[000:00:00;00] i didn’t watch it, in fact, before that, they called me, and then i watched the american version and the italian version, so that at least i’ll prepare myself a little, because anyway, my russian, well, it’s still not like that, i always say, i’m like tarzan i talked, yes, because i didn’t teach at school, so of course, sometimes a mistake is very simple and primitive, so it was a very, very good experience for me, even i can say, grandson , yes, that i was in the cinema, like a fan cinema, i once participated in the cinema so-and-so, very seriously, cinema with naked people, uninvited, i’m there i played the role of a taxi driver, so i can say there i’m like my little dream , yes, to be an actor, at least i love myself more, well , through the director himself, somehow an actor, well, my

little one, yes, it came true, and that’s how it is for me i was always like parallels, but i never thought - to take this as my first uh profession, at least if we look at the financial side, well, naturally, the tv will provide you more than the kitchen, that’s for sure, well, there’s already love for one’s own, that’s true , well , it's just like me, i love cuisine, i love prepare. i like to come up with ideas, i love guests, so i don’t regret it, honestly, i know you well, in fact, i’m saying it again, i ’ve been following you, honestly, and i’ve known william lamberti for a long time, this is the first chef - the chef i met here in moscow, honestly, mega cool people , this is true for me, and what’s more, i

most often treat my people with respect, who in business understand perfectly how hard work is, and william and you say, yes indeed, well, in russian, you understand everything perfectly, you have there is a good such a powerful accent, please tell me, you just speak so much italian at home, no, yes, but not so much at home, because my wife is russian, and my son, unfortunately, knows little italian, well, that’s how we talk , on our dna, on... i understand, but it’s no big deal, you can stick two words on the refrigerator every day, i’m not very helpful in quickly remembering, i speak portuguese fluently in the brazilian language, portuguese yes, if portuguese dubrazil, he is completely different and he’s not he’s not lisping, he’s the opposite, i think that he didn’t just beat me like he was in his previous life, i also had a girlfriend from

portugal many, many years ago, but now he’ll remember everything perfectly on his own. why russian wife? well, this also happened this way, because i came here to russia, with my girlfriend, an italian, she came here, she won’t really like it right away in moscow, i said, it will be very difficult, because it’s even there anyway. she was earlier than me, uh , she helped me with russian, because she i was learning a foreign language and i remember she wrote me down on paper, that when the boss stands at the counter and says check, i remember there are two or three of them that are funny, such midibili, medibili, they didn’t beat but billy midili, and that’s the whiter there,

she wrote me and i read it myself, and we... a daughter was born, yeah, and the birth was so complicated, i myself participated, she should be born in italy, well, from work i received that my daughter was born here, and after that everything started between us, to break it, and like when my daughter is almost 5 years old, well, we got divorced, she is now i got married, gave birth to a daughter, now my my my daughter is 18 years old and we communicate there, she meets often like well, before i flew to italy once a year well before covid, now after covid now the situation is of course you’re a little more complicated, son mine was learning the alphabet during covid, they communicated a little, and then this is also my mistake, because when they didn’t answer me

in italian, i... immediately tried russian, well, of course, please tell me , would you like your son became a cook, cook, god willing, no, i, well, i don’t know, i wanted that my strong. was happily taking his life the way that he got and which still gave him pleasure, i believe that lives are so short that the work that any person will do must be as loved as he is, understandably, this is unrealistic, in fact, even ours work is not always loved, because well, there are difficult moments, well, what a good person raised and well, now you are the future i will not be afraid of a great chef, that’s what you think our youth should

go to study to become cooks now, i don’t know , go on an internship, in general, grow in the culinary business, because you understand, there are still cool ones, why do i always say stardom, because after all, there are cool privileges now for the chef, when they recognize him, for example, on the street. and he also says in the media: oh, hello , i saw you there in such a program, or there, i know that you are better, there i don’t know, you make pizza better or something else, like you, it happens , it happens, sometimes people even write to me who have not yet decided on their profession, yes, 24, 25 years old walks in the kitchen, from another profession and sometimes after 2-3 hours they run away, because it’s, well, it’s difficult, it’s you who recommend that young people should become cooks, so tell me, well, no, i, i ’m young people, recommends that you choose one - then the path, and naturally, nothing happens without work, if i had perhaps, how many

internships yes, like now, when i was young, with pleasure, i also had my myths in france or in italy, well, just not it was possible to go there, i said, only to that restaurant, my only internship... then he turned me into calling me like a boss, so very, very successful, but how many children do you have? i have two children, i have a son, i have a daughter, and the fact that they became chefs, what do you think, my son, of course, initially, looking at me, wanted to become a chef, but since he is mired in biology, and he really likes it , i believe that he can become there, i don’t know, so unusual, but some kind of scientist, i don’t know, but

