[000:00:00;00] to quarrel with everyone, to end this country, for them this is the most delicious realization they can’t get enough of, so we are dealing with a very terrible enemy, he calmly sacrifices interests when it is in georgia, and the enemy is the united states, this is not pashinyan , pashinyan turned out to be when he entered into a criminal conspiracy with soros, we missed this a little, in my opinion, if this is our area of ​​responsibility, in general, as soon as a person is photographed with soros, he is a person... otherwise the people who are represented will disappear, you know , this is very scary thing, if we ourselves don’t see it, then it won’t be pashinyan who will pay, but our armenian brothers will pay, and the number of deaths, and tens, hundreds of thousands of people who will die, look what’s in ukraine, look what’s

really in georgia, as soon as sores or some other envoys of the west appear, they immediately arrange and provoke a conflict, as a result, it is not the pashinyans or the americans who pay, as you have shown many times, but this time the armenians can be sacrificed by all armenians, it’s just that what will happen next is unpredictable , if the russian factor is from there remove, the situation is simply completely playing with the fate of the armenian people, this is the worst thing, and if the armenians do not see this, but we have to for them, we have taken historical responsibility for them, we should have seen enough of this photo, it’s worth... pashinyan smiles soros with one photo so that we won’t hear anything else for a while. thank you, on september 12, at the plenary session of the eastern economic forum, vladimirovich putin, in one phrase, defined new, new realities in the armenian-azerbaijani settlement, he said that there were no

claims against russia. there cannot be a position on karabakh, because prime minister pashinyan recognized karabakh as part of azerbaijan, which means this was done, we know in prague, then it was done twice, in the absence of russia, after consultation under the auspices of the european union, he went to the reason, so to speak, he initially followed this reason, all this is clear, the events that followed after september 12 absolutely confirmed the correctness of our president’s assessment. pashinyan threw karabakh, demonstratively, absolutely distanced himself from karabakh, and in fact from the residents of karabakh, there is no need to tell us to drag us there, we will not allow it, so to speak, this is not ours, resolve issues directly with azerbaijan, then he is now talking about some kind of peacekeeping operation , let him ask baku, i mean, does baku want such an operation, this is the territory of azerbaijan

, well, so to speak , to discuss such questions with a neighboring sovereign state, the answer is clear there, which means, in addition to responsibility, historical, in addition bonds ties, russia with armenia, by the way, we have very close ties with azerbaijan, take , of course, the history of both the russian empire and the soviet union, so to speak, yes, yes, post-soviet history, it’s not just about responsibility, and it’s not just about that we have... the dkb and armenia, so to speak, in this organization, this is a space that, i have the caucasus, transcaucasia, which is directly connected historically, not only with fate, connected with russia, but with our security, with the well-being of russia our citizens, look how many armenians lives in russia, how many azerbaijanis live

in russia, these are millions of people. the vast majority no one has absolutely no plans to leave here, so to speak, they feel good here, they live, work, so to speak, it ’s great, yes, they find everything they need here, which means these are issues of our safety, our responsibility for our safety , this is what the west is doing there, not only the united states, britain, this is the wonderful name of our program, i am constantly amazed, the big game, this is the traditional big game of britain, and then the united states, in the caucasus, in particular, oust russia, quickly fill the vacuum, manage its affairs, leave outposts, not necessarily in the form of bases, in the form of presence, influence, then , so to speak, move on with business, the main thing is that russia does not come back, which means, well in a nutshell, it won’t work, because for them this is a big

game in quotes, but for us these are issues not only of... historical responsibility, these are issues of our security, stability, and these are issues of truly bonds between millions of people, and us. .. without fail, i am absolutely sure of this, we will defend these interests in the most firm way, i hope more, we will not be fooled by any , so to speak, promises, nothing, yes, well, before , maybe the conditions were slightly different, and pashinyan, well, today pashinyan, tomorrow is not pashinyan, pashinyan is not the entire armenian people, as joseph stalin said, on another occasion, hitler comes and goes, but germany remains, and that’s of course. with even greater grounds can be said about armenia and senators, i believe that you said the most important thing, if someone hopes, someone expects that russia will leave this region, it will not leave, i really want to say

