on the contrary, fitz's party is inferior to its main competitor; the official election results will be announced this afternoon . that's all for now, see you later. hello, this is an easy money podcast and i am its host, mikhail khanov. today i have a very unusual guest for our podcast, clinical psychologist svetlana nazoeva. hello, svetlana. hello. i know that you are a personal psychologist for many top managers of the largest companies, rich, successful people. and the first question that comes to mind is to ask you, really whether to. they also cry, but the topic of the program

is completely different, it is more interesting, deeper, it is the psychology of poverty and wealth. what distinguishes poor people from rich people, how their ways of thinking differ, why some manage to get out of poverty, others never, well, the most important question, this is just what is called for starters, just distinguish a rich person from a poor person by the image and format of his thinking, can? yes, of course, yes, poor man, i myself come from a very... poor family, yes, and i was going to a certain financial state, through various difficulties, and what kind of difficulties are these, this is the first limitation in everything , food, clothing, transport, travel, and if you look at a person who does not have such an opportunity, let’s say, a poor person, yes, he essentially has no choice,

the choice is very limited, these limiting... stories prevent a person from moving forward, that is, these are certain attitudes in the head, are they their own, or are these the attitudes of the surrounding existence, you, the surrounding existence, then where we were born, to what extent existence determines consciousness, that is, it turns out , well is it important or not, it is important, but i was born into a poor family, my grandmother was poor , my mother was poor, i am naturally poor, i don’t have enough money for food, well, yes, yes, i used laundry soap instead of shampoo head, yes, for example, we ate instead of - let's say, an abundance of eggs, because my mother was given a salary at work in eggs, you told yourself that i will never live like this again, i give myself the attitude that i want to live like this . to another, that’s all it was, that’s when you started telling yourself this, when i saw in when i was a teenager, when i saw that my friend, with whom i began to be friends, lived differently, i came to visit her, she ate, they would have on the table... pies with meat,

with onions, with eggs, with apples, well, this is very detailed, at what age did you set yourself the goal that i don’t want to live like this anymore, well, approximately, probably from this 15 years, and what needed to be done for this, the first thing for myself i decided that i needed to go to study, if i could not go to college, i would not be able to develop further, excellent, that is, you, in fact , here i would like to talk a little about how you are... a psychologist and a consultant, yes, you could just say some criteria, that’s what, you for yourself, talking with a person , let’s say they are dressed exactly the same, yes, they both have competent speech , they are quite educated, so you can determine which of these people is mentally predisposed to success, well, i don’t like this word, to wealth, yes , well, let's say , to earning money in order to lead a decent lifestyle, let's say, well above average, and for the country in which he lives. and a person who, in principle

, will continue to live at the level at which he is now will never take a step upward. i want to tell a story here, i took a taxi here today, and the taxi driver was a very amazing person, yes, who worked in large companies and his income was more than 20 million rubles a month, and he takes me as a taxi driver, you know, and i say, i start talking to him, or rather, he overheard me and my assistant... everything has collapsed and i can’t go any further, in during the dialogue, i understand that he giggles a little, a way of life, oh, a way of thinking , now i want to bring him to this, to the fact that he begins to devalue what i say, when we begin to devalue, we stop hearing, then there is actually a person who claims that the way i live suits me for some reason... and

i can’t do anything beyond my control, which means that what is beyond this threshold of my perception before its existence is all wrong, yes, lack of interest, that is , in fact... the criterion of poverty is that the fact that you accept this poverty as such, you begin to blame everyone around you for being poor, precisely because circumstances have developed in such a way that something didn’t work out for you , and so on and so forth, and the main thing is that how they live, but somewhere out there they are these bokachi, why are they crying too , they have their own problems, they feel bad there, but i feel so good, but it’s like a secondary benefit, it ’s beneficial for me to be like this, it’s beneficial for me, i don’t i want to be bad, like these bad ones, and that is , in fact, it is convenient for him to be poor, there is such in your practice, the concept that people are comfortable being poor, in which, yes, look, in what it is expressed, here we have all the cartoons, fairy tales, that a rich person is a bad person, a rich person is an evil person, but unconsciously i don’t

realize, yes , i don't want to be rich, because i don't want to be bad, because rich is bad and evil, you want to be bad, no, no. we all want to be good, we want to be loved, you know , but the rich have nothing to love, but the poor, he ’s poor, unfortunate, so good, you know, and he feels sorry for himself, naturally, then there is such a vicious circle, i feel sorry for myself because nothing worked out for me, but it’s good because i’m good, everyone around me is also good, they are bad and i don’t want to go to the bad ones, how to break, break, risk being bad, you know, wording, good thesis, a very, disgustingly rich man, he is disgusting , you know, why, for whom, disgusting, is an adjective, who, who is him yes for whom, for another poor person, yes, well, again , this is what is generally accepted in social networks

