then what positions do these players play in and what can the club do to ensure that candidates in the national team receive full time. we talked about this a lot, right? that is, well, we don’t, we don’t want middle-class foreigners to come. we want the stars to come. this is cool. they make. the result is that young people learn from them, 2, yes, but these foreigners don’t give a damn what will happen to russian hockey tomorrow. this year we have the same teams that played without foreigners in the same region ak bars lokomotiv please, that means we have enough athletes who can show results on the other hand , ak bars can afford what this result says. well, again, let's just go away. radulov will leave, shipachev will leave, kagarlitsky will leave. in semyonov, these are all the players who are visiting. i'm one of the forwards and you won't be playing in the final. who will play for them? i don’t know, that is, the version of

ak bars’ development vector today, as i see it, is to win the cup today. what will happen tomorrow? i don't know. yes, we have promising young people, like voronkov. yes , we have melon there. yes, we have them, but tomorrow they will leave for the nhl . who will remain to play? therefore, the development vector of kazan akbars is to constantly buy certain hockey players above the average level of stars there or our russian ones, well, who are in the national team so that they show results. then why do you need a school? you maintain a school ; you have built so many skating rinks; you have nowhere for young people to go. lokomotiv, where the older ones played, now the younger ones are playing. the entire development vector a little bit another they have a school from a school from this one comes replenishment. yes, they take. they buy, but they buy them selectively, but at the same time lokomotiv has no results, for 100 years already. and this is, uh, a problem, probably not in

the hockey players themselves in that system. every year they have a new coach, every year and a half there. yes, the coach has come to the old yeast. he worked, then he didn’t show anything of his own to remove it, as it turns out, it’s like this is the vector of development, and at the same time the boys have nowhere to go, they don’t win. yes, plus uh, plus. uh, here we go again we are talking about the same youth when we return. yes, this is exactly the system when, instead of not being on the team, they are sent to the major league and many of them in this major league remain at the level that we came up with. therefore, we say that it is a good school. there are good young people, but there is nowhere to play, because they take certain ikea players for their results. well, in the finale... returning to the topic of confrontation between the two sports of hockey and football in your opinion. why hockey is not football, what does it have that is not in football or on the contrary, probably more. i don’t even know, i

don’t interact with football players much. now yes, previously, when we once lived at the base in cska, there was football on the second floor in arkhangelskoye, we were on the third, we had more communication, more than anything else, well, we shared our impressions. i don't know, it's just hockey for me. he's closer. it is a more contact sport. there are fewer people there. there is probably more opportunity there to prove yourself as a leader, well, in my understanding. no offense to the football players. yes, they also have their own leaders, but here i am hockey was probably easier to prove yourself, because after all, football is a playground , you know that there are 60 meters that you need to run through. here, after all, 60 to 30 is the maximum. yes, that is, here, uh , it was probably more convenient for me personally hmm to play according to the content according to the structure. but this is the same sport as hockey. yes, probably any

sport can be taken here, because in any sport, athletes, before performing in competitions. they are preparing, they are preparing, heavy, heavy, undergoing three functional loads, physical activity, psychological stress. yet again. it’s you who should be able to immediately rebuild after a loss, that you should go out on the ice again the day after tomorrow and you should already forget all this in any sport. they are probably the same in this way. they are similar in this way. thank you very much for visiting the hockey not football program. this is the lappermu podcast. my name is denis kazansky for now. hello this is the podcast easy money, i’m its host mikhail khanov today we have a very

difficult topic, this is entrepreneurship. how to open your own business, and in our guests ivan tinkov entrepreneur, can you say serial entrepreneur, president of the moscow business meeting? hello , thank you for inviting me. today we will solve a very difficult problem. you know, there are a lot of textbooks, a lot of articles on the topic how to open your own business, about what? this is generally where to start, and so on, there are absolutely masses of theoretical research. today you are like a real practitioner and i think that we will try to describe it with you. this is a step-by-step mechanism creation by example, how was it for you? well, actually. let's start there with the main question. why is it easy for some people to open? yes business one another third, they fail opens the following. yes, that’s why they ’re called serial entrepreneurs, because that’s where entrepreneurship takes place. like a series. yes, this is not just one. a lifelong dream project. yes there or family heritage business is really business after