he wants to work there on... also to top it all off, my son practices fartopiana, goes to taekwondo , teaches check, my daughter goes to gymnastics. you will also see them sometimes, i very rarely see them, honestly, we miss them very much, you know what hobby we have, you want to tell me, we all sing together, yes , when we went to the lake for example, i lived nearby, yes we took a car, drove and sang here there are good ones, we have our own guitars , we have our own piano, that is, we and you sing well, i, well, i don’t know, but at least this i don’t know, i don’t know. i uh, what song? that's it, i sing brazilian songs in portuguese, because my favorite artist is kazuza, by the way, that too very like that - i think that this is just this star, he is very popular in brazil,

he has a very interesting story, the fact is that he sang well, he had his own gang, let’s say, a group, and his father was in charge one of the best recording studios in brazil, but he kicked him out of his house, and the fact is that after a certain time, there after 5 years, after the father kicked out his son, and the father came across a cassette on which a simply amazing singer performed, he immediately starts sponsoring , tapes are released, he does a concert and sees what it is his son is such a rock star , honestly, i think that everyone has the right to be a star in their own business, to shine and let everyone look at him and rejoice that this is happening, to embellish, so to speak, everyone with his light, and give everything joy, well, this is my opinion, so i think i will remain with my opinion that chefs, and any other profession can be just like

eternal rock stars and give people joy, emotions, and you, mirka, i hope will you be compared to a great opera singer, well, i don’t know, where am i? i don't consider myself a star or at least it’s not me saying uh well if uh i can give joy to people well then yes , then it’s good to be a star, great, and i’m sure you’re giving away, i know people who really admire your food your creations, well , let's sum up this evening, everyone can be a star, yes, also , a small anecdote, this one is very short , a girl writes to me so that bron, eat salad, imagine, i'm italian, i'm italian, i

'm cooking olive, she wrote to me like that this is the last time you ate such ulvey, her grandmother cooked it for her when she was still alive, she then returned to the restaurant, and olivia isn’t there, why because we always make a reservation, we cook it for the new year, then i take it away, i called her, she was still surprised, what... i called her, i explained to her why they removed it and i said, well, it’s strange, because i cook with olive from an apple, but the point now is not this, i just thought later, damn, if through olive, listen what potatoes, carrots there, a little bridges, simple things, you can give away so much, how many people have such emotions, once again, i don’t know if i’m a star or not, but i definitely took my life in the right way, yes 100%. so, this was a podcast of a chef on wheels, with you was chef morterosov artyom and

the most russian of italian chefs, mir kazaga, bye everyone, ciao, grace, bye, hello, this is an easy money podcast and i am its host, mikhail khanov, i have... today a very unusual guest for our podcast, this is clinical psychologist svetlana nazoeva, hello, svetlana, hello, i know that you are the personal psychologist of many top managers, largest companies, rich, successful people, and the first question that comes to mind is to ask you if it is true that the rich also cry, but the topic of the program is completely different, it is more interesting, deep, it is the psychology of poverty and wealth, what distinguishes poor people from

rich people, what distinguishes them... well, the most important question, just for what it’s called for starters, is it possible to simply distinguish a rich person from a poor person by the image and format of his thinking? yes, of course, yes, poor man, i myself come from a very poor family, and i also went to a certain financial state, through various difficulties, and what are these difficulties? this is the first limitation in everything, food, clothing, transport, travel, and if you look at a person who does not have such an opportunity, let’s say, a poor person, yes, he has no choice, in fact, the choice is very limited, these are the limiting stories , yes, a person is prevented from moving forward, that is, these are certain attitudes in the head, are they your own, or are these the attitudes of the existence around you, the surrounding existence, then where... we were born, as far as existence determines consciousness, that is, it turns out, well

, is it important or not? it’s important, yes, so i was born into a poor family, my grandmother was poor, my mother was poor, there’s not enough money for food, well, yes, yes, yes, i used laundry soap instead of shampoo, hair soap, yes, for example, instead of, let’s say, abundance, we ate eggs, because my mother was given her salary at work in eggs, you told yourself that i’ll never live like this again, i give myself the mindset that i want to live differently, so that's all it was when you started telling yourself this when i saw in my teens, when i saw that my friend, with whom i began to be friends, lived differently, i came to visit her, she ate, they had meat pies on the table, with onions, with eggs, with apples, well, this is very detailed, at what age did you set yourself the goal that i don’t want to live like this anymore, i don’t want to, probably from now on, 15 years, and what

