that’s when they say that the lpr has joined us. it seems to me that this film shows it live. for some reason we joined them, because they were waiting for us from 14 to 22, and in general, many people paid for this life and health, and then they had full mobilization, unlike our partial and also huge number of people died, including those whom we see in this film died, of course , russians from other constituent entities of the russian federation. but it was the lpr and dpr that suffered as a percentage of the male population most of all, and this, of course, also creates a certain feeling. here is the lump, of course, ruslan, you are absolutely right and not only in essence, but also chronologically and legally - russia joined the dpr and lpr because and we launched a special military operation, taking upon ourselves the obligations to protect these republics in accordance with after recognition their independence therefore. indeed, indeed, it is not

so much they who joined them as we who joined them. and now we have the opportunity to show the same heroism, which they have been showing since 2014, dmitry completely agrees with you, while you were filming this film. yes, i really want to emphasize once again how dynamic this film is. you yourself have repeatedly come under fire, and this was due to the massive use of firewood. let's look at a very short excerpt that illustrates this. the enemy also overgrown with drones; work on the front line had to learn modern skills for surviving under fire. for both infantrymen and journalists , the first time you come under fire for the work of enemy guns for adjustment, drone. of course you're scared. we'll stay there for now. are you lost, don't know where to run? because you understand that

your every step is now visible from the air , and you try. then just don't panic and rely entirely on the military microphone. take the microphone, let's go, let's go, cover, brother, let's go okay. the first rule was hearing the exit of a projectile and cover during battles. in severodonetsk we only have time to jump up and step on the entrance, which is pierced by fragments under our feet. oh, there were civilians in the house, dmitry, a war correspondent, actually at the beginning of the conflict in 2014, and now we see what is really happening on the battlefield. and you are there from the inside. have your feelings changed compared to 2014? in general, how do you feel? when you

realize that you are simply in the palm of your hand and they are purposefully shooting at you like a journalist. but colossal changes, of course, not only since 2014. here we have a rotation of war correspondents on channel one, well, about two in two months and every time we come. i 'm surprised how much everything changes, including, uh, in terms of risks. for example, this military trip. i started in august and have already finished the film. when, uh , actually, being here, uh, and uh, i remember that we used those shots in the film. yes, when we were under fire in crimea, i already looked at them differently, because today a new risk is a huge number of kamikaze drones that are located and we need to get away from them. we go every day every day. we we are driving along a road that is simply swarming with squadrons of such enemy kamikaze drones. and here too it is necessary. eh, there is that too. in general , the secrets that the hedgehog, uh came,

name is alexander, by the way, uh taught how to get away from them and well, how does he feel? this film was called a man's work. uh, who always absorbs this concept a lot, of course, and uh, one of the main , uh, features of men’s work is to concentrate on their work as much as possible , like military men in battle. they try to fight fear, they understand that they, uh, perform this action first. there, i don’t know , they will reach this position, they will go further to this house. so we understand, we have to get here and remove it later. well, accordingly, we decided on some further plan of action. well, actually. this is how you concentrate on this and try to work every day. so now i want to turn to alexander with the posey hedgehog . thank you very much. eh, dmitry, what did you introduce? eh, alexandra, because it’s really kind of awkward to address, and the call sign is a hedgehog. and alexander it seems to me that your personal history is an illustration of the changing nature

of warfare. you started out as a sniper and now you are a commander in charge of the use of unmanned aerial vehicles. again, i am not a professional military man by any means, but i thought that this was before the era. e dronov and the nietzsche and middle-level commanders had no idea what was happening around them; they received orders from their immediate commander. they went to carry it out, not understanding what was happening around them. i understand correctly that now the situation is fundamental, different and not let's just say that senior commanders, but also middle and low-level commanders have a complete understanding of what is happening on the battlefield. what are their neighbors doing, from the right to the left are representatives of other genera and species, and the armed forces infantry understands what the artillery is doing, the tanks understand what the infantry is doing and that’s it. this is coordinated by you and

of course, am i right in this and and secondly, here ’s alexander for you personally with the advent of the mass with the massive use of blpa, the battle became harder easier or it just became different, here’s a look from the inside. i did not take part in hostilities before this conflict, so i cannot judge, but before we just, uh, observed that there are wine glues. uh, scout pipes. so we observed with our eyes there all the means that we had, everyone used, but what you listed. eh, this is what we are striving for, so that everyone knows about everything that is happening on the battlefield. this is what we are striving for. uh, the limits of perfection. no, well, and judging by what is said in the film, in fact, the requirements for fighters are increasing,