the formulation is poor rich, but this is just envy, no, when you say that another person is disgustingly rich, this is latently your envy, that is, in fact, you are expressing your attitude in such adjectives towards this person, that is, in fact you need to fight with no, with you don’t need to fight with envy, yes, envy has two, like a coin, yes, two sides, there is constructive envy, yes, there is destructive, constructive envy, i want that too, how can i make sure i have it, yes, go learn from this person who i i envy him, to adopt some of his actions, yes , that he performs, how often is this approach found in people, that their constructive envy develops into a need into a desire. does not motivate a person to change himself, unfortunately, it is very difficult for a person to come to the point of taking control of a feeling, yes, envy is a feeling, it is a strong feeling, it can capture you so that you go into effect,

you can cope with this feeling you can't, there is another story, yes, when we learn self-regulation mental processes, when we can take control of a feeling, it is to stop. slow down, understand what’s happening to me now, i’m jealous, great, that is, envy, i’m glad to see you, you just stay here for now, i ’ll figure it out, rejoice at this feeling, because feeling is an indicator of where i should go, imagine this situation , yes, you came to the theater, you like a ballerina who dances or a singer who sings, you have energy inside, you like people who sit in the front row in the quartel and buy, great, like, what kind of people are these? who are they ?

something else like that, i say, well, thank god, but i’m not rich, i’m poor and i feel good, i’ll sit in row 115, no, the problem is how to take this step here, i’m still trying to understand, that’s what it should be an incentive to determine whether a person is able to cope with this himself and an example. find example an example is definitely yes, that how to move from this state naturally, we have many people, yes, great people, yes, who made a great contribution to development in evolution, and came out of the state of a poor person, but all the examples that i will give, i understand correctly, that the example should be from a close and dear person from the next door, preferably from the next apartment, that is, we can take an example , we can see, look at the biography of a person, how he came to this, well, an example doesn’t really motivate us, yes, not everyone comes from arkhanelsk on foot with a fish train, they founded universities, that is, although i’m giving an approximate guide, there are some criteria, you can have more than one, how the ways of thinking of rich people differ from the way of thinking of poor people, a person who has reached certain heights,

if you ask how he lived, he lived in a state of oppression, you know, it was always, there was some kind of flawed state, at this moment you want... as if to win the trust of other people through education or through something else, you know, well, those who live in poverty now, they also have this the same limitation on resources, if possible, do not go there. on vacation, they never have such an opportunity, there is not enough money, even until the next salary, and yet, some take steps from this state, others do not, they are also in these cramped situations, what should be in the thinking that should you, what am i going to introduce this to, that there is some kind of skill that maybe can be trained, or is it innate, but it can be trained, yes, but it’s always a question, you know, how is such observation when i i’m interested in everything that’s around me, when i’m not sitting, lying on the couch at home, or watching tv. when i’m interested, well, lying on the couch is also interesting to me, yes, that’s a fact, but watching tv, yes, and if you travel, if

you go to a museum, listen to music, there ’s nothing to travel with, why? i’ll start with myself, yes , i didn’t have the opportunity to go to a psychologist, but it was very important for me, and i found a hot, free hotline, yes, where i could consult in the field of psychology, it’s a matter of searching, what question you asked when you called the live line, can i? talk, i feel very bad, how old were you, and i was 20, 24 years old, well, you have already taken some steps from that, i left the small town where i was born, you see, it is very important who the enlightened people are , yes, that’s where this name came from, this word, yes, this is when people from small villages went to another village, returned, they were enlightened, they went somewhere, learned something, came with a new information. svetlana, here

then let’s move on to specifics, your example is very indicative, but here everyone is interested, of course, in examples, top managers , rich people who everyone hears, whom you advise, let’s start with a simple one, here ’s the opposite question, yes, do such people are afraid of poverty, afraid of going back and what to do about it? always, i always encounter this, a person comes to me, yes, especially at the start... uh-huh, yes, when he already more or less has some money, and continues to develop, yes, and he comes and says: i’m afraid to go back, i’m afraid to slide down there, what’s happening, fear is a feeling, why is this happening, svetlana, well , because the person had the experience of being poor, suddenly he had money, he’s afraid of losing, yes, what do i advise , i always work in the field of self-regulation, i have already said that we test this world with the help of feelings and emotions. yes, i recommend sorting out this feeling, this fear, what it is,

a fantasy, a fantasy about past experience, which i rely on, because there is nothing new, i i’m fantasizing, yes, i’m starting to race thoughts in my head, obsession, yes, i’m starting to think, suddenly this money will go somewhere now, when i earned my first million, from this fear, great. what's the password here? so it looks like you don't remember the correct answer. if a simple question turns into a quiz, naapept can help. naapept helps improve brain function, restore memory and concentrate. appetite to get your head working. open danisimo. and awaken a feeling of pleasure. enjoy the exquisite