had to be done for this, the first thing i decided for myself was that i needed to go to study, if i couldn’t go to college, i wouldn’t could have developed further, great, that is, you really , here i would like to talk a little about, here you are as a clinical psychologist and as a consultant, and some criteria could now be said, this is what you for yourself, talking with a person , let’s say they are dressed exactly the same, and they both have literate speech , they are quite educated, so you can determine which of these people is mentally predisposed to success, well, i don’t like this word, to wealth, yes , well, let's say , make money. she has money for to lead a decent lifestyle, let’s say, there, well, above average, and in the country in which he lives, and a person who, in principle , will live at the level at which he is now will never take a step up, i want here to tell a story, today i was driving here by taxi, and the taxi driver was a very amazing person, yes, who

worked in large companies and his income was more than 20 million rubles a month, and he takes me as a taxi driver, you understand, right? and i say, i start talking to him, or rather, he overheard me and my assistant discussed certain issues, entered into our dialogue, yes, and says that everything has collapsed and i can’t go further, during the dialogue i understand that he giggles a little, like a way of life, oh, a way of thinking, i now want lead, yes, to this, to the fact that he begins to devalue what i say when we begin to devalue. we stop hearing, that is, in fact, the person claims that the way i live suits me, for some reason, and beyond my control, i can’t do anything, which means that what lies behind it the threshold of my perception, and of my being, this is all wrong, and a lack of interest, that is, in fact, the criterion of poverty

is the fact that you accept this poverty as such, you begin to blame everyone around you, that you are poor precisely because the circumstances have developed this way, that something didn’t work out for you, and so on and so forth, and the main thing is that the way they live, yes, somewhere out there they are these bokachi, well, what are they, they cry too, they have their own problems , it’s bad for them there, but it’s so good for me, yes, it’s like a secondary benefit, it’s beneficial for me to be so, it’s beneficial for me, i don’t want to be bad, like these bad , rich people, who, in fact, it’s convenient for him to be poor, there is such a thing in your practice, the concept that people are comfortable being poor, 100%, yes, look how it ’s expressed , here we have all the cartoons, the fairy tale that a rich person is a bad person, a rich person is an evil person, but unconsciously i don’t realize, yes, i don’t want to be rich, because i don’t want to be bad, because a rich person is bad and evil, do you want to be bad? no, no, we all want to be good, we

we want to be loved, you understand, but there is nothing to love for a rich person, but for a poor person, he is poor, unfortunate, so good. and he feels sorry for himself, naturally, that is, it turns out to be such a vicious circle , i feel sorry for myself because nothing worked out for me, but this is good, because i am good, everyone around me is also good, they are bad and i don’t want to join the bad ones , how to break, break , risk being bad, you know, this is the formulation, a good thesis is a very, disgustingly rich man, he is disgusting, you understand why for whom, disgusting - this is an adjective, who who him for whom for... another poor person, well, again, this is our generally accepted formulation on social networks: poor rich just envy no, when you say that another person is disgustingly rich, this is latently your envy, then is, in fact, you express your attitude in such a person, that is, in fact, you need to fight envy, no, you don’t need to fight

envy, yes, envy has two, like a coin, yes, two sides, there is constructive envy, yes there is destructive, constructive. i also want so much, how can i make sure that i have this, yes, go to learn from this person, whom i envy, adopt some of his actions, yes, which he performs, how often is this approach found in people, that their constructive envy develops into a need into a desire that motivates a person to change himself, unfortunately, it is very difficult for a person to come to the point of taking feelings under control, and envy. this feeling, it's a strong feeling, it can take over you so that you go into effect, you cannot cope with this feeling. there is another story, yes, when we learn self-regulation of mental processes, when we can take control of our feelings, it’s to stop , slow down, understand what

’s happening to me now, i’m jealous, great, that is , envy, i’m glad to see you, just wait a while here, i’ll figure it out, be happy about this feeling, because the feeling is an indicator of where i should go, imagine this situation, yes, you came to the theater, you like a ballerina who dances, or a singer who sings, there is energy inside you, you like people who sit in the front row in the stalls, they buy, great, i like who these people are, who they are, how they bought this ticket, this is curiosity, yes, it prompts action to the question, but task, i have the negative part of this medal, well, they are bad people, they are evil , they stole, they plundered the budget or something else like that, i say, well, thank god, but i’m not rich, i’m poor, and i ok, i will sit in row 115, no, the task is how to do this here? this step, i'm still trying to understand,

this is what should be an incentive, is a person able to cope with this on his own, give an example, an example, find an example, definitely, yes, what , how to move from this state, naturally, we have many people, yes, great people, yes, who have done a great contribution to development in evolution, yes, we came out of the state of a poor person, well, all the examples that i will give, i understand correctly that the example should be a close one, from the next door, preferably from the next apartment, well, something like the example of mikhail vasilyevich lomanosov is not very motivating, yes, not everyone comes from arkhanelsk on foot with a fish train, they are founding universities, that is, although i’m leading roughly, there are some criteria, maybe more than one, how do the ways of thinking of rich people differ from the way of thinking of poor people? a person who reached certain heights, if you ask how he lived, he lived in a state of oppression, you know? it has always been some kind of flawed state, at this moment you want, as if to win