because they are seen, they need to be different, they need to move differently, they need to fight differently. yes, if they do not fight professionally, they will instantly become a vulnerable target, and i understand correctly that it is you who, as it were, coordinate their actions on the air. i went right, left, forward, back, stopped, and so on. yes, but this is not on an ongoing basis , this is when infantry storms, when you need to storm an enemy position, but a cop. damn, even here you need to say everything clearly, where to throw a grenade, where to turn where to look, where to shoot, and when hmm a large number of troops advance , everything becomes completely different. it’s clear that you need to control every combat vehicle and every infantryman in every squad in a platoon. this is very important,

it seems to me, because it is the coordination of military operations that largely determines. eh, success. i would add to this that, of course, the artillery has completely changed here on the battlefield due to the different use of artillery. now she's uh, paired with vppla. here are the spotters. fire. secondly, it is possible firing of tanks in the mounted category without visual contact with the target, because the over-correction of tank fire, which turns into a kind of hybrid of a self-propelled gun and a tank, is possible from cover and actually behind an obstacle. this is a completely different fight than the one that was fought before and lethality. the fire from this only increased before approximately what was required was up to 15,000, and the ammunition of bullets in order, in principle, to eliminate one target, and i say, i give the data here klintsevich. this is official data. here is afghanistan underlined by the great domestic one and a half thousand remote control for one killed. now much less due to the fact that in the first place. to adjust the fire, plus

drones, but there’s a problem. i think alexander knows, and by heart, what a baba yaga drone is, and this is a terrible thing , so to speak, converted, if the agricultural unit is capable of eliminating a unit of 12-15 people, in one move at a time, then on the one hand the war is much more difficult on the other side . she became, more precisely, more deadly. well, we 'll talk more. really about change the nature of the fighting. a-a in the second part of the program. and now i would like to return to ren georgievich. so, uh, we really saw in this film a new quality, uh, of war reporting. here is a war shown differently georgievich, you are a well-known, honored kicker. director, great director and general director of mosfilm. and this, of course, is not a feature film, but it shows like a feature film. that's what you can say about this film from the director's point of view, but just the specifics of this the film is precisely that it is not a play and

actually. well, this is really turning into some kind of independent new genre, so strictly speaking, here is my professional knowledge. they are absolutely not enough to somehow evaluate the work of the masters who do this, because this really has not happened before. this is current technology. i understand, of course, microscopic cameras, now there are all kinds of small cameras that can be installed in places that absolutely there inside there, i don’t know how it is , everything can be done, as they say automatically. that is, you can achieve, of course, maximum overall immersion in combat operations, which was completely impossible before, and i must say, guys, and here in particular. eh, dmitry kulkov of course, shine on this. it must be said that in general, during a special military

operation, a whole pleiades of generally wonderful ones appeared. e. i don't even know what to call them. this is no longer just journalism. well , yes, it can rather be called anyway classical, but documentary cinema, which is absolutely its own genre, incredibly immerses us inside the events, there is one thing missing here that cannot be, of course, in this current one. but that we, having imagination, must remember in order to appreciate the feat of these people, as they say, and the thought that every minute you may not be there and we must understand that when they did this , all this was around them. yes, they don't show it. it is clear that these are things that, in general, seem to be of a wide audience, and

no need to show it. and by the way, this is what maybe a feature film should show, because in a feature film. still, the artists portray, we understand , that’s why it’s different there, but we must understand that when we look at such pictures, what’s behind it all, it’s all there behind the scenes, but it’s nearby. it's next to the camera. we don’t know to what extent, but we can assume that they all experienced this horror and nightmare of the bloody war when they made this picture. this just inspires great respect, and as they say, admiration for their work. well, just as i am not a professional military man, i am by no means a professional director ; my perception is absolutely the same. so, when i watched this film, i had the feeling that i was periodically watching a feature film, that i was watching an action movie as much as it was deep immersion and so

truly. but at the same time, the vast one was shown to us in a panoramic manner. in the battlefield, due to the combination of a camera mounted on a tank and a camera from an unmanned aerial vehicle, but with this makes you understand that this is not a movie, that alexander with the call sign hedgehog is not an artist. and this is a hero who sheds blood, who takes part directly in hostilities . and in fact, that’s why i said that dmitry kulko is also a hero, because he is with them in the thick of events, and he , like the soldiers who fight on the fronts , was under bullets under fire . he was on the tablets of the military personnel who saw him. and they shot at him, so thank you very much for this heroism. now a little advertising, then we’ll come back and talk about the changes in the nature of the battlefield. martha, i

