presented in some way. well, at least, at least in moscow, not in russia, yes, at least in moscow, associated with some kind of dacha state, as it is, at first, as it is, that it needs to be adapted to the local consumer in our languages, as i call it, because hmm if you cook pure scandinavian cuisine, they simply won’t understand it, because that’s how it is. well, let's say neutral taste. and moscow is so spoiled. well, in a good sense of the word , different strong tastes, pan-asian, asian cuisine. the caucasus is even more so you see, scandinavian food is not exactly what's on your plate. this is what’s in your head, and it’s very difficult to present a guest with just a partial product there, say, with some kind of juice that’s lightly produced. yes, you tried to put philosophy into history, but as a guest, not always. it's clear in language, you know? and that's why i say adapted scandinavian cuisine, even in my restaurant. and i adapt. that is, i read what people

want and would like to see. yes but with reading with the scandinavian touch, so to speak, yes touch. eh, but using some moments that will be close to the people who live here and understand approximately. yes, what is it, so that it is revealed not only so that i stand on my fingers and explain, and they are there? well, yes, that is, when they started eating, they understood that it was tasty, that they liked it. this is a useful clean product and with a line, just in line with the scandinavian readings. you can say that scandinavian cuisine is an intellectual kitchen absolutely 100% 120, even i completely agree with you in this sense precisely for this reason. she very often, uh, turns. here, well, my eyes are in my direction. i mean, i like it. yes, i need to understand the product from its application over, absolutely over what yes, because uh, talk to the people

who supply it to you, they promise to supply you constantly with the same quality, product for the seasons. naturally yes. well, fortunately, recently even when you and i went, remember, we went to murmansk. yes, but we dived ourselves and caught these urchins after all, in norway they bring hedgehogs from the butt, there and so on from the north they bring in new in new they bring hedgehogs from norway they choose better than scallops they bring from froya island also from norway but strangely enough, when i was there, and the pike perch that we they saw you with you and in novgorod and pskov they brought you from lake peipus to the gnome. so much so that we can be proud that our lake peipus supplies the best restaurant in the world with fish. you know what else i wanted to talk about? i know for sure that this is such intellectual food when it is served in the restaurant. you can't just submit. she definitely needs to be explained, she needs to be told, and this is the storytelling that is so popular now.

it seems to me that this is also an integral part of this nordic scandinavian cuisine that originated, which, it seems to me, is in the form in which it now exists, exactly when i was in my twelfth year, yes, just for me i was very impressed that when everyone is a chef, there are already a lot of chefs there. there are approximately 35-40 guests and for each guest approximately 1.6. yes there, yes, well, 50 per team , the rest are all interns and that means when the dish is decorated everything quickly, quickly. now he says, everything is ready, the landing page is ready, and you take these dishes. yes, every single chef comes with one dish. and let’s say a table of six people, the chef comes up and sets it up, someone is already adding sauces and so on, and one person is already standing and talking about firstly, finding out what language is needed and communicating at the table. if, for example , the japanese came, and there was always a representative of japan and so on, then they invite, that means the boss. who speaks this language, they tell him what is needed, well, tell him what we, in principle, know what is left there and they talk about the language that works in

the kitchen, they yes, and he is, and this is a tribute to culture, that is, then they tell it in their native language so that it can be seen that this is how you came to denmark, and in your native language, because i also had the chance to work with russian guests. at that moment one day. yes, the russians have arrived there were 12 guests. they were in the vip room. there was an old vip room in the house on the second floor and they ran up to me, saying there, they said, yours have arrived and said. yes i say good cheers! yes, that means they had service and every dish. i went out and told them in my own language, russian. eh, he explained it and it was just a thrill for me. and after that i just learned. so work, probably, in this key on this uh modes in order to explain to guests what is why? why and not only where did it come from? who brought her there? who survived the juice there, where did these apples come from , and so on? well, in general. eh, this is a funny story. yes listen since we 're talking about the fact that numa restaurant employs 50 people in the kitchen.

i would also like to point out such a thing as a certain social organization that is inherent in nordic restaurants, which make sure that the people who work in the kitchens of the restaurants are comfortable, but this is normal. i think i know for sure that you have about the same story in your restaurant. yes you do for in order for the cooks in your kitchen , firstly, the work cycle is twisted in such a way that the guys come to their workplaces at 10:30, the kitchen starts making preparations at exactly 12 o’clock. we open the doors for guests; by this time , freshly baked bread of two types is already ready. we have. eh, the baker, comes to read earlier naturally in order to have time to prepare it. here we go, uh, starting. service is open until 4:00 from 4:00. we turn off the service for guests' food. they can also come and sit in the hall, but we are leaving at this moment we don’t serve, you can order drinks, or