the trust of other people through education or through something else, you know, well, those who live in poverty now, they also have that the same limitation in terms of resources, in terms of opportunities, they don’t go on vacation there, they never have such an opportunity, they don’t have enough money even until the next salary, and yet some take steps out of this state, others don’t, they are also in these cramped conditions provisions, yes according to. it must be, what should you, i’ll introduce this to what, that there is some kind of skill that maybe can be trained, or is it innate, you can train, yes, but it’s always a question, you know, like such observation, when i’m interested everything that's around when i'm not sitting, i don’t lie on the couch at home, i don’t watch tv, and when i’m interested, well, i’m lying on the couch , too, interested, yes, that’s a fact, but watching tv, yes, if you travel, if you go to a museum, listen to music, what’s the point? why, i’ll start with myself, yes, i didn’t have the opportunity to go to a psychologist, but it was very important for me, and i found a free

hotline, yes, where i could consult in the field of psychology, it’s a matter of searching, what question are you asked when they called the hotline, can i talk, i feel very bad, and how old were you, and i was 20, 24 years old, well, you have already taken some steps from that state. the small town where i was born, you see, it is very important who the enlightened people are, yes, that’s where it came from , this name, this word, yes, this is when people from small villages went to another village, returned and they were enlightened, they went somewhere , learned something, came with new information, svetlana, and then we move on to specifics, your example is very indicative, but here, of course, everyone is interested in examples - topman in rich people, whom everyone hears, whom you advise, let’s start with a simple one, here’s the opposite question, yes, if such people

have a fear of poverty, a fear of going back, and what to do about it, always, i always face this, a person who it comes to me, yes, especially at, and i would say, a startup, yeah, yes, when it already more or less has some money, and continues to develop, yes, and he comes and says, i’m afraid to go... back , i'm afraid of sliding down there, what's going on, fear is a feeling, why is this happening, well because a person had the experience of being poor, suddenly he has money, he is afraid of losing, yes, what do i advise, i always work in the field of self-regulation, i have already said that we test this world with the help of feelings and emotions, yes, i recommend analyzing this feeling, this fear, what it is, a fantasy, a fantasy about that, about past experience, which i rely on, because there’s something new... no, i’m fantasizing, yes, i’m starting to race thoughts in my head, obsession, yes, i’m starting to think, what if

this money is going to go somewhere now, when i earned my first million , this fear, great, self-regulation of mental processes, when i control my feelings, when i realize my feeling, i start with dialogue, dialogue is natural self-regulation, where did it come from, that is , what? you recommend people to dig, because you know, as i always say, when you are in a bad or good mood, you can say, well, everything has piled up there or , on the contrary, everything is fine, but always, when you go to bed, let’s say sleep, well, when you alone, yes, no one distracts you, and you sort it out situation, you can always tell what kind of event made it so that you are in a good or bad mood today , well, when everything, everything, everything is bad, you think, okay, this is it, this is what i endured, but there is always some kind of... that is the point that hurt you the most and it was... it became the decisive factor that dumped you into this depression. i understand correctly that you need to look for such a point and then continue to work with your fears in this

direction. yes, absolutely true, but again, here... i return to this term complex, yes, this is self-regulation, what is this, i am aware of my feeling, well , for example, my loved one told me something that offended me, it’s normal to have such feelings, yes, we don’t deny them, we admit, so i’m offended, what? to the fact that my sister, for example, appreciated me, she devalued me, i would say so, and of course i am offended, and i begin to think not about that, not about myself, but why... this person did this, what happened to him ? it's a matter of understanding, to understand , to understand why he did it, and it will become easier, but when i saw that, for example, a person, yes, well, she limits herself, she envies me, and she can’t cope with it, this envy comes out with this poison, let’s say, yes, and i wanted to feel sorry for her, and my resentment went away, it’s very

important to clarify this point, and call and say , you know, i’m very... yes, well, here i was in a lot of pain, how can i help you, that is, it turns out, in order to become happy, so that you are not offended, well, at least your your inner circle, you must also, as they say, raise everyone around you, make them happy, partly sharing your part and sharing yours, just understand, understand why , what prompted him to do it or say it, it ’s not aimed at me, well, for example, yes, if mom is screaming, why is she screaming? mom deprived herself of attention, directed all her attention to raising her children, but she’s not there, and it’s difficult for her, if she took time for herself, she wouldn’t scream, you know, the whole world is sorry svetlana, doesn’t understand her, that is, returning to this term , to this phrase, remember the quote from the famous film we will live to see monday that the boy wrote a poem happiness is when

