you are already using them for someone else, and these are no longer equal people. and at the moment it's not like the group is a project in which people participate and you laugh and write a song together. i know you had a guitar in the middle of your two beds. and it’s like, whoever grabs it first is the one who will come up with the idea first. he grabbed it. well, first of all, this is a story about the guitar. she stood near the bags for the guitar. so this is his guitar. uh, when he wasn’t there, like when he wasn’t working on it, i took it and wrote it myself. i didn't learn to play on guitar. i learned to play the cordion, but unfortunately it all ended with a grade. what does it have to do with the fact that when you don’t understand what music is for? everything was created. you just play it out on a motorcycle and don’t understand why? yes, yes, it's about the same story. i realized that i had to understand music differently and now i understand that i did everything right, then it was not my thing. and now music is a monster. this is my instrument. in order to break through your tongue

- your inner desire, this one, you know, this one, it’s like some kind of heat. this heat is desire, and interests. there are doubts. there are hopes, all kinds. they live in you and music. it is a bridge as well as thoughts and texts. there it is a bridge, just like from the stage - you make certain movements. you have to somehow convey them to the viewer. these are all bridges, but there are real musicians, this is their path. yeah, i’m for it, if they understand it, if it’s happiness for them, i’m all for it, but i didn’t understand it then. for me this was not happiness, so it was impossible to exploit me, an unfortunate child. i received a count- it was the doors closed in the trolleybus and the trolleybuses were traveling and with it this music left, but something else arrived. which no longer left me indifferent to the class and only rock and roll, but the essence of rock and roll, especially in the punk direction is an opportunity. you don’t particularly know how to play, but you have the opportunity. you don't

really know how to sing, but you have the ability, the shadow. you don’t really know how to do anything else, but you have the opportunity, maybe in other musical directions this is not the case, so this is what i saw. oh this the possibility of what, but what i want to do, so we understood, uh, you, then you lacked awareness, maybe some kind of intellectual baggage. this is me today, and what you lack time for now you understand now, but then you didn’t understand. well , naturally, no one understands at the age of 20 that he has little time. i’m watching my son now and telling him all the time. let's think, think, i'm torpedoing, just press the gas pedal. look who you are. what are you like, although i studied myself. no, he’s no, he’s active, he’s filming everything. he's studying to be a director. we have in st. petersburg he wants to do something, does something, but still. you even played you in the tv series the king and the clown yes, yes, yes, he has something to do with everything that you have here, both technology and non-technology, and some other things. yes he has a relationship. it was easier for him to tell

his son’s contemporaries the same age. how to live a fulfilling life? what kind of life have you lived? well, the first rule of life, as a gift, should be selfless and most importantly. our task is to live happily, but we cannot live happily. without knowing your talent. to him you need to somehow see and rummage through hmm well, somehow find out where this tenderness lives in you. why are you happy, you see her second phrase says mine. so it won’t be all that sticks out of the water. this is a mega, important story, because we watch black and white all these colors all the time. but if we suddenly stop, and not just a little, give ourselves a pause and think. and if this is not so, if we alternatively, think, think and alternatives. from the point of view of music, and here is alternative thinking according to and this, and there is, and here's this try this and the third one was once asked by einstein uh. you're

a physicist. you don’t believe in god, and what he saw was very interesting precisely because i’m a physicist. i believe in god. that is, in order to say whether this is true or not, you need to live this experimental series yourself, let’s call it this way, i saw this, i understand this, that’s why i went through all the time, i need to smell it. here, well, find out , stick your nose in there, that is, again with my athletics. what story do you doubt this is one of those things that i say is not all it will be that from this is what is going on so he said, doubt it, because there is an opportunity to do it. e work on mistakes until the point. these are the main things i would pay attention to. well, yes, doubt doubt that you see the third tip. oh, by the way, doubt is a sign of an intelligent person, because only an idiot does not doubt what he sees in what he is told and in what he himself says. and we had an intelligent man, a real session of deep philosophies. here is the leader of the project, gorshenev