if you managed to order before four, you already, well, for the reason that you have lunch. and i, yes, yes, that’s why it’s now. yes, we’re having lunch. absolutely right. all the guys, just like all other normal people, want to eat in peace, and our team lands right in the hall at the tables. we don’t have a separate room where this can be done, so everyone wears clean , normal clothes and shrinks. we already have your personal food ready and, as a rule, at 1:00 in the afternoon you can also eat separately soup, as a rule, and the second one is already on such a main course from four o’clock, that’s where the full-fledged bread is also served , which is taken out for guests, plus tea and coffee can be drunk. calmly , we don’t charge all this is included in the price of the restaurant. money for this. because they also go with the guys and further , as they do recharge, as i call it, that is, for service in the evening, because the preparation needs to be completed, who needs a break, and so on, and at 5:00. well, we still have some sewing. yes, that is, it’s like before 12 o’clock before discovery. we have a briefing. eh, when we consider together with the waiters, what we have today, what we don’t have, even less, what’s more , and so on. what you step on, what is not on your foot and

also in the evening by 5:00:45, we have an evening briefing, we wish each other good service and are already working until 22:30. we have uh, the last fence. uh, order plus it’s also very important that your teams develop. and so rene redzipe created such a story as they have the saturn dai night project, but they do it on saturdays after services at one in the morning, mostly. initially, at the beginning of the week , five daredevils are selected who want to present their dishes, some inspired by work in a new inspiration and inspiration at the end of the week, they present their creations to the whole team one dish. they, uh, prepare throughout the week and agree with the bosses at their stations that they can do some work while being distracted from their main work, but only for a maximum of an hour and a half there. well, or how much they need, yes, or night doesn’t matter. yes, there are fanatics, they will actually work. and so at the end of the working week on saturday already when everyone is tired and exhausted.

at 1:00 a.m., when the kitchen is all washed up, everyone is already gathering in the lower kitchen, they say in the old way, but we were like that, yes, in the lower kitchen, and and so those guys take turns handing out two or three dishes there. these are their creations and they try everything, they talk about inspiration, and so in this way they manifest themselves and give themselves. at the exit of the fantasy, the chief himself is present, and rene also comes to watch some moments. they voice it. this could be analogous to some next season, even in our restaurant they make it a point to communicate with them. and that is, you get such potential, there the chief takes some of your ideas there. yes, it works very cool. is this important and why am i doing this? yes, i initially suggested to the guys that at first they know everything there. so i realized that sometimes you need to give it a little, let’s say. so i set the date. i say so that means you agree. you agree, yes, good, that means it’s pure there, you give everything away, and they start to get creative little by little. here we are trying to change something we look, and they begin to release in this way. just

hidden and squeezed, as i call potentials and talent. absolutely true. yes, but you never need to stop, you always need to work, inject new strength and give the energy of such a magical kick. uh, you guys are doing it to yourself in fact. yes, for development so that new creative ideas appear. here, and uh. it works very well together. the whole mechanism. you start buzzing. and to people. it's interesting to come to work. they don't get up every morning. well, i’m not working again. they say, this is what i need there today, i need to marinate this, i need to try this. and then there is no way to fry the scallop. we need to re-cook it today to get rid of it. so they're running faster to work. that is, well, it’s kind of a buzz with enthusiasm, well, plus, of course, you’re trying to come up with some kind of bonuses so that people get some extra money, a pretty penny due to some additional events when people order, because that guests come because they like the food. they're starting you can’t ask your bosses to order. there we have a private event and so on and so forth begins with the guys who are not

shy and are ready to go out somewhere. and this is what spurs me on and this is exactly what works. e for everyone, both positively for the employer, and for the boss, for your colleagues. uh, the same waiter guys. there is no need to forget, because they see how everything moves. for them, too, this is potential, the way we work. we are their penny, because the more cool things we do. they too, the more they will earn money. after all, first of all, no matter how it turns, guests come to the kitchen. that’s why you feel good, so the guys who work in the gym should be an integral part . here, uh, close together with the cooks, and often. i know, unfortunately, from those times. yes, but not everywhere the chefs are friends with the audience. unfortunately, this is why there are some clashes. these points also need to be reconsidered. i think, of course, yes, and then it works. powerful listen vitalik, i also wanted to know what you have

ask, surely you know this, renera zeppe announced that in 2024 he is closing his restaurant noma, or i ’ll say this, maybe honestly, because they are closing, and will now re-open the restaurant mind 2.0 will be 3:0. but in general, in principle, he stated that in the form in which the restaurant exists now it will no longer exist. that is, in 2024. it turns out, in a year. this restaurant will close and maybe, i guess. there will be more. this is how you and i have a fight now, and this will happen, but the paws are already coming they are so fanatic and get high on discoveries, because they, uh, want everything new. and this is not always possible, let’s say, done quickly, since you are launching, sit down, you need to skate the season. and they already have the next story on the way, and it’s impossible to change it so quickly. and so, most likely, they probably want, as i suppose , to engage in innovations and it would be possible

