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[000:00:00;00] there is one important rule, to always be there, the premiere of the season, to be there, soon at the first one, we continue the conversation about the physical training of astronauts with coach alexander serdyak, and i’m anton shkaplerov, that’s what you think, you, well, having already experience, and having analyzed more than one crew, how do the indicators improve or worsen over a six-month flight? yes, the question is so interesting, well, for example, you get data, he flew away or spent the first days studying, he had a certain lifting of weights, and you see that he begins to move, that is his performance deteriorates, over a six-month flight, let’s say, it is the work in space that definitely improves, the astronaut, but the physical condition of the body for ordinary
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life on earth, and... also for some sports and physical education events, of course, it becomes less there are, let’s say, a lot of skills that are suitable, those that we don’t even control absolutely here, well , there’s bipedalism, just taking and sitting from a standing position, for example, something that we don’t even think about here, all this is not used in space , and accordingly neural connections, they both arise and are destroyed, which is why control... of the body , of course, suffers, as for muscle structures, yes, they are partially lost, especially those that are not used, which is why, in fact, we run, jump, do weights, so that our cartilaginous tissues were pumped, and the bone did not lose much calcium, well, that is, everything that is on board is still intended to stop the negative factors of space flight, but of course they cannot be completely avoided, i think you
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also remember very well, our feelings, we in addition to dropping indicators, for example, weight, yes, what weight we lift , frequency, approaches, we record a video about once, i don’t know, a month of how we perform certain exercises, specialists, in general, we are correct whether we do them, so there is always control, and the most important thing is that it does not cause harm, does not get injured, which is, in principle , theoretically possible, so your task is to save us, well, more or less, so that when we return to earth, we would be well recovered as quickly as possible, so we talked about baikanur, about your first trip, but you were lucky, you have already been to more than one cosmodrome, not only to baikandur, you were not so long ago, this is when your wife, anna kikina, was the first russian to fly on an american ship, that is, for her no one did this, and naturally it was she who accompanied her to houston, then to florida, the start itself, yes, that is, before the start she also
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continued to study. under your sensitive leadership, as well as probably with the okp, she was always in my group, then i also accompanied this crew, initially this the crew of the iss-68, this is crew training with commander sergei prokopyev, who is now in space, dmitry pitelin, a flight engineer, also, who is in space with us, but then there was a reshuffle and anna went to dragoni, now with the guys there, but also the support of physical training remained with me, we also had contact while she was in space, just like with all the astronauts, and when you were rotating, you met her, yes, yes, yes, i met her, at the johnson space center, that is , i no longer, yes, yes, yes, it was in houston, here, this is a cosmonaut training center, only american, astronauts, or rather, yes,
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it’s correct to say, i have met.” she was there, well, you met her as a husband or, well, as a husband, of course, i’m not going anywhere, but your task was to meet her as a specialist, then you were on a business trip, yes, of course, you too they sent you not just to meet her, but to help her, because she didn’t immediately fly to russia, how long she was there , i don’t know, a couple of weeks exactly, yes, 10 days, 10 days she recovered, after that she was able to fly , fly to moscow with these. yes, with one transfer, we got to russia, to moscow, we already met her here and continued rehabilitation measures, you say that you only met in houston, and she landed in florida, yes, why didn’t you end up in that place, i know the doctor was with her, our doctor, the center for sweating astronauts, her marriage, why were you not there,
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you are both a husband and a senior trainer-teacher, you were specially sent there to meet her and restore her as quickly as possible, but you didn’t ended up on that ship, but so it happens, i was just part of the task force, in the task force everyone has, as it were, their own... purpose, their place, their role, and of course, we adhere to all of this, so the doctor is mandatory, this is the first one who meets you, the crew doctor, and definitely looks at your condition, if necessary, takes measures, that is , during her return landing, well, splashdown, yes it turned out, you were already in houston, waiting, yes, i was in houston , i was waiting at the johnson space center. but since i had a role a little mixed, all the families went to the airport where the plane arrived, uh, on which the crew was brought, so i also left for this
