who are the immigrants sitting in paris, beggars, poor russian emigrants, pay, pay, they can only promise one thing. well , for example, give odessa to the french and give it to the british, and promise murmansk to the americans there. eh, vladivostok they were not national traitors. they understood perfectly well that this was a very cruel price, but there were two evils, one evil. the bolsheviks are another evil , territorial concessions, and in order to overthrow the bolsheviks we had to go and pay this price, not forever, and then we’ll come to an agreement. eh, we'll return it later, but here we go now the situation is hopeless and in order to turn the tide of russian history it is necessary to do this, and alexei tolstoy’s divergence with the russian emigration begins precisely at this moment when he hears these conversations, because he catches in them the familiar notes of the brest-litovsk peace of trading russian land for the sake of

his own political interests. it doesn’t matter how red or white bolshevik or anti-bolshevik the russian land is for alexei tolstoy - it is a shrine, it cannot be sold, it cannot be sold. it cannot be given away to anyone. and that’s when this very conflict begins, as a result of which he spat with russian migration and moved from paris to berlin why to berlin because uh, berlin and germany in which, as we know, means in 1918 after the defeat, and in the first world war the war had its own revolution and the kaiser was overthrown. and so germany became the first country that, precisely in 1921, when, in general, it became clear to everyone that soviet power had survived and strengthened, germany concluded first trade agreements and then diplomatic

relations with the soviet union and germany berlin became a city. i met both white and red russians, because entire areas of berlin were inhabited by migrants, and at the same time. uh, soviet writers, soviet writers. and yesenin mayakovsky andrei bely and many others they came to berlin and berlin became such a bridge between emigrations, it was there that alexey tolstoy went and it was there that he began to publish the famous newspaper on the eve, that means the newspaper on the eve. it was such a brilliant contraption that it was to conduct propaganda to influence the consciousness of russian emigrants. why was this important because, well, there you go. we now, for example, i can say about myself , perceive russian emigration. so, very romantic, very idealistic. here the russian sublimation created the greatest masterpieces

of literature, culture, science and technology - this is all true, but this is not the whole truth. and the first, especially the first years of immigration. they were painfully complex, when people with an excellent education could not find something to do when the countesses came. well, maybe not into prostitutes, but to the servants. uh, when officers had to become lackeys and waiters, all this we remember, there is bulgakov, for example, and in the play there is running. it was a difficult situation for them, and the soviet government had its own task, because , uh, the civil war, emigration drove out qualified personnel. knocked out a specialist , doctors and teachers , and the authorities were interested in getting them back. and so the newspaper the day before was just conceived by the kremlin, like a seemingly independent newspaper, but which showed the successes of achievement, at least

since there was no war on the territory of soviet russia, it had a literary supplement, which was headed by alexei tolstoy, and he himself saw the task of publishing those writers who were in exile in paris or somewhere else and those who were in soviet russia that is, he really is. i wanted to unite them. in general, it was always characteristic of him to unite, try on, and the most different sides, and now, when he begins to publish this newspaper, then at that moment immigration rebelled against him, everyone was not fools. everyone understood perfectly well that they were against it. and what he was aiming for was clear to everyone, that he was, as it were , corrupting the russian emigration, and other people could follow his path, and therefore precisely immigrants. he was told they were the ones who said no. it was they who banned other emigrant writers. well, there was their own union of sublime writers, so to speak . it was they who said, whoever is published in this newspaper will be damned, and therefore in the end. in general , nothing really came of this project. but why else is this very important, why do i still

i remember the time of bunin, because , in fact , a very important ideological dispute began between alexei tolstoy and ivan alexei, which has to do with the history of russia. alexey tolstoy explained his position very simply, there was a civil war, my sympathies were. in the country of whites, but the reds won, this is the choice of my people, the right choice. this is the wrong choice. not my decision. i am russian person. i do not want and will not live in exile, and i am returning to my country, to which we are all guilty that we plunged her into the abyss of this russian troubles and i call on you, brothers and sisters, to return with me and to cry out for this storm-worn, wrecked russian ship, and it is very curious here that when this was published in this same newspaper the day before in the news newspaper reprinted in moscow.