to use them profitably for everyone else, and his other restaurateurs, the chef guys, could somehow take advantage of this, also new ones. these developments. right here i have it, for example, i don’t have a laboratory. i think you, probably, too, to do some things directly, but to engage in discoveries of people who could be held, and they will figuratively do them for us. i believe so, and this can be used, because here i am, well, after the wound announced that he was closing his restaurant. well, uh, a lot of discussions have appeared on this topic and one of them is devoted to the fact that our restaurant is closing. this seems to indicate that that the end of haute cuisine is coming. no, i mean i don’t think so. i no, i don’t think so, i won’t share it. this opinion will explain why there are waves. it's like a stock on the stock exchange. today they are at their peak, then they go down a little, but still. you want to say that if you personally pay attention to the

grandees, they will still go to the top. whatever one may say, they are grandees, and therefore this is not the decline of haute cuisine. i think this rethinking is personal. you see, yes, he is a powerful leader, but there are many other people in our sphere who are no less important. contribution to haute cuisine and those people who love it all appreciate it as much as you and i do, even if you don’t look at us as chefs, but simply fans of what you can taste from the plate. well , imagine yourself coming to a restaurant. and they’ll give you a simple one and they’ll say that’s it, this is no longer a trend. here's what i ate before , tried, as if not. it's okay, we won't. we are difficult people to make up. that's the only way you are. well, yes, you were sad there were times and then you still go and cook. eh, just the way you want. i'm 100% sure and i the same, so i don’t think haute cuisine is going anywhere. it may be only slightly, so to speak, hidden, but it still floats out, no matter how you look at it. i understand correctly what you think. what is this crazy restaurant

waiting for him? the same best one that the ferran adria restaurant in elbuli at one time, yes , which he closed and eventually turned it into a kind of laboratory denis, so i was already convinced of this life and the driver. e rene is his partner klaus, as we talked about. they have their own vision of some kind against the background of these actions of movements. and i think that there will be something new and interesting, but at a new stage. i believe that despite the fact that rener zebbie's restaurant is closing in 2024 . uh, scandinavian cuisine, nordic cuisine, it's not going anywhere. it has always been popular and will remain so, and we will be happy to go there. uh, in these restaurants, our last culinary olympics means the culinary gold tanks, which were about to pass on the me-, well, some results again denmark, norway, no, yes, and hungary, in my opinion, is fourth on third. a

i’ll explain why. yes, because a few years ago, about five. yes, there or six, when they began to strive for the top, which is what the government did. they supported the culinary history at the state level. they hired a piece of trash coffee, known to us, who also works from a three-star restaurant in copenhagen, the only person in the world who has golden buck statuettes, and they are their coach, just the same. uh, we hired these people who have a strong understanding of this part of the structure in general and trained people hungary, so the guys, who are determined there, also have their own board, the strong one is coming. it’s like the olympics, but athletes also have their own selection. they won the guys who can carry it further and not fall down, that is, hungary last time and always in the top, because they uh, as they say, they sniffed and connected with the guys, who are already in the top, a long time ago norway has an institute the powerful bakizovo and simply fisheries institute, where salmon is still being studied. from its general quality and so on. they spend

crazy amounts of money. this is what happens if the boss is taken away competitions, then at the state level they pay him a salary at the expense of this institute so that he prepares for competitions. a swede, for example, the year before, he spent 163 days completely preparing a dish from a to z, and spent 163 days of his life for everyday training. from morning to evening. the training goes there from 6:00 in the morning , it probably starts, because you have to prepare to start and finish and then also analyze what you did today in order to perform clearly. that is why the scandinavians took a very strong position. even france has cleared this level, in my opinion, fifth or sixth. now the french this time were a girl. there was yours, and norway again, and the danes, emphasized that they bring every detail to such an ideal level that, well, it’s very expensive to look at, lyuba, and accordingly, you can take an example from them. they are at their own internal mental level, they live by it when they arrived. this is my first time in a restaurant in norway, so

the boss says, that’s what we have there today there will be important, traditional food. so boiled potatoes, this is where pintxo is needed. i say, i see, it’s good, and he says, i’ll definitely steam the potatoes. i’ll boil it well, i say, serve it. i say serve, i put all the potatoes in a bowl, damn, something is empty. potatoes, also dill. need some butter. i chopped it there and sprinkled the whole thing. he comes in, oh no, he says, let’s urgently redo it like this, no. they didn’t eat like that there 40 years ago. they want to see it like this now, because there grandparents came from the scandinavian and if they saw me now there’s a lot of potatoes with dill on this, there might be enough, yes, it’s simple, that is, you can’t not take a step to the left or a step to the right. and this is what i remembered, that if you need to do it this way, then you need to do it this way. you don’t have to come up with anything on your own where this shouldn’t be done. listen , it’s very cool that you and i had the opportunity to talk about this, yes, legal cuisine, and in general nordic is popular, but few people? they don’t know about it,

