who, well, who can afford it, play in the playoffs. well, let’s just say they don’t play pilaf. those who can afford it, but those who watch reach the finals, but this is how it turned out in our hockey, probably, looking at the last years, that, in principle, in principle, for the top four, let's say, well, for the finalists in the conferences there are west and east, yes, approximately the same teams are fighting. uh, here , this tradition can probably be changed due to uh, only m. let's just say, the distribution of the hockey players themselves is limited by the application sheet. yes, that is, you can’t have applications there, if you have a system, the youth tower and the khl there you somehow had , that is, no more than 70 people, yes, but these 70 people they can play all the time no one bothers the first team to turn them around, because we are from st. petersburg. yes, only

what did you want to say. well, we'll come out nutmeg. yes, they have a big shop. they have a lot of hockey players. although these hockey players play above the league, they could play well in another khl team, that is. i always say, we have a lot of talented youth, if we talk about youth, they are 20-21 years old, 22, but why can’t they show up right away and play, because the club sends them to the fan club, and they cook there for the major league , and he will return from the major league. he's back, or he'll stay there. now look at the situation from the other side. both play above the league, they only need one hockey player, one, one quick striker. one was taken, the other was not , therefore the second may no longer be revealed. my point is that this system pushes our young people a little out of their rut, when they could play in another team at the khl level, they have to play above the league and wait for their chance. from

next season there will be cross-play-offs from the second round. to be honest, i don’t really understand why this is necessary? well, on the one hand, to avoid the semi-finals of cska ska, which was repeated once again this season, but on the other hand, finances are probably a fairy tale, that is, here we are stretching, you know? why did you do this? understand what the board of directors was guided by. yes , that is, it was already, but you made a lot of statements there , someone, for example, slava fetisov yes, he said that i don’t see the point in doing it. uh, cross-playoffs, because it will increase the costs and really cost you. eh, roughly speaking, to moscow from yaroslavl, yes , or you’ll fly, you go to yekaterinburg or to vladik, or, well, to vladik - it’s all the same they are there in the west, that is, they still fall into this; there is another side to the coin. this is the audience, never the audience. let's say vostok doesn't see cska swimming, maximum. only one city at best. if they play in the finals, they have a chance

to see sasha radulov in the west. yes, when he will play, uh , in the playoffs, not only the regular season for one match . he came and left, yes, but the fact that he will play two matches there, but at their stadium. he has fans not only not only in kazan , but also in moscow, but in another country, for example, here we are waiting. the second round we have the green derby ak bars - lettuce, now it will be ak bars-severstal. that's what's good. well, a very bad severstal caused a stir today, and i will say that it will be interesting there from a hockey point of view, but again, if we are talking about spectator interest, here you go, by now, or cska is also like derby. here, too, everyone is waiting, but it will happen. well , okay, it will be cska avtomobilist, the two-point system remains in your neighborhood, did alexey morozov, the president of the khl, and he talked about that we are talking about bringing back the three-point system, and minus the two-point system, that there will be calm endings to the matches. well, like that, well, everything is clear. one one two two.

let's wait anyway, we've already taken a point, and here too you see, everywhere we have a double-edged sword, yes, well, i agree with lyosha somewhere that the two-point system gives an opportunity to someone in the end. well , stress that he needs glasses, and someone just swim calmly, because he already took one there. the most important thing is not the feeling of playing and that's all, and that's enough for me, but on the other hand there is a second side to the coin. as i say again. the three-point system allows teams in the championship to make such a start for themselves that, in principle, they are practically ready for the new year, they already had such options. and this is also not eating, good, because well, we have already we have already sailed so we can slowly prepare for sailing and not show that intense and that interesting hockey that the days of our season so that well, how would it be not at 1 september and march yes there, because, well,

many teams do not get our sails. that is, just yes, yes, but six didn’t hit , yes, that’s all. otherwise, they would still please the audience with their hockey, at least there would be another interesting one until the middle to the end of march. the story is a bonus situation that is being introduced into salaries now by the salary cap. how do you look at this? is this good or bad? treason, uh, i always said it, i say it, and i will say it, and i myself loved to work according to this scheme. here he is there with his , let's say, last seasons, yes, that is they gave it to me there for the name for the indicator, and this season i will say. well, i have 2-3 years there. i can ride for a year, as we speak, with a cigarette. yes, this is not the same without straining, well, they will score, there is an average number of points per salary. no one will take it from me. the player should have an incentive. even if the salary is better, you limit it and so on.

