[000:00:00;00] bu, it was probably destined somewhere, i don’t know, of course, i pulled out a lucky ticket , because i had it, when he took me to the third year, he says, let’s do it this way, i’m taking you for six months, we’ll understand, you develop in six months or not, and yes, yes, we say, either we stay or we go our separate ways, and i took an external exam in 3 years, in six months, in 3 years, i passed all the exams, i lived in a hostel, or acted, i lived in general, no, i lived at all, no, at first i asked him to live in the basement, so that... no one would disturb me, so that i could study, but since it was the basement of the heating main, after a week i began to swell, just the humidity, then the dorms, no, i lived in the dorm on trifonovskaya, yes, that’s it, i passed, and he said, i’m staying, but he could have said goodbye , that is, he gave me this ticket, and whether i used it or not, it depended on me , so the wording for a careless attitude towards talent, for a careless, yes, negligent attitude towards talent, how great that is, i have to

remember this, yes, you wanted and... i remember how vladimir viktorich petrov, my teacher once straight out of despair he said: “well, we behaved badly, we broke it there, yes, and he said , shame on you, look, and when you girls entered, we had eight girls on the course, four, 4,000 people there were 4,000 for the place from auditions, then tours, then bells, he says, you got in with such difficulty, you’re not ashamed, and the boys, shame on you, he says, you wanted, you dreamed of entering the theater institute, you got in , you don’t study, it’s like that for us, well, too , you were such shakeups, of course, not saints well, the point is different, i’ll tell you, the point is different, our profession, here it seems, well , go out, go play, but when the student enters, he doesn’t even understand where he ended up, these exercises are incomprehensible for children , and he doesn’t understand, an imaginary subject, now

only a year has passed, i think, half of... the courses have collapsed, they seemed to be where we ended up, and half understood, yes, this is mine, so we had the same thing , well, for me it was always that it was mine, and for me it didn’t seem to raise any question, but many only now, but you explain to them why, for what purpose, look, there is, well, today , kven people, everyone goes to the cinema, because it’s kind of like, well, a profession, and what did you learn the text, go and see it there speak, but you see, for example, that... a person has no education, because you can’t call like that, dial, and immediately say, hello, because yes, you should hear what they answer you, well, what - like that, and you understand why you need a school of stage movement, stage speech, and rhythm, yes, you all this, and in general after college - this is, in principle, a zero level, such a foundation, and then you need to build all your life, why do i love it, today we talked after the run, i said, i like it, why

play this? why give this an exam, why teach, this is an exam, i have an exam for me every day, and i understand , i talk to myself, how much i set the bar for myself, that is, this is a test of me through all this, and it’s interesting to me, so i understand when someone does it better, so why, that is, i watch a lot, read a lot, am interested in a lot, because it ’s interesting to me, i understand, wait, it’s been 60 years, this. these, yes, yes, yes, tell me, one of your boys took after you, well, he inherited your gift, well, the senior operator, the middle one doesn’t want to act theatrically, so he is now graduating from theater school, in the sense of a regular theater school, with theatrical slant, he understood, he is creative, he graduated from a music class in the piano class, yes, i think, welcome, well, first of all, remembering my parents,

after all, at one time they didn’t... prevent me from leaving as a fifteen-year-old boy 2,000 km away in irkutsk to enroll, why do you have a destiny in it? go, try it, did they let you go meaningfully, or did the parents not really care about the children back then? sash, no, no, we have a different story, we have three sons, on the contrary, they said, very wise, uh, they said that so that you never tell us that we didn’t allow you to try something, although they were on 1.000% sure which artist, which... central school, and when i arrived, entered, they didn’t even ask me, whether i entered or not, i arrived, and then i say, so wait, i entered , my mother began to cry, how, that is, i am grateful, why should i forbid my children to choose their life, their profession, today, when there is a different life, parents like the rule is, listen, dad is the dean of medicine, yes, get an education, doctors will always, always be with you, and then do

music, whatever you want, because today the profession of an actor is not as high-status as it was even in our time with you, different films, today, look what quantity, how can there be so many... talented people, in general, here i am always , there were four theater institutes there, yes, very few, they graduated every year, and even then the guys could not get a job, we were assigned to go somewhere, today it’s millions, now that so many tv series are being filmed, sash, look, there aren’t enough actors, today the actors are walking around the buffet, when i found out how much the girl who plays an episode in the film has, what is the fee, my mood soured because i'm jealous i think, how is it possible that i have the main role? i think yes, but you see, i have a rider, i say, what kind, i say, oh well , i won’t buy water for myself, you know, so what , i then, but that’s all, you understand, today everything is different, i agree with you, but there are my own but, well, yes, the time is different