in fact, it’s very good that we talked about this today. i hope we have a chance to continue. well, today we number one today episode one. yes today there is one episode. wait. wait for the second but vitalik and i say goodbye to you. it was a podcast for chefs on wheels. all the best, all the best to everyone, friends, until we meet again. bye. this podcast is a must read. i'm looking at batnikov. my guest today is natalya usha. uh, the musician is the lead singer of the melnitsa group and we are discussing, uh, the argentine writer jorgelu and suborhis and his image of the world, like a library, natasha, hello and tell me, please, somehow

she is associated with the hilavis of the melnitsa group, probably after all. eh, with some fantasy games, maybe with the lord of the rings, biowulf, irish sagas, then suddenly you choose the theme of borhis and it seems that this is unexpected. yes, but if you know you well, you are a candidate of psychological sciences, a linguist and, in general , the worlds of borhis. they contain all possible plots and please tell us what you have in common with this writer. why do you love him? i'll tell you, yes, i'll tell you why. i chose this particular writer for our meeting, you know, if i had chosen some kind of scandinavian or celtic studies, i would speak here as a professional on this topic. i would include a lecturer like natalya andreevna, a professor at the department. and now we ’ll talk about registers, irish sagas, blah blah blah. well, this is probably not very interesting for podcast literature. so i decided that maybe i wanted to stay. in

this case, not a specialist, not a teacher, but a professional reader. that is, this is what i personally find interesting to read, what makes me happy, like readers in literature, especially since it’s somehow completely correct noted. i'm not a literary critic. moreover, i am not an espanist. i’m a linguist, and therefore it’s exactly the same as in all medical systems. i say, hello, i'm natasha. i'm a professional patient. here. today i want to be a professional reader. borhis was a professional reader. he somehow emphasizes e in his own. yes , this is exactly what is close to me, because until the end of his life he is absolutely in love with the process of reading. this is very visible, even in those essays that he read when he was already completely blind, very one can see how interested he is, in general, in principle, in the very creation of the text and the relationship between text and language, since

borhis was a polyglot; he is terribly interested in precisely this babylonian confusion of languages, which can be organized in the notorious hexagons of the babylonian library, somehow organized or organized by a brother . do you remember he has it? eh, an absolutely wonderful moment in one of the short stories. he remembers when he was a boy, when the books were closed for the night. he thought that the letters in them scattered and mixed and the viewer was a little surprised. who such a borkhiz? in general terms, this is a writer who lived in argentina and wrote in spanish, although he knew many other languages. yes, he worked somewhere from the thirties to the eighties of the xx century, a very long, fruitful life for a writer, and despite the fact that he became blind during his life. and in general, it would seem that this should have complicated his work, but no, he continued to work and

created such wonderful worlds and images , labyrinths or worlds like libraries. well , it’s interesting that he worked with a small form. this man, who has not written a single novel, has at least been nominated for something, and i understand him, because i am also regularly asked natalya why don’t you write? i'm not my topic big form big form. this is not my topic. that is, even if i take on such a thing, i will express everything that i want to say within the first two issues there. and the characters will continue to bore me. i 'll drop all this, because borhis's prose is so rich, every story contains some terribly fascinating plot detective. even a charade puzzle. they are terribly complex. these are his short stories, and we must remember here, whose writer was extremely loved and respected, of course, by the edgaralls. well, yes, that is, it largely

relies on charades. yes, like the stolen letter and similar things, that is, borkhiz relies heavily on but he continues. this work continues to bring this story to the absolute, as in the story about eben-hakan, who died in his own labyrinth, when it turns out that the killer is on in fact, it is this one who was killed, who is very often in his uh, well, these charades and puzzles. eh, the images are repeated. i even wanted to talk to you about this story from diverging paths. yes, yes, yes, which is dedicated to the labyrinth and is probably the most powerful of his stories. he's also a detective for a while, because we don't understand the murder until the very last moment. there is a murder, and it happens all the time, that is, uh, murder is not what it seems, and he often goes through this plot. he seems detective and connected with the labyrinth, there and with mirrors. yes, from finding yourself. here

it is interesting that i read this garden of forking paths. it worked out for me, finally. why borkhiz works with a small form. i realized that he himself created this labyrinth from the text. and here, from short, repeating plots similar to each other, he composed such an innumerable recursion. yes, he has mirrors in his labyrinth, which ultimately make it endless. this is such a beautiful image. and it is so applicable to absolutely everything. here we had a picture of the us sea in our screensaver. well, that’s exactly right. same thing, just escher. naturally, for the visual, this happens in graphics, and for the cleaning lady, this happens in literature. yes? exactly. yes, it really is similar to the figurative world of borhis, so we took it. yes , this is this, this is the tape, this is exactly this mobius motif of recursion, repeating and so on, the board was a man of begic memory. i think i know what his secret was. that's