so, when i wrote such a manifesto letter, it was published at that moment, and merezhkovsky will receive a scholarship from the french government, so that god forbid they do not return, so that god forbid they do not follow the path of alexei tolstoy they would i i think, however, without this degree. and they would not have followed anywhere, because bunin, of course , was an absolutely convinced enemy of what was happening in soviet russia, and here is the dispute between bunin and tolstoy. he is really very important. bunin will subsequently write such a brilliant article, which is called the mission of russian emigration, and in this article bunin will actually express his definition. what is the meaning of what happened in russia? and this meaning, according to bunin, is that russia no longer exists. this is the formation that arose in this territory. this is not russia for bunin to say the last straw was the renaming of petrograd, leningrad. but, as

bunin wrote in this article, it was possible to endure batu khan batu’s tatar-mongol invasion , but you cannot accept lenin and therefore there is no more russia. soviet russia is so full of morons. this is one that cannot exist if soviet russia is not russia, but real russia is either in exile. and as if the spirit of this real russia is preserved by russian emigrants, or like the city of kitezh it sank on one is somewhere in a deep field, and therefore we will not accept either the soviet calendar or soviet spelling. i’m not talking, of course, about soviet ideas, as for alexei tolstoy , this bunin thought sounds strange to him: russia no longer exists, that is, there is no longer where it goes, but the people who live there, who speak russian . and these russians are russian heaven, russian land. russian faces. the children who are born there are who and this dispute is what.

how to relate to russia. what does he consider his homeland? it really is such an important debate, in the end, alexei tolstoy decides to return to his homeland. i repeat quite a bit, without idealizing what is happening there, but i believe that it is the duty of a russian person to live in his native country. here he is returning. e emigration to the soviet union is perceived as a betrayal. and they say that he sold out to the bolsheviks. in fact. this is all nonsense. he returned to soviet russia as if he were entering a cage with a tiger, because who was he in the eyes of the bolsheviks? in the eyes of the bolsheviks, he was, which means the former count aristocrat killed guardsman who yes, changed his beliefs, but who believes people who change their beliefs and what’s more, everyone probably knows about the philosophical steamship that in 1922 took out of petrograd

a group of prominent russian philosophers and public figures who did not agree with what was happening while in their home country. what is less known is that this ship made a year, after the return voyage. well, maybe not exactly this passage. in any case, there was a passage that returned the people to their homeland and those people who thought approximately the same as alexei tolstoy, yes, that is, those who believed that their country should live so that it would not happen. all these people were shot. not immediately on the shore. no , they just took note. stalin really didn’t trust the defectors and tolstoy was the only one who survived, but let’s finish. i would like to be a little different, but in emigration, in addition to childhood, nikita alexey tolstoy wrote a book, which of course everyone knows, which was filmed more than once. the novel helped. this means that the novel in circulation helped

has two editions, namely the first part, which is now called sisters. but initially it was called walking helped, which means there was an emigrant part that was published in berlin and there was a part that was later republished, and in the soviet union and bunin , by the way, wrote that tolstoy is so cunning, and such a trickster is a device. he changed it to suit the reality. this is not how we will do it. i just haven’t compared these two editions; there are differences between them, including ideological differences, but they are not so great and they do not change. well, as if the heads of thought, which is in this book, and the main idea in this book is that she was not for the reds and not for the whites. she was outside russia , there is a very important scene at the end of the first part there, if you remember, two in general this book is remarkable because there are a lot of good characters. and so, if you remember, it means at the end of the first part, telegin and roshchin are arguing about russia, the action. it just happened in