business is a new business and exactly. entrepreneurship itself. why this word? to me we also like him much more than the businessman. well, actually, why do some people open and do others continue to dream. what does this depend on? well, this probably depends more on the person. hmm, and, of course, here you need to understand that someone is immersed in certain fixed ideas or in a certain dream. and for some it simply becomes the meaning of life, a lifestyle when it starts in childhood. that's when you felt like you were capable of starting your own business. listen, my father he is an entrepreneur and a builder. i'm from a small region, republic of mordovia, city of saransk yes , this is the time when we, probably our parents, saw it once through the peephole there. yes, but certain things, of course, he instilled in me in moscow, i’m 16 years old. he lives alone, as if he had arrived, but, if memory serves , 2004-2. the fifth year is the plekhanov academy of attempts to walk, but its impossibility,

probably, even then there were some first beginnings. well, of course, something has been emerging since school. well, specifically, well , it was a different time then, i remember the cassette, but they took the cassette and gave it up. uh, the same thing classmate for rent. there, one by one, within a certain period of time. yes, when the first rambo came out there or the first - there was blood or voice acting. no no, these are not goblins, thank god that’s why it didn’t work out, that’s why i see this story. it’s still true, but someone goes for the money, and someone really gets sick of this story of you. i think entrepreneurship in general. this is a disease. it can only progress in this way, that is, it is a disease that covers a person and is already on another, and the positions of top management there are independent management, wages, all sorts of goodies and delights. in any

case, freedom-loving people who are sick of certain ideas, or several ideas over a certain period of life, will not be able to work under someone. well, now i think that our audience can record the first life hack. we uh tradition of this podcast, what am i saying? take a piece of paper and a pen in your hand. yes actually. here, uh, tactile sensations, no one canceled additionally and write down that uh, you understood that ivan came to moscow at the age of 16 in 2004. many people say that it was the nineties back then. this was the peak attention of 2004, that is, it would seem that everything had settled down. that's all, actually. eh, all the assets are already moving there. what is called distributed, but nothing has been distributed. and if there really is this mood in, uh, in the soul and in the psychology, then maybe any year, you’ll agree, there’s 2004 2005 2010, that is, every time the excuse of time was not that your time was that’s where it started. ah, well, it seems to me that if we are talking about and there is a basic industry at that time, when i arrived, it was completely unrealistic

today, given the new age, given e-commerce, how it is developing, is it possible to catch something in the same product segment? yeah, of course, why were flowers flowers born? it's literally spontaneous. first business. it was flowery and it grew into a fairly large federal network. the pandemic , of course, has taken a toll on us; we have closed about seventeen regions. but let’s just say that scaling continues nonetheless. we forgot to say that you are the founder and owner of a chain of flower supermarkets in annual turnover of 3 billion rubles. i won't give or take anything today. this includes one digit. ah, when we dropped to this figure, i’ll tell you well, when the first one was earned, let’s say, well, a million is probably not interesting, namely about the turnover. yes, it’s not earned when the turnover has reached, well , let’s say it’s 100 million rubles. in year. look , i had an idea, the fix is ​​a billion. i 'll tell you honestly the turnover. naturally turnover. at first there was an idea of ​​​​a fix in some quantity

and this, but a huge misconception of mistakes from mine hand, because we just started, well, let’s say minting magazines, which we’ll start, in fact, you started wool, and see where you can use it. let's take a closer look here. at the very first store i took it there, and then we were engaged in some kind of financial consulting, let's call it that way, uh, there was money, but my father is a very conservative person. and for everything else, no matter what. he said that your turnover is the salary fund in that business, if you could call it that, which i was engaged in photo there was practically none. i think that we need to open some kind of business that will please my father. yes, at least somehow equal me in his masculine concepts, that is, this is still the fulfillment of someone’s expectations. i think this is the solution to my childhood complexes, probably somehow not closed, genstahl. he probably influenced it. well, this will be true, that is , i initially did not go into the flower business, because i love flowers, which cannot

be said now, now i love flowers, i love what i do. and, of course, i miss them in many ways, given the new project, but be afraid to do this. this is the first step. here's for you. what was this to you? what is 16 years old? and, if we are talking about the flower business, this is 19 years old, 19 19, 1/2 the first such business that could be called a business. it was a business where people depended on me. i 'll tell you so. yes, there was a fund, there was a fund. ah, it was just a store, then two more at once, which opened within a month. that's all there was to this whole story. how many months did it take to maintain this idea? i remember the mine. this is a corporate job considering the arenas. because if we are talking about moscow, the main expense is, of course, the rental rate in moscow leaves much to be desired. if we are talking from the side of a-a tenants, then, yes, then this is, of course, ford. that is, if we, on average , should not exceed 15%. labor should not

