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hello, this is an easy money podcast and i am its host, mikhail khanov. today i have a very unusual guest for our podcast, clinical psychologist svetlana nazoeva. hello svetlana. hello. i know that you are a personal psychologist for many top managers of the largest companies, rich, successful people. and the first question that comes to mind is to ask you, is it true that the rich cry too? but the theme of the program is completely different, it is more interesting, deep, this is the psychology of poverty and wealth, what distinguishes poor people from rich people, how their ways of thinking differ , why some manage to get out of poverty, others never, well, the most important question, that’s just what it’s called for starters, just to distinguish a rich person a person from a poor person in the image and format of his thinking, is it possible? yes, of course, yes, poor man, i myself come from a very poor family. yes, and i went to a certain

financial state, through various difficulties, and what kind of difficulties are these, this is the first restrictions in everything, food, clothing, transport, travel, and if you look at a person who does not have such an opportunity, let’s say, a poor person, yes, he has no choice, in fact , the choice is very limited, these are the limiting ones. yes, a person is prevented from moving forward, that is, these are certain attitudes in the head, they are your own, or are these the attitudes of the existence around you, the surrounding existence, where we were born, to what extent existence is determined by consciousness, that is, it turns out, well, is it important or not, it is important, yes i was born into a family, yes in the poor, my grandmother was poor, my mother was poor, there wasn’t enough money for food , well, yes, yes, i used laundry soap instead of shampoo, soap on my hair, yes, for example, we ate... instead of, let’s say,

abundance, eggs, because my mother was paid in eggs at work, you told yourself that i will never live like this again, i give myself... the attitude that i want to live differently, that’s all it was, that’s when you they started telling themselves this, in what way, when i saw in adolescence, when i saw that my friend, with whom i began to be friends, lives differently, i came to visit her, she ate, they had pies on the table with meat, onions, eggs, apples, well, this is very detailed, at what age, after all, you set yourself a goal, that i don’t want to live like this anymore, that’s probably where i should start. and what had to be done for this? the first thing i decided for myself was that i needed to go to study, if i could not go to college, i would not be able to develop further, great, that is, you, in fact, here i would like to talk a little about

here you are, as a clinical psychologist and as a consultant , yes, you could just say some criteria, that’s what, for yourself, when talking with a person, let’s say they are dressed exactly the same, yes, they both have competent speech, they are enough about that you can determine which of these people is mentally predisposed to success, well, i don’t like this word to wealth, but let’s say, to earning money in order to lead a decent lifestyle, let’s say, well, above average , but according to the country in which he lives, and a person who, in principle, will live at the level at which he is now, will never take a step up , i want to tell a story here, i rode here by taxi today, and the taxi driver was very amazing... a man, yes, who worked in large companies, and his the income was more than 20 million rubles a month, and he drives me like a taxi driver, you know, and i say , i start talking to him, or rather, he overheard how my assistant and i discussed certain issues, entered into our dialogue,

and he says that everything has collapsed and i can’t go any further, during the dialogue i understand that he’s giggling a little, right? oh, the way of thinking, now i want to bring it to this, to the fact that he begins to devalue what i say, when we begin to devalue, we stop hearing, that is, in fact, the person claims that the way i live, me suits me for some reason, and beyond my control, i can’t do anything, which means that what is beyond this threshold of my perception and my being is all wrong, and lack of interest, that is, in fact the criterion of poverty is the fact that you accept this poverty as such, begin to blame everyone around you, that you are poor precisely because circumstances have developed in such a way that something did not work out for you, and so on and so forth, and most importantly, that the way they live, and somewhere out there they are these bokachi , well, they cry there too, they have their own