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national project, small and medium enterprises our body support yours. there is a big game on the air and we continue to discuss the heroic film of dmitry kulko . a man’s work and one of the main merits of this film. one of the main elements of the greatness of the significance of this film. this is that it very clearly shows the new nature of war, which is associated with the massive use of unmanned aerial vehicles. here again, look, unprofessional points of view. we are now witnessing a new stage military-technical revolution, the previous stage was associated with the introduction of high-precision weapons. yes, remember the first gulf war and so on and so forth. now we are seeing a new one. this is ruslan do you agree with this and how do you assess the impact of the massive spread of the use of drones both as a means of reconnaissance and as a means of attack on the course of

hostilities. you know, the use of unmanned aerial vehicles has truly revolutionized the battlefield, and not even unmanned aerial vehicles devices that were created, uh, specifically for the military, commissioned by the military, and they were often very expensive. and when there's a whole series of action films. we are military personnel, by the way, the first were isis fighters, we thought of taking it. eh, a wedding photographer's drone, hang a grenade under it, and then drop it on the iraqi army or on the american occupiers , no less a revolutionary thing. that's what alexander was talking about. when you look through binoculars or through this pipe and suddenly you can raise your eyes to 25 m and visible at 3 km. this, of course, it creates for you, as if you were already having a battle in 3d. yes, that famous fog of war, about which claudius wrote, it was greatly dissipated, however, in addition to what

we saw. this is absolutely visual in this film. and there are two more things that i saw, which are probably less noticeable to the uninitiated viewer. first that, mostly the battle is fought by people, and who until recently were miners, tractor drivers , hairdressers, it’s not very interesting to find out from alexander who he was in peaceful life. yes, a when there is a protracted combat operation , a professional military man wears out quite quickly, yes, and you need to attract people. and then life brings forward completely different people, a person who can be absolutely a cog in some system and suddenly, as if out of the blue, a wonderful sniper or an excellent uav operator appears and often they do not have to study for 8 years. eh, at the academy, yes, and they are drawn into 2 weeks of fighting. and this is a different person. this was yet another confirmation. i

knew it, now i saw it and of course, despite to the fact that there is an abundance in the film. uh, filming uh, shooters of the battle, and we all know that 90% of the wounds are from our side. i saw them in the hospital and the same with the ukrainian one. i read it in the western press and the ukrainian press. uh, these are fragmentation weapons and this is primarily artillery. yes, this is what no one expected - artillery. it would seem that this one is uncontrollable. well, as it was quite rightly said, a drone is attached to a weapon that fires an unguided projectile and this weapon already becomes a high-precision weapon. and we absolutely new quality is being imparted, that is, we are seeing an expansion of the line of high-precision weapons. and now, conditionally, a tank cannon. yes, the howitzer is becoming a precision weapon. and this means that you can actually reduce. uh, the consumption of your shells will increase the efficiency, but uh, you need to understand that not only

our armed forces have drones, but the enemy also has them. and this also has a very serious impact on the situation on the battlefield. let's see how this is shown in the film. approaching lisichansk, the last stronghold militants in the lpr, the fourth brigade abandoned the old rule from military textbooks that there should be three times more attackers than defenders, so the forces are too stretched and the enemy can notice them on the way, even with less forces than the enemy defending, so as not this disclosure was created by a soldier of the fourth brigade. they drove into one of the hottest spots in the forests near the city of crime, where they switched to new tactics and did not attack with columns of armored vehicles, which were noticeable on the approach because of the drones. they are big assault groups, one of which was led forward by denis martyshchenko. modern technologies. the professional infantryman has been pushed even more to the forefront, and now

many new skills also have to be used by these drones. if this one seemed to understand that he saw you, then you try not to stop, and already move around dmitry valerievich plakhov 3 seconds lay down 3 seconds go lie down 3 seconds go lie down and alexander germanovich, well, you just started talking that the use of drones is valid. uh, fundamentally changes the approach to the use of artillery, what does this allow? this is how the film shows how to conduct an offensive with smaller forces. this allows you to reduce the consumption of ammunition. but it’s absolutely fair, says the hero of the film denis, that the enemy also has it. this is how this affects the battlefield, and aren’t we facing, well, if you want a situation similar to the first world war, when there was no change on the western front. i would say dmitrievich, uh, i remember