exceed yes percent of turnover. well , of course, it exceeds what you now look back on. yes, so that you can correct it now or do it differently, but always yes, but if i had a magic wand, then now i would do it like this, and so everything would just fly off like a rocket, what, and i would go to get additional education , because i didn’t have enough of it at the initial stage, anyway, honestly, i was registered at the university, but to say that i gave this due education in what? ah, when i finished my bachelor’s degree, this was one story in my master’s program. at our plekha academy , real practical financial directors taught. i remember teaching at the central department store and other people, the smartest people, practitioners who you could listen to on what, how to conduct business, how conduct human resource management. this was marketing in the form in which we saw it then, probably now it is something else, but in general they had it. well, you can learn a lot. and in general

, the internet was open then, but that age did not allow me to think that someone knew more than me, so no. well, this is real, i clearly understand that, at least at that time, entrepreneurs of my age entered this story with a small crown. well, this is like the effect of this silicon. yes, you can google it, when people with high iq with any level of educational knowledge consider themselves. uh, actually not competent enough, but people. well, look at what the effect is on the internet, and people who do not have knowledge do not at the same time. they confidently just walk forward and speak. well, it's like that, because it's like that, yes. here. well, actually, it helped in many ways. i want to say how you nevertheless chose the sphere. yes, maybe intuitively yes subconsciously, which in the end became really milliarmolized in fact, if we are talking about the industry that we are talking about now, which i started, i did some light analytics, and i understood that in construction products and in some other industries there are certain surnames, big surnames,

strong surnames, then flowers at that moment it was soft. let's say business in the service zone , frankly, it had no hair, it was absolutely not abundant and there were no serious players, and in fact, today monopoly in business does not exist and is often very confused. uh, next question. e concepts business idea with business goals. what is the difference? look at the purpose of any business. still, it makes money. it is a fact. i believe that if there is no mission and value that we carry at all. this world will not be like that. you have neither loyalty on the part of the target audience nor loyalty to the char brand on the part of your staff. well, that is, in fact , speaking in simple terms. you yourself must be burning with this idea; you must have a sparkle in your eyes, otherwise, people simply won’t believe it. no one at the stage needs a charge, which is just like with the springboard will make it clear to the entrepreneur that his main mission is to be a charge of incentive both for his employees and for the target

audience for whom you work, yes, as your potential buyer. that is, you must be the very engine, and in which you must be the same dan when who tore out his heart and went. well, i always compared myself more with mayakovsky, who know such a loud and powerful word. maybe the meeting was tougher, you know, you love rose and i’m on these this story, of course, of course, at the initial stage - this is important when people do not see the dividends that exist when they close the technology that were promised and pia i immediately that is. well, these are key performance indicators, that is, these are the criteria by which the success or failure of actions is assessed. well, any yes, uh, 1 2 3 you and i have determined that if we achieve such goals, yes, then we are great. if not, then not well done, that’s it. well, probably, let's just ask this question right away. well, i'm sorry for torturing you like this that's fast enough. what do you think the business direction is? yes, business ideas may be in demand now, not a specific

business idea. yes, it’s probably incorrect to ask that way. well, let's say the area. tell our listeners that he became the founder of the company. this is everything that concerns uavs and drones, but of a different nature. mostly. we started farming. they can give fields. they can sit, they have even learned to eat buckwheat and rice quietly on their own. if you and i imagine a field of 10,000 hectares, then there are certain easement zones. according to which they lead to this, these are empty zones on which nothing is planted, because , for example, a tractor must drive through them in order to produce this or that. uh-huh, then, for example, if they are performed by a drone at a certain height, then all this is seeded, so that we are given a cut that is already 6% larger than the actual sphere. that is, what spheres are all the spheres, for example, connected, for example, with the future, but they are also visible in the same 3d printers.