1917, shortly after the october revolution, and roshchin was terrified that the country was dying. they simply die, because the army is fleeing, because everything has been betrayed, everything has been sold, because there is nothing left of russia and telegin objects to him in this dispute. telegin removes the historian klyuchevsky from the shelf, he says that the russian land was devastated. he sat in the kremlin, which means he was on the throne after all these impostors. yes, remember the wrestler godunov there grishka from the rap, and so on. the poles simply sat in the kremlin openly. yes, and it seemed that there would be nothing more from russia, but then the russian people began to collect russian land and brought a new king, who was there the boy was afraid, he was trembling, but nevertheless they gathered a militia, drove out the poles, defeated some thieving bathhouse gangs , who, uh, walked around moscow, borrowed money, began to raise them, took care of vera, as he writes, that they understood that vera was the most important and grandchildren. these people, these grandchildren

were already swedes, and then they founded st. petersburg, and then russia became a great empire. and a. telegin tells roshchin that the district will remain from us and russian land will come from there. and this incredible faith in russia this is incredible confidence that russia cannot be destroyed, that russia cannot be killed, that russia cannot be destroyed by this wonderful alexei tolstoy this does not negate the fact that he was a cynic, that he was a scoundrel, that he never forgot about himself, his family , his privileges, that he had to treat nothing? this doesn't cancel it. well, he really was a very complex person. this was, uh, podcast alexei tolstoy and uh, with you was the writer and rector of the literary institute alexei varla. thank you

hello, i'm larisa guzeeva, this is a podcast letter. i have a distinguished guest today artist and artistic director of the theater of growth in tsaritsino nonna grishaeva hello, are you still on time? i'm catastrophically out of time. well , now i’m graduating students. i had a course. now it will become a little easier, but no, you won’t give up anything at the cinema. i refused there was a period when i was invited to head the theater, and i took a break to think about what i could give up in order to do only theater and there was a period when i didn’t act. i

needed to focus all my energy on theater, and then, when the theater was already on the rails, we began to take off. i returned again and began acting in films and television. you know, i think about everything all the time, except for lyudmila kurchenko and you first. you say it’s like an actress , as if you were born artists, and here are two like that, maybe that’s why i’m playing her, that’s why it’s because you’re bursting like this and couldn’t live any other way. you can live without your profession. no. no, this is my air , especially the theater, which i cannot live without. and when i realized that you can’t, and i’ve been since childhood on the stage. yes, i know, and tell me about the first time when you and your mother left the clinic, in my opinion, the date was given. yes, i was 5 years old, and uh, we left the clinic. it was the royal near the opera house.

dima kharatyan was filmed there in the film “photo on the wall”. and i immediately heard music , grabbed my skirt, and began to dance in circles. she immediately ran up to her mother. if you help, he says, i can have your girl in the frame. this is my first embarrassment, and you are right at that moment. remember , yes, i remember. yes i remember, and i remember, i'm from 6-7 for years now i’ve been organizing solo concerts for my relatives, writing programs for the first number of the song , such a bass, did you enter the geographical school correctly? eh, i entered a ballet school at the age of 7, and a music school, and then a theater bloody studio, where at the age of 10 i played my first leading role as a professional. tell the stage of the odessa opera theater, but your parents blasphemed you, or it’s you, or you’re in defiance of everyone, but you still went and signed up for these circles yourself. this means that this often happens most often, no, but the parents immediately realized that there was a degenerate in the family and, uh, they became these are my abilities to develop. that’s why

mom sent me there and there, and there and they didn’t say this banality. first get the profession of a doctor, and then fool around as much as you want. i don't know what's wrong with you. mom even went to moscow when i was admitted ; i was such a homely girl. well, how was it possible to let me go alone in the nineties and actually acted like we all did, i came everywhere and when i went to the shopino school. i said mom i will study here mom said yeah yeah yeah. i'm mom i’m telling you, i feel it, i’ll study here, but who did you sleep with? i entered albert grigor, uga chuburov and then it turned out that vladimir vladimirovich ivanov was my classmate on the course. masha aronova anya dubrovskaya teacher. and even though you immediately entered shchukinskoe, my mother did not leave me. why, because she came to the hostel