bismarck, so that she would always be the engine of progress, yakovlevich would be here now prison eh, good friend. he would say that in fact, at first, and in the nineties , more precisely, even since the late eighties, drones first appeared on the battlefield, when in the lebanon region they won the battle with manned fighters? that is, the fighters with a crew under the israelis used them were first-generation drones, the harpy, they performed excellently; in fact, there were no losses on the israeli side. there was an airplane there in the sense of the word that drones are why on the other side both attack and reconnaissance are represented drones, let's say, the same relay hundred and fury - are these perhaps drones and the shock tractor tb2, but turkish-azerbaijani production, and a lot more to sail to grim reaper, the so -called grim reaper. american drone from the price of 28 million dollars, which are controlled directly behind the zones of a secure communication channel, and there is actually an airplane around the earth, so, uh, of course, the ukrainians were armed to the teeth,

which was also shared through our fighters and and i would say that said, actually said, i don’t allow much during the broadcast, i’ll add that even at the level of my own telegram channel, my telegram channel operates a fund of its own. we constantly send guys to the front. but the soviet snack in kuban is just lu. in the direction of other places mavic, 3 myvik hadrons we reflash, because you can intercept control of them and it turns out, by the way, this is reflected in the film, that cheap equipment actually consists of foam plastic, which requires very great control skill and the higher the skill. and the lower the communication capability, for example with a satellite system navigation, the higher the skill of the operator and the more terrible, in principle, to counteract this drone, because if the operator is of the classes of alexander who is with us. now a fighter with the call sign hedgehog, then in this case a drone flying at a speed of 60 km/h, and which only has communication with the operator and does not have any linking system to anything else. in

principle, it was very difficult to fight with him ; in fact, it was hardly possible, but there are also autonomous drones. i just said, but baba yaga’s drone. that's what the fighters at the front call it: agricultural land flies slowly it’s amazing, because one by one they build up the strength of a canister of about 30-40 liters for spraying. what’s wrong with that? that is, accordingly, some kind of tandem can be taken well. you can take a supply of high explosive and fly accordingly. and the main thing is that the thermal imager still works. and it’s difficult to get into it at night that day and, in principle, to conduct some kind of unit. you need to get into the box specifically into the guidance system. it's very difficult to hit the propellers there, that is, but for us it's actually not a robot war. new war automated technology in many ways, and oddly enough, i end here, the role of the fighter and the person is increasing, because complex systems are easier to counteract. they have some kind of access to a satellite channel for something else, i can fish them up for nothing and counteract, for example, the same thing, alexander who does not need anything except his remote control and a fast- flying drone which is located by another drone. drone kamikaze it will usually be another

drone, but here it’s very difficult. this is a very high class craftsmanship. and with us there are such fighters. i would say, but really, the importance of the fighter is increasing and the importance of the operator of unmanned aerial vehicles such as alexander is increasing, alexander firstly. do you agree with what was just said in the studio? secondly, and in the film you say a very interesting phrase, that today we essentially need drones and tanks. and if there are enough drones and tanks, then combine them with each other. we can win. could you explain in more detail, uh, your train of thought? why drones and tanks? drones provide objective control, and tanks inflict fire damage. here i didn’t talk about artillery, because fortunately we have artillery, there are no problems. so they shoot quite accurately with adjustments from the drones , so we need more tanks and more

drones, respectively, i didn’t say anything to the artillery, because the artillery performs its tasks 100%, well, the tanks are mobile. well , armored ones mean that the risk is greatly reduced by the fact that the crew will be somehow hit by some means. even let in he'll get knocked up. the most important thing is that people will stay alive. that's it, there is reservation, mobility and rate of fire. these are the main features of the tank that is currently on the battlefield. what functions do they perform? and i’ll add what’s most important. this is about what they said in the studio just now about what modern drones there are and how the skill of drone operators is needed today. well, the day before we were in kurdyumovka. this is one of the pension points. now fierce battles