and yes for for hockey players yes, but leave the bonuses as an example, we can our respected sasha radulov. yes, what bonuses did he have so that he would be in the top three scorers, what bonuses does he have so that got the team? he has a personal bonus then, so that they could bring sasha and sign him at ac barca, they would have to give him a double contract. you are more involved in social activities; you were a deputy. there and here i joined the army in the central sports club of the army, my dream came true. i got into the national team when my dream came true, and then i came. eh, some income. yes, that is, i walked towards this and walked for a very long time, again using the example of my sons i can say there is kolya yes, who all his life wanted to become a hockey player, he went for it. yes , there he received a salary of 15,000 rubles. i remember when he received it. i mean, we once didn’t play for millions. yes, we had a salary there, well, let’s do it this way, i received it at cska when i was 21 years old. i received a rate of 120

rubles. i received a plus for the rank of junior lieutenant. they also added 110 to me. that is, i had a salary, of course, it may have been more than someone else’s, but i myself chose this profession. so if we compare. eh, now those days are the nineties time. i came to tolyatti to play in the nineties when i was there in 1994, we had a strike. i arrived, i think, there for 2.5 months. i played in tolyatti, believe me. the salaries of those times are not comparable , that is, if sponsors are willing to pay, uh, athletes, that kind of money, if, uh, managers are willing to pay that kind of money, but this is probably a question also for them. well, yes, well, this is just our reasoning, and i also don’t have an answer to this, because conditionally now lada is returning to the khl and thank god and they will be there the guys who work at the plant have big contracts. well, completely different money. well, to be honest, it means that lada

is not a private enterprise. yes, and russian railways is a private enterprise. that is, again, if we draw a parallel with the nhl, yes, then the owner of washington is a business. he can afford it. there is government money here, it goes towards the big salaries of this football and hockey player. that is , there is actually a really very important question here, which we constantly raise, on which so far the answer has not been obtained. it was interesting to see your point of view regarding trade unions now. there are no trade unions in the khl, they de jure exist, de facto, in principle, no. is this good or bad? uh, i can’t tell you, definitely, why can i tell you? but why didn’t there exist a trade union? uh, somewhere, maybe the trade union has relaxed a little. yes , everything has already settled down and it’s completely agreed somewhere, the hockey players understood with the agents. why should we be in a union? if everything has already been done, yes, that is, everything is already in the regulations and

these regulations are implemented by the continental league. that is, i believe that for the first 10 years. we worked very well. we did a lot for the hockey players that didn’t exist and that they took advantage of. yes, for example, well, for example, payment upon dismissal, payment of compensation to a hockey player. he changed three teams during the season. you signed a full-fledged contract in the preseason, you will be fired and received 25%. and he signed a second contract at another club. you were fired. in november. you have already received 50%. now you play in the third club and get salary. i'm telling you this is bad. i say, the trade union did this, because such conditions had never existed before. but nevertheless, uh, it turned out this way. i also have the impression that since we have everything , the work is already done. why should we stay there? well, that’s strange, because again, you know very well how the nhl works and how influential the players’ union is there.

we, uh, can't have that kind of influence here because we've talked so many times. we discussed it many times. yes leverage on managers. we don’t have a trade union system. do you think it’s in our country or is this just a specific personal story? no, i think it’s all of them, that is, any trade unions. in our country they operate in accordance with the law. yes, by federal law you cannot go to the side; you cannot go further there, nevertheless. eh, i've been asked this question a lot. let's go on strike. these are the kinds of infringements there. this is how it infringes on us there. they don’t give us this, they don’t give us this. i'm talking, i 'm asking a question. guys, let's do it, let's do it strikes. you won't play, you won't practice. well, damn it, you won’t receive your salary all at once in the locker room at a meeting. yeah, listen, i’m minus that much per month, no, i’m not going to play. let's not go on strike. again, let's not

say hockey is the same. that is, going around clubs, talking with others. yes, there were moments when i talked about the fact that there were problems in this club, they didn’t pay money. there might need to be something to help inspire the guys. everyone asks me a question listen, this is how i play, let's say. i'm playing akbarse. what do i care about vladivostok and the admiral that their salaries are not paid for their problems. it isnot mine. why do you think that this unifying structure really works there, but here this business will not happen. we talked to you, and you yourself said that there this is business for you, this is commerce and everyone understands that by uniting and setting your own conditions, without going out on the ice. after all, the leader also loses. uh, presidents , a certain amount, of course, that’s right, therefore, these are certain levers of pressure on the same leaders there, and

