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monthly for any purchases, he’s the only one. and for those who have just joined us, let me remind you that this is a podcast, a free program with maxim trenkov, and i don’t need to introduce the person who is my guest today. and how important is it to become an olympic champion in figure skating? well, it’s still rarer than a world champion, right? then the olympic champion is a higher rank, then the olympic champion is known by everyone, everyone remembers, the world champion is no longer remembered by everyone. the maximum you need strive for figure skating, that’s right, these are, of course, olympic champions, they spoke out a lot about this , so i’m wondering what the coach, multiple olympic champions and olympic medalists, thinks about the team tournament, the same olympic champions, because in the individual tournament they can take fifteenth place, these athletes, they even know themselves that they are not like that, they are olympic champions, they are called olympic champions, well, they call them

if they have a medal. there is a podium, there are all the honors, i am generally for these competitions because that it seems to me that this is a very interesting competition, it’s just that when i was part of the team in sochi, and for me this is a completely different competition, also very significant, interesting, responsible, but for some reason this personal medal, it’s not all that important to me anymore , well, of course, of course, it’s like fun, such wonderful fun. when we all fight together against another team, it’s great, because still winning as a team, it seems to me that it’s very interesting, well, it seems to me, it’s just that the plant is scary, somehow we will lose, this is very important, for people i think it is very important , for the audience, we are athletes and coaches, and for the athletes, oh , some kind of community, the team won, our figure skating, russia won our figure skating ahead of everyone, without touching

the winner . it wasn’t egudin who won, but russia won, yes, russia won, yes , it also seems to me that this is very important, and it seems to me that people really adore it too, but the olympic champions, anyway, in a private message about these are the olympic champions, above there is nothing of this, above this there is only training, on which sometimes very good athletes are better than olympic champions, but they are the kings of training, the kings of training , ugh be like that, to each his own, what should those people do who, for example, like sasha cohen, we also have an example, i just don’t want speak, so as not to remind, not to light some kind of fire, that is, when people were about to stand with one foot on the pedestal , they ended up second, fourth, and so on , what next, where is the second chance, you

laid down your life, well so what? if you have the opportunity, you continue to put it further, and you work and sacrifice your life in order to win, in order to learn, so that you cannot. to live without it, in short, you just love what you do, you love, you adore, otherwise it’s not life, and you continue to do it further, but if you, for example, get old or something, you finish, and you remain not first, second, what to do, look for this gold medal in the students, who in the students, who is already so full that they don’t want it? because by the end of this journey, every athlete understands that the coaching role is very difficult, at first

not everyone understands it very well, but by the end they see that they understand that it’s hard and not for every already tortured athlete, tortured athlete. i want to go and force someone else to teach and because of this i can’t sleep myself and because of this i want to give my life, because you just gave your life for yourself, and now you have to give your life to another person, yes, it’s impossible, it’s impossible, so it’s very rarely outstanding athletes. stay and become coaches, and even less often achieve any success later, tatyana

anatorna, you counted how many olympic medals you have, honestly, it didn’t even occur to me to count, my dad said that for second places they are fired, you know, any medal, well, probably gold in this context, which the most expensive for you? unexpected, no, there are no unexpected medals, no, they don’t happen , you have to work hard for them, and you have to work, forgetting about yourself, forgetting about everything, just work, then it will be unexpected. maybe it won’t, but it’s better that there is, of course, i just have some mixed feelings, for example, even in my work, but at the beijing olympics, at first i was afraid to even dream that it would work out and we would be in

the top three, and then we lost 60 hundredths to the chinese, without a judge, that is, we are evgeniy taras, vladimir morozov is our the coaching staff and i are in the lineup and i already felt offended. that is, at some point i already understood, and if it were our judge, and if it weren’t for these 60 hundredths, and if it weren’t in china, and we were olympic champions, and if there were dokaba, that is, you just have to ignore it attention and do your job, do your job, teach, do, to learn, sometimes to force, and sometimes to force for an hour, but almost always, well, no, it’s a process. i’m just talking about athletes, sometimes you have to force yourself, but of course, and to overcome yourself, but of course, but i would like to sleep, and by 7:00 in the morning in my old age i have to get up, go to training,