and saw that grandpa was at home, yes, and said, no no, you won’t stay here. i say, like my mother , no, she took me back to odessa, i entered the vocal department of the odessa state university. i studied there for a year and my mother spent the whole year, so are you ruining my fate? i can't. i want to go to moscow, i want to rent some kind of apartment from my grandmother, so she can look at the money with you. we lived very modestly, but still studied in odessa this year. yes, you know, yes, and i passed the exam in vocal and acting, my mother called the director of the music school and asked what your girl is doing with us. take the documents, take the child to moscow. and i came for the second time . my teacher, professor valentina petrovna nikolaenko, saw me and told me. , my bird has flown from odessa. where are you going? disappeared, then that year, imagine, she remembered me, 300 people in place. and my

mother took it away from me. she says, give me the documents immediately for the third round, and yet i stayed in the same hostel. yes, but what to do? and after college all the theaters wanted you? well, just everything. not all, but three, uh, wonderful theaters and lenkom took me to the vakhtangov satirics and i chose, of course, my native vakhtangov. it seemed to me that they knew me there, there was no need to prove it. eh, oh, no, i had to prove it and how else how many years? it seemed to me that everyone from yuri was carrying me in my arms yakovlev to lanovoy this all happened much later. i played for many years, only small roles, tiny little ones. yes, yes, yes, for many years, and i even thought about leaving for another theater, because here they won’t give me anything anyway, but in the end , uh, when i managed to break through and prove, this is a very long time way, three

programs are not enough, but still, i am incredibly grateful to vakhtangovsky for the fact that my partners with whom i played love were yuri vasilyevich yakovlev vasya semenovich this there was absolute happiness. these are people who, despite their status, their stardom. yes, they were absolutely amazing partners. firstly, they are men, and you are a pretty young girl who suddenly fell into their tentacle. why not love you? you know, uh, i once had a funny story with yuri vasilyevich connected in the play the three ages of casanova where i played him, and the last beloved francesca vesta in poetry. and they warned me when they brought me in, my husband’s performance went on for a long time and they brought me in. to me they said yuri vasilyevich sometimes forgets the text and thoughts, what is suggested? that is, you

must learn both yours and his, as i sometimes suggested. well, once i failed to do it. he missed one word and uh, hmm, it’s all wrong, it’s not for me, the meaning has changed. these are tsvetaeva’s poems, you know? listen to the fairy tale, once upon a time there were two people, and in his most beautiful way , i tell her, brother and sister. he says, i say, that means you and me, and yuri vasilyevich forgets one more beautiful word and the meaning completely changes. he says, listen to the story once upon a time there were two people, she was his, and he was hers, and he looked at me. what can i play in poetry? i say brother and sister. he says, well, i say , it means you and i, and i bury him in the knee that we are both split like garbage. everyone, when we were injecting drugs, they didn’t notice it in the hall. they don't hear. they do not understand. it seems to them that this is how it should be, either

because they are always attentive. not always, because i had another opportunity to save semyonovich. he just completely knocked me down, and he himself always told this story, and i played in the play frederick or crime boulevard. it was for his anniversary that he played the great french artist frederic maitre , i am his mistress, a young artist, a beauty, to me in poetry. i come and say, good evening. i came for my evening kiss. he says, good evening, my joy. good evening, my sweetness. today we were having fun, spreading our wings on the boulevards , showing off our legs, coming out of this is me, i say, yes, yes, 18th century france and suddenly vasily semyonovich is at my performance it turns out we were having fun today , spreading our wings on the boulevards , showing off our legs as we got off the trolleybus. 18th century france, getting off the trolleybus, suddenly both himself and himself, of course, split up with lanova and if a friend yes, so that suddenly, who doesn’t know this oh