, don’t get your hopes up, and if someone is afraid that russia will leave armenia, i would tell them, don’t worry, unless, of course, armenia itself makes a choice , when russia will not have the opportunity to support it, and it will only be necessary to defend its geopolitical interests, but in this case, i am sure, russia would not have left the region, it was a big game, we will meet tomorrow on the air. hello, this is an easy money podcast and i am its host, mikhail khanov. i have today

a very unusual guest for our podcast, this is clinical psychologist svetlana nazoeva. hello, svetlana. hello. i know that you are a personal psychologist for many top managers, largest companies, rich, successful people. and the first question that comes to mind is to ask you, is it true that the rich cry too, but the topic of the program is completely different, it is more interesting, deeper, it is the psychology of poverty and wealth, what distinguishes poor people from rich people, what distinguishes them way of thinking, why some manage to get out of poverty, never to others, well, the most important question, that’s just what they call a primer, just to distinguish a rich person from a poor person by image and... yes, of course, yes, poor person, i myself come from a very poor family, yes, and i went to

a certain financial state, through various difficulties, and what kind of difficulties are these, this is the first limitation in everything , food, clothing, transport, travel, and if you look at a person who does not have such an opportunity, let’s say, a poor person, yes, he does not have in essence, the choice is very limited, these are the limiting stories, yes a person is prevented from moving forward, that is, these are certain attitudes in the head, are they your own, or are these the attitudes of the existence around you, the surrounding existence, where we were born , to what extent existence is determined by consciousness, that is , it turns out, well, is it important or not, important, yes, so i was born into a poor family, my grandmother was poor, my mother was poor, there wasn’t enough money for food, well, yes. so yes, i used laundry soap instead of shampoo, washed my hair, yes, for example, we ate eggs instead of, let’s say, abundance, because my mother the salary was given at work in eggs, you told

yourself that i would never live like this again, i give myself the attitude that i want to live differently, that’s all it was, that’s when you started telling yourself this, i saw in my teenage years , when i saw that my friend, with whom i began to live, lives differently, i came to visit her , she ate, they had pies on the table with meat, with onions, with eggs, with apples, well, this is very detailed , at what age did you set yourself the goal that i don’t want to live like this anymore, probably starting at the age of 15, and what for this had to be done, the first thing i decided for myself was that i needed to go to study , if i couldn’t go to college, i wouldn’t be able to yes... great, that is, you, in fact, here i would like to talk a little about how, here you are as a clinical psychologist and as a consultant, yes, you could just say some criteria, this is what you for yourself, when talking with a person, let’s say they are dressed exactly the same, yes, they, they both have

competent speech, they are sufficiently educated, so you can determine which of these people are mentally predisposed to success, well, i don’t like this word, to wealth, yes, well, let’s say, to making money for that. to lead a decent lifestyle, let’s say, there, well, above average, and in the country in which he lives, and a person who, in principle , will live like this at the level at which he is now will never take a step up, i want. here to tell a story, today i was driving here by taxi, and the taxi driver was a very amazing person, yes, who worked in large companies, and his income was more than 20 million rubles a month, and he drives me like a taxi driver, you know, yes, and i say , i start talking to him, or rather , he overheard how my assistant and i discussed certain issues, entered into our dialogue, and he talks about that that everything has collapsed and

i can’t go any further. and in the process of the dialogue, i understand that he giggles a little, the way of life, oh, the way of thinking, i still want to bring him to this, to the fact that he begins to devalue what i say, when we begin to devalue, we let's stop to hear, that is, in fact, a person claims that the way i live suits me for some reason, and beyond my control, i can’t do anything, which means that what is beyond this threshold of my... perception and my existence, this is all wrong, and lack of interest, that is, in fact, the criterion of poverty is the fact that you accept this poverty as such, you begin to blame everyone around you, that you are poor precisely because circumstances have developed in such a way that you have something it didn’t work out and so on and so forth, but the main thing is that the way they live, and somewhere out there they are these bokachi, well, they cry there too, they have their own problems, they feel bad there, but i feel so good, but it’s like a secondary benefit, you to me.

