in the future, the new elite of russia will become absolutely our people's war, by the way, absolutely we are witnessing the maturation of this new elite, both military and civilian . you can also add, of course, two words. here's to what was said. i think that modern war, but war, it has always been this technology, and modern it is , first of all, the industry of technology, the rear, strictly speaking, the role of a competent engineer in modern war, which may be precisely on the front line, becomes colossal. it's the same as in the movies happens in the movies, too, the engineer has become almost one of the leading figures , technology has happened, those who will have the technology. someone needs to create a technology that will nullify drones. absolutely, someone must. whoever creates these technologies first will win, because i think the war will immediately change. now, some effective

technologies will probably be created, which, as they say, will all be invaluable. as we see we pretty much see now. look what is happening with aviation, apparently there are problems with aviation, then there is such powerful air defense that aviation has already ceased to play the role that it did, after all, the internal combustion engine has kicked the horse, which, in fact, was actively used even during the second world war. now it has not existed since the times of alexander the great and the ancient romans, so, of course, a competent engineer is of great importance, in general, for modern force for modern warfare , firearms in their time, zeroed out armor, knightly, and so on. karen georgievich said very correctly before, that we are now, largely thanks to a new round, and not just scientific and technological progress, but its integration into combat operations , we find ourselves in a situation of war of attrition, when large-scale operations are associated with

huge costs with huge costs. and we, well, relatively speaking, well, not like steel yes, but the war has turned into a war of attrition, where economic reserves, mobilization potential, engineering potential, logistics, and so on are of great importance. do you agree with this ruslan, you know absolutely for sure that in the long term. uh, this the war is absolutely suicidal for ukraine simply for the simple reason that it has fewer human intellectual military resources and despite the fact that it is being sucked in by the good and the third world. this suction can be tightened at any moment. we are, of course, a large self-sufficient country of resources. we have a colossal amount of intellectual resources ending with purely mineral resources. however, of course , it is very scary to think if this war drags on. oh , we'll have to pay even more number of human lives. besides , the young people absolutely agree with you, and

therefore karen georgievich is largely right when he talks about expediency. move to some other level of escalation in order to bring our victory closer, but to those resources that you listed i will add heroism , again, the heroism and patriotism of our soldier, which is very clearly illustrated in this film. and dmitry, you are a war correspondent, and you are still there, and at the fronts, tell me what’s happening right now is happening in your direction. and right now we are holding it. we are actively working in the direction, as i already said, the southern flank, artyomovskaya where the fourth brigade is, where hedgehog and other heroes of the plot of this film serve. eh, now the enemy is holding the defense, the active defense is being switched over and the enemy is launching counterattacks. eh, there’s a tick on andreevka, but still. right now. these are our guys. eh, they're beating off. uh, the positions also carry out assault operations.

some positions have already passed from hand to hand several times, all this is accompanied by just such a barrage of fire with both sides and application. well , kamikaze drones, which are now being used in huge quantities by both sides, it’s getting harder and harder to work, and it’s harder to shoot reports. well , let's continue to report them regularly and show the time in the program, and according to your estimates. how long will the enemy be able to carry out such operations, because we just discussed resource issues, the issue of sewer reserves, the issue of capacity , there is reason to believe that the enemy may be close to exhausting them, you agree with this or we can expect a long continuation of such assault attempts on his part. well, this is probably a thankless task. here's something to predict after all. because it’s hard to say clearly that, of course, there are quite a lot of resources. because

they help. uh, many western countries. eh, i think this is for the short term now. you need to look at the weather. yes , at the end of october somewhere else there will be weather that will allow it. uh, try to carry out to uh try to attack. uh, the enemy will be, therefore, i think that he will try again in the near future. but now we can say, at some time , for about a week , it calmed down a little, maybe two, and now it’s clearly gone like this. eh, let's go all out in this, probably this is the last attempt. in this spring summer offensive operation in order to achieve something, but they went quite a bit, of course, they cannot be called a success, because if there are colossal losses, which is difficult. stand up i want to ask, probably last question to alexander: did you take a direct part in the battles, in winter and summer and spring and autumn. here's what you can expect