, well, they heard it in the hall. these, of course, are those who are on the ground, they will definitely hear there on the balcony, maybe the sound does not reach, but the meaning does not reach here. that's what oh well, the trolleybus is conditional. you don't give it here. yes, you understand 18th century france? oh well, what if it’s semyonovich at all? this is a separate story, i was incredibly lucky once, and valentinosefovich loved my work very much. so, he even signed a book for me, and he invited me to st. petersburg to receive an award. he wanted to give me the figaro prize and uh, we went with vova simonov uh wonderful. seryozha makovetsky i was on the train, imagine the performance, we were traveling on the train in the next compartment. eh, valentin iosifovich woof and vasily semyonovich lanovoy and

they invited vova and me into their compartment and until 5:00 in the morning larisa we were present there is such modern word battle during the battle of these two great artists, they read poetry in turns. and volodya and i. so everyone, uh, valentinovich basically knows how uh hmm the man who wrote the epigrams. yes. yes, i don’t know, we communicated very well with him, but i didn’t write an epigram about you. no, well, he said these words to me every time we met, that wings grew on me. just growing up in crimea, i wanted to do something even more. and what amazing things he wrote, not epigrams, but simply dedication to the artists. about,

long-suffering faina, dear slammed piano, there are exactly half of the sad notes in it , how many were not played, and it’s a pity that he walked , i want to tell you about our brother and sister. and so, in general, you know that a lot is attributed. yes? yes, we were sitting with him at this award, seryozha bezrukov came on stage, and he leaned into my ear and said that the epigram was attributed to me. i didn't write it. i love him very much. it seems to me that he fell in love in the process, for example, actors, and he refused a lot. well, i just said that it wasn’t me. this is also very boyish. i am eternally grateful to the vakhtangov theater for providing me with such an amazing opportunity to communicate and work with the greats. when i arrived, i had a moron about the novel grigorievich viktyuk. and i

don’t know you about the performances anymore, dear partners. and makovetsky fimo shifrin e, lyudmila vasilyevna maksakova i remember that i then plucked up the impudence and asked roman grigorievich what kind of romance you line up your bows so carefully. these are just separate performances. that's why why this is what he answered me, i remember for the rest of my life. he said he gave three hours and energy to bows, taking away the truth. an exchange of energy took place. i remind you of this podcast of letters, and my guest is nonna grishaeva, you are wonderful. when you eat, you move professionally. you are a dramatic actress, and you are a showgirl, and you are funny. you can be funny and at the same time you are beautiful, because, well, rarely does a beautiful woman allow herself such luxury. well, yes, be funny, be

ridiculous, and so on. this was shown by all your uh wonderful breeds on channel one. i i think that your most wonderful parodies are lyudmila mark nurchenko. you somehow felt it and understood it. you have very similar natures, acting, very similar. i’ve never done a rock like this on him, i think i saw it, no, it was e in the program one on one, probably, one was exactly one on one, but the number is short , a serious number for me breed, and now you ’re playing this specially based on her. eh, that's according to her two. applause and lucy stop such a performance, this is my favorite little work, like how the colonel took me away the cordon she broke through and gave away. but there were no big roles, but there were no such main signs, and only then later

did the beloved women and the station for two appear. and now let's go. let's go to work again. fate brought you a great deal. no, no one time. she uh, this is where our performance begins. i'm talking about just one time. she walked by, uh, backstage. it’s because i’ve idolized her all my life. i got stuck in a wall like that, and i couldn’t approach it, i was afraid. i have never spoken television. now i’ll say lyudmila markovna starred in a cruel romance. uh, the film was based on ostrovsky’s work and she played an actress from melskaya and ildar aleksandrovich cut out her entire line. so they fit in and i sat there doing my makeup. i was all young and i was scared, but when i was away from everyone and suddenly such a star, she said, as you say,

that the surname is guzeev, change the surname all your life you will, well, act in an uzbek film, then she tells the make-up artist. we told him, there’s not enough russianness in this girl, remove her eyebrows. i had no right voices and i have never talked about this in any interview anywhere. uh, and my make-up artist took hydroperite and repainted my eyebrows black sable, and , for example, the frames are red. ah, well, i can see straight away, then they grew back. mine were getting dark. and hmm, they removed my eyebrows and made them red , and she also said, look, i’m thin, and i have round cheeks. and i had sunken western actresses pull out my teeth, and she said for the suit, i swear. lyudmila mark, are you looking at me now? don't be offended. it's true i say, and i couldn’t say to me then, as the make-up artists did today. what are you doing? myself? why and instead of emphasizing