it’s beneficial for me, i don’t want to be bad, like these bad, rich people, it’s convenient for him to be poor, if this is your practice, the concept that it’s convenient for people to be poor, but look how it’s expressed, here we have all the cartoons, fairy tales, what a rich person is a bad person, a rich person is an evil person, and unconsciously i don’t realize, yes, i don’t want to be rich, because that i don't want to be bad, because... it's bad and evil, do you want to be bad? no, no, we all want to be good , we want to be loved, you know, but the rich have nothing to love, but the poor, he’s poor, unhappy, so good, you know, he feels sorry for himself, naturally, that is, it turns out like this a vicious circle, i feel sorry for myself because nothing worked out for me , but that’s good, because i’m good, everyone around me is good too, they’re bad and i don’t want to go there, how

to break, break, risk being bad, you know, this is the formulation, a good thesis, a very, disgustingly rich man, he is disgusting, you understand why, for whom, disgusting is an adjective, who, who is his, for whom for another poor person, yes, well again, such here we have a generally accepted formulation in social networks: poor rich, just envy, no, when you say that another person is disgustingly rich, this is your latent envy, that is...' you express your attitude in such adjectives to this, that is, in fact it is necessary fight envy, no, don't fight envy you need to fight, yes, envy has, but there are two, like a coin, yes, two sides, there is constructive envy, yes there is destructive, constructive, i also want that, how can i make it so that i have it, and go learn from this person , whom i envy, adopt some of his actions , yes, which he performs, to what extent... this is the approach people have, that their constructive envy

develops into a need into a desire motivates a person to change himself, unfortunately, it is very difficult for a person to come to take control of feelings, and envy - this feeling, it is a strong feeling, it can capture you so that you go into effect , you cannot cope with this feeling, there is another story, yes, when we learn self-regulation, mental processes, when we can take control of feelings, this is to stop, slow down, understand what is happening to me now , i envy, great, then say envy, i’m glad to see you, you just stay here for now, i’ll figure it out, be happy about this feeling, because feeling is an indicator of where i should go, here imagine this situation, yes, you came to the theater, you like the ballerina who dances or the singer who sings, you have energy inside you, those who sit in the front row in the stalls buy

great, you like what kind of people they are, who they are, how they are bought this ticket, this is curiosity, yes , it prompts action on a question, on a task, here i turn on the negative part of this medal, i say, well , they are bad people, they are evil, they stole, they plundered the budget or something else like that, i say, well, thank god, but i don’t rich, i’m poor and i feel good, i’ll sit in row 115, no, the task is how to take this step here, i’m still trying... to understand, this is what should be an incentive, is a person able to cope with this on his own, or you need to find an example, an example, it is imperative to find an example, yes, that, how to move from this composition, naturally, we have many people who have evolved from a poor state and who have made a great contribution to the development of man, all the examples that i will give, i understand correctly, that the example should be native and close from the next door, preferably from a neighboring apartment, that is, we can take an example, we can see, look at the biography of a person, how he

came to this, well, the example of mikhail vasilyevich lomanosov is not very motivating, yes, not everyone comes from arkhanelsk on foot with a fish train , found universities, that is , at least approximately... there are some criteria, maybe more than one, how do the ways of thinking of rich people differ from the way of thinking of poor people? a person who has reached certain heights, if you ask how he lived, he lived in a state oppression, you know, it’s always uh, there was some kind of flawed state, at this moment you want, as if to win the trust of other people through education or something else, you know? lives in poverty now, they also have the same limitation on resources, on opportunities , they don’t go on vacation there, they never have such an opportunity, they don’t have enough money even until the next salary, and yet some of them take steps out of this state , others are not, they are also in these cramped positions, what should be in thinking that should you, i’ll introduce this to what, that there is some kind