the presidents of clubs and so on. there are no such levers here, well, yes, one manager once told me. he says, do a great job, he says, the strike is great. i say i’ll save so much money, he says per month and i’ll report to the sponsor there that you look. i haven’t paid my salary for a month this year. i saved money. you still have them, that is, here. eh, as they say, we have a different system, we have a different hockey system here. subsidized we say that there are state companies, there are private companies that invest in the development of sports. but in america, after all, the nhl is a commercial project, they make money from it. let's say show and business are two different concepts. that is, we have them , then let’s break them down in my understanding, yes, that is, hockey should be a show. yes, where the audience comes, where they come to throw out their emotions, there after a working day. yes, someone is sick there to recharge with positive energy

when the team wins, yes, or there be disappointed, but it still splashes out some kind of negative energy. yes, so that you can go to work there quietly the next day. this should be a show. it should be colorful. it should be beautiful. it should be stylish, but business is another matter. what is business in my understanding , business is when you invest money and you receive income; we invest in sports. money income is not obtained. it may be minimal, but it does not cover the costs that are invested. and we have the concept of limit legionnaires, and even now there are up to three pigs. well, the point is not about the limit, but the point is that alexey morozov said that the book is against this, yes, what is it? well, not great. this does not go towards development, while the solution remains in return for sports. and how can this happen in general, maybe, and this also applies not only to hockey, but also to football, that is, it seems that lika is

an independent unit of the khl rpl, but at the same time it, uh, completely depends on the decision of the ministry of sports. i believe that if the league is an independent unit, it should approve your rules and do not need to submit them for approval, but simply for approval. yeah, that's because with us, let's do it. we're talking about development in my understanding. yes, there is some kind of consensus, uh , in negotiations, but always when three independent units are trying to develop the same thing for each development vector. eh, directed in his direction. we have swan crayfish and pike. we have the ministry of sports, we have the federation, we have the khl on some issues. they agree on some issues and act in a consolidated manner. and for some reason they didn’t agree on issues, and therefore, that’s why we don’t have. sweets, which should be so and there are three legionnaires - this is too much with tightening. what do you think, if we

are talking about our pro-russian hockey, if we are talking about young people, then we should let them play and give them the opportunity. yes, as it used to be in good times, there are two leading links, the third is the middle one between the leading ones. and this, well, it should be there somewhere and there are young guys who should study for a year or two. this is what the team consists of, my opinion, even in the current in reality it has not changed when we talk about foreigners. give me five. give me three or there were offers. let's open the league in general, well, what about if the leagues open the league, open it. let’s go before the sanctions, yes, and before we were removed from the international arena . there was such a negative experience, i don’t remember which years, but i know for sure that in germany, when they opened their league, people poured in to them. uh, foreigners flooded all the teams, began

to compete with each other, and the german hockey team almost went downhill. they are from they refused to make a limit on this. again, we have to uh be clear, they play important roles on the team. they bring results. yes, but they take. uh, hockey, let's say time, but on the ice with russian hockey players, who have one foot in our team. that is, it turns out that we give foreign players so that they bring results in the team, but we cross out some hockey players and do not give them full games, that is , the national team may already suffer here, but the club receives dividends correctly, and, of course, of good quality, to put it mildly, everything is in ok, and this hockey player will no longer be ours in the national team, so i probably wouldn’t say that it’s three or five. i

would talk about what positions these players play and what the club can do to ensure that candidates in the national team get full time. we talked about this a lot, right? that is, well, we don’t , we don’t want middle- class foreigners to come. we want the stars to come. this is great. they make. the result is that young people learn from them 2 yes, but for foreigners i don’t care what happens to russian hockey tomorrow. this year we have teams that played without foreigners ak bars-lokomotiv, please, that means enough we have athletes who can show results on the other hand ak bars can afford the training of gorlitsky and radulov, which gives this result, but again let's do this, uh, he'll go away. radulov will leave, shipachev will leave, just like gorlitsky will leave. semyonov is all the players who are visiting, i am one of the forwards.