from combat as the cold and rainy seasons arrive, based on your experience. uh, i think the assaults will not stop on our part ; the enemy will use less equipment somewhere. well, somewhere it will be used. same thing no problem. uh, the only thing is that it will be difficult for the reinforcement groups to hold positions, in addition to the fact that they will constantly be fired upon artillery. uh, drops ammunition on them from a drone. eh, damn it, even chips for them, besides this, they will all still be cold and deal with it. and nothing will change. this, well, before much will not change by storm. you said it will continue, but i would name one more constant: the fortitude of our fighters will not change; heroism will not change in the end. i want to show another small excerpt from the heroic

great film by dmitry kulko that this heroism really takes place and is appreciated by the country's leadership. let's listen to the seller who often said that losing friends. it's very hard. he knew very well, but despite this, we must continue to work, we must continue the work of our fallen comrades. today, one of them , tomorrow, maybe one of us, anything can happen. no need, just think about it, no need, just work. six attack aircraft destroyed seven opponents. without loss, only one soldier was slightly wounded in the leg after the transfer of forces of the fourth brigade held the lines on the southern flank, artyom, the supreme commander-in-chief called the actions heroic fighters and personally called the new commander of the four with the call sign formidable. this is it. combat heroism, well, the call

was unexpectedly supported by the president. very much very well aware of the situation that is happening here, he knows everything, asked to support the brigade, cut out words of gratitude to the brigade personnel, the young people are marching for the right to be russian. they want parades in the style of their grandfathers, they hold films , they watch how their grandfathers defended their homeland, there were very difficult battles. now someone is walking around with fascist crosses and will force me i don't want to do this. i’d better go away from my homeland, call sign alexander, hedgehog. thank you so much for everything. what are you doing? you are a real hero. take care of yourself dmitry you are no less a true hero. thank you so much for this unique and great film

. thank you very much. it was a big game. thank you very much. hello, i'm still dmitry bug, i still host a literary podcast with a very catchy name. let them not talk. let today's issue be read by a very special one, because this year we celebrate anniversary of a wonderful poet. rasula kamzatova. it’s hard to say, he is a russian avar dagestan soviet poet, he is a poet of the planet. i am convinced of this and that is why we decided to talk in rasul gamzator on the anniversary

year and that is why there are wonderful important people among our guests, first of all, of course. this is the daughter of rasuly gazatov, salikhat rasulana gamzatova, director of the dagestan museum of fine arts named after. e, patimat saidovna gamzatova. hello salihat, rasulladdin is also our guest today, the actor of the moscow theater named after nikolaeva anatoly prosalov hello anatoly, hello, let's get started, uh, salikhat rasulovna and um. i know that the self-name of our podcast has something to do with rasul gamzatov. so tell me let them talk. let them read. i remembered that i had such an incident with my dad on his eightieth birthday, they showed films about him. and i once saw him asking and he didn’t really like it, and then the schoolchildren came

and read his poems, and i saw that he was very touched and i was somehow surprised and asked him, what's dad? why were you here when the films were shown? you somehow didn’t particularly like it, but when they read it like that you were so touched. he said why show me. so it's almost almost. here we will assume that our podcast is named with a quote from rasul gamzatov, which is pleasantly wonderful. well, of course you have absolutely invaluable experience, because you grew up in a wonderful family. uh, artists and creators, and i would like to first hmm hear your story about your grandfather about gamzateta sadas gamzatsa dasa absolutely legendary dagestan. uh, poet, figure, culture, told or told you about him. who is this for you, of course, for me

it’s an annoyance, first of all grandfather well, when i was born, he was no longer there, of course, he died. but, and therefore it is so mediated, yes it perceives, but and i always saw, firstly, how haphazardly i spoke with respect to my father and the era of very interesting poisoning, if it’s ethical, yes. listen, what does he seem to hear, uh, that when there is no father, he asks a question. this is who i am now afraid of, whom i obey, and as if i hear the voice of my mother, who is also no longer living, that if only all of us are at the end of our years and just listen to him, that is, this is for him, father. it's such. this is the criterion of what you need to be and dad was a very uh , such a devoted son, he was not obedient , they said there, that’s him. um, that's his sister over there. hmm, you understand that he