we started production of their areas of application it is colossal, from education to current situations there. that is the question. where do you see yourself, where is it burning, where is it burning, i wouldn’t go into this, i initially invested in these projects, you clearly understand that this is a definite future. now i’m sick in this in a sense, and probably in my basic businesses, which today are more classic, the management is even a little jealous in the form of me, and now they say less often it’s clear. house ah, an absolutely wonderful concept of starting capital. yes everyone says, that’s why we don’t belong there now, but in 2004 there are some criteria. now, is a burning heart and burning eyes enough to start a business or is some money still needed? you know the story. so i started with 10,000 rubles. now is this story real or is it 100,000 million, what does it all depend on? well , he talks well about some startups that, in the chamber as a whole, were successful. but you and i understand that this is not a system. it's

always a piece. eh, an exception to the rule. of course i would attract investors. here big risks. we act as investors in several small projects, but i know a huge number of stories when guys just had bright ideas and drove a businessman in need. and i don’t believe in his business plan. why is it impossible to prove? well, imagine a young guy comes to you, his eyes are burning. so he says, this is how it will be, you ask him one simple question. and if he doesn’t , he has nothing to give you, you have nothing. take no guarantees, you either believe in his idea and in his energy and in his energy yes, or what honestly, i haven’t had a single business that hasn’t been implemented yet, where there was a business plan. i 'll be honest. this is my life without a business plan. don't make a budget for the year. no , there is planning already in an existing business. but, if we say start not well, of course, well, it's not me doing it. tom management are specially trained. i'm not a systems person.

i need to understand that i need to get a saber. i always say go into battle, and then we’ll figure it out, so i clearly understand my strengths. i understand what kind of team to surround myself with, because in fact, the footage was said by one smart person, always a frame. decides. all. i absolutely agree with him, because without uh, well, without this human background, there are no strong steps. you will not make people choose legal formalities and open. this is when you can start counting your profits and losses. still, sometimes they are needed. should you do this when you can set the same kpi? yes , it’s an indicator that, well, it didn’t fly or it did fly, but there are expectations. i always put the first point - this is zero, this is an operational zero. when we even cover with you current current costs, but they also need to be calculated correctly. own time. we start counting from the very beginning from the very beginning, of course. of course, we still do this, that is, a business plan - look at that. i'm not for this not to happen.

i’m just saying that i personally don’t pay so much attention to this, but it must be a team you select yourself, of course, top management is the main thing, you must take friends, the experience was not to advise them. moreover, moreover, the experience was not soviet i i understand, that is, we immediately put a taboo on our family friends. listen, i heard these same stories both from older comrades and from my father. well, i understood exactly when i stepped on my own rake. in general, i think that it’s time to watch. make mistakes and then be guided by them in your own life. these are completely two different stories. sometimes it's better. let it rake well. it will hit you between the eyes, then it will be clear and understandable , because watching the same video 10 times is so painful. hmm we have to get over it, so make mistakes. only from them will there be any sense and only from them will there be money. this is an easy money podcast, and i am its host, mikhail khanov

. today we have a very difficult topic, how to open your own business, and our guest is serial entrepreneur ivan tinkov . are your employees following you on social networks? i hope so, and you are secret about it. i hope you talk to all your subscribers as if you were behind the screen, only your employees have this. i sometimes convey certain information about exclusively, for some people, people understand this, but the effect is yes, that is, this use this, but this is always correct, when you communicate, imagining specific people with whom you communicate in general, it is easier. and you know. people like this better. i understood one thing: time, if we talk about some social activity, some blogging, then time and photographs next to all kinds of rental cars. a-and rurik, thank god dear life it is gone, thank god that now is the time of openness, the time of honesty. naturalness, as regards men and women,

thank god let it stay that way. i still always adhered to conservative views. and in everything. sometimes even too much, but it’s better to let it be so. actually, who comes first at the very beginning. i understand correctly who is involved in promotion and promotion at the initial stage. is it you or are you immediately hiring someone professional in business or media? a listen in different ways. for example, i still have my miracle marketer, that is, for me this is generally history. so now you yourself are a marketer well, in fact, look, if the director has several companies in which he is present, where operational activities are not carried out by me. if we are talking about those projects where i am in the operating system , marketers are not worried there. perhaps it's some kind of internal cockroach. here, leave this nonsense, perhaps operating businesses. now you are conducting three at the same time. well, how many people work once or twice in a third business? here is the first business, the second is the third,

where you are engaged in operational management, and there are 16 people subordinate to you. this is a lot overkill, because i believe that there is a japanese system of no more than 6 people in direct subordination, and it should work for its top workers. this is how i build it myself. for now, probably, at least the concept of delegation. i understood, but even though i practice fully, i didn’t know. this is a difficult case, this is actually the first step. for a manager, this is the ability to delegate authority, you know, when we say, well, this is an important question. i ’ll do this myself, yes, but well, i’ll definitely start with the next one, you’ll never start. i'm just at my place there is such an example. eh, i worked in one large top 10 bank. eh, well, at a fairly high level, we created a call center. so i needed direction to raise a question about automation. the call center cost was $250,000. that is, a quarter of a million dollars came to me. so the employee cranked up the prices of the center, and she said, that’s it, he mash allocated the money to us. everything is fine.