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people who are around me, that they are at the same level, well, i’m kind of ashamed to receive them there, right? on the other hand, i think, well, what’s the big deal here, from the information that i’m talking about, and then you are faced with the fact that on the other hand , people say, wow, you know so much, and so on, and you have such things, you say, how do you know this, on the other hand, people who are at the lowest stage of development, but what are you, and they, well, they are so, they categorically declare that you know how here the fool has his own truth, so they say it, categorically, you think, well, if a person is so sure, it’s probably true, but that’s how it is. the so-called dunning-crewing effect, which many successful people suffer from, among your patients there are such, you know , in simple terms, this impostor effect, well, giving a specific example, yes, here i am to myself, what’s wrong with that , i i host this program, i host this podcast, well, it’s nothing complicated, very smart people come to me, professionals, i’m just i ask them, i try to figure out the situation for myself, i keep thinking, wow, how

smart he must be, he’s on tv, there or on youtube, yes, here’s how to deal with this, how to raise your own self-esteem, we, we don’t recognize our victories, why, let me explain, one patient came to me, you call them a patient , well, well, let there be a patient, so the patient came, okay, the patient came, and he came to me, with such a request, impostor syndrome, i say what it is, i don’t evaluate it until why have i grown up, why, where does this come from, yes, because my parents never celebrated our... victories, i got an a on the head , i patted it, everything is fine, you know, as if we didn’t get stuck on this, pay attention, how to get out of this, yes, start celebrating for ourselves, that is, we mark for ourselves, that we celebrate our victories, that the way out of this situation , that is, we should not be shy about celebrating all our victories, at least for ourselves, to appropriate, to appropriate our victories, everything is correct, maybe start

saying more often i, i will do this, i did that, i did it, that is, when we we all of us... or say we, that is, it is us, it is the merits of the team, that is, it turns out, more often you need to say i, i do this, i know how to do this for myself, maybe you can use, you know, a life hack from the most famous manual from the bible, yes, where i generally think that the bible is the most beautiful manual on how to live on this planet, and there is absolutely a wonderful phrase there: love your neighbor as yourself, as yourself, and i interpret it as follows: what if you don’t you know how to love yourself, how do you know how to love others? what is love for others in general, that is, it turns out that first you really need to start treating yourself with respect and love, not devaluing your merits, your achievements, then learn to broadcast this with a greater, let’s say, degree of empathy, yes, participation, more, you will better understand those who surround you , naturally, they wrote it down, yes, because

there was also a request, a patient came with such a request that i don’t feel love for anyone, uh-huh, no one loves me, i don’t know why, but what is she talking about, yes, that i don’t love myself, i don’t have this love, and when...’ there’s no this love, what can i give, that’s it i have a shirt, it’s the only one, if i give it away, i won’t have this shirt, specifically, here’s svetlana , they came to you, there were cases when a patient comes to you, well, who, well , let’s say, almost i paid my last money for your consultation, i got an appointment with you and he comes with a simple and clear request: svetlana, i’m a poor man, and this is money, which he paid, this is the last money, how can i become rich, this is what you told such people, were there any such patients. and periodically it happens that they write to me, today i even received a message saying that i can come to you to break through the financial ceiling, well enough, uh, i say, yes,

a consultation costs so much, and the girl tells me, this is very expensive for me, but i will find this money, we can resolve this issue in one request, yes, in one consultation, in an hour and a half, i say, i can write step-by-step instructions, if you do it, yes, it’s just a matter of time. we can help our audience reveal the secrets, now we will give a few steps for free, the first three steps, step-by-step instructions, the first thing is to understand how i will make money, what i can do, what skills i have, a patient came to me and said , i’m a musician, i sing well, but i want to have more money, what should i do, i want my own business, i say, let’s open a vocal studio. but you need to rent a room, yes, i’m saying that you have, what there are available funds, or where you can find investors

who can invest in you, yes, you have skills, another person has money, they connected, he opened one vocal studio, here you go, the process has begun, further developments, i have money come to the needs, what the needs are, step two, yes, the task is to increase your needs, because there are. phrase, yes, if i'm not thirsty, i won't look for a source, well, everything is simple here, you just say what you like, you can't immediately buy there, i don't know, mercedes, but don’t do it right away, little by little, little by little we begin to increase our standards, little by little, right now, where can i increase my standard, choose your next goal and then you start, not exactly where, yes, but in all segments of life, but little by little, first i start with food, i understand what i like, i improve the quality of mine. that means, table, yes, if i ate bread for 50 rubles, i start buying it, for example, for 100 rubles, yes, it is more tasty, i start by price, or

