[000:00:00;00] nalistov sometimes sag, but this is a universal skill vladimir romanovich, this is what a journalist needs in north south america in africa in asia in russia, the ability to ask questions, the ability to listen to answers is also needed everywhere, but here is what conclusions a journalist draws from these answers. and how he compares this with the available material is, of course, a national tradition. and i would say that journalism is generally a national product. it is a strange profession in its combination of universal qualifications and national qualifications. and you said it right in in america , there is a system of journalism schools in the united states of america, and they are not always part of the university program.

you probably know this one. ah, no, this is nonsense, a high level is the study of mass communications. media is where the theory is, and at the level of journalism schools they teach practice. here's how to ask questions, get answers and formalize. it's all in the material. the russian tradition is different and this is probably due to a number of reasons with the fact that we are a text-centric country, we love texts and we are tourists in relation to our language. we need literate language, because we understand literate speech, because we understand that speech reflects the mentality of our people , therefore we teach the language at the university level , this is the main thing, it seems to me that the difference we teach

in the language of literature is understanding the text as a world with its own laws, this is a lot at once questions arise in new topics, but i want to relax, something to ask? and just starting from the phrase that one of the main skills is to ask questions, and under what conditions? the journalist may not ask questions, and offering answers or such situations are not a difficult question. i had a period when i was faced with the fact that especially freshmen would have been in the plan a few years ago, maybe just before the pandemic. if he doesn’t come, when you enter the first course there will be an audience in front of you. still, young spinozas. they are absolutely convinced if there is such a person who knows the answer to all questions. and you begin, what are you telling them guys. look. what an interesting conflict the civil code adopted. but this is how the law became a legal vacuum arises and it is so unclear. if you ask us, i think he’ll tell you everything now. that's why i told them, guys. you see, you don’t have to know the answer to all their questions, i don’t know who might not be

cyclopedists. but, most likely, in this audience. they are missing the skill of journalists in formulating a topic , helping them come up with good, smart , interesting, correct questions and introducing themselves to the circle of those experts who will give their own answers to your invented questions , ask, but to the national tradition, if you go back, it seems to me a very important idea. uh. here, look. we somehow differentiate. dear mikhailovich's diary of a writer, quite harshly or not harshly, journalism and journalism were shot. this is journalism in many ways, but journalism. you can call it, you know, if you remember the soviet, uh, system of even genres, and there are journalistic genres. yes, a separate place, then we can say that this is the soviet theory

of journalism, and it put journalism at the top of the profession. but that doesn't mean that any snow reporter or even feature writer could write journalism in which he had the right to express his opinion , publicity the right to express his own opinion, but the fact is that, really, journalism in russia people treat with trepidation, because fyodor mikhailovich was not a journalist. he was a writer and a writer. it was possible to express your somewhat unobjective , even tendentious, nightly opinion. therefore , if we build a relationship between journalism and journalism, then journalism is a creative profession with significant elements of the craft. journalism is the

expression of people who are moral. with braces in society yes, a statement on current topics is enough, and closely related to journalism with a current agenda, but this is still a statement by an intellectual, as we talked about, and and we are not in the same country in the world we will not find such respect for publicists as there is in russia, even the word in english, there is no journalism. why is english important here? that the basic terminology is a profession, it is very strongly attached. yuz ah-and-deadlines clickbay you yes, even everything, it comes from english, i would say english, and andrey’s americano is even more american than the english

language, because the americans wrote those textbooks, and they were very simple, sketchy ones. journalism, from which the world then began to learn, and from which these universal standards came, and then prokhorov appeared there and somewhere in france, mcqueen, their authors, who added this national note, and americans were left with simple textbooks illustrating words, which in this case i didn’t seem to have. this is strange, i completely agree. but you know, no, here i am in the second half of all these years, when i was finishing my trial, i first went to practice, then to work at a literary newspaper. here is that very literary newspaper, uh, that blossomed in uh. in recent years, alexander chukovsky has known a very interesting literary newspaper. among the employees there are many members of the writers' union and you know, i remember very well, there was such a wonderful responsibility,

secretary, italy, aleksandrovich moev. so i brought some text there in his office, something like that. we are there transmitting materials to the strip and one of the greats comes in. now i don’t remember writing them, just italy. i looked at the photos for the text. he is so calm caption photo of italy i am a member of the union of writers of the ussr what is the caption for the photo or do you know? how to correct the ussr should make such a caption for the photo for now for me, that any journalist, he simply does not have a jaw. here your professionalism to write years as a creator of a publicist. it's like it doesn't mean that you, what is this? here's a pussy photo, it's not for me. i have outgrown this, nothing like this, you should do it in such a way that it is inserted into an example for young people, you know, i say, so truly intellectuals. let's have some very interesting discussions for today. look, the internet has radically changed our lives and has had a rather