problems, they feel bad there, but i feel so good, but it’s like a secondary benefit, it’s beneficial for me to be like that, for me profitable, i don’t want to be bad, like these bad, rich people who... we have all the cartoons, fairy tales that a rich person is a bad person, a rich person is an evil person , but unconsciously, i don’t realize, yes, i don’t want to be rich, because i don’t want to be bad, because a rich person is bad and evil, you want to be bad, no, no, we all want to be. we want to be loved, you know, but the rich have nothing to love for, but the poor, he’s poor, unhappy, so good, you know, and he feels sorry for himself, naturally, that is, it turns out to be such a vicious circle, i feel sorry for myself because i didn't succeed, but that's good

because i’m good, everyone around me is also good, they are bad and i don’t want to go there with the bad ones, like tearing apart, tearing apart, risking being bad, you know, that’s the wording... a good guy is a very disgustingly rich man, he’s disgusting, you know , why for whom, disgusting - this is an adjective, who, who him for whom, for another poor person, yes , well, again, this is our generally accepted formulation on social networks, poor, rich, well, it’s just envy, no, when you saying that another person is disgustingly rich is your envy is latent, that is, in fact you express your attitude in such adjectives towards this person, that is, in fact you need to fight envy, you don’t need to fight envy, yes, envy has two, like a coin, yes, two sides, there is constructive envy, yes there is destructive, constructive, i also want it, how can i make it so that i have it, and go learn from this person whom i envy, adopt some of his actions,

yes, which he performs, how often does this happen? people's approach in them, constructive envy develops into a need and desire to motivate a person. changing oneself, unfortunately, is very difficult when a person comes to take control of his feelings, but envy is a feeling, it is a strong feeling. it can take over you in such a way that you come to the effect that you cannot cope with this feeling. there is another story, yes, when we learn self-regulation of mental processes, when we can take control of a feeling, stop, slow down, understand what is happening to me now, i’m jealous, great, that is envy, i'm glad to see you, just wait here for now, i 'll figure it out, rejoice at this feeling, because feeling is an indicator of where i should go. imagine this situation, yes, you came to the theater, you like

a ballerina who dances, or a singer who sings, you have energy inside you, you like the people who sit in the front row in the stalls and buy, great, you like what this is people, who they are, how they purchased this ticket, this curiosity, yes, it prompts action to the question, but i turn negative part of this medal, i say, well, they are bad people, they are evil, they stole, they are a budget or something else like that, i say, well , thank god, i’m not rich, i’m poor, and i’m fine, i’ll sit in row 115, no, the task is how to take this step here , i’m still trying to understand, this is what should be an incentive, is a person able to cope with this on his own, and an example, an example, it’s necessary to find an example, yes, that the poor move from of this state, naturally, we have many people, yes, great people, yes, who have made a great contribution to the development of evolution, right? came out of the state of a poor person, well, all the examples that i will give, i correctly understand that the example should be a close relative from

the next entrance, preferably from the next apartment, we can see, look at the person’s biography, how he came to this, well, something like mikhail vasilevich lomanosov is not very motivated, yes , not everyone comes from arkhanelsk on foot with a fish train, founds universities, that is, at least roughly, there are some criteria, there can be more than one, how the way of thinking of rich people differs from the way of thinking poor. of people, a person who has reached certain heights, if you ask how he lived, he lived in a state of oppression, you know, it was always mm, there was some kind of flawed state, at this moment you want to, as if, win the trust of other people through education or through something else, you know, well, those who now live in poverty, they also have the same limitation on resources, on opportunities, they don’t go on vacation, they don’t have... never such an opportunity, money not enough even until the next salary, and yet

less, some from this state take steps, others do not, they are also in these cramped positions, what should be in thinking that should you, i will introduce this to what, that there is some kind of skill that maybe can be trained, or is it innate, but you can train, yes, but it’s always a question, you know, like such observation, when i’m interested in everything that’s around, when i’m not sitting, not lying on the couch at home, not watching tv, but when i’m interested. well, i’m also interested in lying on the couch, yes, that’s a fact, but look tv, yes, if you travel, if you go to a museum, listen to music with this, there is nothing to travel with, why, i’ll start with myself, yes, i didn’t have the opportunity to go to a psychologist, but it was very important for me, and i found a hot , a free hotline, yes, where i could consult just in the field of psychology, it’s a question of searching, what question did you ask when you called the hotline, can i talk to me... very bad, but how old were you, and me was 20, 24 years old,