, here tabakov says again, san, you understand, we suddenly woke up in another country, there was socialism, yes, but here, here, it’s like, market, market. .. relationships, so you are a product and sell yourself at any cost, because why are all these bloggers, everything, money, here it seems to them, they have different guidelines, we just lived in another country, we had everything different, guidelines, well, everything, so they should, just then the blogger should not have the main role, you know, bloggers are not allowed, but them, you see, they are drawn to television, they lead so, they don’t know how to do this, the profession, i’ll be honest, the profession has been devalued, so i can’t imagine how you are a director-teacher, how you have the patience for all this, i got the dean's office to say that

despite the fact that they pay the university a lot of money, i’ll pay it back mercilessly, or i’ll leave, because well, why, i can’t lie to myself, i should like to pay attention to the child, if i understand zero, why, well, why, so no, well then please, i 'll leave. but again there are 28 people from the course, but 10 are amazing, i’ll leave, they came to me to study, i’ll recruit them, that ’s what to do, here you are - you’ll be calm, so to speak, satisfied, if a from your course, where 28 guys, how many will take place, from my course it’s just me and sashka lykov, it’s hard to say here, but i can say one thing, here they are in the first year, i’ve already named them, i’m calling them for screen tests, well, they haven’t approved yet, but they are studying, and maybe they’ll approve someone , that is, i’m already the ones who reciprocate with me , they plow, and i see that they are talented, like tabakov, again, he simply organized

the naskovs, well, he just had spawning, and if he didn’t have a course, he had practically everything, and you know how it was, he accrued from his course he arranged for a student at another institute, this could be, what are you talking about, yes, but i just won’t say the names of the actors, he... enrolled students, placed them in another university, but this is now possible, that’s the same thing and i say, guys, i’m already taking them to rehearsals at the theater so that they can watch me as a teacher, a director there, yes, i say, it doesn’t matter , i’m here, i’m an actor here, i may not do something, but i have to look, suggest that you see me at work, then we sorted it out, by the way, i did such a thing in college, i invited students of my course to the performance in the snuffbox, and then came to class and said, let’s look at the artist’s performance mokhov, not a teacher, but an artist mokhov, which i liked, and i didn’t flirt , i was interested in how we learned from the playing of tabakov and other artists, but they came, let’s sort it out, this is a profession, that’s why i

can’t betray these 10 people, because they reciprocate with me, creatively, humanly, look, you have succeeded as a husband , as a father, as a father, as a director, you shoot all the time, as a teacher, as an artist, but there are still some desires, you have dreams there is, here again, i asked uh, oleg pavlovich, at 75 years, how much has the tabak artist realized himself, 90 percent , he says, are you crazy, 35 percent, i thought , he’s flirting, and then, he says, and aranevskaya with her talent, how much, and then i realized when we started talking when he started teaching, he left the contemporary, where he was a young director. and practically laris, he did not play a single role, the one that, those roles that he played before, did not play at this level, he took and dedicated the rest of his life to his students, to his

theater, and this is also true, and this is himself he admitted this to me, so the path is important to me, now i’m rehearsing, in lapeda vego, yes, it’s very important for me, today i was worried like a boy, although i understood that i was doing it well, but i was worried, a true actor-talent without valuable, he trembles with timidity every step before the stage, and i’m thrilled, tomorrow my students will show the department exam, and i’ll be worried, you know, i want to say that your student... very lucky to have you, your partners, very happy you are lucky, your children and your women, because i started program because you are rare, thank you so much, my beloved, my beloved, sasha, this was a podcast of a letter, my guest was the honored artist, producer, teacher,

director, alexander mokhov. hello everyone, this is a chef on wheels podcast, with you chef artyom martirosov and chef mirka dzaga. hello mirka, do you know what i would like to talk to you about today? about food, about chefs, about cooking? yes, of course , that’s all about it, but i would like to formulate today’s topic exactly like this: can chefs ... well, of course not, for me it’s like, well rock star, well, who is the mixjager in the kitchen, in russia, who is there, i don’t know, kardka bain, bonovox, well, no, this is my opinion, maybe we have become very popular, wow, i’m still i remember the attitude towards the chefs, i came here, imagine in 2001, so in russia, when i went to... the kitchen there

paid a lot of attention to the chef, i remember i came to the open restaurant cheese, also there when came, they poured me tea, there was very, very great attention, and for me it was very strange, because i came from the michelin restaurant, where i worked there, oh, believe me, at the end of the work day i still had a shower , you know, and there wasn’t such and such... much attention, on the contrary, for me there was some kind of contrast nonsense, yes, but the cooks, just a cook, but they thought, well, a person who, well, if he can’t do anything, shares his life, and not his work, how will he be sent to the kitchen, and somehow, well, miscech as a little bit of a believer, such a fool, yes, but boss on top. like a king, let's do it, you are probably one of the most

famous italian chefs in russia, let's start with this, i'll be honest, i'm following you, i'm following you honestly, i'm following you very much , and i know what you can do, i mean that you have the most beautiful italian classics, i know that this is cuisine, probably the closest to you, well, because it’s still yours, yes, well, yes, at least for me there is always, even from new ones there is a dispute, yes, once upon a time, honestly, when i came here, i still remember the tasting that was shared. i gave him something new to drink, roughly speaking, well, not alcohol, but food, i prepared him a chocolate drizzle , this is from 2001, but it was served with cheese filling smoked with lamb tartare next to it there was asparagus ice cream as a dessert, well, look, even now when you’re telling it, you remind me more as if you were actually singing a song. for example, i would compare them to an opera singer, even if he’s not a rock star, well, i’m not i know, i don’t know who

i can be compared with and whether it is possible at all, but i understand, and who did you compare yourself to musically? i’ll tell you, this is a little -known singer, i lived in brazil for a long time, in fact, and there i first found myself in a kitchen, i’ll tell you honestly, it was a monastery catholic, and i cooked there for my brothers, let's say, for the community, and how , wait, how did you end up in brazil, i fortunately met a very... wonderful man who, when he saw me, thought that i was a continuation his business, this is a famous person who builds shelters all over the world, builds rehabilitation centers, meets with the pope constantly, this is freigans, this is a german who settled in brazil, and not only, but i got there at the age of 14, and where, and where did i meet him, i met him in in one of the government institutions, when we submitted documents for compensation for our burnt apartment, i just met him... why , i’ll explain, the fact is that he was doing himself,

let’s call it that, registration for staying in russia, that’s the fate of life, absolutely that's right, that's fate, indeed, i lived for 7 years in this catholic monastery, thereby ending up in the kitchen when, upon returning, respectively, to russia, for a long time a lot of people were spinning around me, a lot of people were spinning around, they often surrounded me, talked about that something is wrong with me, i will explain why, you know perfectly well, really in the place where you live, or with the people with whom you live, when they are clean, free, open to you, you really begin shine, really sit when they believe in you, when you believe , when you got into your own business, what do you like in brazil i did all the jobs, i was a cabinet maker for 2 years, i worked with mahogany for a very long time, and i was a digger, i cut down forests, indeed, i sowed fields with manga, i cooked cheeses, in general, i did a lot, i i remade so many things that upon arrival i became a craftsman, but why did you return to

russia, honestly? yes, now, look, now it will happen, i will not just be an armenian, i will be a real italian, i returned because of a russian woman. i couldn’t, i couldn’t find a common language with brazilian women, meaning that i saw in a russian woman this conversation, conversation, and her wonderful disposition, so for this reason i came back and decided that i should have a wife russian, and when you decided to become a chef, the fact is that my older brother, in fact, he was already a chef at that time, but he was so goezy, he is so family-owned and barnaul, not barnaul, his mother, my aunt, roughly speaking, i also called her mother all my life, was a cook in the kindergarten for a long time, so to speak , so my path, i ended up at the age of 21, this was probably my first restaurant , i ended up with someone, you probably know him, i ended up in the green restaurant, but unfortunately with me there was just a star, that’s absolutely it was already, i think, this is no longer, this is already