was not a good helper in the house, so to speak, but he was a very devoted son. and he even told about a story that when he was little, his grandfather went. eh, hmm well, i won’t give you a relationship. yes, hunzakh, isa, therefore, because healing, yes, yes, i even know the name caucasian from the garden. yes, little daddy always went to meet him, and one day, hmm, somehow in the winter, grandpa stayed late and his dad sat waiting for him, and he even froze, and uh, so to speak, my future other, grandpa, mom’s father, he walked and saw. he took this frozen child and brought him home for healing, maybe this is where it all started, probably there is some kind of connection. he behaves very well in asian. eh, it turned out to be seven. yes, here we are just saying, so i thought

the little boy was sitting waiting, and he gradually falls asleep, but he doesn’t go home, where it’s warm, but he wants to wait for his dad. yes? this is so touching. this is exactly what we see, hamzatsa dosa and khandulai gaidar gadzhievna. ahh, his wife and your grandmother and i think this is a great photo. look. what faces. and outwardly a very attractive person. he was so real. the highlander is always smart and there are a lot of people like that about him. eh, memories indeed. i have legends. he uh hmm lived most of the time in the village, but then he was given apartment, and on the main street of makhachkala , and so on. it was lenin avenue , now it is rasul gamzatov avenue 4 near the square. and where the government house should have been. there was then a market there and

the grandfather of many people who came to makhachkala and had nowhere to live for the night. in this mountain tradition, he invited the cult of a guest to his home, yes, that is, a barrel that comes to the house, and then the people knocked down, who, well, are receiving some of their relatives, but just there were people nearby who ended up like this, uh, without bloody, probably, after all, they didn’t lead everyone to them. my grandfather was such a person. he was left an orphan at an early age and was brought up in the house of his uncle, uh, an arabist, and maybe that ’s why, as it were, he saw life not from the inside out. but this is how you can do this , so this is the code of a cucumber. he was very observant. it is very important. this is already history. now it's time to talk. about the museum that you head is the dagestan museum of fine arts named after patimat saidovna and gamzatova well, here we see

rassolomzatovich. and if we also have a photograph of the gamzatov spouses in yours, and mothers and fathers. but this is a wonderful photograph, these funny ones, like tell me, well, this famous photographer of ours came, kamil senses it, and he took some photographs, then it means questions. he said, i don’t remember, even this camille feels it or dad said, come on, that ’s why she was in the kitchen, idiot, let’s take off under the burka, and she also laughed like that. yes , burka is very big, yes, but she swings open. yes, and he said just like that, come on, just like that, it means going to the head. the main photo, i must say, was such an artist, he was very good at playing up the situation funny, and he called her like that. andrey this is already garlic, when was this filmed? we didn't even think that it would be published somewhere. so

they're like, damn, bourke's hat and tie, you don't even notice right away. the leg is very harmonious, but the most important thing is that these people are happy. yes, because on the topics saidovna, of course, the muse of e rasulatovich is not only his wife, but also the muse of his inspiration poems, and a museum was created for her. yes, this is her brainchild. yes, that means we had a local history museum, and in 1958 they decided to create an art museum, because by that time there were already many artists and uh, in the thirties a large collection of russian western european art was transferred to the local history museum, including painting, and in 1958 the museum of fine arts opened, and strangely enough, although this is what it is. it would seem like a beautiful organization, well, until the year sixty-four. it changed six somewhere

five or six or seven directors, 6 years, yes, practically. so why did they change so much and didn’t want to get involved in museums? they don’t know who these people were. well, they know that they were very busy, and as if there was no one who wanted to do this, my mother went there. she turned out to be a very good leader, and she told the story herself. that when she came, she was surprised that uh, hmm , money was allocated for the purchase of exhibits, and they were written off for non-use, that , no matter how they were not engaged in this collecting activities. well, of course, this activity has developed and we have all the collections of decorative and applied art. very very good very good insult not saving, i'll tell you the items of the host fund, as we see about 19. uh, now uh, 19,000 units. here. well, when my mother died