well, you have already taken some steps from that, i i left the small town where i was born, you see, it is very important who enlightened people are, yes, that’s where this name came from, this word, yes, this is when people from small villages went to another village, they returned enlightened, they went somewhere, learned something, came back with new information. svetlana, then let’s move on to specifics , your example is very illustrative, but here everyone is interested, of course, examples - top managers, rich people, whom everyone hears, whom you advise, let’s start with a simple one, here the opposite question, yes, do such people have a fear of poverty, a fear of going back and what to do about it? always, i always come across this, a person comes to me, yes, especially at, uh, i would say, a startup, yeah. yes, when he already more or less has some money, and continues to develop, yes, and he comes and

says: i’m afraid to go back, i’m afraid to slide down there, what’s happening, fear is a feeling, why is this happening, svetlana , well , because the person had the experience of being poor, suddenly he has money, he is afraid of losing, yes, what do i recommend, i always work in the field of self-regulation, i have already said that we test this world with the help of feelings and emotions, yes i... recommend analyzing this feeling, this fear, what it is, fantasy , a fantasy about that, about past experience, which i rely on, because there is no new one, i fantasize, i start racing thoughts in my head, obsessions, yes, i start thinking, what if this money suddenly goes somewhere when i earned my first million, from this fear, excellent, self-regulation of mental

processes when i manage my feelings, when i realize my feeling, i start a dialogue, dialogue is natural self-regulation, where did it come from, that is , what do you recommend people to dig into and you know how i... i always say that when you have bad or a good mood, you can say, but everything has piled up there or, on the contrary, everything is fine, but always when you go to bed , let’s say sleep, but when you are alone, yes, no one distracts you, and you analyze the situation, you can always say , what event made it so that you have today good or bad mood, well, when everything, everything, everything is bad, you think, well, okay, this is this, this is what i endured, but there is always some point that hurt you the most, it’s this that has become the decisive factor that ... dumped you into this depression, i understand correctly that you need to look for such a point and continue to work with your fears, precisely in this direction, yes, absolutely true, but again i return to this complex term, yes, this is self-regulation , what is this, i am aware of my feeling, for example, here is my loved one a person told me something that offended me, it’s normal to have such feelings, but we

don’t deny them, we admit them, so i was offended, what? that my sister, for example, devalued me... she devalued me, i would say so, and of course i’m offended, i start thinking not about that, not about myself, but why this person did this, what happened to him, that’s the question understanding, understand, understand why he did this, and it will become easier, but when i saw that, for example, a person, yes, well, limits himself, envy me, and cannot cope with it, this envy it comes out with this poison, let’s say, right? and i wanted to feel sorry for her, and my resentment went away, it is very important to clarify this point, and to call and say, you know, i really understand you, yes, but here i was very hurt, how can i help you, that is, it turns out, for in order to become happy, and in order not to be offended, well, at least by your inner circle, you must

also, as they say, raise everyone around you, also make them partly happy, share your part and understand why, what it is prompted me to do this or to say, this is not directed at me, well, for example, yes, if my mother screams, why is she screaming, my mother deprived herself of attention , she directed all her attention to raising her children, but she is not there, well, that is, and it is difficult for her if she paid time for herself, she wouldn’t scream, you know, that’s all, because you said, svetlana, they don’t understand her, that is , returning to this term, to this phrase, remember the quote from the famous film we’ll live until monday, that the boy wrote the poem, happiness - it’s when they understand you, it’s very beautiful, that’s right, it’s very beautiful phrase, i think that everyone should write it down, your own happiness is when you understand yourself, the happiness of those people who are around you, when you understand them, in fact, you should not be afraid to tell them this, returning to the psychology of poverty, the question is,

how much the generation has changed, the generation to which, well, from happiness you and i belong, and the generation of children when we lived, that i’m saving for a rainy day, there is this service for certain holidays, rather than being rich there is nothing to start with, and honestly in general you won’t make money, but with young people, the so-called z generation of zero, and they are different, mentally, different , they develop faster due to information, you know, a lot of information, they have a fear of remaining poor, you know, i think they don’t even think about it. so we thought about it, they just take it and do it, that’s what you said at the very beginning, they just do it , they have a lot of examples, they had a limitation, no information, everyone lived about the same, you know, that’s all , i went to school, everyone was the same, and they had examples before their eyes tens and hundreds of successful peers, they understand that, in principle, they, not

gods, burn pots, but as we say, they can do the same thing, but for this they need to do something, then you already blame yourself, well, i so. because i don’t, i’m not like this blogger, i don’t get up every morning , i don’t take selfies, i don’t go, i don’t tell different stories, naturally, before their eyes, before their eyes, there are a lot of these examples that we rely on and what arises inside a person is this feeling of envy, which drives us, that i want it too, girls, attention, sweet nikanova is our new fashion model, i told her not to mess with... a beautiful woman in a car , there is less suspicion, and what kind of spy games do you have, and nikana, who did he kill you? bend down so that they don’t remember you, you then, you died my wife, sergei bezrukov in

the serial film by valery todorovsky, bison is the case of a fashion model, premieres on october 9 on the first. me or not, i just want to talk. this is an easy money podcast and i'm on it presenter mikhail khanov. today my guest is clinical psychologist svetlana nazoeva. you can see all episodes of the easy money podcast on the channel one website. one more question, this is an interesting one, it is very close to me, so i would like to ask it. there is such an effect of danin’s screening, when people, highly educated, experienced, professionals, they devalue themselves, they devalue their knowledge, opinions, it seems to them , well, something like that, well, everyone knows this, yes, when i express my opinion. then i always consider the people who are around me that they are at the same level, well, i’m partly ashamed to lecture them there, yes, on the other hand, i think, well, what’s wrong with that, from the

information i’m talking about, and then you ’re faced with what’s on the other side people say, wow, you know so much, and so on, and you say such things, how do you know this, on the other hand, people who are at a lower stage of development, and what do you, and they, well, they are so , they categorically declare that... you know, like a fool has his own truth, here they are they say, categorically, you think, well, if a person is so sure, it’s probably true , yes, this is the so-called dying kruenig effect, which many successful people suffer from, among your patients there are such, you know, in simple terms, such an impostor effect, well, giving a specific example , but here i am about myself, what’s wrong with that, i host this program, i host this podcast, well, it’s nothing complicated, very smart people come to me, professionals, i just ask them , i'm trying to find out for myself situation, he’s probably so smart, he’s sitting on tv, there or on youtube , yes, here’s how to deal with this, how to raise your own self-esteem, we, we don’t recognize our victories, why, i’ll explain, he came to me

alone patient, who, you call them patient, patient, patient , well, well, let there be a patient, so the patient came, yes, okay, the patient came, and he came to me, with such a request, impostor syndrome, i say , what it is, i don’t evaluate... what i’ve grown to, why, where it comes from, yes, because my parents never didn’t celebrate our victories, got an “a” on the head, everything’s fine, you know, as if we didn’t get stuck on this, pay attention, how to get out of this, yes, start celebrating for ourselves, that is, we celebrate for ourselves that we celebrate our victories, in order to get out of this situation, that is, all your victories should not be shy to celebrate, at least for yourself, to appropriate , that is, this is us, these are the merits of the team, that is

, it turns out, more often you need to say i, i do this, i can do that something for yourself, maybe use it, you know, as a life hack from the most famous manual from the bible , yes, where i generally think that the bible is the most beautiful manual on how to live on this planet, and there is absolutely a wonderful phrase there: love your neighbor as yourself. as myself, i interpret it in the following way: if you don’t know how to love yourself , how do you know how to love others and what love for others is in general, that is, it turns out that first you really need to start treating yourself with respect and love, do not devalue your merits, your achievements then you will learn to broadcast this with a greater, let’s say, degree of empathy, and more participation, you will better understand those around you, naturally, excellent, they wrote it down, yes, because... there was also a request, a patient came with such a request

that i don’t feel love from anyone, uh-huh, no one loves me, i don’t know why, but what is she talking about, yes, that i don’t love myself, i don’t have this love, and when i don’t have this love, what can i give me, here’s a shirt i’m wearing, it’s the only one, if i give it away, i won’t have this shirt, here specifically, svetlana, here's to you? came, there were such cases when a patient comes to you, well, well, let’s say, he paid almost his last money for your consultation, got an appointment with you, and he comes with a simple and clear request: svetlana, i’m a poor man, and this is the money he paid, this is the last money, how can i become rich, this is what you told such people, were there such patients? it happens periodically that they write to me, today i even received a message saying that i can come to you to get through the financial the ceiling, well enough. uh, i say: yes, a consultation costs so much, and the girl tells me: “this is very expensive for me, but i will find this money, we can

solve this issue in one request, yes, in one consultation, in an hour and a half.” ? i say, i can write step-by-step instructions if you do it, yes, it’s just a matter of time , we can help our audience reveal the secrets, now we’ll give you a few steps for free, the first three steps, step-by-step instructions, the first is to understand , how i will make money, what i can do, what i have skills, a patient came to me and said, i’m a musician, i sing well, but i want to have, i want my own business, i say, let ’s open a vocal studio, but we need to rent a room, yes, i say that you have yes, what means are available, or where you can find investors who can invest in you, yes, you have skills, another person has money, they connected, he opened one vocal studio, here you go, the process began, then the development of events , i

money comes for what is needed. what are the needs, step two, yes, task increase your needs, because there is such a phrase, yes, if i’m not thirsty, i won’t look for a source, well, everything is simple here, you just say what you like, you can’t immediately buy there, i don’t know, mercedes, well no need to immediately, little by little, little by little we begin to increase our standards, little by little right now, where can i increase my standard, choose your next goal and then you start, not exactly where, right? in all segments of life, little by little, first i start with food, i understand what i like, i’m improving the quality of my table, yes, if i ate bread for 50 rubles, i start buying it, for example, for 100 rubles, yes, it ’s more tasty, i start, by price or is it really tastier, i just don’t i know, well, i mean, it’s not a question of price, but a question of taste, then, for example, i want soft towels, yes, i buy one, the second as i

can. little by little i am increasing my capabilities, little by little, this is step number two for us, yes it turns out, the next story, yes, so that there is more money, yes the money comes through something new, this is to increase the question of my competence, yes, my knowledge, i look at what i should do next to develop this music studio, i take partners, a team, i go and study further, yes, i do this, due to this, yeah, they exist hundreds. those same ones, yes, they are probably subject to, well, deep, well, one might say, clinical study, when people from very poor families became, as you said, deafeningly rich people, there is some common quality that unites everyone, you they probably carried out an analysis, analyzing the stories of your patients, the success stories that you constantly bring, that is, there are some, well, not one quality, but several, that’s the quality, consume more

information, find out. to achieve the same goals that his examples achieved, the people from his examples, do not give up yet, perseverance , this is the most important quality, yes, which defines all successful people, he does not give up, the same example with the frog, yes, who frothed the milk in oil and got out, he doesn’t give up, he goes, sees the goal, sees no obstacles, you know, how to become like this? this is thinking, this is the image we can educate, or with this we can, we can educate, it’s a matter of thinking, yes, when we begin to regulate our feelings, fear, fear that prevents us from moving forward, yes, for example, i’m afraid of becoming poor, i ask the question is, what are you losing, do you have something to lose, he says, well, in general, no, i say, then if you are now afraid of becoming poor, then you have something to lose, i don’t have anything to lose, then go ahead, yes it is supports... that