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airport, i boarded this plane, we were already together - with rusana serebryakova, this is the crew doctor, yes, we are together they were already taking anya out, they put her in the car, then they were moving ... to the place of our rehabilitation. what were your emotions? do you remember when you saw her, oh, after her six-month flight, here she is back, a real cosmonaut, you know, i think that here probably, uh, such here’s the range of emotions, uh, it’s like, you’re put together like a specialist, but at the same time, of course, you’re just happy like, well, i don’t know, like a child, when you don’t see a loved one for a very long time and... you meet him, and i didn’t renovate, so i let her go to the station for six months, no, other astronauts, cosmonauts, astronauts, cosmonauts, well, we have very warm friendly
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relations, in fact, everyone does, so somehow, i don’t know, even the question is somehow here well, it did n’t arise, but here i don’t know, well, you know, there is work, and the team with which we we work, he is probably more, he is really very warm and quite familiar, and there are absolutely different relationships, the most incomprehensible in this world, the fact that it is comprehensible, a burning desire to see the true and most complete picture, this is the reason for a person’s desire for new knowledge, and if you collect all the available facts, then you can explain any phenomenon in the universe, on the path... understanding the world, it is very important to continue asking questions and finding answers to them, as they have been doing for many years in the intellectual club, what, where,
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when, the autumn series of games, on sunday on the first and always on one tv.ru. so, we talked about returning, then our rehabilitation begins. so there should also be the same trainer, a personal trainer, whom the crew has as a doctor, tell us about this stage after returning, and after returning, what do we see, we are used to seeing that the cosmonauts do not walk on their own, they are literally taken out of there capsules, it doesn’t matter if it’s dragon or our union, they carry them out right in their arms, sit them on chairs, and then we don’t see them practically walking, if they walk, then they are necessarily supported by either a coach or a doctor, yes, yes, yes, that’s true, in fact , the cosmonaut may be in quite... good physical condition, that is, muscles and so on, muscles, but at the same time he cannot walk maybe for sure, but for the reason that he is simply unaccustomed, his body has forgotten how to do it automatically, that is, the neural connections have not yet been restored
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to this action and it has not yet turned into automatism, and constantly keeping everything under control, especially after the flight, let's say so, from the station to the ground, the descent is quite a difficult thing, energetic, yes, let's call it that. so, of course, at first you just need to give support, support to the person, so that his vestibular system comes into harmony, he remembered, got used to it, i remember, uh, even after the fourth flight there, yes, but it’s like experience, i recovered quickly, that is, it seemed to me that i didn’t need support, but all the time i felt the elbow of my doctor and the trainer nearby, it turned out like this, if you walk up the steps, yes, i see the step and... i raise my leg and walk, if i start to get distracted and talk to someone , yes, i seem to raise my leg, well, automatically the steps, that there are 14 cm or whatever it is according to the model, but i forget during these six months that there are there’s still gravity and i’m missing a little bit, as soon as i turned away, i started
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talking la-la-la to someone, you make sure to cling to this step with your toe, i remember this exactly after every flight, it seems normal, what’s wrong with climbing three or four steps to the dispensary, well, i wore it from time to time, so, of course, we always need a trainer, yes, yes, well, our rehabilitation is divided into two large stages, yes, this is an acute period, when the astronaut has just descended, fresh, he still... smells of space so stellar - this 3 weeks approximately, yes, that’s 21 days, as a rule, at this stage we don’t put a lot of stress on the musculoskeletal system , that is, we need to strengthen it, every day, yes, definitely, the pool, which is heated specifically for the astronaut, is normal, but here here is 50% of success, let’s say, it’s easier to recover in water, well, just starting to, i don’t know, walk, probably not run, walk, right?