, she was 16 and something great. well, only silver , we have 7,000 units stored. this is a special storage mode. yes, you and i know, as it were, things of declination. well, these are 7,000 storage units. they were put together perfectly with her. we mentioned what we'll be listening to today. poems, and performed by anatoly prosalav. now this one has come and we are now going to listen to a poem, uh, which is dedicated to the mother, but it’s called mother, because uh, mother for rasul gamzatov. and in general, for people from the caucasus, this is, uh, something absolutely sacred. so anatoly prosalov reads the mother’s poem. as a mountain boy, i was not tolerable , not a rumor in the family circle, and with the stubbornness of adults i rejected all your instructions, but

the years passed and i did not give birth to them before fate. but now i’m often shy, like a little kid in front of you. here we are alone today at home i no longer hide in my heart, and i bow my gray head on your palms. i'm sad mom. it's sad, mom. i am a captive of the stupid bustle and i have felt so little attention in my life. you are spinning on a noisy carousel, wherever you go, but suddenly your heart will clench again. really? i started to forget my mother. and you lovingly bear the reproach, looking anxiously at me, you will sigh, as if you had inadvertently shed a tear, a secretly armored star, sparkling in the sky, flies on its final flight. do you have your boy in the palm of your hand?

he lays his gray head, it would probably be appropriate ask you. well, how did it happen that you began to professionally read the poems of rasul gamzatov? what happened to you when you began to read the poems of rasul gamzatov, what about translation? do you know if you were interested? well, in general, tell me a little, it’s terribly interesting. you know from the other end of the family. yes, not from dagestan, but from your side. it seems to me that like most people. let's just say it all started with the cranes for soviet children, because i am the grandson of front-line soldiers, my grandfathers fought, my grandmother was taken to a labor camp and the theme of the great war the national song is very close to our family, and that’s why the crane song has been heard since childhood, and whenever you hear it, tears come to your eyes.

well, you know the song, but even as a child you don’t understand who the author is and you don’t show interest in it, and already you’re interested in rasul gamzatov and the realization that the song was written based on the poems of rasul gamzatov i learned this in high school, when near the school in my in my native lugansk, in the park at the tomb of the unknown soldier , a monument to the cranes was erected and there is a quote, of course, there quote uh, there is a red army woman, turning into cranes, a very touching monument. and there the quote is not in the ground. they once lay down, but turned into white cranes, that’s why i even speak and this melody sounds inside , these words sound. you remember them, you probably know the most famous lines of gamzatov’s pickle and maybe, well, those that have absorbed a lot of meanings. it's not even

literature. isn't that right? this is something more than literature. this is already a particle. each of us has inside and therefore without this victory day and makhachkala in dagestan had in makhachkala uh. here's an amazing story in 2010. we were on tour with the gogol theater, and uh, we already saw the erected monument, and the taxi driver, who uh, oared us , boasted and spoke, and rasul gamzatov, our famous avar poet, and lenin avenue was renamed in his honor, which is absolutely fair, and we wow , how interesting, and at the end of the tour, the administration of makhachkala gave a gift to all participants in the theater actors. it was a collection of poems and here i read the collection for the first time, already looked at some things, selected for myself, thinking that maybe someday i ’ll read it somewhere from the stage. and now, actually, almost 13 years later.

it's great that a good story has emerged, really. to me the palace is a terrible extravagance. after all , there is a war going on now, we won, not yet. oh i didn’t even know, i’ll be glad if there’s a place for me here, this place is a monster, i need a friend to amuse the children. i didn’t see it, but i know, i heard the word, fat anna koroleva is an extraordinary person. although you won’t be able to see it right away, she’s being pursued by the tragedy , i lost 17 children. i had a miscarriage. beautiful, stop laughing at me , funny prank, really, go back to