alexey gorshenev. it was very cool. lyosh do you remember what you dreamed of 20 years ago? and what happened? well, it was banal and that’s all. well, there are some halls there to gather so that people understand you, it’s, well, like everyone else, i guess i was going to where i am now, and i’m now remembering this is my last day at work, where i worked exactly in 2001. i discharged from my job. and what i wanted, probably, is that what i ’m doing now is to be independent, to understand that if you have the opportunity to do a big job, but it doesn’t carry the money and somehow simulate it from the other side. again, making money from music is an example, i ’m now working on this big form of faust and dante, i know that it’s not so profitable, and i know that this is all just philosophy. and this is my work. it is not fashionable, and it is not for everyone , but at the same time i am already using my experience of accumulated songs of all kinds, and now we are going on tour with them. and thus i am independent and

independent, which is what i wanted to go to. this is the first and, probably, the second. to get joy from this, which is what i also wanted, because i i kept thinking, damn it, what if we all move, uh, off this mountain and realize that this is all no longer interesting, tomorrow it won’t excite me. no, every day. i get up at 7:00 am at 8:00 am. well, i’m just sitting in my studio poking around and inventing, looking for and trying to get away from these blinders - what you were talking about is exactly what it is, just like when i stood at this job and thought, well, i’ll save it, if i’m like that or not, it's called 7-8 a.m. healthy lifestyle, what's going on? well, this is a man. well, we must not forget that i’m already 47, and 48 years old. and these are these brave, all these sayings of the pancreas does not die, and so on. i approach this with humor. yes, because i wasn’t involved in specific punk rock , you know, and my life was so strange. no, well

, in different ways, but this cannot be said that i know the fundamental plan, which one. treat this way no, i’m still probably more of a fundamental miracle funny philosopher. pink is a philosopher. well, whatever you want, listen to our cube make your wish come true. believe it or not, what do you dream about in 20 years? i dream of my own theater, let’s put it this way. this is what will happen in this theater. i would like for a person to know that he is going, that he will be interested there, to know in advance, but naturally, and then sitting, surprised that oh, this is it, so that every trip to this theater he will discover some... then new ones, i don’t know, but not horizon, this has already said too much, some windows into the world and understanding, so we will follow our dream and try to pay it off. it was true that heartfelt slavsky was in his coffins, spinning like a propeller and shouting, i believe. by the way, yes, i suggest the song vera by the kukryniksy group

so close to me and breathing and breathing, it seems that i can reach higher with my hand. it seems that everything has passed a long time ago; i survived. i survived , it seems that everything should not seem, but i hear. how to live when there are no longer

people in our hearts, to live after us? i want it now. only when you close the door, open a new one.

it seems to the soul of resentment that they are all already gone, broken. i spent this world unable to leave myself behind my dreams. there is power. true, this is me and i want to live beautifully. how to live when people are already in our hearts and want to be loved now. how to live when the word believe has already

perished forever, only he himself swam. hello, i'm pilot cosmonaut anton shkalerov, this is a space history podcast. today my guest is daria, the wonderful deputy general director of a private russian space company, a journalist. dasha hello, hello, anton nikolaevich, you graduated from the faculty of journalism and, as far as i understand,

had nothing to do with astronautics, but somehow miraculously you began to work in the space industry. tell me about your first contact with space. it seems to me that the key word here is miraculously, because i never planned and did not want to connect my life with cosmons . i didn’t think about it, i’ll explain, in general, why i didn’t want to say it, because uh, my dad has worked in the aviation field all his life. and my grandfather was a pilot, so i can say that, probably, i can say that there is one, but about an aviation dynasty. and naturally, when i graduated from school, the first thing my parents asked and didn’t do i want to try to enroll in mine, but something like the moscow aviation institute. yes, but there was something in me, apparently different. it seemed to me that i was a more humanitarian person, that i was a more creative person, and i decided to go to the faculty of journalism of the russian state university for the humanities, from which i graduated, probably

eight years after i graduated from the university. i miraculously ended up in the cosmonautics museum, but before we talk about the cosmonautics museum. i'll take a step back and tell you what's happening to me was, when i was 10-11 years old, because my first contact with space, if we talk about it, it happened exactly at that age; at that time i lived in hanoi in vietnam, dad. i worked there on duty. he was just meeting, uh, all the important guests who were flying into the city of hanoi and one day valentina vladimirovna tereshkova flew to hanoi , my dad told me that an astronaut was flying in. uh, the first woman. i already knew that. naturally, i really wanted to meet you, and i don’t remember my first feeling from our meeting, but i remember something else. i remember that she took a postcard then. a-and she signed it for me and gave it to me.

dad, i looked, and it was written there. all the best to daryushka. valentina vladimirovna tereshkova and i remember, then it gave birth to such an incredible wave of warmth in me, because many people came, many autographs were left, everyone wrote very different things. i was literally there a month before. another very famous person who wrote to me dasha, uh, always listen to my dad dishes i was upset. and here there was some very warm, very human attitude. this was my first contact with space, and then we very quickly move to 2014, when i was invited to the position of head of the press service at the moscow museum of cosmonautics. and if you know, then in the fourteenth year, a new director just came to the museum and they were recruiting a new team. and here we are with this new team. i, too, came to the museum and a completely different life began for me,

which i can now say is 10 years old. i work in space. here i have it. absolutely such a feeling, because i got this involvement in an absolutely incredible area , which energizes me so much that i can talk about it endlessly and thanks to what the museum gave me thanks to that experience, thanks to those acquaintances, thanks to those meetings, which i had in the museum. i am really. it seems to me that i have succeeded both in many ways as a person and in many ways as a professional in this field. what was the museum like? when did you come to work in 2014, the museum was very different from that museum? eh, how do we see him now with you and strongly? i was probably different, because like many people i had the feeling that a museum is something frozen, that nothing happens in a museum, that a museum is necessarily about some kind of exhibits. eh, behind which it is often not always clear what stands behind it. especially if it is a scientific and technical

museum, and therefore, of course, i had such an attitude in the museum. i still didn’t understand what to expect next. what to expect next from this places and quietly. my team and i started to develop all this, develop, develop one project , made a second project, made something here and improved it. something has been improved here and , looking ahead, i will say that in 2014, the attendance of the moscow museum of cosmonautics was more than 200 thousand people in the year before the pandemics. this attendance was almost 800,000 people. the museum was filled with life, the museum was constantly filled with some kind of activity, some kind of movement, and very different target audiences began to come to the museum. that is, this is the same too it’s important that not only the techies there, who live in this world, but also people who work in different professions and specialties as far away as possible from space, so that they also want

to come to the museum, so that they are inspired through all the stories that they can hear and so that they further, maybe, after leaving the museum, have already thought, and maybe somehow connect their lives with space or remember, i don’t know, some stories that their relatives told them about how... their life was already connected with space, that is, there was a task. well, the museum and they even had two first tasks - after a person went through the entire exhibition, so that he understood that he was full. this is what i’m proud of in general. that ’s because any exhibit that you look at is there. he you. eh, do you want it or not? he fills this with pride and joy, probably from belonging. and therefore the first thought is that every person, perhaps, was the first, like yuri alekseevich gagarin, was the first in space , regardless of what field you are in work or in some area you do something and a second thought. it is, of course, precisely

about the fact that space is an immense topic . space is a topic that is possible. of course, in which you can immerse yourself to explore and e cosmos give a theme with which each of us is connected, and speaking of exhibits, if there is some favorite museum exhibit, i think that any person who works or has worked in a museum will say that all the exhibits in the museum are his absolute favorites, but of course, i’ll probably say about several exhibits that made a big impression on me at the time. and the first exhibit is a cardiogram of yuri alekseevich gagarin , which was taken on the eve of the launch. why does this exhibit make such an impression on me? because when i looked at him for the first time, i studied him surrounded by people with medical education. and when they looked at this cardiogram, they told me, and you know, and surprisingly, the person is not worried at all. i say how can he not worry. tomorrow he will fly into space for the first time. and it's on me made a great impression. and i

decided for myself that these are all the astronauts and all the people who are probably dedicated to this topic in their lives. in some ways they are very similar to yuri alekseevich. i think that you are anton nikolaevich too. and probably, probably, they were a little worried, but on your cardiogram, probably this was not noticeable, and the second exhibit about which i would like to say is an exhibit that entered the museum already during my work at the museum. this is a letter from faina georgievna ranevskaya which was written on the death of yuli alekseevich gagarin in 1968, and the letter was faina georgievna raevskaya writing to tatyana a test from her friend’s journalist. why did it make such an impression on me? because i saw in this letter, and the reaction and pain, probably, of the population of not only the entire soviet union but also the entire world to the death of the first, uh, cosmonaut of the planet. i can even quote a few lines from there, because i

worked a lot with this letter. there are probably two such fragments that i can now reproduce, the first fragment sounds as follows, and faina georgievna ranevskaya writes. that day i played scenes from sosomov, and when i returned home i drank vodka alone . this has never happened to me. and it’s immediately clear how people perceived the death of the first cosmonaut and even further. she writes. she says why didn’t they tell gagarin that he now belonged to the world, and not to himself, and they allowed him to fly, and i am wearing this letter in special gloves next to special people from the funds. i held it in my hands. this, of course, makes a colossal impression. did you have the opportunity to visit, uh, various space objects? well, thanks to the fact that you work as a cosmonautics museum, of course, and the hello museum, for example, the museum generally opened the doors for me to this industry and to this

area, and several places, which i want to talk about, and the first one is probably what kind of energy, because the museum that is located in the quarry, which is the enterprise that makes our ships part of the station, they have their own museum. they have their own museum there. as far as i understand , the agreement is small, maybe even open. even now you just need to contact them and time. yes why did he make an impression on me? because there i saw the genuine ones, and the descent vehicles of both yuri alekseevich gagarin and alexey arkhipovich. leonova, if i’m mistaken in the intimate vladimirovich tereshkova that is, all the originals are there, then after many years. we have already done an exhibition at the cosmonautics museum. and uh, the descent module of yuri alekseevich gagarin was on display at the museum of cosmonautics for some time, then returned there, but this is really the place where i am too i felt some kind of involvement in space, if such an opportunity exists, and

i advise everyone to visit this place, especially if you have an interest in astronautics or a love for this topic. and one more place. this is mvp. the institute of medicine for biological problems is also a cosmic place. and i remember that there i first saw this special hmm, this is the chamber of the room, as the collegium would be called, where it took place. isolation experiment in the year sixty-eight it was called yes, it was called the year in the spaceship very interesting experiment. a very small room is a small experiment and the most interesting thing is that a film about this experiment can be found on the internet to watch a documentary film about how it was done. everything is based there, that is, it was very interesting to watch. do you remember the main results that were very shocking that people then did not communicate and so on from such a practical scientific point of view. let me remind you that there was also a romantic story, because the person who participated in this experiment. he's in some kind of

moment he realized that he had fallen in love with a girl who worked outside of this space. she worked. at the institute of medical and biological problems, and they, uh, there is a voice, otherwise there was no video, if i’m not mistaken, it was purely voice communication and correspondence. there was a correspondence there and well, you see how this moment also touched me and the film. i highly recommend watching this, because in general, to have an idea of ​​what an isolation experiment is, because at the institute of medical and biological problems these experiments are still being carried out a lot of. they had different simulated conditions during the flight to the moon and the flight to mars. we remember all the mars 500 experiment. yes, a year and a half in isolation, a year and a half in isolation. this is impossible to imagine. i just wanted to say that it’s hard for me to imagine how it’s possible and everything is much better there, we have and the whole crew is sociable, the crew

changes periodically and it’s interesting and every day hmm is different from the other, so i’m uh, very proud of my work. i have, of course, the most interesting job you can imagine imagine your favorite things. naturally, i can’t even imagine what i would do. and if i hadn’t gotten into cosmonautics, i ’m proud to know you and the cosmonauts and the fact that we also work in this industry, we continue to talk about the moscow cosmonautics museum, which was handed over to the wonderful one and i anton gorgeous. yes, it was possible to see off the crew and meet them. i know their traditions, uh, which is a museum. i went through them myself, yes , indeed, and already while working at the museum , we, together with the team, restored them. a tradition that existed before under sergei pavlovich korolev, and this tradition consists of the following crews that go to baikonur before, uh, launch into space , first before departure, but we understand that they

will very soon go to the international space station and the tradition is that before they will be leaving moscow, they definitely had to come to the territory of the memorial house, the museum of sergei pavlovich korolev, visit the house of sergei pavlovich korolev, sit on the bench, which is located in the garden next to this house. and most importantly, above this bench hanging on the tree is that same legendary horseshoe for good luck, which sergei pavlovich korolev found back in the yard and attached it there himself, and therefore i remember very well when you and the crew came to us and more than once. and by the way, well, maybe, of course, uh, massaging, i’ll take on such a mission. well, in my opinion, from our uh, in my opinion, the very third flight, it was we who resumed this tradition of drinking tea in the house, because indeed , uh, sergei pavlovich korolev, just on the eve of gagarin’s launch, came to the house where he

i was in the next house next door, and came to visit gagarin titov, they drank tea, it really went down in history and i am very glad that the museum supports this tradition with pleasure. we're coming. here are the crew skins. we were it, it was another such immersion in astronautics in history. that is, they saw some real things that sergei pavlovich korolev lived, visited his house, heard a lot of interesting things from your colleagues. and i know for sure. all this time they remember how such a good kind place hospitable, where you always want to return, but besides the traditions that are associated with the house of sergei pavlovich korolev, i also want to tell you. with an experience that i think i will remember for the rest of my life , once i was at the return of the crew from the international space station along with the search and rescue team. i went to the kazakh steppe. it was a long road. and we

spent the night in the steppe, and i remember, this is the morning. it was summer, and it was dawn and we were given vodka when it happened. uh, return of the crew. by the way, i can even say that this it was for the crew yes, and the commander of the ship was oleg kononenko, he flew with uh, the sanjak, and with anne mccain, and we met this crew, and the amazing thing was just something incredible. that is, it seems to me that the moment the rocket takes off. this is something that changes, uh, human perception. and here you are no longer just seeing off the cosmonauts. here you are meeting them. it seems to me that this is always more pleasant, and i remember, it seems to me literally. minute by minute, this is the morning, when we understand that when everything will happen, everyone has already had breakfast, everyone is literally ready. here, there are a few minutes left at home of the moment when

this black dot of the descent vehicle, which is returning from space, should appear in the absolutely transparent, uh, blue-blue sky. this is me when i tell this story. i always tell everyone what i allowed myself to do when i saw this point i allowed myself to do, which is unforgivable for a person who works in this industry. as i look at it, the sky was transparent and there was nothing. and at this moment i see this dot and say. listen, space really exists, everything exists. they're coming back. and it is amazing. this dot is getting bigger more more more at this moment there is absolutely such a very professional bustle on earth because everyone is going, going, going, all services are working. everything is very difficult. there are blue birds, these cars, and they are lined up . it’s all incredibly beautiful on the horizon. it is clear that people who are working at this moment. they don't pay attention to it that way. i still went there as a representative, or let’s say the press of a brigade of a brigade of journalists, and i also had the opportunity to reflect on this the topic is a special landing. people

approach the uh descent vehicle, there is a radiation check of 1/2, that is, everything is very clear. i'm surprised at how many services work simultaneously, i say, well- coordinated. this is probably the word that describes the process, and when opening the descent module, the astronauts appear. and at this moment it seems that some kind of miracle is happening. well, i’ll continue to tell you this as if you had never had anything to do with it or met anyone until at least at least, but i think that it’s there from the inside. this , of course, is perceived in an even more surprising way. well, from the outside it looks like this, but after 10 years of working in the museum. uh, there were such meetings that i remember most of all, i can’t single out just one person right away, because it would be incorrect in front of everyone else, uh, and the cosmonauts and employees of the rocket and space industry with

whom i had the opportunity to communicate, because every meeting something new was born in me and brought something, but i have to answer this question. and i’ll probably tell you about, uh, several of my meetings with alexei arkhipovich leonov , who came to the cosmonautics museum many times, who already perceived this place as a kind of house, there was absolutely a feeling that he felt there, probably in the best sense, like at home and me. alexey arkhipovich leonov, the first time we had a shoot, i remember that there were some foreign journalists and alexey arkhipovich, and already somewhere in the fifth or sixth hour of shooting. he continued , he was so energetic, he was already naturally aged, but he was very energetic; he was there giving some instructions to the film crew. we continued this shooting about 5-6 hours later, colleagues. uh, foreign journalists, they come up and say alexey arkhipovich. let's take a break and take a breather. we need lunch. you should exhale a little. it’s difficult for us, and here alexey arkhipovich

gathers and says, so i worked like this for 20 years without lunch. and you will not continue to film and we are approximately yes approximately 3 o'clock company is always 3 o'clock before uh, evening. they were still filming, indeed. there, it seems to me, they they didn’t even go out to drink water anymore, because that’s how they are, and i still, of course, remember the story of alexei arkhipovich. he loves leonov very much. tell in every detail about your spacewalk. uh, for those who don't know, you just don't spend it temporarily now. i would probably recommend watching the film time of the first, which tells the story in great detail. well , let me just remind you that alexey arkhipovich leonov had to return to the airlock chamber, as we remember, with his feet, and inside to the airlock chamber itself, in order to close himself, to close the hatch behind you, because it will close automatically.

yes, then no one had done it automatically, and he had to close it on his own, because no one could do it for him, we remember that due to the large number of emergency situations , many of which alexey arkhipovich managed, but he couldn’t managed with my feet. eh, when he went downstairs, he had to swim headfirst into the airlock. and when you swim headfirst into the airlock chamber and because the spacesuit is a very large spacesuit. this, by the way, is a technological duplicate of it located in the museum of cosmonautics. you can see it and see it. he looked like this also because he was very large and this backpack at the back was impossible to just take and turn around and eliksir arkhipovich. he releases the pressure in the suit, exposing his life, of course, to enormous risk, but at the same time he understands how much pressure can be reached in the grass. yes, he turns around, closes this hatch and continues. when he was telling this whole story, he then made such a theatrical pause and spoke. and you know, what’s most important, i realized at that moment, as if everything whoever was listening to him at that moment was taken away

trying to understand what i was telling you. i realized that you want to live smarter and spin around, brilliant daria, what projects are you proud of, all of which were, uh, the cosmonaut museum. during your work, one of the projects was called searching for unsent postcards. i'll tell his backstory. and then my colleague olya and i worked together in the press service and at some point it flew in to us. just on the wings of inspiration, an employee from the acquisition service and the acquisition backlog, which brings 16 postcards a-a with photograph of cosmonaut vladimir mikhailovich komarov and we see that on the back of these postcards the cosmonauts’ autograph is genuine and in his own handwriting, and it is written to whom the postcard is intended and where it should have been sent, but for some reason these postcards were not sent. what was interesting was that all of them were signed by the residents of ufa and my colleague and i. our perception still works a little differently, we

look at these postcards, and the same idea is born in our heads at the same time. why don’t we try, half a century later , to find the recipients of these unsent postcards and convey such greetings from the cosmic past. and we are starting this big car. these people simply cannot express how many emotions we experienced. but also looking ahead, i will say that we did not find only four people, that is, 12 out of 16 recipients of these postcards. we found moreover, and as part of this action, we held a very large exhibition at the moscow museum of cosmonautics, which was dedicated to vladimir mikhailovich komarov. we invited everyone we found, either the recipients or their relatives, if the recipients themselves were no longer alive, we invited them to the museum. we solemnly presented them with these postcards, and the government of bashkortostan went directly to the city of ufa when they found out about this, they

supported the search as much as possible for these people, and tv journalists also joined in this work and, as a result, and us the building of the aviation institute in the city of ufa where this meeting with vladimir mikhailovich komarov took place , a memorial plaque was installed. in and. all. so out of these sixteen postcards there was another project that i also really like. it is too. by the way, i will talk about half a century. it was a chess game that was played between earth and space 50 years later. uh, the first game was played in 1970, when the astronauts in the mission control center and the astronauts in orbit played chess. and we are the people who work to popularize this industry. we decided to repeat this game 50 years later, exactly half a century later, and this time the museum played astronautics and between