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yes, of course, the calf is already the second stage, the stage after 21 days, the crew, again with a trainer and a doctor, fly out to, well, some kind of sanatorium, in principle, usually the astronauts themselves choose where they want, exactly, good , when it’s summer, the sea, yes, sometimes it’s winter, but in winter we don’t go skiing right away, and where did you have rehabilitation now, now a’s rehabilitation is in pyatigorsk, we were there in a sanatorium, yes, yes, yes, in our fmmba, well, it’s good there, to walk, in pyatiggorsk, to the mountains, from the mountains, that is, what you need, the very thing, water, of course, yes, mineral, it, i, literally, for several , i don’t know, weeks there, was just in this sanatorium , this year, before your rehabilitation, that is, i went there myself, drank some water, yes, that’s what they told us, yes. he told me that the pros and cons of this particular place, i’m just starting to remember, the first
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time i went through rehabilitation in karloh vavarach, well, it’s an old one, well, not soviet, but a soviet-era resort, where i always go our workers went, well, like abroad, after all, it’s abroad , and then i was in greece twice, to crete, and i, too, once with the first official crew, we also went to... crete in greece, probably too there, because astronauts , they always share experiences with each other, where is good, where is good, like sensations, like emotions, like a state, so we are already following in your footsteps, it turns out, we also went with the forty -seventh, for you this is a vacation , so i know for sure that for me this is rest, well, rehabilitation, then yes, i worked in space for six months with a clear conscience, i eat, they give me a massage, i drink water, i walk, that’s it, but this is not a vacation for you.
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it turns out that this is not a vacation for me, it’s a job for me, but since i do what i love, i never have to work, i just always do what i love, i really like my work, my profession, so i can say yes, that i ’m also on vacation, i just have a number of other interesting, wonderful things to do, you love your work so much, but we talked about when anya applied. you tried to join the cosmonaut corps, well, maybe later, but yes, if you have such a thought now , the thought is there, we have open recruitments, yes, now they have been made open, so it’s very cool that we are now taking up space, yes, i tried to pass, and where, where did they catch you, me, well, obviously not in physical education, no, not in physical education, oddly enough , they caught me in the teeth, you can cure, yes, yes, yes, i think you have already cured, everything is being done , yes
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, now absolutely, there are chances, well, great, chances, yes, all the chances, selection is an interesting thing, i think that if there is opportunity, you definitely need to participate, yes, so that later you don’t, don’t regret that you didn’t participate, we continue the conversation with the coach, alexander serdyak, tell me what you remember most from the trip to america, from the trip to america, i went there with ... and i think that the most striking event for me, of course, was the start of dragon cru5, with your colleagues, american, i mean coaches, have you met, have you communicated? yes, we know each other, we talked, i saw them, how they prepare their astronauts, precisely the training itself, no, it’s different in some way, something they are better, the difference, yes, most likely there is a difference, i heard from the astronauts that there is a difference, well, because we still communicate, and what kind of ones are in the process of work. do they have
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anything good that can be adopted from them? good things that can be adopted, i think that there is always something to learn from foreign teams, these are some crossfit things, very interesting, they have a lot of work on team building, it’s also interesting when they are in teams, it’s the astronauts who compete with each other , well, this is such a competition more, probably, game-related, not exactly the kind that need to be won, but of course they are also divided into teams from time to time in different ways, but this is very cool, this is very interesting team work and is associated with physical activity, i think that this is very possible... it will also become more widespread here, we just said that you have a desire, plans in the future, to join the cosmonaut corps, and perhaps you will be the first space family to appear on the iss, there are such plans, you you are discussing with anya, the plan is a thing, of course, anya is here, she was here
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, she told us this, it would be very, very cool, it would be very cool, that this is just such a plan, just like that. unfortunately, that is, well, i don’t know what the training plan is, well, two cosmopts in the family is cool, i think, yes, i think it would be very cool, but how you met, it’s not about space, of course, on an abstract topic, yes, i’ll tell you, we met at a competition, well , somewhere else we could have met, but where else are we we could get acquainted, there were rafting competitions, rafting is rafting, on mountain rivers, on inflatables... well, they are called rafts, that is, it’s not who swam to whom, especially since i understand that women’s teams and men’s, or it’s somehow mixed, and the teams have separate men’s categories, separately women’s ones, well, how in all of them you didn’t fight among each other, no, we weren’t direct competitors, we’re just from different cities, so somehow it turned out