is it really tastier, i just don’t know, well i i mean, it’s not a question of price, but a question of taste, then, for example, i want soft towels, yes, i buy one, the second according to my capabilities, little by little i increase my capabilities, little by little, this is step number two with us, yes it turns out, the next story, yes, so that there is more money, yes, money comes through new things, this is to increase the question of my competence, yes, my knowledge, i look at what i should do next to develop this music studio, i take partners, a team, i’m going to study further, yes, i’m doing this, due to this, yeah, it’s clear, they exist hundreds of examples of those same ones, yes, they are probably subject to, well, deep, well, one might say, clinical study. when people from very poor families became, as you said, deafeningly rich people , there is some common quality that unites everyone, you probably carried out an analysis of this, analyzing

the stories of your patients, success stories, and which you constantly cite, that is, there is some, well, well, not one quality, but several, that’s the quality, consume more information, find out, look for examples try to find when a person is there looking for examples looking for ways. in order to achieve the same goals that his examples, the people from his examples, achieved, do not give up yet, perseverance, this is the most important quality, yes, which defines all successful people, he does not give up, the same example with the frog, yes, who whipped the milk into butter and got out, yes, he doesn’t give up, he goes, sees the goal, sees no obstacles, you know , how to become like this, this is thinking, this is the image of us, this can be brought up, or this can be brought up, this is the question thinking yes when we we begin - to regulate our feelings, fear, fear that prevents us from moving forward, yes, for example, i am afraid of becoming poor, i ask the question , what do you lose, do you have something to lose, he

says, well, in general, no, i say, then? if you are now afraid of becoming poor, does that mean you have something to lose? no, i have nothing to lose, then go forward, yes, these are supports that i can lean on, yes, which i create for myself. so, you and i agreed that there are first steps that will lead you to solving the problem of this transition from a state of poverty to a state wealth. the first is the awareness of what is happening and the search for informational best practices, with you, we study them, carefully consider them, understand how it happened and what i need to do, yes, to go the same way, second, we never give up, that is, we are not afraid of temporary difficulties, we consider all difficulties temporary, i see the goal , i see no obstacles, as you said, this is a growth zone, i grow as i solve it, and the third

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this is more marketing, this is more of the same info, infocharlatanism, infofraud, when you have a sauce, this is very clear nlp neuro-linguistic programming, technologies, for the purpose of seizing, taking away money... they sell you some information from the population , which you come out with, say, and what was it for the most part, or not, or am i wrong? now if i step on your foot with my heel, very strongly, i will stand, i will stand on your leg, the pain will be hellish, i will say, let’s pump up the financial ceiling, how will that work? no way, because the focus of attention will go to what hurts you. and you will tell me: get off your feet, it hurts me, this is not up to the financial ceiling. and when a person has a certain kind of problem, yes, it’s difficult for him to think about financial ceilings and so on, he thinks about how to solve this problem, and if he found some kind of

speaker, yes, who talks about the ceiling and so on further and so on, and at least a small part of him was hooked and helped , god willing, you know, here... this is the story, there are no speakers here that can say some things, your patients who have achieved success, i went through all these marathons of desires, schools of growth there, but i don’t know this information, i don’t know there, i’m an information businessman, and what they say, well, they came to me in the end to treat their problems, their pain, which, that is, you say, go, come, then you will come to me more often and naturally, this is such a story, what is this, what are these marathons, it’s like motivation, to motivate, but one person has a leadership component, such a charismatic component, the other doesn’t, he doesn’t need it, he needs something else, you understand , everything is individual, marathons are

generally accepted information, yes, as a belief, yes, as to see something, some example, how it might be, a push, a push, partly, but everything is very individual, there is a theory, and there is. practice, we are going to cut the appendix to a practitioner, and not to a theorist at the institute, so that he will cut open our living svetlana, that’s all our this concept of increasing the level in various spheres of existence, doesn’t it lead to poverty of consciousness, that is, we become richer materially, we actually become consumers, we push ourselves to a higher level of consumption, spiritual poverty, isn’t this behind all this? no time left? this is very accurate. a noted fact, what is psychology, it is the science of the soul , we live in a society, yes, contact, emotional intelligence is important to us, what is this achievement, consumerism, aimed at, but

for what? to buy a new thing, yes, to earn more money, but what about you, what about you , that is, we simply include spiritual development in one of the zones of growth points, that is, we definitely include, that is, we are the history of cities, culture, architecture, we begin to go to theaters, museums, studying is a mandatory part of the program, this is mandatory, this is observation, this is understanding, yes, that there is something else, a good term, tell me, svetlana, do you have such advice, this is what we said, our life hacks, you tell people, write it all down. you recommend that they write it all down, sometimes it’s necessary to read, because we come back to what a person has, yes, a neural connection, what is experience, chains, experience, yes, on which i rely, and i periodically look: