[000:00:00;00] is still in the shadows, i can’t say who it will be, at the moment - a whole group has emerged, such new wild directors, this is kiril sokolov, who shot wonderful films dad, tear it off and throw it away, about a real bloody civil war within families, which still ends well, and this is pyotr dikarev with the film gailerr with zakhar prilepin in the title role, this is shzhigalov’s novel with the film forest, this is roman mikhailov with the film a tale for old people, nikolai rybnikov’s film chicago seems to be moving in in the same direction, this is such a wild russia, solving its problems, sometimes even

at the cost of prison and scrip. but still not deviating from the set course, there is no doubt about it that a new director will appear, perhaps not tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, sometimes inertia requires a wait of about three to 4 years, but he will definitely appear in due time valery todorovsky, when he just turned 30, was asked why there were no new torkovskys in the country. he said: no, that means there is no need, as soon as a request for a new torkovsky appears, a new torkovsky will immediately appear in orbit, and in the same way , there is a demand in the country for a new exponent of confrontational times, there is an effective demand in cinema cinema, which means this new director will definitely be there, we’ll talk in five years. it was a podcast, burn with fire, and i,

leading it from below. gorelov with a story about the main current cinematic trends. the second oldest, the mediator between the state and society, the fourth estate, as soon as it doesn’t name the profession, which... we’ll talk about now. hello, today we have gathered our thoughts about what journalism is and how and what to teach journalists today? elena leonidovna vartanova, dean of the faculty of journalism at moscow university, yaroslav lbovich skvartsov, dean of the faculty of international journalism at the institute of international relations. i'm vladimir. hello, dear friends. good evening. i have this first question or

preliminary question for you. as i call it, there is such a stereotype, unpleasant for our profession, that journalists are not liked, where did he come from, and how do you personally feel about him? in the profession, a journalist must ask questions, and quite often uncomfortable questions, they don’t like journalists for asking uncomfortable questions, probably this is the first reason, a journalist lives in a very fast world, he doesn’t always have enough time well prepared. conversation with your expert, so sometimes a journalist’s questions are superficial , hasty, this is also an objective second reason, and the third, probably, is that it is not always easy for journalists

to formulate these questions, and the journalist that probably wrong, quite often he wants to get some kind of given answer, yeah, so journalistic questions are the reason for not loving journalists, i think that’s the whole point, but this is part of the profession and the profession is probably connected with these uncomfortable questions, so the journalist should perhaps formulate more carefully, perhaps prepare more carefully for the interview. are there any other reasons left? i’ve already said almost everything, i could maybe add a little more, but as you said, they don’t like journalists i immediately have a question: who doesn’t like, who, as she rightly said, doesn’t like sensitive questions, doesn’t like those who know how to twist questions, get to the bottom of things, don’t like those who want to get to the bottom

of... the truth, no matter how inconvenient, uncomfortable, maybe unpleasant for some it was not, so it seems to me that those people who, in principle, do not like to go deep, who are not interested in key issues, who? when what why, they probably really have such a prejudice, why are you digging into it, well, turn to someone else, why did i become an object your research, why do you ask me questions, it’s not always convenient, not always comfortable, if i try to avoid your question, then you also twist it, it seems to me that those people who don’t have to hide behind some kind of mask are the kind of people i like seems to be the way journalists are treated. at least with understanding, and maybe even with love, i was just listening to you, dear deans , this is what i thought, since in recent years i have been working more, so to speak, excuse me, in pr,

i always, when i meet with colleagues, i i say that a press secretary, a pr person, you have to like him, this is, if you like, a professional requirement, yes, because if, well, there are different people, there are people with negative charm, they can be very smart, very professional, but they don’t need to be pressed -secretaries, yes, in connection with this i have a question, but... a journalist should like it, depending, again, depending on who, although i didn’t want to agree with yaroslav lbovich, but apparently we are still from the same canons of journalism came out, so we share many things, so who should does the journalist like him, and should the audience like him, or maybe? because the audience, regardless of whether it is a journalist, a tv broadcaster, a childbirth educator or a writer , and the audience is the main one for whom a journalist works, he doesn’t even work for the editor-in-chief, so

it seems to me that a journalist should be liked, but he is not liked as a doll, not how - pleasant, in all respects, a gentleman or lady, he should be liked as an author, he should be liked as a person creating his journalistic texts, because the main thing is what a journalist should be liked, this is his job and he should be liked by his work, where do we get golden pens, golden microphones, golden cameras, from there, when a journalist creates his journalistic product, his... immediately involuntarily davlatov, that we, in order of originality, were called silver pens, everyone else in the editorial office considered themselves golden, by the way, regarding originality, it seems to me that again

about, you correctly said what it means to like, it seems to me that he should be interesting, as in principle a person, you know, is interesting , it’s not always predictable, we calculate it, so... there is one publication , i don’t want to name it now, which i really, really loved, i even worked for it for many years, and then after 5 or 7 years there i caught myself thinking, taking hand this newspaper, i already understand what it will be ironic about today, what it will be perplexed about, and i make no discoveries by leafing through this publication, and part of the media performs this function, as the great betrolbrecht said, the world must remain the world and this thesis inspires in me optimism, i i didn't. discoveries, having met this journalist, this publication, this material, i point to the side, with you i make discoveries all the time, you don’t know the next question, well, of course, it ’s unpredictable, like everything you do,

so, here you go it seems to me that if a publication, for me as a consumer, a user, if it is predictable and understandable to me, then i lose interest in it, so i like it to surprise, but to give food for thought, to offer some other angle of view, these are the qualities, it seems to me, that a journalist and a pr specialist should have, pr man, i agree, inform and analyze, i’ll hit you gentlemen, old man churchill, journalist, if i’m not mistaken, churchill said so, maybe any educated european, what do you say, i agree, without education? no journalist, but here i would expand the european simply to the word person, or man or woman, and what do you want to say that an educated

latin american cannot be, churchill will not answer us, yes, we will dream up a little, any educated person, but to me it seems that churchill does not fully love, as he now loves... he says, completed this story, he did not say that he knows how to write, knows how to structure a text logically, knows how to check facts, that is, if all this includes, then any educated person who can be a journalist, here i will add a turn of phrase, knows how to analyze, inform, present , even to convince, and many other things that a journalist does, they should be included in this concept of education, it seems to me that we understand that we are, so to speak, trying to respect old man

churchill, but still with this definition and we emphasize the word “any”, isn’t he trying to say that in general there is no profession as such, you are an educated person, there is a historian, well, in general, you have nothing else, and you don’t need to know how to be a journalist, well, it seems to me that to what extent i understand churchill, he meant an intelligent and intellectual person, well, of course, he probably meant that, although a southern european and a northern european, yes. differs in temperament and therefore i would not concentrate on europe but it’s absolutely true, especially since let’s remember that for example, in the time of sirston churchill, say, a country like portugal, which we now certainly attribute to europe, was not considered europe, it was, he says, on the sidelines, and so it seems to me that while defending sirston churchill in this case, he was not

cast a shadow on the profession of a journalist, because these are... european , that is, an intellectual, but you first become an intellectual, and then you can show yourself, your knowledge, your education, your intelligence, including as a journalist, it seems to me that here he is not it’s not that he doesn’t cast a shadow, on the contrary, he puts it very highly, because the person who, according to churchill’s estimates, falls under the category of an educated european, using the exact quote, as you did, you first reach this bar, and i believe that he is casting a shadow, of course, he maliciously belittles journalists in this way, because after all, there are journalism skills, which we then teach, which, as you started with this, as you correctly noted, are not needed

by politicians, and sir wanted to be constantly criticized, to be asked questions uncomfortable questions, like, yes, anyone can, anyone, form an agenda, choose the main events, check sources, find the correct interpretation of these events, of course, anyone, here he is, well, i think he... just expressed some of his and dislike for journalists, when he said that there is no such profession, well, you want to tell sir winston that there is such a profession as politics, but look, politicians too, and politicians can be a cook - said another politician, look, look, with this exists

after all. different traditions and schools, yes, in those the united american states, as they were once called, yes, there is still a school of journalism, which assumes, the colombian one, yes, in my opinion, which assumes that people go there, and those who have received an education, that is, those same educated ones, well in this case, the americans, although when i studied there, i generally met few of them, but nevertheless, they already have, as an additional skill, having studied journalism there for a couple of years, but there is still our classical university preparation for what's here the difference, yaroslavovich, how should we approach this? well, i would say this, probably, if you wish, you can find really very different models, yes, even it seems to me that you can travel around the united states itself, see the differences in the presentation of information, in the methods of working with information, in different parts of the country, in different, let's say, layers of society, as in any other large country. but it seems to me that