invigorated with a smile , tat antolyevna, when you coached, and even when you brilliantly comment on figure skating, you really empathize with the athlete, this is happiness, you are this happiness, you? because for it’s such stress for me, well, of course, it’s probably stress, of course, it’s impossible to behave differently, you can’t force yourself to breathe, to stand up straight. and endure, i must be free, i must help them, it seems to me that i am helping, and i am helping, that is , do you believe that the coach of the side, yes, not every day no, skates a program with an athlete, i skate it myself, i always skated with my athletes, but you believe that you skate with them, i don’t believe that i help them. i don't believe

that i'm helping them, because i wouldn't do it myself you can’t skate, i can’t, yes, you have to behave organically, the only time i didn’t skate a program with my athletes at the olympic games was the free program , i didn’t skate, i just stood there and admired it, i ’ve never, i’ve never seen such, such joy i didn’t feel like i was watching, no, i was very worried about the athletes skating at the olympic games, because anything could happen, yes, but how, well, i missed it a little, i looked at it from the athlete’s point of view, because when i was an athlete there was no need for a coach at the competitions, tanya and i never came up, we were announced, we stood up, held hands and went, because well, i thought that they had already told me everything, showed me everything, and that day, in this day, i just have to go out and show what i was taught, no one will tell me any magic words, except for those moments when maybe you can’t tune in and you need to talk to someone, someone there, so that someone - he splashed water in the face, as

anatolyevna once did, of platov’s wife, the wife’s pay, yes, he got it, it was a shock for everyone, but he had to dance, just before the exit, look, it might not have worked, it might have been the other way around, that is, it’s still a risk, well, a risk, a noble cause, but was there a moment when you were so scared, you were so excited, you’re a coach , you need to guide an athlete, you’re so, so excited that you somehow need to find it inside, but you find it, well, where are you going to be? , there is an athlete, well, valerian - that’s understandable, volocardin, ballerian - everything else that the coach has

tarasova, namely. you smell, but no, well, you can’t be, take some pill that will make you meow , you can’t say, you can’t, we’re back and continuing our fascinating conversation, i ’m now working with my pairs in a large team, naturally with singles i cross paths a lot, with single skaters mostly, with young skaters quite the same... and there is such a thing as parents in figure skating, but you have always been for your students not only a coach, but also a part-time mother, mother, grandmother together, everything, i do everything, what is needed in order for the process to proceed, all that is needed, i need to stroke my feet, i will stroke it,

i need an hour, i’ll do it for an hour, i need an hour and a half, i need it, i need it. learn how to massage properly, i will learn, i will massage when the massage therapist is not there every day, well, it seems to me that now the approach is a little different, because the massage therapist had to be earned, naturally, so that i could join your group, i deserved to be a massage therapist, but that was later, but i needed it before that, i massaged all my people, but where to go? there is no money to go, ask someone, then someone, someone, this is not good, you know what needs to be massaged, you know what needs to be put in order, and that you are a fool not to learn how to do your own thing for your own people, massage my brains, for example, well, probably , if you set yourself this goal, then you can try, i’m glad for you that you have such a program, thank you, but by the way, i watch it all the time, by the way, tatyana

anatelna, this is a big thank you, again to you, because it was you who brought me, yes, to television, yes, to channel one, it was you they told me that try to commentate , they taught me, yes, and i’m very happy about it, and they scolded me, yes, and your coaching genius appears, appears, manifests itself not only on the ice. what difference does it make where? but it seems to me that you just see, maybe people in a special way, well, i see, i see what a person can do, what he needs. well, when you finish skating, you need to do something, how to keep you occupied? i just care about this, i know this for myself, many people don’t like this about me, the fact that i seem to be meddling into someone else’s, yes, but i can’t, if i see, i definitely have to say or

do something, in the current conditions, for our figure skating last season we not only experienced, but it seems to me that we even showed how we are more alive than anyone else alive, we came up with new tournaments , held them, tell us your emotions about each one , for example, let’s start with the russian challenge, a tournament of show programs, it was interesting, it was very interesting, a new tournament, great, a tournament of show programs, skate between professionals who have long since left sports, who are still on the national team, world, european, olympic and other champions,

the athletes are simply talented. with her phrase, which every figure skating fan knows, and today we were once again convinced of this, lyosha, anything is possible, well, what can i do, this means that our figure skating has not moved anywhere for these 20 years, or you how simply we are ahead of this, we are good, well, in your opinion