are taking place in the south of artyomovskaya, they are already saying there, and new inventions with drones are also being minimized. they remotely and even hit shrapnel. or that is, they shoot, in fact they fly in to shoot and only reset. of course, despite the fact that with these steps we are getting closer and closer to this battle of drones, of course, the skills, uh of operators, are in first place today, because the commercial drone a is mainly for them. uh, today, uh, the fighters are using it. eh, even a child can lift it. it's not difficult to pick it up and control it, another thing is that no one will see it like experienced fighters. here for example, a hedgehog immediately disassembles the enemy’s defense. he immediately understands where to carry the fire, where the opponents will run from. if you want to shoot, he immediately shoots the gun there on the escape route. and we only showed a small part of the work that he does. uh, because uh, from the antans, as sasha said just now. he feels as

if the tankers are experiencing something at that moment, he just flies up and says gun to the right to the left. he knows that he cannot see, and moves away in his wake a little. that is , he understands that he is a tanker. maybe uh so to navigate as he sees it from above and this, of course, is the skill of fighters. they all walked to the earth with their own feet first. and now they can control the battle. well, these are , uh, top-class masters who are in our ranks today. alexandra and who were you before the start of the special military operation and in general before the ukrainian conflict? mmm, i was an ordinary teenager, 20 years old. when did the war start? i was unemployed and sat on computers. didn't do anything. well now you really are a hero and you play absolutely a critical role in the fighting and in the modern nature of war. well, of course i’m not a military man. my military experience is limited to conscript service in the soviet army back in the seventies, but

now i thought, maybe the experience of the seventies . this situation would be useful. as i understand it, the problem is that really the drone, as they say, was caught off guard by the really massive use of drones, uh, apparently, to some extent it really looks like it was in the first world war. by the way, in the second world tank breakthroughs became the same know-how, unfortunately, primarily on the part of the germans. yes, i would, that's what i think, apparently, maybe. well, the technology is appropriate. and this technology, perhaps, is just well forgotten. i don’t know if the modern army, for example, has such things as the shilka that we had in the seventies. shilka is not a thing, it was intended for a four-barreled one. this. it was intended for low flying targets and not for naturally high speed targets , as they say, i don’t know, most likely

she was removed with weapons. it seems to me that this is precisely what she would do with the uh, dual slender machine guns that were still in use. uh, in the first and second world war, because it is clear that drone targets fly slowly, and, that is, all air defense was focused on jet aircraft, which fly at high speed , radar missiles are needed. and i understand this, here it sticks out above it and it seems like you can launch it not two or three, but 200, but if there are 200 of them. even if you minus half of them , the second half, i have a feeling if 200 drones and put five shilaks, then in general the problem can be solved. yeah. but let’s ask. let's ask alexander a. how often do the drones you control get shot down first and how do you deal with enemy drones? but look at the drones, now there are underwater surface drones that

have regular t-shirts in beer. there was a type of wing and with them all. maybe, uh, only rap and electronic warfare can protest against them, nothing else. that is, now there is a fight between rap and drone, just like before the armored projectile. now there's a rap battle going on drone, that is, this alexander i is a new dimension of modern war. e dmitrievich and firstly , the so-called swarm tactics are now working with our opponents in particular. well, they’re kind of a bit of an expert, so they understand well what overloading of any system means. it doesn’t matter what the modern one is. eh, let’s say, afar, a phased antenna array. well you see, you are 100 plus targets. and if thousands of work targets are flying, there are other ways to do this . well, even laser overexposure. in general, we have a separate speed. a lot of systems of anti-drone guns of the snare class further and samarkand borisoglebsk e, two a and

e other means so to speak, well, in general , four or five at least from stationary to e anti-drone guns that an infantryman can do and they are often shown, they were in dmitry’s frame e. during the course of his film, and which by which the infantryman can force a drone to land. that is, in principle, a waste of control on the part of the operator and landing. although the drone is equipped with an algorithm for returning to base. in case of loss of control of communication with the operator. but this is of a certain level, but now most people already have this program. well, or, in principle , it breaks down with a scientific channel approximately what we observed in moscow in the moscow region, then when the drone had a broken channel, the target itself was lost, and the ability to locate by gps was lost and it developed as i understand it, alexandra him tactically, drones tactically have nothing to do with it. naturally, to ripper makeup or similar scary techniques. so to speak, a large caliber does not have it. it really works on the battlefield. a at the level of tactical units and here i say, on the one hand, this is a terrible weapon

, right down to the switch, the switch blade is a professional small drone that can kill a specific person. or even the brimstones have actually already been implemented on a drone missile, which can, in a group target of several cars, select a specific car by number and hit that particular car in a british-made concern. well, alexander has more commercial drones. this is what is now in demand in troops. we have this very recent rumor to what a senior colleague said just now, and i remember that this work was done back in the spring of this year. i'm on the right, except for our lecture by vovan . well, people complained that in the best contraction there was a spartan battalion. and, in principle, the guys had dronov en masse at the unit level. very few ukrainians were faster, but we actually managed to have them, they were in significant quantities in warehouses. i believe that drone hunger has not been overcome. it still exists , we need to develop this business so that it is really at the level of each department. this is a consumable item and gets lost. so there are always orders for this matter, and about these drone fights.

i said that now a struggle is being developed in terms of creating a field in which electronic brains are sintered so that the whole swarm loses control and falls, because such means concern shilka, shilka is already in the museum. naturally, in the next generation after the sewing. we have the oil terminals of the terminator machine, which has twin barrels and, in parallel, a missile launcher. a ruslan now we are talking about drones as a new stage in the development of military affairs and their influence. now let's imagine that the drone is combined with artificial intelligence, because... now, again , the use of artificial intelligence on a massive scale, including in military affairs, is being actively discussed, this synthesis of drones and artificial intelligence. how will this affect war on modern war? do you know why we talk so much about androns and how they cause damage and help or, on the contrary , counteract, because technology became mature. now, if you look on the internet or somewhere in books , uh, there are very famous photographs when marilyn monroe was not yet marilyn monroe, there was norma

jean and she stands at the factory in 1945 and turns the nut on a drone, that is, the americans , before releasing the pilots into a combat situation from 1943 to 1945 , they gave him the opportunity to work on four uncontrolled radio-controlled models, that is, there were already drones, but they were used. it’s like she’s flying, healing. uh, flying target. yes, and there are germans there the soviets used a glider there, behind which they were pulling some kind of target, so this is the forty-fifth year of marilyn monroe and now the battlefield, as we remember the bulk of the targets destroyed both in yugoslavia and in iraq at least. at the first stage during the 2003 invasion. this was still manned aviation on a large scale. we start hearing from drones during borac. obama when there are no magical executions of actually taliban and some other al-qaeda commanders on the territory of afghanistan. this technology has matured.

yes, and there is a whole range of things that are very good to have. but let's say this. eh, i understand what our friends are talking about about artillery, artillery, god of war , we are a country of artillery, but when our opponents were given a guided projectile from a caliber, and he simply shoots us down, we cannot get close to him, he shoots one and a half times further. yes, and this is already a problem, not of an artillery gun, because in the grand scheme of things, a machine gun, a sniper rifle, or a cannon artillery gun are just their own kind. uh, apparatus to deliver the charge to the site. yes, this is a question for those who produce gunpowder shells for our ballistics. therefore, at every moment it works with a combination of technologies. let’s say at one time, the armenian forces and the forces actively used the system, and field suppression, ah, but they only had 6 or 8 pieces.

now, if they had forced the whole of karabakh to use this field , then they would have dropped all these barracks, but they were able to spot it, and after a few days the turks found ways to bypass this. therefore, on the one hand, technology should being mature on the other hand. they must work in combination. and one more thing, if it starts from the time of the napoleonic wars, eh? strategies uh, politicians began to sacrifice the individual training of a fighter in favor of them acting together. yes, let there not be ideal fencing people in the battalion. well, let them fight well on average. what kind of battle is that? now we are seeing the return of such a new middle ages, when it is the individual preparation of a fighter that is psychological and physical. can he not be afraid to stand up and throw a grenade that it becomes important again. but i want to ask dmitry, who has been observing, uh, the military conflict since 2014. here, firstly, when did the massive

modern combat use of drones begin, as it is now and as you show in this film. can you capture this moment when the second one began? eh, really, is there a shortage of drones? are they treated as consumables, as alexander germanovich rightly said, or are they still such a curiosity, you know? but when compared with the fourteenth fifteenth years, then, of course, the fighting was still the same, and during the civil war. and here, uh, in the donbass they began to actively use adjustments specifically for reconnaissance, but first their own. eh, well , such a revolution really took place, because the flight range , flight time, and multiplicity increased. all this gave zuma a completely new advantage and was truly reborn. um, that's it, weapons. eh, and today. that's what they say. sasha he just doesn't think. uh, the work of calculating any

weapon without, uh, drones, uh, the expense is colossal especially the most uh, tense areas. for example, here in the south of artyomovsk. in the kleschievka area, the guys are losing five three five drones a day, that is, they are needed. eh, well, it’s just such a consumable material in huge quantities. uh, and in this sense , of course, we need to help. uh, here, uh, all over the country, everyone, uh, everyone who can support today guys. they themselves say we can handle it. we stand, we hold the defense. eh, only us help support. uh, and uh, of course, well, there can’t be too many of them, uh. and when there are such intense battles, just around the clock today, in this area, of course, more drones are needed. well, you know, in my opinion. what else is going on here? you said there will be artificial

intelligence, but if not the boring intelligence that guides everything, the whole point is that, in my opinion. russia has been drawn into such a positional war, as they say, at the level of drones, but in russia there is a colossal strategic advantage alexander . please tell me, why is your call sign hedgehog? why not a porcupine or a snake? well i have one call sign since the age of 9, probably due to character traits and appearance. thank you, well, you know, uh, the united states is now actively discussing the porcupine strategy in relation to ukraine. but it seems to me that one of the keys to our victory is the hedgehog strategy. uh, in relation to the current conflict. i would still like to emphasize, and it seems to me that dmitry agrees with me, that recently our armed forces have made a colossal qualitative leap forward. and if we started uh, this ukrainian conflict

really has an army in many ways of the twentieth century and fought in the style of the 20th century , now in these one and a half years we have made a colossal leap forward and are already fighting, but it ’s not that we are even fighting, but we are giving, we are showing an example of how to fight, and in the twenty -first century, do you agree? yes, of course, now our guys who take part in special war operations - i’m not afraid of this word. these are the best warriors in the world the best warriors in the world. indeed, because such combat experience in modern combat operations. no more, uh, no one. uh, how all the military have become, essentially , they are rewriting on the go, so here i am important. eh, the bet is on such young, enterprising officers. these are the heroes of my film. uh, the hedgehog is 28 years old. kolyan tanker, 28 years old. e denis is 21 years old

in general and there are a lot of guys like him who are quick to take initiative, who know how to uh hmm how to improve a drone. how to find some new use for them. eh, here are many of these practices. yes, they don’t have any basic theory, they come to study. also somehow, uh, accumulates and scales this experience. uh, now a lot of soldiers are leaving the front. in there academies study, return to some new positions with new titles, that is , this process of such renewal is colossal, it is big, and it is going on. and so, the need to really learn about the need for fighters to improve in new conditions. here in the conditions of modern war. we'll talk and not only about this. we 'll talk after a short commercial. this is what americans call nancy pelosi. i'm more of

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the film very clearly shows that the requirements for a fighter are only increasing. you can’t relax, you can’t say that drones are new technologies. everything will be replaced for him. he himself must show even greater heroism at the front and show even greater skills, rather than, say, so in the war of the previous era. and here is the story of denis martyshchenko, who started as a simple ordinary infantryman, but became, uh, one of the youngest commanders. does this illustrate what you think? i think yes, absolutely. well, i think, not only the soldiers and the general , a lot also depends on the generals. i agree with me. you know what comes to mind. boris vasiliev's phrase from the play. and the dawns here are quiet, which the main character says, because she is vaskov when he instructs these girls who must enter the deadly battle with the enemy war. it's not just about who will shoot whom. who will change his mind? and we

see that all our heroes are, first of all , young, and have not graduated from any academies. they are all extremely smart. they are truly intellectuals. they may not have studied at academies; of course, modern education requires high professionalism, because it is mastery of technology. this, of course, is not even the fact that when i served in the soviet army, so to speak, there were no drones. well, we had a machine gun, as they say. although we are not stupid either there were, but only this. it seems to me that modern warfare requires not only more professionalism. it requires even more education in the spirit of heroism, because to realize that every second you are permanently a target, every wrong step you take, and you are killed. and yet, here you are. you go on the assault, nevertheless. you risk your life every uh, every moment, and the risk increases from the use of drones

, because what kind of fortitude is it necessary to have enormous? well, let's also have our grandfathers and fathers. listen, of course, my father went through the whole war. it was, as they say, on the front line, it was apparently very difficult and it was necessary to show enormous fortitude, by the way, he was an artilleryman, but he was a reconnaissance commander, so he sat with the infantry. he sat in the infantry trenches to adjust the fire. so , so to speak, ours is simply in this sense ours to ours, these are the youth. in many ways, to the surprise of many, it suddenly turned out that they are capable of the most heroic deeds, which is completely uh, so to speak, no no no they are like let's face it. we had the impression of them as being spoiled and incapable of anything . eh, you see, no, young people, young people are proving that they are truly the heirs

of those traditions that our russian army has always been famous for. this is very important ; it is not only a forge of heroes, but it is an illustration of the continuity of russian history and the continuity of russian heroism. i am grateful to you for highlighting the heroism in our fathers and grandfathers. and now we are witnessing the heroism of our children. yes but because twenty-year-old thirty-year-olds are fighting, uh, guys and but this really shows that the spirit, but the soul , russia of which, by the way, vladimir putin recently spoke at the eastern economic forum in vladivostok, she is alive , she is here, and alexander want. i want to ask you, here. how do you teach and how do you teach fighters? eh, here are the new battle tactics. yes , because we just said what the requirements are. e to fighters to infantrymen to tank crews. all participants in combat operations

are raised in modern conditions. here's how you help them, in general, how this learning process happens. people with combat experience share their combat experience and can demonstrate a specific video for each action. well, it so happens that we have a whole archive. combat actions and each video can be analyzed episode by episode , explained visually, rewinded and at some point emphasized , paused, discussed, and, well, communicating with fighters who have experience. well, naturally, combat experience is the main school. yes, but you still don’t get combat experience right away, but combat experience also needs to be acquired and it must be done so, uh, that a person receiving combat experience remains alive. but how do you help them with this? are you sending them to

the battlefield? and here is how exactly the adaptation of fighters to modern conditions of war occurs. everything here is step by step. that is, you simply give him an order that must be carried out, and you place the order in such a way as to minimize the risks that a person may encounter and, let’s say, at the turn of the line, completing the task. eh, there is a person who will guide them and give them tips. here in in the future, these people become themselves. and those who will advise other fighters , alexander germanovich, that is, the armed forces become even more professional. i would say to dmitrievich that, unlike our era, there were truly heroic grandfathers who, of course, came under fire. look at modern means of defense and imagine that people fought before and just did gymnastics. in my opinion, their absolute heroism proves it, because their chances are many times less than those of a modern soldier. here

the kevlar of his helmet. okay, knowing mine, let’s say he’s holding a burst of machine gun fire, really, so to speak, and so on. eh, let's say. bulletproof vest armor class four plus plus e, so to speak, gives a chance of survival greater than with a fragment speed of up to 250 m/s. well, he won’t give 700, but he will give 250, but nevertheless, as far as he teaches, i now remember the words of our supreme commander , about 300,000 people are still in reserve. why are they being reserved, because they normally go through first firing then after that ah, when the first period of combat difficulty has somehow been overcome, people are beginning to understand. which side, roughly speaking, is the barrel of the machine gun, and how, so to speak, does it use the main assets, they go to the second echelon. well , now the organization of the rear, such things have happened. we haven't had a second- tier organization for a long time. now in the order of direction the lines are very long - the 1,200 line. lbs. e was contact. it’s all his happiness, it’s still organized there, to be honest,

it wasn’t like that 8-9 months ago. then after that they are coming. well, roughly speaking, to the mentors, that is, he mixes experienced fighters with young incoming personnel in order to, well , somehow and somehow adapt them to fire. i know quite a few people, i even knew several special forces who showed the magnificent well, i learned the idea in the kremlin. these are the federation of law enforcement agencies of russia. eh, when did you work with them there? uh, so, uh, a person shows an excellent result, it’s a shooting range, but he can’t physically resist the bend and can’t influence or do anything. this is still some kind of psychomotor quality. this is not because the person is bad. he simply cannot and therefore cope with this, how to somehow single out more or less capable fighters, who then move on, if she is well, as denis actually became the young battalion commander himself, according to his years. and this is a whole job to finish, because i can on this topic. it is natural to talk for a very long time. and the fact that now there is a renewal of not only the core of the army, but i believe that these guys

will become the new elite of russia in the future is absolutely war. u by the way, we are absolutely observing the rise of this new military elite. civil, of course, you can add two words. here's to what was said. i think that modern war, but war, it has always been. this is the technology of modern. it is, first of all , the rear technology industry and strictly speaking, the role of a competent engineer in a modern war, who may not be on the front line, becomes colossal. this is the same thing that happens in the movies, in the movies, too, the engineer has become almost not one of the leading figures, because technology is who will have technology. someone needs to create a technology that will nullify drones. absolutely, someone must. whoever creates these technologies first will win, because i think the war will immediately change. they will certainly be created.