serious impact on the profession. i'll try to be very brief. if something seems to you that does not correspond to the reality of mercy, we ask discussions, but it seems to me that the era of majors and large broadcasters, which could reach a huge audience, have passed, they created cultural phenomena. and i repeat, i don’t want to offend anyone, but such cultural phenomena as lspr or the beatles in many ways. this is a product. here are the media environments of their time, without now evaluating the musical merits. but this is connected with the media today, look at what our situation is. i'm in my first year teaching a master class. eh, i give you a task. eh, to your young journalists, yes to freshmen, when we go through an interview, and choose some famous interiors, and my task is to agree with them that the freshman went and interviewed them with the result of which was a book, which we did everything else very well, and you elena reviewed it. thank you very much here. what i have encountered over the past few years is usually what happens in our small group of six, there are eight people. i'm talking guys. the main thing is that yours do not coincide. these are interiors. you

will choose everyone, and then i will provide for you, so to speak. yes, that's it a few years ago. and in these lists , names unknown to me began to appear in the last academic year from six selected interiors by first-year students. i didn't know, i think, three of them. well, half of it for sure, but the problem is not only that i didn’t know them, but that the guys didn’t know those, so to speak , public opinion leaders who were chosen by their odnoklassniki. this is a radical change in the information field, as far as this should affect are our classical approaches to the educational process reflected today? this was a question, and bloggers we

were talking about bloggers. well, they were bloggers. yes, some people from social networks, who are there, yes, in some ways this is a paradigm shift, in others not, because fragmented media have always been the most fragmented, even after gutenberg created the printing press , the magazine market became the most fragmented. and it is possible that we are now facing this micro-infringement. serves well the interests of his groups. our research shows that the influence of so-called bloggers is separate bloggers are exaggerated by mass audiences. they turn the audience into a super fragmented one and they can satisfy the interest of amateurs very well. there, i don’t know of any urban rap, or uh

, fans of growing cacti, these audiences do not intersect today. or maybe they would n’t have crossed paths in the past. if journalists had such an opportunity to work for very narrow niche audiences, then a technical opportunity would appear. but from here there are some unpleasant conclusions, and the first thing that appears is information bubbles. echo chambers, different analytics researchers call it different things and people become isolated in their comfortable environments. they're so good. there, i don’t know about this city turnip. in general, they get used to the fact that they no longer need it. their general agenda. it’s also not satisfactory due to communication within the audience. here's to being with friends from here. we come to this terrible cancel, calchu culture of exclusion, because only in

this wonderful world i don’t need other people, and i don’t want them, and that’s the second problem. in my opinion, the absence of hmm, this is the only thing that habermas called, and public or public sphere that unites us all, so i also don’t agree with you now, when i say that both the era of majors and bratcaster. these are these broadcasters. it will not go away as long as we have a modern state with its common features for the entire society. look, i wouldn’t want to argue with you here, because i was used to believe that this was the case, but look. i just have the latest example, and i gave an interview, it was related to the topic of the transfer of the rublev icon of the trinity to the russian orthodox church and a colleague on my radio asks, says society is split. this means that those who are for and against there is such

a cultural catastrophe. i tell him, dear beloved colleague, firstly, i just want to split up, uh, your broadcast. uh -huh. and secondly, the day before yesterday i talked with one, huh. let's put it this way: college- aged young men. he was neither a student at moscow university nor a student at mgim, but i mentioned this fact casually, because i was sure that they were talking about it from everyone, of course, this was said during the conversation . it turned out that he not only had not heard about it fact, but he doesn’t know who andrei rublev is. and that there is an icon of the trinity . it seems to me that this is a consequence of the fact that here he is in this shell of his, he has these micro-macrotome, influencers and majors. they don’t get to him, vladimir romanovich, you are both right and wrong, because you are young. yes , young people always have a slightly different level of interest and many studies have shown that after young people come to work they become more so. and as if ah,

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the sound of applications and smart speakers. and we today we gathered our thoughts about what journalism is. what and how to train journalists elena vartanova? yaroslav skvortsov and vladimir grigory, we continue. let's take the pre-internet era. when not all the irons were talking yet, i remember from literature from personal experience such situations when in some family in some community, you can say, please forgive me, well, a person who has not read kafka does not enter this home, and while you haven't gone to one big church event. a tv big boss calls me and says volodya i just read it in the federal news agency. about this and that, well, related to our event. if you confirm, i will broadcast this. can you imagine that 20 years ago. someone would say that