of skill that maybe can be trained or is it innate, but it can be trained, yes, but this is always a question, you know, how such observation, when i'm... interested in everything that's around me, when i'm not sitting, not lying on the couch at home, not watching tv, and when i'm interested, well, not on the couch is also interesting, yes, that's a fact, but watching tv, yes, if you are traveling, if you go to a museum, listen to music, there is nothing to travel for, why i’ll start with myself, yes, i didn’t have the opportunity to go to a psychologist, but it was very important for me, and i found a hot, free hotline, yes, where i could consult just about psychology, it’s a question of searching, what question did you ask , when they called the hotline, can i talk, i feel very bad, and how old were you, i was 20, 24 years old, well, you have already taken some steps from that small town where i was born, you know, it is very

important who the enlightened people are, yes, that ’s where it came from, this name, this word, yes, this is when people left small villages... they returned to another village, they were enlightened, they went somewhere, learned something, came with new information. svetlana, then let’s move on to specifics, your example is very indicative, but here everyone is interested, of course, in examples, top managers, rich people who everyone hears about, whom you advise, uh, let’s start with a simple one, here’s the opposite question, yes, if such people have a fear of poverty, a fear of going back, and what to do about it? always, i'm with i always encounter this... a person comes to me, yes, especially at, uh, i would say , a startup, yeah, yes, when he already more or less has some money, and continues to develop, yes, and he comes and says, i’m afraid to go back, i’m afraid to slide down there, what’s happening, fear is a feeling, why is this

happening, svetlana, well, because the person had the experience of being poor, suddenly he had money, he’s afraid of losing, yes, what i advise, i work in the field of self-regulation, i have already said that we are testing this world with the help of feelings and emotions, yes, i recommend sorting out this feeling , this fear, what it is, a fantasy, a fantasy about past experience, which i rely on, because there is no new one, i fantasize, yes, i’m starting chasing thoughts, obsessions in my head, yes, i’m starting to think , what if these excellent self-regulation of mental processes, when i control my feelings, when i realize my feeling, start a dialogue, dialogue is a natural self-regulation, where it came from, that is, that you recommend people to dig,

you know how i always say that when you are in a bad or good mood , you can say, well, everything has piled up there or , on the contrary, everything is fine, but always when you go to bed, let’s say to sleep, but when you are alone, no one is there for you didn't leave. and when you analyze the situation, you can always say what kind of event made it so that you are in a good or bad mood today, well , when everything, everything, everything is bad, you think, okay, this is this, this is what i endured, but always there is some point that is bigger than you all the damage and it was this that became the decisive factor that dumped you into this depression, i understand correctly that you need to look for such a point and then work with your fears in this direction, yes, absolutely right, but again i come back to this a complex term, yes, this is self-regulation, what is it, i am aware of my feeling, well, for example, my loved one told me something that offended me, it’s normal to have such feelings, right? we don’t deny them, we admit them, so i’m offended by what?

to the fact that my sister, for example, appreciated me, she devalued me, i would say so, and of course i’m offended, and i begin to think not about that, not about myself, but why did this person do this, what happened to him? it’s a matter of understanding, to understand, to understand why he did it, and it will become easier, but when i saw that, for example, a person, yes, well, is limited. she envies me of herself, and she can’t cope with it, this envy comes out with this poison, let’s say, yes, and i wanted to feel sorry for her, and my resentment went away, it’s very important to clarify this moment, yes, call and say, you know, i understand you very much, yes, well, here i was in a lot of pain, how can i help you, that is , it turns out, in order to become happy and so that you are not offended, well at least your inner circle, you should, everyone around you. also what is called raising, also making partly happy, sharing your part and sharing yours , just understand, understand why, what

prompted him to do this or say this, this is not aimed at me, well, for example, yes, if mom screams, why is she screaming, mom deprived herself of attention, directed all her attention to raising her children, but she’s not there, that is , it’s difficult for her, if she took time for herself, she wouldn’t scream. you see, that’s all, because you said, svetlana, doesn’t understand her, that is, returning to this term, to this phrase, remember the quote from the famous film, we’ll live until monday, that the boy wrote the poem happiness is when you are understood, very beautiful , that's right, it's a very beautiful phrase, i think everyone should write it down, their own happiness is when you understand yourself , the happiness of those people who are around you, when you understand them and in fact you should not be afraid to tell them this, returning to the psychology of poverty, the question is how much. the generation has changed, the generation to which, well, from happiness you and i belong, yes, the generation of soviet children, when we lived, that

i’m saving for a rainy day, there this service is for certain holidays, rather than rich there is nothing to start with, and honestly, you won’t make any money at all, but among young people, the so-called z generation zero, it is different mentally, different, they develop faster due to information, you know, a lot... do they have a fear of remaining poor? you know, i think they don’t even think about it, we thought about it, they just take it and do it, that’s what you said at the very beginning, they just follow their example, we had a limitation, no information , everyone lived approximately the same, you see, that’s all, i went to school, everyone was the same, and before their eyes are examples of dozens and hundreds of successful peers, they understand that in in principle they are not gods, they burn, yes, as we say, they can do the same thing, but for this you need to do something, then you already blame yourself, well, i’m like that, because i don’t

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sberbank programs. this is an easy money podcast and i am its host , mikhail khanov. today my guest is clinical psychologist svetlana nazoeva. you can see all episodes of the easy money podcast on the channel one website. one more question, this is an interesting one, it is very close to me. that's why i would like to ask it. there is such a dunning-crewing effect, when people are highly educated, experienced, professionals, they devalue themselves, they devalue their knowledge, opinions, it seems to them, well, what’s wrong with that? everyone knows this, yes, when i express my opinion, i always consider the people around me that they are on the same level, well, i’m partly ashamed to receive them there, yes, on the other hand i think, well here from that, from the information that i’m talking about, and then you are faced with the fact that on the other side people say, wow, you know so much, and so

on, and you say things like that, where are you from? you know, on the other hand, people who are at the lowest stage of development, and what are you, and they, well, they are so, they categorically declare that you know, like a fool has his own truth, so they say it, categorically , you think, but if a person is so sure, it’s probably true, yes, this is the so-called danin kruenig effect , which... many successful people suffer, among your patients there are such, you know, in simple terms, such the impostor effect, well, giving a specific one there example, yes, here i am to myself, yes, what’s wrong with that, i host this program, i host this podcast, well, it’s nothing complicated, very smart people, professionals come to me, i just ask them, i’m trying to figure out the situation for myself, everyone, how smart he must be, here he is on tv, there or on youtube, but how to deal with this, how to raise your own self-esteem, well , well, let there be a patient, so the patient came, okay, a patient came, and

he came to me with such a request, syndrome impostor, i say what it is, i don’t appreciate what i’ve grown to, why, where does this come from, yes, because our parents never celebrated our victories, i got an “a” on the head, everything is fine, you know, as if, not stuck on this, pay attention to how to get out of this, yes, start celebrating for yourself , that is, we mark for ourselves, that we celebrate our victories, that there is a way out of this situation, that is, we should not be shy about celebrating all our victories, at least for ourselves , appropriate, appropriate your victories, maybe start more often say i, i will do this, i did that, i did this, that is, when we we were all taught to say we, that is, this is us, this is merit. team, that is, it turns out, more often you need to say i, i do this, i know how to do this, for myself, maybe use , you know, like a life hack from the most famous manual from the bible, yes, where do i even think that the bible - this is the most beautiful manual on

how to live on this planet, and there is absolutely a wonderful phrase there: love your neighbor as yourself, as yourself, i interpret it as follows, that if you don’t know how to love yourself, how do you know how to love others and what love for others is in general , it turns out that first you really need to start treating yourself with respect and love, not devaluing your merits, your achievements, then already learn to broadcast this with a greater, let’s say, degree of empathy, and participation, more, you will better understand those who surround you, naturally, excellent, they wrote it down, yes, because there was also a request, a patient came with such a request, that i don't feel love for anyone. uh-huh, no one loves me, i don’t know why, but what is she talking about, yes, that i don’t love myself, i don’t have this love, and when i don’t have this love, what

can i give, here’s the shirt i’m wearing, she alone, if i give it away, i won’t have this shirt , specifically, here’s svetlana, they came to you, there were cases when a patient comes to you, well, who, well, let’s say, gave almost his last money for your consultation, i got an appointment with you and he comes, periodically it happens that yes to me they write, today i even received a message that i can come to you to break through the financial ceiling, well enough , i say, yes, a consultation costs so much, the girl tells me: it’s very expensive for me, but i’ll find these money, we are for one request, for one. can we resolve this issue? i say, i can write step-by-step instructions if you do it, yes, it’s just a matter of time, we can help our audience reveal the secrets, now we