a maestro, yes, indeed, that’s what everyone called him, but somehow it didn’t work out for me, i left, i ended up in a cheesecake cafe, absolutely. a simple cafe where i made it, it was 2006, i made herring with potatoes and served it, you know what it is, yes, i made puff pastry tarts, well, in general, it all started from the very minimum, but the fact is that the whole family , which we have, she cooks very tasty, all my relatives are really mine, my two aunts, it’s the other way around for me, imagine, my mother doesn’t know how to cook, i think she’s the only woman from sicily who doesn’t know how to cook at all. even i have one dish that i, which is called clem butter, tomato, where i will tell stories, when you mother cooks the sauce there, on the side, how to buy tomato concentrate like that, you introduce yourself, take crusty bread on the outside, soft inside, dip it, pour olive oil over it, she will give you

this is a piece of pure joy, well, i’ll say, now everyone will go to the refrigerator, you’re in vain to tell such stories, but there is a small one, but i say, there are small ones, but it wasn’t mine. which i hate now, cubes, uh-huh, margarine, powdered, food that i even, i i even in restaurant, i even bring it, the only thing i bring to the restaurant is that the cube is used even for the staff, then when i became a believer, i always wanted to do everything myself, not use half-finished products. everything from the product itself, which exists in nature, i know that you really have a lot of experience, how long have you been working as a chef, what is your experience? look, i was called chef for the first time, also an interesting story, i actually started out as a cook, i don’t have

a chef’s education, i worked at our job, like when i was 14 years old, well, in the summer my family was actually not very rich, that’s putting it mildly, in general it was so a little poor, well , once upon a time i was little, even sometimes there was no food at home, so i was always like, uh, i hate love with food , and how once upon a time, for 16 years, we started working in a restaurant as if it were a septic tank, there is such a thing , it was very beautiful, tuttofary, tuttofary. it divides everything, so you washed the dishes, uh, washed the frying pans, the root worker, there’s the ubchik, the station wagon, it’s very hard, in fact, the work is not easy, ah, i already

had an interest in, the most interesting thing is, after a few years, i remember when you were very little, yes, children usually play with the car, yes, but for some reason i played with the castrulo. i had a grandmother from the gdr, they brought us from germany , these were made of brass, which was not in the air, so small, frying pans exactly the same as an ordinary frying pan, and i started creating something there, moving something like that, already there , i've always loved, then to create displaces, something, maybe, maybe at the beginning, you think, they they like... don't think they started working in restaurant in my city at that time in italy there were, in my opinion, five restaurants with two michelin stars, one of them was from my city, it was called kavalubianka, i always went, read the menu, because i didn’t have money, coded to

eat inside, naturally, and read the menu, and there they were very beautiful, i remember memories of pollenta, and i always dreamed, dreamed, after a little fate, i was led to an internship, to this restaurant, and i was introduced to the chef, i was 22 years old and i trained so well that i was called as a chef when i was 23 years old, but he as it was known in two stars, so there i even have a chef written on my work book, and i called myself as sushef, because there for me it was like my guru, so you can imagine when i came here in moscow, and such an attitude

to just like this already when i came i was already so small uh a star i think it’s already started and everywhere in the world uh in italy the same thing there before i i remember well the profession is like that anyway and it is what it is it’s a difficult profession all the holidays you’re different rest and you work in the evening when everyone is at home you so it’s somehow still not the best thing to work? the best profession in this direction, well, there is one thing that kept me in this profession, you can give people’s joy , you understand, when a person eats and thanks you, you you him, well, it will lift his spirits, and he will return to you, this is for for me, one of the most valuable, because the time of our lives is tied to emotions, you know, first love. the first child, how when loved ones lose, how well, these are

