[000:00:00;00] in order to endlessly finance zelensky’s military appetites, biden nevertheless sticks to his line, he said that the american abrams previously promised by washington will be delivered to ukraine next week, apparently, it is inconvenient to delay further. after all, nato partners shared tanks with kiev and the whole world saw how beautifully foreign equipment burned after attacks by the russian army. a large protest in bulgaria on the square in front of the country's parliament building with many thousands of people. leader of people are dissatisfied with the authorities' plans to open, then by order of the united states, another american base on the territory of the republic will have to accommodate 5,000 likes. among the slogans is also the resignation of the current cabinet of ministers, which refused to protect its farmers and allowed its ukrainian grain.

and also in the new elections, there are demands for a ban on the supply of weapons to ukraine; those gathered say that they do not want to be a party to the war unleashed by the west, bulgaria must maintain neutrality ; rally to the monument to the soviet army, which the capital authorities want to dismantle; attempt to demolish; actions installed around the monument the brawl has outgrown. until we meet, we continue the conversation. a wonderful one was completed, and private astronautics in russia we have three large areas. this is the development of ultra-light and lightweight launch vehicles. this is the creation of satellites and satellite constellations. and this is the analysis of space data. the three major areas in which we are working are already

producing results. it's already there everywhere. uh, our successes, and our main slogan is probably the idea that we want to convey. this is space for the earth, we are not talking about the need to fly to other planets, there populate mars or the moon no, we are talking about the fact that on earth there are still enough different issues and problems that need to be solved, and astronautics can help us earthlings very much in this, when i say the popularization of private astronautics. i always say that we , uh, not you and me, but people who are not directly related to space rarely think about how often they actually do. they come into contact with space, use the services of space, absolutely use the services of space. if those who are watching us now this morning opened their phone, but looked at the weather forecast or used a navigator or used some kind of cardboard, just the internet at this moment a person interacts with space. i'm talking about the

simplest levels now. and if we are talking about different areas, starting from agriculture, agro-industry, uh, ending with oil and extractive industries, all these areas very actively use the data that we receive from the satellite, so we are actually dependent on space - it is in many ways very dependent and not just depended, but space improves daily improves our life on earth. that is, you invented your own rocket, which you will launch yourself. uh, which will be a useful load in the form of satellites, which will provide information that you will disseminate on earth exactly in all these three directions. they are interconnected, but now since we are a young company, we are literally 3 years old. ahh. on the one hand there is a lot on the other hand, of course, for astronautics. we are still very young, and they are all interconnected, but at the same time we are developing them in parallel. and that's what yes, we are with we are now talking about the direction of ultra-light missiles. we have already had several launches. uh,

my second launch. we carried it out from the test site from which sergei pavlovich korolev launched his first rockets and this example. yes, and this was also a very significant event for us, and now we are preparing to launch another rocket into space. this will be another test flight and they will go further , faster and higher. yes, everything is exactly in our plans, and we will do everything that depends on us to ensure that this succeeds. who will use your services? which will you be companions? well, will they order you if people are companies and organizations that are interested? yes, we are already working with several companies that are interested in our services, and let me remind you that we ourselves also deal with satellites. and if we talk about what specific satellites are, then these are two main large areas of remote sensing. remote sensing of the earth. and that's the connection. well, the connection is stationary, it should already be a rocket. yes, in several steps. they

have several steps. we have one of these missiles in development. and just with several steps to reach the top ones. well, we are now talking about stationary pro- hers in a stationary army. that is, our russian private space company is developing if the investor. there are people interested in the project itself. and, of course, there will be a huge number of those who will use absolutely everything of your resources, and moreover, i will say that our investors are all russian, all this is assembled from 95% russian components, that’s right, if we are talking about rocket direction, this russian components, that you assemble the rocket yourself in your enterprise, as for satellites, the percentage of russian components is lower, but we are also working on this, therefore, and as for the rocket there, i say, plus or minus - this is 95% of the rocket. well, we have special areas where we do this.

most importantly, i wish your company to develop, to prove that in russia there are, well, private space companies, because here we are a little behind our foreign colleagues. especially the american ones that's why. um, i hope we're proud. e. in your company like you, who are involved in space. thank you very much, because honestly, this is what we lack. we don't have enough support. and we are often very confronted with the faith that we have even among the common man in the street. there is a feeling that private space exploration in russia is for some reason impossible. and when a person is an astronaut, he says that everything should work out. this is of course very nice, so thank you very much. well, you're probably collaborators with him, naturally, we we interact with roscosmos. roscosmos supports all initiatives. uh, private traders at one level or another understand that we will now leave such a complex topic, it is clear that we haven’t yet. and in our country, the instruments of interaction are largely between private