i can lean on, yes, that i create for myself. so, you and i agreed that there are the first steps that will lead you to solving the problem of this transition from a state of poverty to a state of wealth. the first is an awareness of what is happening and a search for information about best practices, yes, best practice, examples that were before your eyes or in history or are now near you, we study them, carefully consider them, we understand how this happened and what to me. we consider all difficulties temporary, i see the goal, i see no obstacles, as you said, difficulty is growth zone, i grow, and as i decide, and the third point, we record all our successes first of all for ourselves, we record them also for others and do not allow anyone to belittle our successes in order to remain in a state of comfort with

yourself. understanding that what i do brings happiness not only to me, yes, but also to try to make it bring happiness to others. this is an easy money podcast and i am its host, mikhail khanov. today. guest clinical psychologist svetlana nazoeva, there is such a term, recently it was banned in our country, well let's call these marathons, i don't know about happiness, desire, anything else, successful success, yes, selling successful success, all these trainers, coaches, ignoramuses, as i call them, yes, as they say, there, get out of your comfort zone, i say, yes, let me at least enter this comfort zone in order to understand where i can get out of, tell me, is there at least one sound grain there, or is this more, nonsense, this is more marketing, this is more of the same thing? info, infocharlatanism, infofraud, when it’s in your sauce, with very clear nlp there neurolinguistic programming, technologies, for the purpose of seizing money from the population, they sell you some information,

which you come out with, say, and what was it for the most part or not, or am i wrong? now, if i step on your foot with my heel, very hard, i will stand, i will stand on yours. leg, the pain will be hellish, i will say, let’s pump up the financial ceiling, how will this work, no way, because the focus of attention will go to what hurts you, and you will tell me, get off your leg, it hurts me, it’s not up to the financial ceiling, when a person has a certain kind of problem, yes, it’s difficult for him to think about financial ceilings and so on, he thinks, how can i solve this problem? and if he found some speaker, yes , who talks about the ceiling and so on and so on, and at least a small part of him was hooked and helped him, god forbid, you know, this is the story, there

are no speakers, that some things can be said, your patients who achieved success went through all these marathons of desires, growth schools there, well, these info-businesses are there, i don’t know, info-businessmen, and what do they say? but they eventually came to me to treat their problems, their pain, which, that is, you say , walk, walk, then you will come to me more often, well, naturally, this is such a story, this is what, what are these marathons, this is how motivation, to motivate, you know, to motivate for something, but one person has such a charismatic leadership component, the other does not, he doesn’t need it, he needs something else, you understand, everything is individual, a marathon is accepted information, yes, as a belief, yes, how to see something, some example, how it can be, a push, a push, partly, but everything is very individual, there is theory, and there is practice, we go

to cut out the appendix to the practitioner, not to theorist to the institute so that he would cut open our bellies, svetlana, this whole concept of ours to increase the level in various spheres of existence, doesn’t it lead to poverty of consciousness? that is, we become richer materially, we actually become consumers, we push ourselves to a higher level of consumption, but spiritual poverty, isn’t it worth behind all this? no time left? this is a very accurately noted fact, what psychology is , it is the science of the soul, we live in a society, yes, contact, emotional intelligence is important to us, what this achievement, consumerism is aimed at. for what? to buy a new thing, yes, to earn more money, but what about you? but what about you yourself? that is , we simply include spiritual development in one of the zones of growth points, that is, we necessarily include an increase in the level of consumption in our spiritual

development too, that is, we begin to go to theaters, museums, study the history of cities, culture, architecture, this is an obligatory point of the program, this is a must, observation is the understanding, yes, that there is something else, observation is a very good term, tell me, svetlana, do you have such advice, that’s it , what we said, our life hacks, and you tell people, write it all down, you recommend that they write it all down so that they can read it sometimes, necessarily, because we come back, what is it, a person has a neural connection, what is it, experiences, experience, yes, on which i rely, and i from time to time i look, and how... should i do it, and how should i think, yes, but the most important thing that i recommend to everyone is to pause between feeling and action, think, put this check mark, right?