you are understood, it is very beautiful, this is correct, this is a very beautiful phrase, i think that everyone... should write it down, your own happiness is when you understand yourself the happiness of those people who around you, when you understand them, and in fact, you shouldn’t be afraid to tell them this, returning to the psychology of poverty, the question is how much has the generation changed, the generation to which, well, with happiness, you and i belong, and the generation of soviet children, when we lived, that putting aside this service for a rainy day, it was for certain holidays, rather than being rich, there’s nothing to start with, right? honestly, you can’t earn money at all, but young people, the so-called z generation of zero, and they are different mentally, different, they develop faster due to information , you know, a lot of information, they have a fear of remaining poor, you know, i think that they don’t even think about it, we thought about it, they just take it and do it, that

’s what you said at the very beginning, they just do, they have approximately, we had a limitation, information, everyone lived approximately the same, you know, that’s all, i went to school, everyone was the same, and before their eyes are examples of dozens and hundreds of successful peers, they understand that in in principle, they, not gods, burn pots, yes, as we say, and that they can do the same thing, but for this you need to do something, then you already blame yourself, well, i’m like that, because i don’t do it, i no way this blogger gets up every morning, doesn’t take a selfie there, doesn’t walk, doesn’t tell different stories, naturally, before their eyes, before their eyes there are a lot of these examples. on which we rely and what arises inside a person, this feeling of envy that drives us, that i want it too. this is an easy money podcast and i am its host, mikhail khanov, today my guest is clinical psychologist svetlana nazoeva. you can see all episodes of the easy money podcast on the channel one website. one more question, this is an interesting one, it is very close to me, so i would like to ask it, there is

such an effect of danin crewing, when highly educated, experienced people devalue themselves, they devalue their knowledge, opinions, it seems to them, well, what’s the big deal, well, everyone knows that, yes, and when i express my opinion, i always consider the people around me that they are on the same level , well, i’m partly ashamed to receive them there, yes, on the other hand i think , well, what’s wrong with the information i’m talking about, and then you are faced with the fact that on the other hand people say, wow , you you know so much, and so on, and you say such things, how do you know this, on the other hand sides. people who are at a lower stage of development, yes, than you, they, well , they are like that, they declare without appeal that you know, like a fool has his own truth, so they say it, categorically, you think, well if a person is so sure, it’s probably true, yes, this is the so-called dunning kruenig effect , which many successful people suffer from, among your patients there are such, you know, in simple terms, this is the impostor effect, well, citing a specific

example, yes, here i am to myself, yes, what’s wrong with that i host this program, i host this podcast, but it’s nothing complicated, very smart people, professionals come to me, i just check with them, i try to figure out the situation for myself, i keep thinking, wow, how smart he must be, here he is sitting on tv, yes there, yes, here’s how to deal with this, how to raise your own self-esteem, we, we don’t recognize our victories, why, i’ll explain, one patient came to me, who, you call them that patient, patient, well, how would be, well , let there be a patient, so the patient came, yes, okay, the patient came, and he came to i, with such a request, have impostor syndrome, i say what it is, i don’t appreciate what i have grown to, why? where does this come from, yes, because our parents never celebrated our victories, i received an “a” on the head, everything is fine, you know, as if we didn’t focus on this, how

to get out of this, yes, start celebrating for ourselves, that is, we we note for ourselves that we celebrate our victories, that there is a way out of this situation, that is , we should not be shy about celebrating all our victories, although we should appropriate them for ourselves, appropriate them to ourselves my victories, maybe i should start talking more often? i will do this, i did this, i did this, that is, when we taught us all, to say we , that is, this is us, this is the merits of the team, that is , it turns out that more often you need to say i, this is what i do, i can do this then, for yourself, maybe you can use , you know, a life hack from the most famous manual from the bible, yes, where i generally think that the bible is the most beautiful manual on how to live on this planet, and there is absolutely a wonderful phrase there : love your neighbor as yourself, as myself, i interpret it as follows: what if...' you don’t know how to love yourself, how do you know how to love others and what love for others is in general, that is, it turns out that first you really need to start

treating with respect and love to yourself, not to devalue your merits, your achievements, then learn to broadcast this with a greater, let’s say, degree of empathy and participation, the more you will better understand those around you, naturally, excellent, recorded, yes, because too there was a request, a patient came with this request that i don’t feel love from anyone, uh-huh, no one loves me, i don’t know why , but what is she talking about, yes, that i don’t love myself, i don’t have this love, and when i don’t have this love, what i can give, i’m wearing a shirt, it’s the only one, if i give it away, i won’t have this shirt, specifically, here’s svetlana, they came to you, there were cases when a patient comes to you, well... well , let’s put it this way, i paid almost my last money for your consultation, i got an appointment with you and he comes with a simple and clear request: svetlana, i am a poor man, and this is the money i paid, this is my last money, how can i become rich, this is what you