companies and regulators of the legislative framework. yes, this too. although already several years ago a lot has changed and it has become easier for private participants to breathe; it has become easier for private traders to work, so we interact with roscosmos, we understand perfectly well that these are our regulators without roscosmos. we're going nowhere there are, of course, some other issues that need to be resolved, because we quite often talk about how good it would be if roscosmos and private space companies gave the opportunity to use its uh, test base, sometimes to private owners, this is very there is a severe shortage, because private owners must build something of their own or look for some other options. but i have a very positive attitude towards this and let’s hope that over time i am sure that everything will work out for you. now let's get creative. what do you think will happen what will a person do in space in 50 years, i am absolutely convinced that, of course, space flights, piloting them will be more clear,

that there will be a huge number of satellites in orbit, and we will at some point come to the point that this will be necessary as - regulate. i think that people on earth a will become even more involved in astronautics and will understand what astronautics gives them, and this will happen. something like this, but a two-way interaction between people who live on earth and space technologies. and perhaps we already we will gradually begin to become some kind of cosmic beautiful. my guest was daria, a wonderful journalist and deputy general director of a private russian space company. i'm anton shkaplerov. this is a space stories podcast. this is a triggers podcast and with you are its hosts tatyana krasnovskaya, psychologist psychotherapist and psychologist psychotherapist sergei in person and on a visit. hello anna today.

hello anna, tell us what we came to us with a few months ago. i was diagnosed with severe depression. yeah me too. well, yes, several months have passed. i still cannot accept the fact of having this diagnosis and, accordingly, those moments when it would seem that i need to provide myself with some kind of self-support. well, there is no question of this , and every time it seems to be getting worse and worse. yes, i scold myself constantly and well, it’s as if from myself that you are now going to gather yourself, it seems, well, there is not enough strength for some basic actions. every time they scold themselves. this is lazy. how depressed are you, why are you even crazy? and something is nothing it doesn't work at all. how old are you, 21, and who diagnosed you with a psychiatrist. at the same time, did you undergo examination? yes

, hormones, that’s what you’ve been diagnosed with. based on, among other things, your physiological state and physiological state. in general, everything is fine in the case of severe depression. ah, or there is asthenic syndrome. there should be indicators of your hormonal imbalances. this is what your diagnostic picture looks like, as far as i know, there were some mris and all these brain studies. there may have been some changes there, and they explained it to me, but i don’t really understand , they prescribed you antidepressants, they didn’t prescribe antidepressants, but at some point i stopped taking them, because it seemed to be getting worse and worse. well, that is, there and in general, there are some side effects and, well , to go, let’s say, to a new psychiatrist, because, well, it happens that, well, it’s not suitable, it’s advisable to change

the doctor. and, well, i don’t have enough moral strength, like, i’m not ready again, uh, to sleep for days. i'm not ready, there again, uh, well, how as if there are basic forces now. yes, there is somewhere to go out somewhere, to go here. so, yes, i came here and and as if i was probably not ready to return. here at the very beginning, when it was 10 times worse, that is, now i can at least wash my hair from this series, and you came to a psychiatrist at a time when you couldn’t even help your hair. no, i probably came, a little earlier, let’s say. so, that is, when i just basically slept and slept a lot 24/7. it’s just that in general i came to work and work in the office, and i could make yourself some coffee and hold the mug and just like that, we ourselves made this decision, we took ourselves away. well, my young man insisted and said that if only there was a person. yes, you suck at depression and work. you have a young man, as

it were. well, it would seem that i, too, am fully convinced of this. but where does depression come from? if you have the time of a young man to work, that is, how would you have the strength to do all this well. and here you are. theater that suits you baby. yes, you have severe depression , depressive disorder, remember exactly how severe depression is. yes, they explained it. so, when they checked your mri, they did all your tests. some gave you at least some explanation of the mechanics of your illness, because, well, it’s a hard word . depression is probably not quite a diagnostic concept. but if you have been diagnosed with depressive disorder, let’s say, or severe clinical depression , this could include, well , they somehow explained how you don’t have it here works here doesn't work. and here he recycles. somehow you understood? uh, well, it’s not clear. yes, precisely in terms of any physiological processes, there is nothing special. we were there

, uh, plus or minus a minute to discuss. yes, uh, exactly what external factors could not have led to this in 90%, it’s like i don’t have severe depression. i just have, well, winter lethargy. it started spring and it got worse. i kind of hoped that this spring it would be easier for your parents to understand. this is participation in your treatment, they don't know at all. why did you tell me, well, because dad doesn’t seem to care this in general, and my mother, well, such a person is very difficult, how can i tell her once again and make sure that well, those phrases that i tell myself, what kind of depression have you had for 0 years, what a complete fool. well, why hear this? again, i can tell myself this, she will most likely react like this, somehow the manifestation of the meeting, but it happens there in the evening format in the morning format and that’s it. as if. well, that is, you live together. yes,

you live with your parents and living with your mother you manage to do. so she doesn't even know what's happening. you just chalk it up to a bad mood. what, how, how it should be practically, well, or if so, she asks something. i say that, well, are you just okay? it’s always been this way, probably, and dad also always had no time for you, apparently. no. it seems to me that dad always cared about me, and then, when he had more children, well, it’s not like he stopped loving me, my parents were divorced, it was my parents who just appeared. well, it seems logical that his focus of attention has also shifted a little. and well, as it were, it’s understandable. well, why him load him with some other problems, considering that well, most likely, he also has conservative views. and well, he won’t appreciate

this, my diagnosis. how long have you been living separately with your dad? i don’t think you got divorced when you were 3 years old. yes, tell anya, i’ll ask a question that might be unexpected for you. and at what age did you first encounter such a persistent, perhaps, feeling that no one loves you? i won't remember. i don’t remember, it means as if this is a reference that goes through life all the time, probably one hundred percent. i realized this. a little over a year ago less than a year ago, when i was also at a doctor’s appointment, and she asked me, well, about family affairs. so i say, well, dad loves me so much in general, but we don’t see each other, no matter how much he calls me. well, i know that she loves me more than anyone, and she looks at me like that, she says. well, what makes you think that he

loves you at all? damn, really. this was probably the moment when i accepted it, it was like, well, i heard it. yes , i probably didn’t accept that’s the point, we heard, perhaps we were faced with this reality maybe. but there are some moments, let’s say, that show that, well, my dad and mom love me. well, just in their own way, of course, they love in their own way, of course, they love, but not at all the way you wanted and we’ll figure it out, but look at the important point that at 21, in general, it was already possible i could live without love. but what doesn’t allow you to admit it as a fact and essentially fly out of this nest. well, until you asked, i was actually sure that, well, as if

i had accepted this moment a long time ago. why me and i suggested that this might be possible, but unexpectedly for you there will be a question, well , i started thinking about it quite early, and in general. it seems to me that i somehow stopped counting on my parents a long time ago. in general, i stopped expecting some kind of support from them, some kind of love, and well, it’s like there’s no such thing that i constantly think about it, that i’m constantly missing this all the time. no, well, just 21 years old. this would seem to be a period when you would have already found your feet, and even broken away from it all, but there seems to be a part of you that leaves you are always in this nest, waiting for the fact that after all, i shouldn’t, well, come to your senses and finally your lives will manifest themselves. it seems to me that, well, it’s unlikely that they are doing what they did. yes, not 21, they haven’t done it for a year, something is

dishonest. they just don't know how. they simply don’t know how, if you are right, they love, as they think possible, as they believe correctly , at some period, when they were getting divorced, they most likely could not have cared for you at all, and this feeling of loneliness is a feeling deepest dissatisfaction. it's just and yet, it gives birth to depression itself. now, if you and i try to understand the etymology of the word. do you already understand, yes, that depression is suppression? that is, there is the word press. yes, accordingly, he depresses, he presses, but it is very important here what you suppress inside, because if we are not talking about medical depression. i assume that if you had medical clinical indications for what is called clinical depression, you would have at least a clinical diagnosis of neuroses. that's why i suspect. something like a doctor called severe depression, but let’s just chalk it up to the fact that it’s some kind of psychological depression , some kind of depressive disorder. yes, and then we can talk about the fact that you

are suppressing something inside yourself. what kind of anya is this and what are the feelings that are suppressing inside? oh, never mind, what will happen if suddenly tomorrow you wake up as an absolutely happy person, what will change, what will collapse because you don’t like it. your work is a young man, will remain, this feeling did not communicate with her at all. the feeling where you turn around, leave, cross out. as you say, all of them. that is, you are suppressing that same anya who may not go to work tomorrow, stop communicating with her loved ones , and all she does is, i don’t know, enjoy the company of her boyfriend.

but there are some external 100% 100% there, but these external circumstances they, uh, can really be a problem in implementing this, but you decided to suppress it yourself; it will become even worse that i would like to kill tatyana now yes can you imagine it reality. yes, but at the same time, with everything, but i have a desire, to kill her, one option is the feeling that i am experiencing at the moment, and the other option is that i am sitting suppressing it , i feel it, then, well, now at least. i would look inadequate. i wouldn't have any interest in your conversation because that's all i did. i would sit, accordingly, and suppress this feeling at the end of the program. i would definitely feel depressed by now. because then you would suppress this layer of nothing, what do you call it? i don't feel anything, there's nothing. this one here, the same one the state that is above this press, and under

the press is your desire to take a sharp action