, everything is deserved, it wasn’t me who assessed it, thank you, god, who assessed it, folk art, you, well, not me, well, they are also sitting in front of the tv ordinary spectators, not coaches, honored ones, do you think it’s unfair that lyoshka is the first, yes, i was sure, in six months, as soon as the tournaments started discussing who would win it, because well, that’s understandable, to me, in principle, i have questions about competitions, duets and singles in one competition and for me this, i didn’t really understand it, i just don’t know how to compete with yagudin, i know how to compete with tot , but i don’t know how to compete with yagudin or how to compete with sherbakova, me no one taught this in my life, i have no talent compete with girls or with singles, boys, there is no need to compete with girls, you need to have a number that would always lift up the whole hall, at which they would always shout

bravo, or a number at which no one shouts at all, bravo, and no one applauds , but just everything is quiet. they sit crying, you know, but i don’t want, for example, to perform numbers where people sit crying, i don’t like it, that’s not my style, but you, and you didn’t try it, because you didn’t have such a number, yes i had such numbers, but no one i cried, i watched everything, no, well, i didn’t, i shouldn’t watch, i should empathize with you and be with you, maybe you have an idea for some new tournament, you know, i didn’t think about it, i want to say, i was happy that i was working at the first, i was happy that i was so busy, that i was doing the kind of thing that they say i was doing well, and i tried to talk to one person, to the second, to the third , who comments, yes, i tried to gain

some skill for myself, understanding the profession this, well, i’m not working right now, which means i’ll probably be doing something else, now i’ll figure out what to do, or maybe i shouldn’t do anything, because i ’ll be 77 years old this year, tatya anatorevna, what this is 77, we have people like moskvina , mishin, there are, well done, that’s where we all need to strive, well done, no, i can’t live without blue hands, i go all the time. i see i’m helping there with something from the children, i absolutely absolutely can’t sit at home at all. that is

, i don’t even understand what i should do, where i should go, so i i’m going, i’m going to where i belong, i know this place, this is a skating rink, you can’t imagine your life without a skating rink, but at the same time you had great pleasure working there on the first channel, yes, but the thing is that you me here in this program we very often find something. what gives a new impetus, what do you say, and i can tell you that there are ideas that would make everyone happy, everyone would get great pleasure, what do you say, i’m glad, let’s get away from figure skating a little, let’s talk, we’re already two episodes into it talked about figure skating, you have two wonderful grandchildren, yes. one is 15, the other is 14, well, they have a mom and dad, i do this, i do this in order to pamper them, to give them something, and you are

a strict grandmother, give, no, how should a grandmother be, don’t be strict, a grandmother should love that grandma should be strict, mom and dad should be strict or as they like, and why should grandma be strict, we have a very warm, beautiful golden autumn this year, oh, what an autumn we’ve never had before also, i’m even off to the beach, got dressed today, is it a dacha or a city apartment in this weather? dacha, dacha, like dad, i’m no longer used to living in a city apartment, in a dacha, i live in a dacha, but like tarasova, i’m also used to living in a dacha, in a dacha, where is your dacha? in the same place where your student’s house was, we were with neighbors, but i wasn’t in their houses, well, me and alexey are neighbors. did he never invite you to his place? no, how does this happen? well, it happens like this, you always invited everyone to your dacha? i always invite everyone to my

dacha, but honestly, i didn’t have you i invite you to my dacha, now i’m finishing the renovation right away with pleasure, and you come to me, everyone comes to me for tea, well, yes, you know, with pleasure to drink tea, and with butorrod, you talk about it like that i really wanted to finish our interview right now, let’s go and drink tea, and just drink tea, it’s so delicious, it would be with varenitsa, with your own, that’s it, tatyana anatolyevna, with your varenitsy, honestly, brewed, you know, i’m now, what i saw in front of me, what a picture, you have your own studio, you are sitting in a comfortable chair, drinking tea with jam, right? some guest and you, for example, and you are discussing, for example, a tournament, which, look, look