in essence, what, as it seems to me, we teach our students, we teach them to think, and to think soberly, interestingly, to reason, not just to philosophize, not just to kind of give free rein to your fantasies, but clearly based on a good background, once already quoted, my colleague romanovichoida once said a wonderful thing, which i often quote, to my students, what is culture? this is a system of self-restraint, vladimirovidin. so, it seems to me that this includes these self-restraints, that is. that is, we develop their skills to think, reason, formulate interesting questions, again, we have often encountered, here it seems to me that romanovich and i had a different experience of traveling to mexico, but it was very interesting , it would seem that they are nearby states, and before that the romanovs crossed northern carolina, but

a completely different presentation, a completely different perception, and this is what really makes the world interesting, and our profession is interesting. why do you see these differences? two academy awards and four golden globe awards. do you want to pay for three billboards on a road where only lost idiots drive? you better not be smart. so, mildred hayes, why did you rent these billboards. my duch angelo was kidnapped, raped and killed 7 months ago not far from this very road. i would do anything to catch the culprit. and this is not fair to me. during the time that you... were driving here, someone else's girl could have been cut into pieces, you've gone completely crazy, you started trending about it on tv, the townspeople are categorically against these billboards. do you know who did this? what did you do? it looks like this little house has declared war on me. the more the public gets involved, the greater the chance of solving the case. all this anger

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of course, but it should not be an absolutely dominant skill, the ability to ask questions - this is also the ability to listen to answers, this is where journalists sometimes sag, but this is a universal skill, vladimir romanovich, a journalist needs this in north and south america and africa. in asia in russia, the ability to ask questions, the ability to listen to answers is also needed everywhere, but what conclusions a journalist draws from these answers and how he compares this with the available material is, of course, a national tradition, i would say that journalism in general is a national product, it a strange profession in terms of the combination of universal qualifications and national qualifications, and you said correctly, in america

, in the united states of america, there is a system of journalism schools, they are not always part of the university program, it is rather , you know, such, no, this is a pre, high level - this is the study of mass communications, media, that’s the theory, at the level. journalism schools teach you to practice how to ask questions, get answers, and put it all into material. the russian tradition is different, probably due to a number of reasons, the fact that we are a text-centric country, we love texts, and we are purists in relation to our language, we we need a literate language, because we understand literate speech, because we... understand that speech reflects the mentality of our people, therefore we teach language at

the university level, this is the main thing , it seems to me, the difference, we teach language, literature, understanding the text as a separate world with its own laws, working with words , a lot of new topics and questions immediately arise, but i want to ask yaroslavovich about this, starting from the phrase that one of the main skills is asking questions. and under what conditions - the journalist may not ask questions, but offering answers, or such situations, does not happen, it’s a difficult question, i was faced with the fact that especially freshmen, this was literally a few years ago, maybe just before the pandemic, now they come to the first year, you enter the audience and in front of you are still young spinozas, they are absolutely convinced that a journalist is a person who knows the answer to all questions, and you begin. they tell them, guys, look what an interesting conflict, they adopted the civil code, this law remains the same, here

a legal vacuum arises, they say, look , there’s something you don’t understand, you ask us, we’ll tell you everything now, that’s when i told them, i say, guys, you understand, but you shouldn’t know the answer to all the questions, no one knows them, maybe encyclopedists, but most likely they are absent from this audience, the skill of a journalist is that by formulating a topic, you can come up with good, smart, interesting, correct questions and... imagine the circle of those experts, who will give their own answers to the questions you come up with. ask, if we go back to the national tradition, it seems to me that this is a very important idea, look, we somehow differentiate - quite rigidly or not rigidly, journalism and publicity, yeah, you took it out of the language, here is our fedor, dear mikhalovich, a writer’s diary, is publicity in many ways, but can it be called journalism? you know, if you remember the soviet system of even genres, and there journalistic genres

had a separate place, then we can say that the soviet theory of journalism, and it put journalism at the top of the professions, but this does not mean that any reporter, news writer, or even feature writer could... write an op-ed in which he had the right to express his opinion, journalism, the right to speak, the right to express his own opinion, but the point is that really to people in russia treat journalists with trepidation, because fyodor mikhailovich was not a journalist, he was a writer and the writer could express his own bias in some way, even his tendentious, but personal, therefore, if this is

the relationship between journalism and publicity build, then journalism is a creative profession with significant elements of craft, and publicity is the statement of people who are moral authorities in society, yes, statements on current topics, statements are enough, closely related to journalism, with the current agenda, but it is still a statement an intellectual, an intellectual, as you and i said, and you and i will not find in any country in the world such respect for publicists as there is in russia, there is not even such a word in the english language, publicist, why english is important here, well, because the main terminology of the profession, it is very strongly tied to news, deadlines, okay,