right, judging by the fact that he uses this labyrinth in the labyrinth. he arranges some hooks so that he himself would not get lost in this labyrinth. yes, he scatters crumbs, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, that is, he uses classical technology and renaissance philosophy. this is a nosiological technique, a technique for ordering consciousness, which is called the palace of the mind; it was invented by such a cool thinker of english origin , raymond louis, and he came up with such an ordering system. knowledge, ordering memory, ordering in those facts that are contained not like in the trash attic of sherlock holmes, but precisely like the borhis an endless labyrinth where everyone has a mortgage. we believe dedicated specifically to this raymondulus. eh, raymondhal logic machine, that’s what it’s called, i tried to dig into it, but i honestly couldn’t understand when there were circuits there, it’s a complicated thing. it requires

a certain habit. just get straight into this matter, that is, but when you really, really suddenly begin to understand, you understand how simple it is, how simple it is, that is, i’m using my damn mind. i have it. he's quite strange. eh, but there are also hooks and they are mainly visual clues, that is , a certain image that refers to another image, to another image, and to another image, just like uh hmm in borhis's concept of cables why was he even interested? yes, this is a very important topic, kabbalah constantly appears in his mind and he studied it himself. yes, and she is interesting to him. again, also as an ordering tool, as a tool for studying language cognition, that is, exactly. this is the concept. eh, the pentateuch of the torah is like one gigantic stretched out and unfolded in all their versions of god and tree. yes?

uh, yes, the tree of sephiroth, which i actually really love this concept, because it can be applied to any spiral or well, spiral structure from dante's circles of hell to the dna spiral it seems to me, uh, how right it came with the ring in the form of the torah ring beautiful magical, that is, it is precisely the book of books, that is, the architect of the book, uh, enclosed in a ring, there is a game, and it seems to me that the game is also important for you and this can be seen in your work, but this is a certain a game of meanings a game of symbols a play on words and a very , uh, important image, when the whole is no more than its component parts. that is, when in one e, there is a multitude in a certain unity. yes, but this unity is no greater than each of its constituent parts. that is, of course, it is connected precisely with his love for small forms. it is precisely

what all these components that he must contain. uh, fit it into a very laconic form and. you know, what’s interesting is that we see this concept of the game, which he, of course, always has, how he gets high from it. this is exactly how he takes one and turns his labyrinth upside down. yes, here’s the wrong side, and she’s like , oh, how cool everything is, and we know the writers who follow. uh, to the behests of jorge our luis, and who succeed, for example, this is humbert, of course, and what kind of relationship did they even have, that is, were they somehow connected in real life, since there is, eh, i don’t know if they were connected in real life, but they knew each other without a doubt, that is, without a doubt. they knew and you see, here it turns out to be an absolutely wonderful writer's hello i i adore umbertek because it appears in the name of the rose. this monstrous blind villain library monk jorge who denies the existence and right to

exist of aristotle's book of comedy, what is the origin of the character? well, a clear hint, yes, a library of reforms, but if we dig further, we understand that in this way umbert eco takes off his beautiful italian hat and says hello to borgis, because here, of course, behind borgis is his character oveross, which is a medieval cordoba, writes treatise, and he faces. well, yes, an arab doctor, teacher, philosopher, he is faced with the aristotelian concepts of tragedy and comedy, and he does not understand them. poor guy uh-huh, that is, in this, in general, the whole search, that borhis has no sense of humor. no, i think that he just showed in such a crooked way that he really appreciates borhis’s game and that in this way, in general, the averoid from which borhis sees in the mirror and in which he continues to believe, he will at some point understand , what is comedy, but in the monastery of embert. eco

the library burns down and the manuscript burns down the monarchy. well, this is already separate. history is a library, then our work there is probably manuscripts, how do we not know whether this will become a book, whether it will be included in the world library? yes, these manuscripts are burning, natasha, as a convinced neoplatonian, i believe that the manuscripts are burning, but , of course, shadows remain on the walls of the cave, that is , our work is for eternity, and the manuscripts are burning, no matter what woland bulgakov says. well, let's listen to the song of the manuscript mill. now is the time of fire, don’t let me in, i’m definitely rusty

poems, but here the invisible one waits. be careful as it doesn't touch much. my midnight double he comes to you fall with her and the doctor and the beast walk along my strict log i keep this victim until the door closes. they didn’t tell you to leave, but they really mean it and a step back won’t change. he is my friends oh my enemies how beautiful it is.

rukovesina didn’t tell you, but they ’re telling the truth. and don’t take a step back, my friends. oh, my enemies, how beautiful, they burn you, who is your favorite, he is never me, as if ripe , cracking about my friends, oh, my dears, how beautiful