the agency wrote it and the person double-checks it. but this was impossible. i was listening to you now, vladimir ivanovich. but look, don’t you think that, uh, there are two problems that overlap very closely with each other. the first is, uh, the advent of the internet and the resulting consequences, and the second is commercialization. as you rightly said, so i’ll be the first. oh, what a hype, but i got a job question. what is my name? oleg told me the chief said, this is it, either there, i don’t remember, now it’s almost 100,000 a day, or we’re closing your thematic editorial office. and what should i do there for the sake of clickability of headings? you're at the very beginning of this story. eh, we touched on a very interesting topic. uh, regarding uh, presley beatles yeah. but look how interesting it is. here. uh, as far as i remember, uh, the most published, replicated, uh, in the world of composers, i could be wrong and i haven’t looked at

the latest measurements. and, in my opinion, this is one of the beatles. wait, this means that all the world classics. she's somewhere overboard. look at the speed, and the eagle spread of citations, background mentions, and everything else and some basic things. here's how they are leveled out. you yourself know very well that there is, as it were, the european school , the american school, we tie everything into a fight. if we need to apologize later, we will apologize and the concept of respectability is the same times, it’s scary to imagine that i will apologize for making a mistake, as the editor-in-chief reacts to, not the heads. to record first is the main thing to write it on time, but this is very wise, but today we have formats such as augmented news. this is still okay, but the news has been corrected. but this is our situation, unfortunately, so we will have to gather our thoughts, probably more than once. i have one last question for you. i would like

to ask you to dissuade a person who is going to become a journalist, that is , turn to him and say that there is no need you should become a journalist if you are. well , then that's what you want. don't you want fame? you don’t want big money, you don’t want popularity, you don’t want to live all the time. uh, in drive , always in some kind of movement. you don't want to be in the center of things all the time. don't go into journalism. thank you, you are not interested in what is happening on the next street on the edge of this city in the next city in the next republic in the next country in another continent, you can still live without news, ideas, not two and a week , the juices you have are enough for you

you’re stewing and you have nothing to share with others , you’re not interested in the world, and you’re not interested in the world , i don’t want it. thank you dear friends, dear applicants and parents. it was a brilliant master class. many thanks to elena leonidovna vartanova. yaroslavovich skvortsov and vladimir left home to gather our thoughts about what journalism is. what and how to teach journalists, thank you, see you again. hello dear friends. this is the podcast life of the remarkable and with you i’m its leading writer alexey varlamov a guest. i have today a wonderful director, writer , public figure karen georgy shakhnazarov hello karen georgievich we

will of course talk about cinema today, but i would like to start with literature. and that’s why my first acquaintance with you and your work began with no one, well, namely with literature. i was a student at moscow university and in 1982 i came across your story, the courier, in the magazine youth. i read it. i really liked it , and i wasn’t the only one. and in general, it was published in youth. this meant waking up to a famous morning. so you started for me. how they write as a director, how did it happen that your story ended up in your youth. i had such a difficult period. the first painting i made of good people was po if leonid zorin did not have success, and so somehow it went through. and by the way, my film was the most cut, and there was a period when nothing worked out in the cinema, like mine. so here it is. i began to write spontaneously.

so it turned out hmm the story of the courier. i don't remember through someone. i suggested showing in my youth there. well, yes, because youth was, in my opinion, 3 million. the circulation was impossible , i liked it and this really supported me then. why didn't you go further in the literary field? well, you know, first of all, i wrote a couple more short stories. there, consul gusev told me such a story, like the fairy tale i don’t remember about the dragon slayer, but they were no longer for youth, obviously it was like that. it was you somewhere i gave them away, but hmm to no avail, so, but here we are from jazz, in general, they accepted it from me. i shot a picture and this is the first one in overall, such a success. i had a pretty serious one, and then i understand, i basically became a professional screenwriter. and in general,

almost all the films i made. i wrote scripts, so i somehow have too much respect for literature to do this casually. you understand, after all, you decided to become a film director. so i'm wondering how this happens? yes, i don’t even know, you know, this is such a question, everyone comes up with some kind of global reasons. i think in cinema in general in this sense. i think i don't exception. that is, i grew up in quite such an environment. well, my parents seem to have absolutely nothing to do with art. as he says, uh, but there were, what is called very interested people. they gathered at our house. uh, dad was friends, lyubimov vysotsky came to see us there, some uh, famous people. in general, some kind of environment. accordingly, i

went to the theater a lot. cinema, of course, we all watched it back then, so, of course, in this sense i was predisposed to something, but when the question came up, i guess i think so today. what is this a movie? this is why beautiful women festivals are attractive to young people. well, we see some kind of festive picture, especially among young people. and, probably, i also think she was attracted to another question. that when you already come to it, you see that this is a very tough world, in which it is actually very difficult to break through. and in principle, is it a great success that you can make films at all? when i had a course, i remember i taught there a couple of times in africa, it’s generally not my thing, but i told them. so guys. the first thing you you must understand for yourself that, most likely, nothing will work out for you. this is a useless matter , maybe then something will work out like