everything is amazing, we are writing a question on the website to the s- directors. uh, banks. yes. and this is the direction. yes, we carry questions and do. well great. i i say it's great? let me tell you how to do it, who will do it? you, of course, you say, i don’t know how, not once did it end with her writing to me. the first text there is four sheets long. i've used it all up. she sat for half an hour listening to the tenth or eleventh version. i brought a piece of paper. two sheets. i signed without correcting the comma and took it away. i wasted a month and a half of my life, but after a month and a half. i had a person capable of writing documents for a bank in the top 10, worth a quarter of a million dollars. and when through i'm a couple of years old. my colleague. i say, let's go hunting. he says i can’t. i have a question to do there. i say, well, it’s easier for someone else. he says, well, you have such employees that we don’t have there, you don’t have such people , and he says, you’re lucky, i say, yes, yes, i’ll tell you how you need people. why doesn't it work? why is there no delegation right away? no, the people are sufficiently qualified and educated, and there are salaries for that, at least what i pay her.

there is also an understanding of whether you want it yourself or not. there is a certain timing for your life and enjoying how much you do micro-management in these three business companies, but no more than two days a week, and in terms of time a month two six months a year, and in general yes, but in the first company this is how it began and more you’ve probably been nine years old, that is, you’ve been micromanaging the flower company yourself for 9 years. yes , i like it man, where there are no 16 people. this is in flower digging. there are more than a thousand in total. but 16 is directly subordinate to micromagen, and in a partial case, yes, he present. let's do this if he is present in decision making or my passion. he is uh-huh well, that's a fact, but why deceive yourself? okay the other two. what is the absolute time? that is, if we are talking about the second type of activity there, there are about 20 employees there, probably of them

i spend one day a week, and then, i want to say that i shouldn’t have been there about the operating system, i just like it. i am such a person sometimes they tell me, you just did everything. everything takes you a lot. if you have less it will be better and i know, but not it's not fun. yes well that's good. that is, it means that the heart is still burning. the main thing is to say to myself and others that i am a happy person. now, i'm a happy person. i get high from what i do even when i do it. it’s wrong even when i have a breakdown, some kind of emotional background that makes people hang themselves. i even admit this often. i understand that the biggest harm is not what i do, but from the point of view of profit there in the company, perhaps this also happens from the point of view of the fact that i do not switch gears at work. and that's more i bring it to the house. here’s the biggest negative : the inability to delegate and leave operating systems, as a rule, for people who don’t

know how to switch from work to home, you know, no. and what do they say at home? oh, you’re on the phone, yes and lie around or like i have two little sons of heroes 6.4 years old. here. we understand that it is useless for a teacher to set an example. and when i saw both of them imitating me. they walked around the apartment with the phone, fired someone, so you didn’t understand. i'll be there right now. i understand, that it's time to change something. and you know, everyone has an opinion. here i am an entrepreneur, and even more so a serial entrepreneur. and that means i will be like this, what is my work. it’s me who opens the nightstand, and there’s money there. i take them there and spend as much as you want? well, in reality it’s still not like that, but in fact you invest yourself, i would say that business is entrepreneurship. it's not about money money. this is a side effect. this is the realization of yourself and your ideas. this is a fight with someone, first of all with yourself and most importantly yours, and

the opponent is the opponent of this site, because i always say competitor, he is in the mirror. your main competitor from the mirror does not tell you what you need to do so as not to burn out when he ceases to be in your competitor and becomes you. but you know, there is probably no magic pill here. there is a certain confluence of circumstances involved here. uh, let's say an action in a business process that you do and a certain one. is there a rule of luck or is it really about being in the right place at the right time and do everything right. how to do what should be? what time will it be? this is very clear. one smart person told me a good thing, that no matter what happens , you should always be able to create a comfort zone for yourself and your surroundings, and then it will not matter absolutely in what space the country of society is located, or the whole world, because the last 3 years and -a successful business. or let’s put it this way, i’ll say it even differently, the last 3 years have been a good background for a successful business.