told such people, were there such patients? from time to time it happens that they write to me, today i even received a message saying that i can come to you to break through the financial ceiling, well enough, i say, yes, a consultation costs so much, and the girl tells me: this is very much for me expensive, but i will find this money, we can solve this issue in one request, yes, in one consultation, in an hour and a half, i say, i can write step-by-step instructions, if you do it, yes, it’s only a matter of time , we can help our audience reveal the secrets, now we’ll give you a few steps for free, the first three steps, according to the step-by-step instructions, the first is to understand how i will make money money, what can i do, what kind? i have skills, a patient came to me and said: i’m a musician, i sing well, but i want to have more money, what should i do, i want my own business, i say, let’s open

a vocal studio, but we need to rent a room, yes, i say what do you have? there are available funds, or where you can find investors who can invest in you, yes, you have skills, the other person has money, don’t connect. or he opened one vocal studio, here you go, the process has begun, then the development of events, i have money coming for the needs, what the needs are, step two, yes, step two, the task is to increase your needs, because there is such a phrase, yes, if i'm not thirsty, i won't look for a source, well, it's simple, you just say what you like, you can’t immediately buy there, i don’t know, a mercedes, but you don’t have to start right away, little by little. right now, where can i increase my standard, choose your next goal, and then you start, not exactly where, yes, but in all segments of life, yes, little by little, first i start with food, i

understand what i like, i i’m improving the quality of my table, yes, if i ate bread for 50 rubles, i start buying it, for example, for 100 rubles, yes, it’s more tasty, i start, by price, or it’s really tastier, i just i don't know, well i... i have i mean, it’s not a question of price, but a question of taste , then, for example, i want soft towels, yes, i buy one, the other, to the best of my ability, little by little i increase my own. little by little, this is step number two for us, yes it turns out, the next story is, yes, so that there is more money, yes, money comes through new things, this is to increase the question of my competence, yes, my knowledge, i am looking at what i should do next to to develop this music studio, i take partners, a team, i go and study further, yes, i do this, due to this it’s clear, yeah, they exist hundreds of examples of those same ones, yes, they are probably subject to... well, deep, well, one might say

, clinical study, when people from very poor families became, as you said, deafeningly rich people, there is some common quality that unites everyone, you probably carried out this analysis, i analyze the stories of my patients, success stories, and which you constantly bring, that is, there are some, well, not one quality, but several, that’s the quality, consume more information, find out, look for yourself examples try. find when a person is there looking for examples, looking for ways to achieve the same goals that his examples achieved, people from his examples, yet, do not give up, perseverance, this is the most important quality, yes, which defines all successful people, he does not gives up, the same example with the frog, yes, which whipped milk into butter and got out, yes, he doesn’t give up , he goes, sees the goal, sees no obstacles, you understand, how to become like this, this is thinking, this is the image of us, this can be brought up or this

is possible. go ahead, yes, for example, i'm afraid to become poor, i ask a question, what are you losing, do you have something to lose, he says, well, in general, no, i say, then, if you are now afraid of becoming poor, then you have something to lose, no, i have nothing to lose, then go forward, yes, these are the supports on which i can lean, yes, which i create for... yes. so, you and i agreed that there are the first steps that will lead you to solving the problem of this transition from a state of poverty to a state of wealth. the first is awareness of what is happening and the search for information best practices, yes, best practice, examples that were before your eyes or in history or are now near you, we study them , carefully consider them, understand how this happened and what i need to do, yes, to

go through the same thing. second, we never give up, that is, we are not afraid of temporary difficulties, we consider all difficulties temporary, i see a goal, i don’t see an obstacle, like you, stinginess is a growth area, i grow, and as i solve it, and the third point, all ours we record successes, first of all, for ourselves, we record them also for others and do not allow anyone to belittle our successes in order to remain in a state of comfort with ourselves, understanding that what i do brings happiness not only to me. yes, well, try to make it bring happiness to others. this is an easy money podcast and i am its host, mikhail khanov. today my guest is clinical psychologist svetlana nazoeva. there is such a term, recently it was banned in our country, but let’s call it marathons , i don’t know, there is happiness, desires, whatever else, successful success, yes, selling successful success, all these trainers, coaches, ignoramuses, as i call them, yes, as they say, there, get out of your comfort zone, i say