this, and then in cinema you need to have, in addition to, a certain will to organize. this is a little bit like that. i say this in this less art. well, what you say reminds me very interestingly of shukshin’s fate , because shukshin seems to be from a completely different environment than you. well, this is the festive land of cinema in its destiny. so he also chose between cinema and literature, it happened when he was a young man. it’s true, having already had such a hard school of life, i came to visit the dust, as far as i understand, having seen how dust lives. watch the film and he would just understand that he was a very ambitious and very often loved person. he realized that the main prize in life was to be a director there, then he told all sorts of stories that he did not know that such a profession existed, but nevertheless he knew everything perfectly well, and he went and, of course, his goal was to aspire to the fact that he has become the shukshin we are we know him, but it’s curious that shukshin played a big role in your life, because ekibash, the very first graduation picture was

based on shukshin’s story, how did it happen? why shukshin why this particular story for me, by the way, it was a very important experience , because in vgik, how do you graduate from the academy? well, in the sense that you pass the state exam and then you are given a year to get a diploma at mosfilm then there were hmm, in each association there were two units for graduate students. we hmm since i have worked as an assistant for almost a year and a half, then they gave it to me. by the way, i was working on a film as a sample or there was a main reel in the glove compartment and he called me. he liked me. i drove him all the time, like an assistant. there's something wrong with him there home there it all depends. somehow he liked it. it is seen. he says, i say, here is the diploma. he says, well, the idea is to unite. no, she had an association of time, in short, but i started wearing the script and nothing resulted. i came across a story by shukshin

shereshak maira. i liked it. and then the signature circus began. i know, and there it is necessary it was necessary to have the signature of the rector and the signature of the editor-in-chief. well, this association. in short, i bring it to the director at huck, he says, okay, but let him sign this one first. here 's yours at mosfilm, and then you invite me - i'm going there, he says, yes, yes, yes. well, let the rector write, and then i’ll sign it. i drove like this for two months, then this misfortune happened. vasily makarovich died on the set. they fought for their homeland and by them. they both signed for me too; moreover, for me even further. i say, but in the script there. i script it myself wrote, but i naturally wrote it very much.

i fully adhere to the film adaptation that was required, but i was given consent by uh already ledkolayevna. i started filming. and i somehow decided that it needed to be immersed right there . village life, all this shukshinsky. i we found a place hmm copper village yes yes i, to be honest, uh, i absolutely liked it, but i didn’t understand it that much. but when i started filming, i was amazed that when you immerse these dialogues in this real life. you suddenly realize that this is incredible, really. i wanted some here god put so much under your side, but they don’t want to put it on the sides. with this stitch right here next to the side i wanted another one. i’m your doctor, i need a little something,

lord, what’s the fuss about? why did you go empty? i don't need your hay. you will kill all good people for grabbing hay. remember the a, by the way, i got that it was important to determine the gek. i had gaidai there too, when you know, the diploma was already a film invited by a master who does not teach in heketa, that was the system. i came and leonidovich gaidai was with me, but i was filming and did not attack grebeshkov’s husband. again i don't knew, well, it happened, that is, there really was a doctor’s role. and i somehow thought that i thought it was good. this will probably help me. so i remember, and there, how several people are watching, then they call you and ask questions. well, they called me when i was sitting so gloomy. and he asked me something, why do you have this guy there? he

’s riding a horse, something he started galloping on a cart. i say, well, he’s a young man there, well , something like that. well, i feel that something wrong is happening, that is, the result is not at all the same. i uh, i came out, i think, yes, maybe i won't get an a. and this was very important, because if huck got an a, he had the right to a full-length production. and the four is already the second director. that is, it is possible that the lootsiders sent you. but he gave me an a, and then in the evening he called me and said, well, i congratulate you. so i say, yes, well, you looked at me like that, i say, and he says, that’s how he is. look, he really liked the picture, then many years later. we met at the same eatery. didn't work at all gave the impression of this. uh,

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presents. allow yourself more every month and return 2.5% of your bet with bonuses. thank you kill it is more profitable to get a loan with increased cashback. we continue. this is the podcast life of the remarkable, i am its leading writer alexey varlamov and today in our studio, uh, film director, writer, public figure karen shakhnazarov but i’m wondering, here you are would you say your interviews? eh, soviet cinema. legend of soviet cinema. and yet. you yourself admit it? yes, there were so many difficulties, there was censorship, there were all these editorial councils. and so, it seems to you, this is the idea to return, yes, to take something positive from soviet cinema. it