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that we came for these competitions, such a city, the city of gornoaltaisk, is the capital and separately from it there are locations on the katun river, there is the ilgumensky rapids, where the russian cup, the russian championship takes place, that is , it’s not easy, it’s good, enough, ratings, we have to tell you what she was doing, she wasn’t just in this boat , yes, of course, she was an athlete in this boat, as far as i remember, she was even the captain, well, for some time, yes, yes, she was the captain of the novosibirsk team, for a moment she sat in a different composition, well, also like athletes from time to time they go there and well , you won something from club to club, no, neither you nor she, about anya’s team, to be honest, i don’t think so either, for some reason you didn’t earn gold medals then, but at least you met, but
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at least i think that on these competitions, probably each of us received the most important prize, yes, we met, we...' continued our acquaintance, communication , and subsequently we seem to do some very interesting things together. tell those people who also want to join the cosmonaut corps, what should they do now, what exercises would you recommend, well, not just run, what would you advise , so that they come prepared, well, of course, we are there to do 12 pull-ups, we need to run, swim, if possible, than that’s what you would say pay attention to. pay more attention, pay more attention specifically to physical, i think that any athlete , even of some narrowly focused specialization, is already 50% ready, of course, to take a diversified approach to his physical training, that is, if there are
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any swimming skills , then questions or i’ll run there, all these standards are presented in open access, you can easily go to the cpca website. yes, when the recruitment is announced, there will be a document, even now, now you can already look, i don’t think that they will undergo any major changes, so you can easily rely on what has already been before, test yourself, test there too , where there are some shortcomings, of course, try to strengthen them, it is better to work with trainers , after all, teachers, because professionals, yes, professional ones, because no matter how not every person can prepare himself, but if well... to be honest to the end, then the coach-teacher will always prepare the athlete better than he himself, otherwise the olympic champions would not have coaches, they would prepare themselves and elevate them to national standards, here you are, sasha, you’ve been working for a long time in the space industry, you understand perfectly well what risk
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is, space flight, i mean, you were at anya’s launch, you saw this huge rocket, yes, you saw the launch itself, were you afraid, did you have any feeling at this moment at the moment of start? space rocket, uh, maybe you can call it more excitement, yes, excitement, worry, but probably no fear as such, very interesting, also our experience - literally the day before the launch of the rocket, exactly seven astronauts were brought to it, our cosmonaut, they showed us the rocket, practically, that’s even so, yes, that’s how i see you, that is, i stood near the rocket and... i could look at it, it was on the launch pad, where it was already, and its launch was postponed, and yes, there was a postponement, one due to weather conditions, well , it’s not critical, there’s literally a window there again in just a couple of days, everything’s fine, very, very
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it’s cool that you could go up to the rocket, look at it together, that yes, indeed, here it is, it exists, then we saw the excitement already at the launch, yes, of course, from the very beginning, when people come out, wave, sit in the car and they go to their launch pad, to their rocket and until the moment ... of entering the station, of course, all this is in such an emotional mixture, let's say, this is joy, of course, because this is a journey of 10 years, this is this, this is a lot , yes, 10 years, this is just such a period of life, let’s say, well, do you remember her first call from the station, from space, yes, of course, and when it happened, it happened, i mean from the moment of launch, they probably flew for about a day, right? a little more, yeah, they flew for a little more than a day, and then when anna
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called me, you were still in america, she said that yes, everything is great, everything is great, yes, well, you remembered this phone number, there’s a special one telephone, no, well, you can’t call it there, no, no, at least you’ll know, missed, that they called now, but i don’t know, it seems to me that you can’t confuse it with anything, just when, yes, you see a number that starts with plus one, it’s not quite... common at least for russia and you understand that someone is in space, then you’re unlikely to reset it, but really, very good, come on let's fantasize, as you think, as a professional, coach, teacher, what a person will do in space in 50 years, uh, considering that we celebrated 60, well, our space era, that's about the same leap forward, considering how they are developing now