, let me at least enter this comfort zone in order to understand where i can get out of, tell me, is there at least one sound grain there, or after all, this is more window dressing, this is more marketing, this is more of the same information , infocharlatanism, information fraud, when you have sauce, with very clear nlp neurolinguistic programming, technologies, for the purpose of seizing, taking money from the population, they sell you some the information you come out with, say, and what it was in mass with or not, or am i wrong? now, if i step on your foot with my heel, very hard, and i stand, i stand on your foot, the pain will be hellish, i will say, let’s pump up the financial ceiling, how will that work? no way, because the focus of attention will go to the fact that it hurts you, and you will tell me, get off your feet, it hurts me, this is not up to the financial ceiling, and when a person

has. kind of problem, yes, it’s difficult for him to think about financial ceilings and so on, he’s thinking about how to solve this problem for me, and if he found some kind of speaker, yes, who talks about the ceiling and so on and so on, and at least a small part of him was hooked and helped, god forbid, you know, that’s the story, there are no speakers here that can talk some- those things, your patients who... achieved success, went through all these marathons of desires, schools of growth there, but i don’t know about this information, there’s information business, many, and what they say, well, they came to me in the end to treat your problems. that is, you talk, walk, walk, then you will come to me more often and naturally, this is such history, what is this, what are these marathons, it’s like motivation , to motivate, you know, to motivate for something, but one person has a leadership, such a charismatic

component, the other doesn’t, he doesn’t need it, he needs something else, you you see, everything is individual, marathons are generally accepted information, yes, as a belief. something, some example, how it can be , a push, a push, partly, but everything is very individual , there is theory, and there is practice, we go to cut out the appendix to a practitioner, and not to a theorist at the institute, so that he cuts it for us belly, svetlana, our whole concept of increasing the level in various spheres of existence, doesn’t it lead to poverty of consciousness, that is, we become richer in material... we actually become consumers, we push ourselves to a higher level of consumption, and poverty spiritual, isn’t it behind all this? this, this is a very accurately noted fact, what is psychology , this is the science of the soul, we live in a society, yes,

contact, emotional intelligence is important to us, what is this achievement, consumerism aimed at, and what? to buy a new... thing, yes, earn more money, but what about you, what about you, that is , we simply include spiritual development in one of the zones of growth points, that is, we definitely include an increase in the level of consumption in our spiritual development too , necessarily, that is, we start going to theaters, museums, studying the history of cities, culture, architecture, this is an obligatory point of the program , this is mandatory, this is observation , this understanding, yes, that there is something else, observation is a good term, yes, tell me , svetlana, you have such advice, here what we said, our life hacks, and you tell people, write it all down, you recommend that they write it all down so that they can read it sometimes, necessarily, because we come back, what is it, a person

has a neural connection, what is it , experiments, experience, yes, on which i rely, and i periodically look, but how should i do it, and how should i think, right? but the most important thing that i recommend to everyone is to pause between feeling and action, think, check this box, yes, think, this is what i really need, this is what i want to do, or i don’t want to do this, maybe i can write down my emotion, this will be the very necessary pause, at the same time realize it, as you say, write it down, you know how to come, write it down, yes, you can do that, but in the moment , when... some actions , and when you stop, think about what to say, who are rich people, these are truly rich people,

these are happy people, this is the state inside each person, the state of how you feel, if i think, i’m chasing who offended me, who upset me, i’m all about these. v fears, i serve these fears and thoughts, all my energy goes there, the point is to realize the emotion, stop and not take action , we put it in first place, at zero, before information, yes, yes, 100%, realize what is happening to me now , what i want is to stop, this slowdown allows me to feel, feelings arise in the body, yes, that sucks in the pit of the stomach, for example, yes, this... a feeling is a state in the body, a sensation, and a feeling of what kind of hunger, and a need eat, so slowing down is stopping, that stopping inside yourself to feel this feeling, how do i feel now, and how do i feel next to this person, and am i comfortable with

him, or am i stepping on my own throat, or am i betraying myself, that’s all, and when i betray myself, i begin swallow all this, swallow, swallow, and the glass...' it overflows, everything results in an effect, great, then let's sum it up briefly, that is, the most important advice is not to act in a state of effect, that is, try to analyze and sort out all your emotions on the shelves, determine where they come from, and most importantly, what they can lead to, yes, but through understanding the other, why this happened, because everything happens in interaction, this is point number zero, then the steps of transition from poverty to wealth, the first step is informational. we perceive it as a point of growth and continue to move forward and never give up and point

number three, we record all our successes, do not allow ourselves to belittle them and do not allow others to belittle them. naturally, rely on your opinion, knowledge, vision about yourself, but don’t settle for less. and the last key point, yes, to cultivate a specialist in yourself, the task is to be the best in your field, then you will be in demand then you will have... money, on this wonderful note i propose to end our program, because the topic is truly immense, like psychology , like the human brain , thank you very much svetlana, for today you revealed to us and gave us the first three steps and a zero and some final point, how to come to wealth, how to go from that state, well, there is the poverty of dissatisfaction in which you are now on the path to success and prosperity, thank you very much, thank