, let’s say, is short, the first warm-up was held there with the girls, the inclusion of the studio tatyana anatolyevna is discussing with someone in a relaxed home atmosphere, here this kind, cozy, beloved tatyana anatolyevna tells the whole truth to the mother, as usual, that she saw, well, you already offered me a job, thank you... it was very interesting, thank you for calling me, good the program, it turns out, when you put on the program, that’s when you can say this word , it turns out, then it turns out, that’s what you get, thank you very much, watch all episodes of the free program podcast on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru.

hello friends, this is the podcast life of the wonderful with you, me, its host, writer alexey varlamov, my guest is vladimir romanovich legoyda, whom i’m even afraid to introduce, he has so many positions and responsibilities, and the journalist, professor mgemo, editor-in-chief foma magazine, chairman of the senodal department for interaction between church and society, head of the press service. you are the most holy patriarch, a public figure, a religious figure , vladimir ivanovich, how did you get to this life, that’s what interests me, i want to say that you have no less responsibilities than positions, dear alexey nikolaevich, well now i’m asking a question, i represent you , yes, yes, well, somehow you know, by the way, i was recently thinking in connection with one date in my life that somehow everything turned out quite naturally for me, well, here i am after all in some kind of main incarnation i read the teaching, i really wanted to. i started teaching while still a student, sometimes such stories happen to us, and in fact i lived at the institute and

continue to live there, and then when the patriarch so coolly... launched this professional movement of life, he gave me such an honor by inviting to create a department , new at that time, information, well, with the magazine it also happened somehow very naturally, back in our student days, in our senior years, we came up with a form and we first started with volodya gurbolikov, you know well, at first we were with the editors and then i immediately became the editor-in-chief, so when i work at the journalism department, i always say that it’s difficult for me to talk about some journalistic things, because i immediately became my first position was editor-in-chief right away, so something like that, but you know what else is interesting, because, as far as i understand, you were not born in moscow, far from moscow, in the north of kazakhstan in kustan and you studied there, then after graduating from school you entered mgemo, with the second time doesn’t matter, i would like to dwell on this moment, but for me mgemo, it was generally something beyond the realm of possibility, i ’m only a fan of connections, only there are children from

some families, that’s how you feel in general the thought came to me that why are you exactly magemol, mom, mom, it was mom who wanted , mom wanted, as they say, i once joked that out of obedience, i, i wanted to go to the faculty of philosophy, moscow state university, moscow state university, but first urgu, first serdlovsk to yekaterinburg, i even went there as a schoolboy, promgimo i, well, had some conversations, but everyone said that it was impossible, exactly what you just said was there, but the first time it didn’t work out, you say, the first time it didn’t work out. i had a medal, medalists then mmo had to confirm the medal with two exams, and i wrote an essay for five, which does not happen, so to speak, i passed english for four, in general, you were stabbed in english, well, i wasn’t stabbed, i’m objective of course i didn’t know, and i had to take it further, then there were five exams, and i ended up scoring 22 points, i needed 23, then there was a checkpoint, it turned out to be 23, and you still took the risk of going there again

a year later, but somehow i already had it, i prepared, prepared, worked in parallel for several months, though in an ambulance as a nurse, well, in general, i looked life, so to speak, from different angles in different optics, so they got in, and got in, since the medal was still valid, i got two a’s, got in, yes, but i’m still very interested, because as far as i understand, it was a terribly interesting time, it was late eighties, early nineties an extremely interesting time, because i became a citizen of the ussr, by the end of the first semester i became a foreigner and in general everything was incomprehensible, although you know, i recently thought about this, when we talked with students, i talked about their time, this is what they are going through now, and i understand that all this drama that we are talking about now, the collapse of the soviet union, we didn’t feel then, but what did you feel, this is really very interesting to me, this feeling that here we live in an era of change, but on our