even clickbait, all this comes from english, i would say. english-american-english, even more than the american-english language, because the americans wrote those very simple, sketchy textbooks on journalism, from which the world then began to learn from which, through which these universal standards came, and then appeared here here prokhorov, and somewhere mcquell, somewhere in france their authors, who added this national note, and the americans so... began with simple textbooks, if i could , i would give an illustration of the words, which in this case, no matter how strange it may be, i completely agree, you know, i was lucky, in the second half of the year, when i graduated, i first got an internship, then a job at a literary newspaper, that same literary newspaper that flourished in the last years of alexander borivichakovsky, and

you know, a very interesting literary newspaper, among the employees there are many members of the writers' union, and you know, here i am... such a wonderful executive secretary , vital alexander chmoev, was not very good, so i was there in his office, there was some text there, i brought something there , we hand over the materials there strips, one of the greats comes in, i don’t remember now, just writers, he says, vitaly, look, here’s a photo for the text, he’s so calm, caption for the photo, vitaly, i’m a member of the union of writers of the ussr, what’s the caption for photo, alexander straightening his eyes like this, says, here as a member of the ussr allies to do. such a caption to the photo, to me, that any journalist, his jaw will simply respond, here is your professionalism as a writer, creator, publicist, it’s like, this doesn’t mean that, what is it, a caption to the photo, it’s not for me, i’ve outgrown it, nothing like that, you should do it in such a way that it’s used as an example for young journalists, they say, yes , he’s really an intellectual, very interesting,

our reasoning, let’s get to today, here... look, the internet has radically changed our lives and quite seriously affected the profession, i will try to be very brief, if something seems inconsistent with reality, you are welcome to discuss, but it seems to me that the era of major major broadcasters has passed, which could reach huge audiences, they created cultural phenomena, yes, i i repeat, i don’t want to offend anyone, but such cultural phenomena as the el beatles , in many ways, are a product of the media environment of their time, without currently evaluating the music... merits, but this is connected with the media, today, look what our situation is , i'm on in the first year, while conducting a master class, i give the task to journalists , my young, yes, first-year students, when we are being interviewed, to choose some famous interviewers, and my task is to negotiate with them so that the freshman will go and interview them, the result of which was the book that we made, and you elena leonidna reviewed it, thank you very much for this, but look what i have encountered over the past

few years, i have been confronted, usually like we have a small group of six there are eight people, i say, guys, the main thing is that you these interviewers did not match you, you choose everyone, then i will provide you with, so to speak, to produce for them, yes, so several years ago , names unknown to me began to appear on these lists, last academic year, out of six selected interviewers, students , freshmen, i didn’t know, in my opinion three of them, well, half of them exactly , but the problem is not only that i didn’t know them, the fact is that the guys didn’t know those, so to speak, leaders of public opinion who were chosen by their classmates , this is a radical change information field, to what extent should this be reflected in our classical approaches to the educational process, and is it reflected today?

that was a question, yes elena, and bloggers, yeah. about bloggers he says, well, they were bloggers, they were, and some people from social networks who were influencers of public opinion, influencers there. in some ways this is a paradigm shift, in others it is not, because fragmented media have always been the most fragmented, even after gutenberg created the printing press, the magazine market became the most fragmented. and it is possible that we are now facing this, micro-influencers are good at catering to the interests of their groups.

our research shows that the influence... in a super-fragmented way, they can very well satisfy the interests of fans there , i don’t know, some kind of urban rap or fans of growing cacti, these audiences do not intersect today, maybe they would not have intersected in the past, journalists had such an opportunity to work for very narrow and niche audiences, that is, the technical opportunity appeared and everything starts crumble, but there are some unpleasant conclusions from this. and first, information bubbles appear, echo chambers, different researchers, analysts call it different things, and people isolate themselves in their comfortable environments, they are so good, i don’t know about this urban rap, but actually they get used to it, that they no longer need a common agenda , they are quite happy with the communication within the audience

, to be with friends, from here we come to this terrible kensel kalchi, a culture of exclusion, because i am only in this wonderful world, i don’t need other people and i don’t want them, the second problem, in my opinion, is the lack of m... this single, what habermass called, public or social sphere that unites us all, so i also don’t agree with you now when i say that the era of majors and broadcasters, these broadcasters, it will not go away as long as we have a state, a modern state, with its institutions common to the entire society. i wouldn't like to argue with you here, because i would be glad if it were so, but look, i just have the freshest