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in orchis. you know, he’s a borkhiz, in my opinion, he works no matter what. that is , he takes some of these short- shaped scraps. he has an excellent knowledge of mythology, an excellent knowledge of various subjects, it is clear that a person has been reading all his life. well, uh, he didn’t have an active life. my whole life was spent in books. yes, but he was actually the director of the national library. yes, that is, he is a professional librarian of the great library. here it is, you see, it’s my archetypal library. and it seems to me that he gave birth to many. here are some waves of culture in pop culture, that is, it would seem that there are a lot of it in the ass of writers and in literature too. yes, we again mentioned that yes, he has this this is how the game works, because you can fold a patchwork quilt until you lose your pulse, but until you have some kind of magic thread. it will not become magical; it will not become a flying carpet. that is,

let’s say paulo coelho, who can be considered an epigone of borgis, doesn’t work out for him, let’s listen in general. here he even took the title of a very famous story by aliyev and wrote a novel that develops, yes, yes, but this is epic. i’ll be honest in the worst sense, but you know, i read it, it’s a novel, in my opinion or aliev, uh, because he was mentioned there by my friend and on a general trip around russia i met a girl as a prototype, who was my friend, so i had to read it. although i don’t really like koel, in general or in general i was attentive and it turned out that this is the alif, which he describes as a state in which he falls into the past. i'm the one who's missing. when yes, yes and then i read the original source, actually. borhis's story, where everything is much more complicated, that is, this man who, uh, finds himself at the point where everyone converges time lines. it’s much more complicated than this kabbalistic sauce here, you know?

we can say that borkhiz is, for the writer, a creator who exists in a four-dimensional world, you understand, he has four not only our three dimensions, but he also has time, that is, he operates time back and forth. that is why he has this alphasia crossroads in reality trails. it's mentioned there. there's this chinese one, then to uh. yes he comes. here's to this chinese doctor who studies the heritage. here's him great-grandfather to find out that the book and the labyrinths are one and the same thing, yes, that is, he created it. eh, the labyrinth created the book. it turned out that this is one and the same thing. since it’s very interesting there, uh, this doctor asks him a question, and he asks, what about this chinese man and this descendant. mm. which word in a charade should not

be mentioned in a charade in a charade. the word chess should not be mentioned in the ancient chess, yes, and he says, i found the key to your great-grandfather’s labyrinth, that the word time is not mentioned there , this means that the entire labyrinth is dedicated to time and its different layers. that is, it is there. eh, this is actually the key. of course they are, that is, yes, that is, it’s just like the tetragrammaton on the golem’s forehead, so that the golem can work. he's just talking about this. vsaak were in the lecture about the cable so that the golem would work. he must have the right word, and if, accordingly, hmm, the garden erases one of the letters of this word from the golem’s forehead, and it turns into another, just as the word emmet truth turns into honey, that is, death and the golem crumbles to dust, then there is control over the golem also in the right word and the right letters, and it is precisely this opportunity. work with letters back and forth, that is, write. erase write. erase this absolutely amazing

unlimited control over dead matter that the jewish one acquires, which is for borhis text. this is living matter. yes, of course, of course, and uh, in no case are static constants that change, because the interpretation of the text. even though the lettering of its image may be fixed, the interpretation of the text will be different in different centuries. what is happening to us now at the construction site is that we are from the heights of our well-educated cords, models, arabs, yes , from the heights of postmodernity. that is, we get, third, fourth, sixth, superstructure, all these additional meanings, additional emotions that we invest not only in relation to the text, but also in relation to the author who wrote and just this postmodern. once you go toe-too-too-too and it just happens, the next steps, in one of the staircases of the borhis labyrinth. i think it also influenced

castaneda. it seems to me, yes, because in general you know the form itself, i want to mention that, um, when borhis started working. it was an innovative form of what is called makyum mantry in cinema, that is, it is a documentary film, but it is completely imitated, that is, in fact, it is an artistically created space that imitates documentary and this documentary, uh, which borhis and marks. eh, absolutely great. yes, that is, we don’t understand. was it for real? are all these people really talking existed, maybe these are philosophers who are talking or this is a product of his consciousness, we do not understand this, but it is magnificent. yes there are comments. here's from these comments. you don't understand, really. here he is or he really is telling the story of his own life. lightly flavored with this. the magic of time, yes, yes, yes, well, castaneda has this form of documentary. yes , conversations, actually with the magician. yes, this is the form he is

clearly. i think i got it too. looks like you know this, i thought it was just a matter of war recently. mm philosophy, endiorchla, and there, uh, a lot is mentioned, such as the image of a mirror, that uh, orchal loves a space in which there are many mirrors, and a mirror - this is a very important theme for borhis, that is, even in his labyrinth there is a person. finally he comes to the mirror. that is, if he goes through the labyrinth, he comes to the mirror and meets someone who looks in the mirror and disappears, and maybe even now vir’s duty is all that, as if, when he begins to understand the essence of things, he disappears the mirror. tell natasha what do you think, that's what borhi is blind, during it is clear in life that he read a lot, and he even writes himself that i actually did not live. yes, i don’t know what happened there in my country, because i spent all the time in the library. i spent all my time in books. but tell e this fact that a person becomes blind, yes, and finds himself in this world