different types of emotions, but this is all our life through emotions, so people are good to give emotions, this is so uh a profession - it’s such a noble yes, but not always grateful, here you sit, talk, now even your emotions are jumping, i most often talk about the fact that sparks fly to a person, why do i still want more once to touch upon, or rather not just our main topic, but to say, look, you had such a thorny path, it wasn’t an easy one for you, you were going to become a chief, indeed, to be called a chief, because i was waiting for the boss to tell me, well, then i realized that i really, too, a boss, you bring emotions and joy to people, you want to give them, you want to receive the same bright emotions from people, you are very famous, let's start with this, you are already in the media. well, you are very famous, in fact, you are a very media boss, everyone knows about it, i’ll tell you that many appear

on programs somewhere, i sometimes also meet there after - your participation, they say that you a ready-made presenter, but the thing is that i understand when you go through such a path from a completely simple person, yes, when there really was no food, there and so on and so forth and you grow into a real something, you then understand that you would like to see just... respect and this is really enough for you as a craftsman, and as a master, really, as a professional in your field, and everyone else in any case looks at you like you really are a star, well, that’s it , well, i don’t know, it’s, well, maybe it’s me, it’s that again, you said it right, it’s not me that’s being discussed, i’m a star or no, i don’t consider myself a star, i consider myself good, well, good specialists, i love my profession, it’s not even a profession, it’s my life, it’s my mission, so somehow, then if again i

give uh joy to people, yes, for me it’s already like my little uh star, but something... then he strives for this, yes, i personally don’t strive, it’s like, well, again, not my goal, it’s worth knowing and whether to become a star? anechka, my friend made a young girl out of a girl, we are professionally engaged in ethnography and folklore, the whole company. our mission is to build a bridge from modernity into the cultural environment of our ancestors. we're having a wedding. our premiere, from october 8 to sunday on first, this is a podcast of chefs on wheels, i am chef marterosov artyom, and this is

chef mir kazaga and we continue, i often see there, and generally beyond their years, in which they invest a lot of marketing , a lot of pr, it grows up very quickly, well, this is honestly mass media, i remember when i was still in school, yes, massma is such mass communication, yes, they already existed, yes, there was a tv before, well, even before there was a radio, then magazine, now these social networks, and how the world is changing. and it’s always been these things, but you have to get used to it all, you have to, you have to get used to it, you have to stay , you say everything correctly, i really see how young people grow, how some literally in just a few months become wow, cool, cool on kukna, only

the eggs are running around, honestly, well, well, let’s just say, i even went a little overboard there, but you’re really right, now a new establishment is opening, everyone is like, wow, cool, something new has appeared, like these emotions are flowing, i know that literally still there, well, 15 years ago there was no such thing, there was not so much discussion of food, there weren’t these mega emotions, let’s say, sparkling, that’s what you think, that’s these are the emotions, this is this trend, let’s go, it will remain forever, like rock roll , it’s eternal, classic, well, it’s not, well, it’s also classic and rock still changed, even rock changed, you know, it’s even classic she changed, she stayed, well, she is less, less, often classical music composer very little, honestly, one thing that i immediately, well, saw, once i came here to russia, is that the russian consumer, but anyway, for me, he was always

very led. he always want this, this, this is so, for me it's always funny when there, this is that time, at first i was offended yes, because when you're young, it's more, things are different, when i came here, i was beaten for 30 years, can you imagine how long i am now ? said i was in vitalia in ligure at such a restaurant, the turbos baked me, so you probably also had such an experience, i ate at that restaurant, that’s what i was doing with such a salad, well, you want to say, well, go eat there, what’s the problem,

right, that’s why, well, it’s always been now people eat through photographs, i also don’t understand how any sphere, yes, even how , when i buy, uh, well, i don’t know, at home, yes, a skaf, or that one, well, i especially don’t look at reviews that way, but i want touch, this is a closet, so i ’ll go to the store myself, they’ll look at it myself, i i’ll touch it myself, well, but what they write, well, again, someone will like your kitchen, someone won’t like it, someone will like mine, someone won’t dislike it. and it will always be that they have become more picky now, in your opinion, are the guests or not, honestly, well, first of all, come on, when i came here, russians didn’t travel like that, and then they began to travel a lot, so of course you are there to enrich your well, knowledge of taste, and it’s good that a russian person is open