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technology, which in general, yes we have humanity is gaining more and more speed of development, we are fantasizing, yes, i think that in the next 30 years there will be a landing on the moon with the establishment of some kind of stationary bases there, or at least near lunar stations, such orte yes, in lunar orbit. namely, further progress towards mars, i think that in 50 years we will reach mars, it must and must happen, i am not sure that there will be some kind of station and apple trees will bloom, but i think that everything will get to mars somebody will get there, let's hope let's hope, let's hope, hope for this, unfortunately, time has flown by very quickly with the space orgy, today my guest was alexander serdyuk, senior trainer-teacher, physical training cosmonaut training center, i'm anton shkaplerov, it was a space podcast stories, all episodes of the podcast lab project you
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what is the ability of some voices to evoke the listeners are in tears, it would seem, armenian music, but you probably won’t find anything more fun , listen to gevargaan, perhaps this is the first time you’ve seen this truly grandiose singer, listen to me, what can you do with such a high voice, for some reason i it seems that if the voice is high, the soul must be high. whether this is true or not, you will now find out. so, nared, geboran. but we will have one more heroine here. comrades, let you fully experience the entire massif that is called culture. before us is nani, listen, i don’t know. come on, please you, narek, introduce us to this very beautiful georgian artist. and this is nanna tatishvili, this is not only an artist, this is generally a person of limitless talent, but this is a japanese actress. theater tadashya suzuki and an artist, teacher, at the faculty of filmmaking, and today she will
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beautiful face that nani painted. this is such a dry ink, yes japanese, this is a technique, yes, there is kudoo, there is food, there are different brushes in japan called dry ink, these are programs. who wants to ask the question: which country was the first to accept christianity as state religion? rome, italy, greece, israel, or armenia, so listen, and don’t delve into the memory of armenia? of course, yes, i wanted to answer right away. yes, well, there’s something in this, i swear, nana, kaupatona , do you think there’s something religious in this appearance of our name georgian, you agree, i agree, there’s something in this face like... our great writer olesha said: this face was created for an epic fate, god forbid, who is it? these are my wonderful friends,
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musicians, playing percussion instruments today vitaly epov, tal with an armenian, russian on drums, your deeds are wonderful, lord , further, another surprise awaits you, we have a very colorful team, today, our dear friend from indonesia, hello, very nice, me too, key today ours is a musician, travelers, philosopher, and tony karapetyan, well, at least there should already be something from yerevan, and i’m from yerevan, but please tell us how you came to the first channel in the voice program, you know, i’ve been for a long time, before getting to the vote, i watched this competition, followed it, and it struck me that a live orchestra performs... which i absolutely love and of course i decided that this is the main vocal music competition in the country and i need to take part, zhilin worked as a superviser, but well, not really, we worked
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independently at first, but sergei sergeevich’s orchestra, of course, can do anything , and we implemented it all on stage, and it seems to me with success, this is an amazing thing in yerevan, gentlemen, i don’t know a single anecdote that in all 30 years of our friendship. uncle jivanga would have told me. i have not heard one, not one anecdote from the great armenian musician alkhas, if anyone knows the history of jazz, oh, this pianist, listen, but i heard it all, stories about the great history, the five-thousand-year history of the armenian nation, don’t you think, young man, that this, that this is you, these are grandfather’s, you know, you sing songs, modern ones, where is this disco, where is everything, and i... moved away from this, fortunately or unfortunately, i don’t know, sacrificing some kind of popularity, but i’m sure that the music we play, will become popular because by going back to my
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roots, that's who i am today i’m studying, i thought that it would be better, it would be easier for me to understand this world , and so there was such rich music - here in the 16th-19th centuries, i want to build a bridge between the past and the present, and add a little progressiveness, which is what my dear ones and i are doing we rank everything together, there is no specific arranger, these are initially my surreal ideas , which we implement with friends at rehearsal, so that it sounds like sayat nova nazani, around this great one, i consider a poet
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and slave... so i discovered that there are such complexly composed songs and poems, rich in philosophy, allegories, i decided that this needed to be shown to the world, well, you are playing komitas, komitas today, i can sing akapela, komita, let's imagine that you are catholicos, and in front of you is
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