of darkness. that is, this is some kind of forced disability. so, what do you think, uh, did this set influence from because i have a feeling that they remained stronger than him. the thing that he wrote already in the seventies there, here they are became more lyrical and precisely some kind of introversive, sharpened directly. it works in short form. but it has very deep details. that is, for example, he writes that a man who is still approaching the sea. he has not yet seen this sea, but this sea is already splashing in his blood. this is very accurate behavior. yes from the sea. yes, the notorious platonic shadow. that is, you understand, a blind man, he has a straight line. so that plato’s cave with shadows, yes , he does not work with visuals. he is already working with archetypes, ideas, and eidos, yes. things images and understand it works directly. let's talk more about this library of babel. how do you imagine it? and in this world is he in the library, is he

a systematizer, or is he a reader, or how do you see it? that is, this world of hexagonal ecology. describe it, how you feel it, hexagon, hexagon - this is the hundredth. that is, it is such a hive. that's why i have bees in my ears today. this is also not without reason. you're all about signs. i'm all about signs. well, of course, if we talk about the arch, then we need to operate, with his tools, that is , to operate with signs, so, of course, i am all in signs, essentially babylon, he has this babylonian library. these are truly gigantic hives. that is, i can imagine that, just as bees have an extremely complex hierarchy of creatures, that is, in the world of a library. there must also be a phantasmagoric hierarchy in the office. and i think that he is , first of all, a reader, an enthusiastic reader who rushes around these honeycombs with a hexagon hexagon and find something interesting for themselves, and it seems to me that in order

to become a librarian of the library of babylon. you have to go a long way , you have to go through initiation. yes, you need to enter some kind of orminal phase, yes, go through, that is , find this notorious tetragrammaton , or at least its semblance, that is, jump to another step. yeah, development, and then in front of you these hexagons will be ordered , will open up and become permeable in the uh story. well, i don't even know. eh, probably this is an essay, or maybe a story e four cycle. uh, he’s just trying to systematize, maybe all his endless knowledge, he gives a theory that there are only four plots in world literature, and we all endlessly repeat this plot. uh, taking the fortress. well, for example, uh or and yes and homecoming. well, the example

is also a classic dc which returns to the stage and e search is probably a broader concept, but he gives examples of timurka’s bird, which is simultaneously many birds and one bird that contains this set and in general, this is also the image of god yes, to which, well, eras with any ancient plots, well , ancient epic literature travel is all just the search and suicide of god yes , sacrifice, sacrifice is something that we can see in the bible and in narnia there, well, in the general set of european myths, yes, that is, like the sacrifice of a horse , that is, the ritual that accompanies the ascension of a king to the throne, that is, the sacrifice of a divine being - this is exactly the most initiatory thing. here of all these wandering stories that resemble precisely a leap to a new level. this is god's sacrifice uh-huh it's

this one again, what's his name? and ben khakan in his small labyrinth is what abkhan khakan’s killer becomes. abn khakan himself. yes, that is, he is the one who killed this state of the king. in fact, he was the creator, in general , of all this murder and an imitator. that is , his cleaning there very often repeats this plot. and this is, as it were, an initiation, thought out and influenced by the agent himself. that is, he sacrifices himself - it’s such a lonely thing, too, yes, it’s like hanging yourself on an ash tree. here. well, again this is a wandering plot. so they wanted to keep you from scandinavian studies. no it worked. this podcast is a must read. i'm looking at bantnikov. my guest is natalya usha, musician, lead singer of the melnitsa group, candidate of philological sciences. we are talking about jorge luis borgis natasha a. as for borhis’s personal life, i was very

touched by the story of ulrik e from the book of sand from collection of the book of sand, where he meets a woman. they spend only one night together. eh, there is clearly this blindness to mythology. there the hero's name is sigurty. yes, that is, this all relates to scandinavian mythology and the heroine’s name is ulrika, but it looks from one side. just like people who met in a hotel spent the night together in the morning forever. we separated. yes, this bathroom scene, and to borhis it seems like such a failure into some other world, as if this meeting was very important. and it seems very romantic to me. there also plays a role in the mirror looks at death. i say, now we still couldn’t resist scandinavian studies, because the fact that his heroes are siegfrith dash sigurd is very important, because, of course, borkhiz with his, uh, amazing erudition. he knew what it meant for a scandinavian hero. some kind of irresistible is not