the new one is broken for me, of course it’s good as when came here, yes, i had one like that, i don’t remember how many years, i tried to remove the cream from the pasta there with mushrooms, because and explain to people that the taste of mushrooms becomes better, then the pasta with cream and mushrooms, it tasty, yes, but there is one definite taste, and if i want a stronger , more distinct taste of mushrooms, uh-huh, the cream will drown her a little, they gave her a little more like that - smooth, and i was always looking for a taste that was bright, bright, up, down, sour, spicy, sweet , salons, creamy, this is this, this is good, but this is such a very simple taste, but it’s empty, yes, yes, no empty, but simple, because well, there is taste, there is taste, okay, but you came to russia at the age of 30, started working, and how did you become

so media, famous and not fair, well, again this one got it all like this, first, i have always been, well, until now i have always been a fan of cinema, and so it all started with cinema, or how it all began, not just simple and... for me it was interesting to get on tv, yes, so when i was called, of course, i can’t say that it wasn’t unpleasant for me, on the contrary, it was pleasant, it’s still considered once upon a time i was very little, i barked very loudly, well, i literally barked that you were being bullied by children, i just talked directly, like this, so you understand, such a boy who doesn’t even know how to talk will then end up on tv, this is already such ...' yes, i agree, so, and so, we got it honestly, purely by chance, the first time, you remember, well, yes, yes, because there was a broadcast of vlaslin's taste, so, on the first channel, they

called me for the first episode and i immediately lost with at least the winner of the series, because i still didn’t know russian well, i didn’t quite understand mechanisms of the game, uh, next year i was invited too, and i prepared myself and won, i had a family with a first wife , there was such a program, it was interesting, like two chefs, yes, there are two families, the family cooks and you cooks, but you can’t touch what they’re cooking, you can just show them and nothing, he won’t try, and the jury will try not, not not your dishes. so you showed it clearly, they repeated it, according to you, so it was very uh, interesting, so, very

good, so such a way, very good experience for me, i am the kind of person who believes in work, yes, so through work, through a person can achieve, well, a good result, so today, tomorrow, you know, lord, the day after tomorrow, everything, well, something will work out. my opinion is the same, that only with your own hands can you make your way, so to speak, your head is important, yes, no, of course , you need to think, but the fact is that i’m also trying to get somewhere, i used to try to get on tv , now they have started to invite me on tv more or less and so on further and so on, but from my family , no one is a media person, and most often my parents and relatives, although we have six people in total, they are shy. my children, looking at me the other way around now, i have a son who is 11 years old, he is in the sixth grade there, he is always the leader at school, for example, well, most often they call and he leads everything, there for first-graders, for second-graders, in general, my

children have become more sociable looking at me, i think this is cool, this is cool, but i have always been eager for everything - they realized that of course i’m exaggerating this there, but i’ll say that all caucasians are, more precisely, not all evil, or not all bad, or not all good, this is all clear, so that, yes, absolutely right, just tell me, i, i know the fact that i got somewhere on tv, somewhere else somehow, somewhere in competitions, but for me, for example, it helped me further, well, look for a more prestigious job, here you go, it helped these things, that you became media, famous, well , i understand, i worked at novikov 22 years ago, now i’m working with him, so somehow, that’s why i don’t really have a plan to work strong probably helped, because then i also had different programs there, then i was called to masterchef, vitaly’s masterchef was already very

popular, but honestly i never watched it, in fact, before that, they called me, and then i watched the american version and the italian version, at least i prepared myself a little, because anyway, my russian , well, it’s still not like that, i always spoke like a tarzan, yes, because i didn’t study at school, so of course there is a mistake, it’s very primitive, so was very important to me it’s a very good experience, even i can say, my grandson, yes, that i was in the cinema, like a movie fan, i once participated in a movie , so this is a very serious movie with naked people, uninvited, i played a taxi role there. occupied, so i can say, there i am, like my little dream, yes , to be an actor, i love myself more, well, as a director himself, something of an actor, well, my