these are completely different things, but nonetheless. many feel quite well, and some feel even better, because they simply stuck in this direction. that is, ah, the words that a crisis is a time of opportunity. these are not empty words, one hundred percent high. it’s much more difficult to develop in a growing market, where everyone will throw in the towel and get something done. and it definitely blooms. i agree that in a falling market, those who make money in a falling market are the very people i consider myself entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs, and definitely not a businessman. and we started talking slowly. yes, now i would like to return to the block issues related to your social activities. yes, and what do you do, uh, in the moscow business assembly and you are the authorized representative for the protection of the rights of entrepreneurs in moscow in trade. yes , this is one of your public burdens absolutely. that is, you don’t get anything for this money, and support for

small and medium-sized businesses in russia about which there are so many words in the media is a myth or reality. here you have never felt financially motivated. i will say this taxes, and you often know yourself an entrepreneur, if we are talking about smes, small and medium-sized businesses, he does not understand how to integrate into this system, how to interact with the entrepreneur. and in general, who is who? heat well, the government of the state is interaction with the state. yes, how to be friends with the state. you need to be able to do this. when i got into the system of mrs. mineeva and moscow tatyana vladimirovna, let’s explain for the audience. who is this? this is the authority from whom. well, initially there, if we are talking about moscow yes, but it leads from the beginning this is from the president, and so is this person, and his task is to be something. you know, as in scandinavian mythology birdies, in my opinion, this is called

the rainbow bridge between the worlds, that is, the government and entrepreneurs. these are absolutely two different worlds. even on another planet lives a native, yes, as it were, officials. these are officials and entrepreneurs. these are absolutely two different classes. yes two different races. we can say what the main difference is absolutely. they see events happening differently. they treat differently even i know people who are from businesses went to government service. you can be in the civil service, but not be an official. this is the state of being an official. that is, enter another environment and save your system. how do you feel and treat other people there? these are different things now. at least among my friends there is, but if we are talking about the majority, then, of course, it is difficult to communicate with people who, being entrepreneurs, find themselves in a bureaucratic environment. they changed that the worldview is absolute, that is, but we no longer hear each other. if i initially, i was glad that they were going into one

or another, so to speak, gr industry, and i understood that there would be a certain interest from business there. you saw how it all felt like sand through your fingers. i say, where did those words go? as they say, where did that petrovich go and he’s not there? now it is certainly easier after the pandemic, because we depend on each other. it’s possible to get a grand now. yes, really , right before my eyes, one of our vice-presidents 100 million grant for import substitution production, this is right now this is a week back. in general, twenty-third year. uh, this is the year. eh, let's put it this way. well, it’s just better than the twenty-second, there’s a terrible twentieth. but let’s say that after the twentieth and twenty- first, everything that’s happening now in the business environment is no longer so scary. that is, it is still truly the most terrible year. it was the twentieth, when everything dies. well this is a blow. well , let it hit the cheek, but very hard. although

i would like to say that it would absolutely be a lot. i even remember 2020 on march 28th. we are closing the entire network. i say, then for 17 regions. we closed. we just don’t understand how, how to close, there are 150-200 stores there, you are absolutely perishable up to a week and ultra perishable for 48 hours there are positions there like phalaenopsis or dendrobium there is an archive now about flowers perishable perishable group of goods the same applies to products, but they were not closed, that is, the flowers turned out to be the only perishable one closed and they were not yet recognized, that is, their flower activity was not recognized as a victim. well, that was also won here. the chamber of commerce and industry helped us a lot as a result, where i then also say, uh , support for small medium-sized businesses from a financial point of view. well, look, there are more than