a predetermined meeting with a woman, because a woman is for the scandinavians. that's basically mythology. this is fate, a woman who is capable of changing fate, so this is the mysterious ulrika who meets with sigurd. she makes him look. it's just a completely different level. this is an esenitsa, and a meeting, if it’s something else, that is, it’s like an onanka, you know, which is through a tiny death, because initiation is always a small death , an imitation of death. she forces him to take it to another level. that is right here. i love borhis so much in such aspects as an indo-europeanist, because, of course , they harmed european culture. yes, he is close , yes, yes, yes, yes, and he is exactly these he senses indo-european mythological clichés very subtly, maybe not even always consciously, of course, because you understand this directly from me? that’s when i see, this is

the king’s sacrifice of this woman’s fate. i think, well, my good one. how nice i'm morty creed. let's talk about his personal life. he's been around all his life. you can say lonely, that is, there are some women there. i see dedications of women in different stories of different women, women were, they inspired, but mostly. yes, he lived uh rather live with your family there with your mother. moreover, we have bread. well, at the end of my life , after my mother died, when my mother let me go. yes, this is a freudian story. he married his literary secretary, some beautiful girl. here. eh, do you think his relationships with women are so strange, they are somehow reflected in his prose, how can i tell you, huh? not a love author at all, he is not a love author at all, that is, for him , rather, these are all women in prose. well, and there in the same alpha yes, this is his beloved. she's already dead by the start. yes, beatrice of this witterbo. that is, in principle,

in his stories, women appear as ideas rather. oh, this is very interesting. that is exactly. this is the dead lover archetype. this is beatrice with some of her countless lovers, or this is evidence, yes , the woman of fate who guides the hero through initiation. that is, it seems to me that he has all the female characters. why, all the female characters, they don’t seem to be endowed with special emotionality, but they are endowed with power endowed with power, endowed and yes endowed with a temporary function, as it were, which must lead the hero to that point in time in space at which borhis wants to see this hero. that is, he never received the nobel prize. you are very offensive. i read it very sadly. yes, almost 25 times, well , he was nominated a lot of times and each time he didn’t get something. yes, in the stamps all the time, but marquis bypassed, although i also love marx very much. yes, but i like borkhiz precisely

because he gave birth to so many. that is, he it seems like a quiet library like this, you know quietly, quietly, but inside he is very tummy introduced a lot of concepts, then we into pop culture, because i read him, i see murakami and his chronicles fall into certain, and the corridors there are a different time, and there 1979 is the whole roman christian and crash, where e. there, people end up in iran during the revolution and are saved in order to find themselves in some magical time slice, and they do some rituals, eat black food there. and that’s it, in general, cleaning. yes, he sets some programs like quantity now numbers. yes, right now i’m reading alan moore’s absolutely gigantic novel, jerusalem, and alan moore’s, too, you know?

this is exactly the system, the principle of the wrong side, the principle of mirrors and the principle of traveling back and forth in time, that is, in fact, jerusalem is a deconstruction of the english family saga, just classical, and the family saga but us every chapter. it happens in its own time. it is not linear and periodically due to penetration. here she is, the conditional underside of the city of nartkan, and the characters are the same families from different times have the opportunity to meet each other. and this, of course, is just like that. such a complete borchia. here it is stretched out into a book that is called longer than the bible. that is, i would , of course, cut this jerusalem into half , but cool it is these four principles of four-dimensional space, where time is the most fascinating. it's very exciting to implement. i have a question for myself as a linguist. he's actually funny, but there's something about him. here, uh, borhis, he somehow entered the life of a russian person. uh, here you go this joke overdoing it with what do you think

the cleaning lady is overdoing? you are a linguist, i do n’t know who else i should ask, but it seems to me that you may have some answer to this question. for some reason, borhis remained in this comic language. yes, because, because, in principle, the very name borkhiz in the russian language evokes some kind of inner isidore of sibyl with folk etymologies, you know? and this is the root bor, that is, i take it and so on. i would really like to continue etymologizing it, that is there are such unfortunate surnames that their folk etymologies cause mischief, and with them you can play a damn mystical game about them. yes, a magician, yes, well, of course, of course, that is, the fact that even the author’s surname is fixed in the body of another language in the fabric of another language and begins to spread there, like some beautiful harmful weed of amazing argentine origin. here

it begins to sprout. eh, can you already see the russian language in the fabric of the labyrinth? it’s interesting that you and i found what move. eh, linguistic really, something explaining proborhisa and his immortality of his mind games. yes, he is immortal, because he is constantly repeated in the works of other people, plato’s shadows continue to play on the walls of the cave, continues to live. yes, the labyrinth continues to live. it endlessly recurses the mirrors endlessly into the office and lives. cool, natasha, thank you for the interesting conversation. i learned a lot and erudite is always interesting to listen to you and it was very interesting. so, as you can see, a writer like horhelu and borhis is very unusual. uh, thanks for inviting me. i really like to talk about books. you may have seen it under the checkout, be sure to read it. i am a purulent attacker. my guest was natalya usha, and

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