example, i gave an interview, it was related to the topic of the transfer of an icon, the rublev icon of the trinity, the russian orthodox church, and a colleague on the radio asked me, he said , society is split, which means who is for, who is against, there is ta-ta-ta, cultural a disaster, i tell him, dear, beloved colleague, firstly, society split only on your airwaves, uh-huh, but... the day before yesterday i talked with one - let's put it this way, a young man of college age, he was not a student moscow university, nor a student of gimo, but i mentioned in passing this fact, because i was sure that everyone was talking about him, as they say now, during the conversation it turned out that he not only had not heard about this fact, but he did not know who andrei rublev was and that the icon existed trinity, it seems to me that this is a consequence of the fact that here he is in this shell of his, he has these micro-macro influencers there, and... they don’t get to him, vladimir romanovich, you are both right and wrong, because young people , young people always have

a slightly different level of interest and many studies have shown that after young people come to work, they become more like established professionals and citizens , take part in elections, earn money, so i think that after all, television, while we live in society, our podcast comes out on channel one, everyone watches it and will watch it and will watch it, and even children will compare some of their ideas about reality with television or television programs, they will watch them online, but these will be television programs, today we gathered our thoughts about what journalism is, what and how it prepares journalists. elena vartanova, yaroslav skvartsov, i’m vladimir leggoeda, we continue. let's take the era before the internet, when

not all irons were talking. i remember from literature, from personal experience, such situations when, for example, in some family, in some community they could say: excuse me, please, but a person who has not read kavka does not enter this house and until you read, get to know this author, with this artist, let’s not continue our conversations, it was this very fragmentation according to, as sociologists say, our own stranger, yes, here we are a group, one group, thanks to these very irons that spoke of the internet era, here distribution became instantaneous, that is, before you had to come to this society, go in, be let in, now there is a feeling of accessibility, especially something that young people easily fall for, and you know how from the series, i didn’t find it in the search engine, no in nature, maybe you have the wrong request passed, or did not go beyond the tenth correct.

yes, so look, these same, as you said, talking irons, they create a certain feeling of a general background, it seems to me that the most serious influence of the internet not only on media, but on our lives in general, is a feeling of lightness and accessibility , and deceptive, deceptive, when it seems, so here they are, that’s what it was necessary for, well, look, colleagues, i understand that this is such a big, endless conversation, we all immediately light up here, but ... still, really seriously the information field is changing, so we teach students the rules of three sources, but listen, in practice, let’s be honest, here’s a journalist, he has a dilemma: be the first without double-checking, yeah, or publish and then apologize, and i can’t think of one right now, this is not a hypothetical situation, i remember how one federal media cleverly with a link, yes, a respected media reported there about the death of a cultural figure who did not die, but since they wrote that

a blogger reported about it, then, in general, they were legally protected , yes, the blogger reported, reported, then they also apologized to their wife, who said that guys, stop , you know, these are the ones, we constantly find ourselves in situations like this, yes, if, after all , the classical information field, a journalist is obliged to check the facts, then today we got into everything , when the reader, here’s another very real example, we were having one big church event, someone called me... i just read in the federal news agency about something, such and such, well, connected with our event, if you confirm , i'll broadcast it, you can imagine that 20 years ago, someone would have said that the agency wrote something, and the person double-checks it, but it was impossible, i was listening to you now, vladimirovich, look, don’t you think

that’s it. .. there are two problems that overlap very closely: the first is the emergence of the internet and the ensuing consequences, the second is commercialization, as you rightly said, so i’ll be the first, ho, so i’m hype, i’m me i get it, sometimes it’s a work issue, as one colleague told me, the editor-in-chief told me this publication, that either i don’t remember now there are 1000 posts a day, or we are closing your editorial office, thematic one, and what should it do there for the sake of clickability of headlines? you are at the very beginning of this story, you touched on a very interesting topic concerning presley and the beatles, yes, look how interesting it is, uh , as far as i remember, the most published, replicated composer in the world, if i may be wrong, and i didn’t look at the latest measurements, but in my opinion, this is one of the bets, wait,

this means that all the world classics, she somewhere overboard, look, quickly that halo spread, citations, background mentions, everything else and some basic things, that’s how they are leveled out, you and i know very well that there is a kind of european school, an american school, we get involved in a fight, if it was necessary to apologize later, we will apologize, the concept of respectability, the same financial times, it’s scary to imagine that i will apologize for the mistake i made, as the editor-in-chief said, not the chief... to be the first, the main thing is to write on time, well this is very wise, but today we have such formats as supplemented news, that’s okay, but corrected news, but that’s what we have, unfortunately, so we’ll have to gather our thoughts, probably more than once, i have the last one for you i have a question, i would like to ask you to dissuade a person who