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, told something about where he had been, who he liked to meet, because, well, his fame had grown. he didn’t tell the children that way. well, mom too, when they met with adult days, she somehow didn’t tell me. well, i remember that almost all of my childhood. we were like this, waiting for your parents to go somewhere , come back and miss you, and i remember, what is the story? my sister told me that his classmate was so sad, something my mother has been with luna for 3 days, so i’m paying for the procedure, why is she crying? and you often understand nothing and well. yes? i remember, even with my mother i came back and said, i’m telling you, we had a fight at school that you didn’t sign my diary, and she signed it for me 2 months in advance. and another month

ahead. this is wonderful. you can get deuces, just kidding. and here is a wonderful photo of the gansatov family and here are the three sisters. yes, yes and again it is clear that these are happy people. yes , maybe tell your sisters, where you are alone in your mother’s older sister’s arms. and so sister just a classmate who was crying, we didn’t understand. fuck why is she crying like chekhov's three sisters? yes, yes, let's go with tradition now. eh, let's move on to the author's section. e in this section. we either read something from the 19th century classics. either we comment on some poems, also classic ones, or we show books; this section is called old book. well, it’s somehow not very correct to talk about the gamzator, as this book is about old books that are alive, which are with us, but still they were published a long time ago. here it is in my hands. eh, three collections.

eh, rasula gamzatova is just off my bookshelf . as is always the case, the museum objects are not in storage from the museum. and these are just my own books. literally a few words. here they are, and one of them is a book that was published, uh, distributed by soviet russia and a star speaks like a star, and for those who know, uh, poetry, it is clear that the year sixty-four is the year of the sixties. this is the year of popularity of andrei voznesensky, white madulina evgeniy yevtushenko was so okudzhava and it is very important that the year sixty-four. here in the same series of publications. uh, a book. uh, rasula gamzatova and this is a very, uh, important fact. this means that he is already in the circle not only of avar dagestan literature, but also in russian literature, and the second book, uh , which i would like to show, is a book that was published in a series of collections that meant high awards. here are

the poems for this book. eh, high stars. it's called the stars again. by the way, this is me, only now i realized, high stars. this book is published by a soviet writer. it came out a little later , a few years after the first one, but this is already the book is a lenin prize laureate, that is , several years pass and rasul gamzat becomes such a recognized classic poet during his lifetime. we can say that after all, gamzatov has his own view and attitude. this is also gagarin's flight in taste and name and so on. very fashionable yes braid theme and he has high stars, but these people are high stars. if only i could give it to you , it would be great if they mentioned this. i was born in the year sixty-one, so in my generation everyone was yuri, that is , there were a lot of yuri, because gagarin was absolutely cult figure. and, of course, there's this

headline. eh, the spirit of the times and the dagestan book is also very interesting. and again here is space as long as the earth rotates. by the way, the poem, and he objects, of course, of course, i think, maybe now we’ll do this, yes, that is, we see that it is no coincidence that this is the formation of the poet of the village and the planet, because rasul gamzatov is based on the values ​​of family traditional uh, rural mountaineers. he, of course, enters a different orbit if we continue this style, this book has been published already in the seventies in makhachkala but in russian, what is important and translators may be important. mention, and as far as i know , the translations were made into russian by classmates at the literary institute yakov kozlovsky naum grebnevym and it seems to me that the wide audience is precisely in their translations. well, so precise, and understandable to the russian reader. eh, i don’t know

whether you’ll say this later or not, but i’d like to say that it’s for the avar people. and rasul gamzatov did a lot. he translated pushkin’s poems and lermont, of course, and introduced them to them. here is yesenina and uh-huh well, yakov kozlovsky comes to mind with a comb, of course, these are classics, but they were translated by a lot of translators. yes, of course, the ancient casusans will not come like this , even such outstanding poets translated. e, simonov and ruberozhdestvensky. that’s why they translated it and you can see the snow and elena nikolaevskaya , i live, a classmate of hers translated it on the street. yes , yuna moritz really has a lot of people in this translation, well, they have translated it, it is known, it was translated by marina anatolyevna akhmedova, also a very good poet, and she has been for many years

worked as a writer. now he heads our dagestan writers union. and now recently oruttin translated my father’s poem, that is, it continues, that is, yes, not what was translated. we are talking about translations , some people continue to transport dad themselves and very unsuccessfully and for some reason from russian to russian, which is very sad. yes, well, you know, on the one hand. it's sad on the other hand. this is slava, the people's poet. yes, anatoly, you promised us the elements. well forgive me, please, those same ones while the earth is spinning. i i drank the sun like people drank water, walking across the highlands of the years towards the red sunrise, following the red sunset in the land of steep and proud peaks, where hearts have a special ardor, i drank the stars from the speech of the mountains from the cold springs, drank from the blue heavenly bowl in green thickets and

meadows . i drank air greedily. the sweetest infused with clouds. i drank snowflakes where the paths intertwined over the steepness and i remember the snowflakes that i sipped melted along the way. i drank a lot. when the ashes bake in the mountains, here and there, where the north is strong in degrees, i drank frost like they drink vodka, when i drank thunderstorms. whose glory to the lands the road seemed to sparkle at the top edge of the glass, the rainbow and the rosehip again brought together. hops oozed from the dark rocks, i climbed the steep slope and inhaled the hop smells of the earth's beauty. i reveled, blessed her destiny more than once, fell in love, was killed, and drank songs as i sang songs. the nature of the human soul is complex. i drank with friends at the same time, in an hour of joy, buza made from

honey in an hour of grief, bitter wine. and if i drank with my heart, then i didn’t drink for fun and with those, i saw ashes in hiroshima, i heard the festival and heard laughter and sharply blowing, as if on beer, to empty blow off the foam drank the essence of life. she is not deceitful, she is truthful to life, the essence is i love and rejoice and suffer and drink my day to the dregs and again i feel thirst and that is the only fault of life, let me leave the world. one day i didn’t quench my thirst in it, but the earth turns to people. wonderful. thank you very much, in my opinion, it is very consistent with the nature of these lines. yes, this is a translation by yakov

kozlovsky, this is kozlovsky, of course. kozlovsky is one of the best translators and think, what a poem, it really is a lot, yes, here, uh, named, and the photograph is very consistent with all this, because this man is flying. as a matter of fact, yes, and collections that are called to the stars and the stars are mentioned, of course, what does he see in the mountains. eh, in the caucasus the sky and stars are like unclean, so there is a world of transparent air, such farsightedness and at the same time family hospitality and kindness. here’s another thing that’s important, yes, i just like this kind of poetry. there was even such a famous poem and song: yellow leaves, leaves, people are still falling. there are jagged galoshes here, something in the galoshes clay or people have forgotten how much good there is, and we once pressed on aim. i know that new leaves will grow and new gatherings will occur, but

for some reason it seems to me that the laws of nature are unfair. it’s so touching to write about these leaves. yes, and he seems to be well new or something that autumn found. they fell, what else were they supposed to do. yes, new feelings, but he was so filled with pity for these forests that people forgot how much good things these once gave them. that's love even because you kind of understand that this is a law of nature. he says it's unfair. i think this is something like what he said about his dad and his parents. yes , which are the highest courts, yes, then what is no longer there, that is, we must appreciate what leaves people, leaves and nature and the past from this person. there are a lot of such covenants. take care of his friends with you. of course though. it’s more beautiful , and after the death of his mother, he has such a poem that these jelly, who are no longer alive, than to cry sympathetically lived with me. these are the best mothers of theirs from all sorts of

problems from any troubles, protect them at all costs, you understand, he was a friend of his readers, a person who is going through some kind of experience, and he says, the same thing happened to me. yes, actually, this is a continuation. this is the reasoning that we heard from the first one: take care of your friends. he says, i adhered to them with weakness and evil. how many years have i left my friends? how many died from me shipped left. it's so nice. i wanted to ask you, and i was a little uncomfortable. what if you remember little or don’t remember your father’s poems, it’s so beautiful and here and now it’s a literary attack. let them not say, let chita gamzatov be a friend of his readers. gamzatov was, naturally, a wonderful father, husband, son, and so on. but he has seen a lot of people.