the chips, they made me white then it was difficult to spoil me, but that’s all they did. yes, you understand, and i was afraid of her. i was very afraid of her. so what i want to say is that our sister is mixed up. i wouldn't deify anyone. but here are such bright characters. uh, these are such bright people who, uh, go through their fate. of course, they toughen you up a lot and they shape you, and they’re more interesting to play with. naturally. well, who would you play? i take vasilyeva, wonderful with dimples, who got to everyone interesting to play fate, of course, lyudmila markovna for me has always been e with such a reference point in the profession. it seemed to me that if she was already 30 and could do it, nothing else existed. just nothing but a dusty pavilion. but i didn’t need anything, neither husbands nor children, and in words you say, you know

, i don’t need anything except the stuffy pavilion of the engine combat team and a wonderful state of bliss when it turns out like you do you think it’s worth it? well, put it here. on the altar artificially. no, it means you don’t have that much in common, and i draw conclusions, and that’s why a family has begun for me. hmm priority. yes, because i am very glad to understand that life is primary, art is secondary. when i remembered people like paulo, i have time, but the truth is that genius, it wasn’t so hard to leave. and they had such a complicated and personal life. they sacrificed so much, especially women, who sacrifice children and don’t give birth and so on, but still come, old age, loneliness still comes and these roles no longer exist, and our roles end very early, because every

day people come and swim. eh, new nones are jumping up and down. greshai. you understand some, we educate ourselves. that’s why i also absolutely agree with you? that is why i try to spend as much time as possible with my family. well, you’ve already managed to do so much today, so if you don’t act again, you’ll never get a course, you won’t go anywhere. you're already uh. look how much i managed. it seems to me that i still have so much ahead, tell me about my plans. but uh, you think your personal life is happy, yes. but tell me, why didn’t this first trial marriage fall apart, huh? through the fault of your husband, you did not ask for success; you were colleagues. we were colleagues. no, well, i just don’t want to talk about it. i fought honestly, but

i couldn't win. illness, then you had a second man for quite a long time. yes, your love and your best friend, who doesn’t speak at all. now i’ve completely forgiven everyone, that’s all fine. it’s easy to forgive, no, it’s not easy, but i ’m working on myself. i know that insults are evil. and this is very bad for your soul, first of all, from insults and all sorts of illnesses, so i work on it and try to forgive. and when i really forgive, i immediately feel such relief for a certain time. i just said, that’s enough. and i already have it. well, it's just not that last straw. i've already had it all poured out. and at

a certain age i stopped taking a blow completely, that is, there was no skin left, no i can't take the blow. no, i'm just dying. yes, yes, and i learned. it’s just that when it’s approaching , i’m just starting to feel the intuition of an animal. i just understand that this is where i will suffer. moreover, it’s scary. this is where i get hurt. and here i will die and i’m right here, you know, i’m saying, no, no, no, no, he’s telling me, you’re mistaken, larochka no, we ’ll blaspheme you, cherish you, and you’re just and i know for sure that you’ve been deceived and i’m telling you straight out , thank you. i can’t do it anymore, that is, if i was there at 30 years old, i would run away and think nothing, i’ll still be afraid of this house now this the limit is over. it’s good that intuition works very strongly. and i always know, i feel, i have already learned to listen to her, they forgot some stories when intuition helped, when they told you, but find it, but she will do it, and you didn’t do what you heard yourself and still do. do you remember and

have never regretted it? i’ll tell you a lot of stories like this. a no , basically, the theater and i, when i left the vakhtangov theater when i was very seriously offended, i left. and only then a few years later. i understood why the lord sent these tests. if i had not left, i would not have been offered to head the theater. i would have sat there and continued, in the theater they said you must be going crazy. who leaves such a theater, right? tell me, in a family, you have two children. eh, how do you raise? yeah, that's the main thing?