you for inviting me. podcast of the creative industry on channel one, your favorite hosts are still with you, roman karmanov, elena kiper, visiting us today, my legs haven’t been sore all day, saying, from the fear of coming into contact with a super legend. people's artist of the russian federation, artistic director of the moscow oleg tobakov theater, vladimir moshkov. vladikov. hello hello, very nice, in april, in my opinion, on the 23rd-24th it will be 5 years since you have been running the theater, will there be separate celebrations on this occasion, you gave me this idea. let's think, think, think, the theater lives here now, so such decisions

can be made there very spontaneously , the fact is that i was lucky, over the course of these 5 years i have developed a team that helps not me, but the theater to exist properly level, carefully, concentratedly, consciously, that is, these 5 years are... more, than, this is unconditional happiness, this is the happiness of knowledge, educating oneself, educating oneself through one’s own personal example, and in general we have a lot of activity, we have done a lot, our team has done a lot, because we don’t just have a theater, oleg pavlovich tabakov, who created our small theater

basement, he created it with - a theater studio at the palace of pioneers, selecting 40 guys there, then 10 remained and so on, entered gitez, then life began , then a basement appeared, then 30 years later appeared at the end of oleg palovich’s life, a new building, and we are in development and but the basis, the fact is that oleg palovich opened - 10 years ago a theater school, which existed as a college, his dream was for the children to study there early, this is generally the dream of teachers, you know , it seems to me that the artistic, uh, period of life, professional, should begin around the age of 15 , necessarily, because this is the most emotional time, which is what we actually achieved, now we don’t have a college, because after our college the guys have to go back to school. to the theater institute and who are they

they come out as ready-made actors, they come out as ready-made actors , they can go out on stage, they have to be on stage before leaving drama school, you know, an artist grows on stage with his partners, this is a collective activity, so this is the moment of going out and working with the profession. you know, and we achieved it, but to spend 8 years on training for a person, well, firstly, it’s for the state, it seems to me, it’s also for the artist, so we proposed a new experimental program, prepared it, it’s called like this, it's integrated secondary program. higher education, we recruit children all over the country, ourselves, all

teachers, actors, theater actors, we just board the plane ourselves and fly groups to the cities. from kaliningrad to vladivostok, well, this is some kind of incredible selection , i can’t imagine how many, well , every year, every 2 years we look at about 3,000 young guys, we have a lot of information about the guys who are interested in this activity, they do it naturally there are 24 of us, not many, and thanks to moscow, this educational institution is free for full... provision of moscow, they come to us after the ninth grade and after 5 years of study they receive a diploma of higher education, this is the earliest acting education, which year it already exists, the fourth year, in this format, we must confirm the experiment through

year, the fact is that you know, every year 600 artists are produced in the country, many, even... in our theater, they come and show when we have such an opportunity to take someone, the level is different, there are talented ones, there are less talented, there are those who got in by accident, because a lot of paid courses have appeared, it is impossible to teach an artist for a fee, and as a rule, artists are people from low-income families. because psychophysics is organized differently, you mean with great passion, but you said a very precise word - passion, without which it is impossible to comprehend this profession, so you say 600, actors come out, artists, why artists, look, actors , and

please tell me, i myself became interested in this, once upon a time, but what makes an actor different? from the artist, now we have to make a face, yeah have no idea, well, there are probably many different versions , it seems to me that fonvizin gave an exceptionally accurate one, he said, an actor is a talented performer, and an artist is an artist, a creator, exactly, that’s who our higher education produces, then... different, it is always in this activity it is very difficult to say what we are doing there and we, we are churning out talents, this is impossible, talent is a timid thing, it is like a fire, if you feed it, your passion, a passionate attitude towards your activity, it

will flare up, it doesn’t happen, that’s for mine activities, watching guys, listening, awareness of a person’s talent, on the contrary, you are trying to break it all for him to see his sincerity, just talk about how attentive he is, how well his orientation reflex works, how mobile he is, how audible he is, from all of this an impression is created , and then this moment is very important, the teacher, in this sense the teacher, only opens the door, enters himself and he must enter rapidly, rapidly comprehending, especially since our school, it is evolutionary, we demand, we have method, from stanislavsky, i once found a favorite quote for myself, i won’t even quote it, but the word is the concept of rays of emissions, for which he was criticized, because it is

some kind of metaphysical form, so i want to say, yours is better than emissions today , thank you very much, yes, but they really scolded him, scolded him, so when he came, he asked everything, did you emit better or not, or not, now somehow you somehow attracted him or not, look, if, thank you thank you very much, dear friends, podcast creative industry on the first channel is completed, with you were elena kiper, roman karmanov, our guest, people's artist of the russian federation, artistic director of the moscow oleg tobakov theater vladimir levvoevich moshkov thank you,

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