200-250 million losses due to the pandemic during the first closure. this is my personal, but grant or what do you call it? this assistance from the state for one company amounted to 186,000 rubles. here. well, i really liked it, then the way out of the pandemic. and of course, where they could have made things worse, they didn’t make things worse. that is, in principle, today, communicating with the state is in step with it from the point of view from a business point of view, can this be my personal statement, not from the authorized side, but from the entrepreneurship side? this is a plus or a minus, that is, it is realistic for russian companies to occupy the niches of departed high-tech competitors who have been working for the departed for a long time. look. i am an importer of 95% of products, not only flowers, which i somehow sell on russian markets. i import from about 15 different countries, many of them are under sanctions. i want to tell you, so the closure of the country from the point

of view of communication of money inside storage. sorry about the money inside. that's good. but if you and i look at 2022, no less money left the country than in 2019 or 2018, these are statistics. therefore, if we are talking about the closedness of the market, then it seems to me that the basis is preserved. no, the money is inside our ball, that is, it should be spinning here even if the sanctions actually apply in terms of the import of goods. now they don’t work, then, of course, then we will lose many people who work, because the people who installed them don’t want them to work and there are bypass mechanisms, because there are entrepreneurs. excellent answer. yes, we will not add to this topic, because there are entrepreneurs, which is missing. now for entrepreneurs. yes, uh, because i very often hear right away that guys don’t need it. no support, the main thing is not to interfere. this is the weakening of regulatory policy, that

is, what is missing. now, so that everything can blossom, this is the most notorious import substitution with magnificent light and people are not afraid to open business purchasing. there is no a year or two. let's say 5-10 years there. listen, if we are talking about import substitution, then we will still talk to you about production, agriculture, and so on. yes, for this you need one simple thing - the cheapest possible loan, in which what is the rate? here you are, this is my professional question: two percent, real 2%. very large banks will not come for them later. in a year they won’t redraw it, or in two they will start to push back. your business, if there is access to cheap loans, then we are from some excuse me resource country. and now we , uh, well, are at the level, probably, of a resource colony that we have always been in recent years, in my opinion. from the point of view, well, i

define the russian federation within the economy based on some kind of world standards. this is a resource colony, so in order for us to get out of this resource needle now, it is still present gas oil what other smart words that cost money we know everything, we need cheap loans, cheap loans are needed for everyone for the brain to understand, it’s good to have money, what will calm you down entrepreneur in in terms of i mean psychology. yes, he tore out the heart, he is ready, his eyes are burning. they say he has brains and knows how to captivate. he knows how to captivate him , he likes it all, what should nourish him, in addition to cheap loans, emotionally, what should call him. uh, recognition from the government. first of all, for a long time entrepreneurs and businessmen were treated rather ambivalently, so to speak, the state brought up in the minds of people, and the general mass of people in our country that an entrepreneur is rogue. this is a thief. this was a machine, but not one who sacrifices his whole life for a common cause, and this is definitely the slogan on the building

of entrepreneurs. we support you or listen to the confession. uh, the first persons of the fact that without entrepreneurs. this country will not go far towards our country. our country is definitely true. yes, well noted by agreement. and that's right. that is. uh, in order for the heart to burn, you need to admit. a definite security fact, that is, when an entrepreneur does not want to invest in a long-term money not because he is not sure that he will not recoup something in 5 years. he is not sure that in 4 years it will be his or that for four years it will still function, that is, within certain limits. yes, there are certain components. he is confident in his business model and in himself, but there are only factors, not counting the global ones within our country, that can influence the fact that the business model will collapse and his health will collapse. the ability to operationally manage a business and whatever these things are. they still remain all moscow business

meeting. it was created, in principle, from people who want to develop in our country, who want their children to live here and develop, but for this we need a guarantee, in addition to our strong fists and confidence in our future. let's. i'll say so. here, to summarize everything that has been said. especially in the last part. uh, remember the absolutely wonderful soviet film we'll live until monday and remember how he wrote the main character, and he wrote one line in the essay about what happiness is: happiness is when you are understood, i agree, correctly i agree , happiness for an entrepreneur is when he is recognized and accepted in his native country. and in principle, this is enough and there is even cheap money there. this is already secondary. agree. ivan thank you very much. thank you for your frankness. and thank you, even for the fire with which i walked. right now in this interview, because it was clear that you are talking about painful issues. that is, these are not some routine cliches - these are not some

phrases taken from textbooks. this is your native self. thank you, it's worth a lot. thanks this there was a podcast called easy money, and i am its host , fur khanov. today we have a completely difficult topic, which we discussed as if we were running our own business, and our guest is serial entrepreneur ivan shades. hello, on-air news in the studio sergei tugushev leader of the dprk kim jong-un arrived from the khabarovsk territory to primorye, his train stopped at the artyom railway station , 45 km from vladivostok, on the platform the head of north korea was met by the minister of natural resources and environment of russia