’ll give you a few steps for free, the first three steps, step-by-step instructions, the first is to understand, how will i make money, what can i do, what skills do i have , a patient came to me and said, i’m a musician, i... sing well, but i want to have more money, what should i do, i want my own business, i say, let's open a vocal studio, but we need to rent a room, yes, i say, what do you have, what available means do you have, or where can you find investors who can invest in you, yes, you have the skills, the other a man has money, they connected him, he opened one vocal studio, here you go, the process went further, development events, i money comes for needs, what needs there are, step two, yes , step two, the task is to increase your needs, because there is such a phrase, yes, if i don’t feel thirsty, i won’t look for a source,

well, everything is simple here, you just say what you like, you can’t buy there right away, i don’t know, mercedes, but you don’t have to right away little by little, little by little we begin to increase our standards, little by little right now, where can i increase my standard, choose your next goal. then you start, no exactly where, yes, but in all segments of life , yes, little by little, first i start with food, i understand what i like, i improve the quality of my table. yes, if i ate bread for 50 rubles, i start buying it, for example, for 100 rubles, yes, it’s more tasty, i start by price, or it’s really tastier, i just don’t know, well, i mean that not a question of price, but a question of taste , then, uh, for example, i want soft towels, yes, i buy one, the second according to my capabilities, little by little i increase my capabilities, little by little, this is step number we have two, yes it turns out, the next story, yes, so that... there is more money, yes, money

comes through new things, this is to increase the question of my competence, yes, my knowledge, i am looking at what i should do next to develop this musical studio, i take partners, a team, i go on studying, yes, i do this, due to this, yeah, it’s clear, there are hundreds of examples of those same ones, yes, probably they are subject to, well, deep, well, one might say, clinical study, when people from the very poor. families became, as you said, deafeningly rich people, there are some common quality that unites everyone, you probably carried out an analysis of this, analyzing the stories of your patients, success stories and which you constantly cite, that is, there are some, well, well , not one quality, but several, that’s the quality, consume more information, find out, look for examples, try to find, when a person is there looking for examples, looking for ways to achieve the same goals that

his examples, the people from his examples, have achieved, yet, don’t give up, perseverance, this is the most important quality, yes, which defines everyone successful people, he doesn’t give up, the same example with the frog, yes, which whipped milk into butter and got out, but he doesn’t give up, he goes, sees the goal, doesn’t see obstacles, you understand, how to become like that, this is thinking, this is the image of us , this can be brought up or with this it can be brought up, it’s a matter of thinking, yes, when we start, regulate our feelings, fear. fear that prevents you from moving forward, yes, for example, i’m afraid of becoming poor, i ask the question, what are you losing, do you have something to lose, he says, well, in general, no, i say, then if you are now afraid of becoming poor, that means you have something to lose, no, i have nothing to lose, then go forward, yes, these are supports that i can lean on, yes, which i create for myself, so, you and i agreed that there are the first steps that will lead you... to solving

the problem of this transition from a state of poverty to a state of wealth. the first is an awareness of what is happening and a search for information about best practices, yes, best practice, examples that were before your eyes or in history or are now near you, we we study, we carefully consider, we understand how this happened and what i need to do, yes, to go the same way, second, we never give up, that is, we are not afraid of temporary difficulties, we consider all difficulties, this is a growth zone, i am growing, yes as we solve the third point - we record all our successes first of all for ourselves, we record them also for others and do not allow anyone to belittle our success in order to remain in a state of comfort with ourselves, realizing that what i do brings happiness is not only for me, yes, but also to try to make it bring happiness to others.

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