everything is changing before our eyes, what will happen next, no one knows, this is parting with the past , these... rallies, some kind of august rally of the ninety-first year there, or vice versa , october of the ninety-three, this is how you perceived it all then, it will sound strange , i was never interested in politics, having graduated from a political university, defended myself in political sciences, somehow, well, it was always less interesting to me, and the august peak, i remember that i had just returned to kustanay and my father’s apiary, there was and now is, here we go, we i just remember a difficult evening, we pumped out honey. everything hurts, these bees have stung you, it’s all very painful , and we turn on the radio, and i tell dad, dad, don’t turn it on, i’m telling you, already, he says , what if we miss something important? , i say, well, what could be important, that’s what, it’s now the 8th and august 19th, yes, yes, and he turns it on, that means, and we hear, he says, you see, son, and you said, that means nothing, but ninety-third year i

was an exchange student in the states, i remember that... i managed to escape from some lecture on completely legal grounds, because i approached a professor in northern california , it was at the university, i say, you heard what is happening in our country, yes, i say, you know, i'm like, let me go, please, i have to see what's happening, he says, yes, yes, of course , go, here we are then, but it was completely curious, because i left, it turns out, from one side, i returned to different, in every sense, but now, how do you perceive all this? now you know i am i perceive through the prism in general these thoughts about how much a person, humanity, society, i don’t know, academic circles are able to assess the situation in the moment, or is it still the need for historical distance, is there such an imperative requirement for assessment, well, firstly, because we don’t know the consequences, but when

everyone talks there today about the historical nature of the events taking place, i perfectly understand that this is so, but i also perfectly understand that we don’t understand, firstly, not knowing the consequences, yes, being in the process , we all we still can’t evaluate this, and it seems to me that this is not... and impossible for a person, i think a lot, i can’t say, a lot deeply, but still periodically i ask myself this question, about the importance of historical distance and what else is needed to evaluate the events, but it just seems to me that almost no one assumed that the soviet union would collapse, when now people say, yes , we knew everything, we always knew, there were different ones, i understand, there were forecasts, there were some of these, but then in the moment, i listened, recently, to lectures there by our outstanding historians, which, frankly, well, no one imagined this, returning to your question, it seems to me that somehow i, like many probably my classmates, friends, we still partly existed in some kind of

, well, not i can say that there is still some kind of academic reality, but still, that’s where your treasure is, that’s where your heart is, that’s how i started to be interested in literature and philosophy there, i continued in that space, somehow it was more interesting for me there, then we opened a church for ourselves at that time, and i, for example, if we remember that was in my first year, then i remember all the drama and scale of the events that we are talking about much more sharply and clearly, for example , remember, this store, orthodox shoes, as it was called, because there was the only store where they sold religious literature, this there was a department on the furunzinskoe metro in a shoe store, there were several tables, and there, in my opinion, from the publishing department of the then moscow patriarchate, they sold the first reprint of literature, i remember this very well, but from what you say, rather, the youth of such a future academic professor is taking shape, who... lives in history in philosophy, and it turns out that you are now at the forefront of political life doing something that seems to exclude the possibility of distance, yes, if you are

forced to comment on this or that other events, the relationship between the church and society, you can’t talk , let me, a year or so will pass, and i’ll tell you what to think about this or that, what to do with the trinity icon or some other things, that’s how it's in you gets along, well, you know, it seems to me that i realized in time, just like i did at one time. at school i realized that i was not a poet, but at some point at the institute i realized that i was not a scientist, well, simply because, with all my interest in academic life, and the respect there for philosophy, i completely disappeared during my postgraduate years at the department of philosophy , what department did i study in, then it was called the faculty of international information at the department of public relations, in graduate school i was already with my favorite teacher pavlovich, vyazemsky at the department world literature of culture, but i defended myself in political sciences, but i realized that this is still the dominant one. i don’t have that kind of scientist, i’m not ready to give it all up, i’m still a teacher , that is, a popularizer, you know, when i was at school, i remember we arrived in yekaterinburg,

went to the faculty of philosophy and we ended up at lecture about engels, and i remember what the teacher said, that marx was really a thinker, and engels was such a popularizer, i somehow got this idea in my head i hit my head and i don’t mean that i compare myself to engels. but i understand that i am a popularizer, i can find contact with the audience, as long as i have this, i understand that it can go away tomorrow, because as you know very well, every time you enter the audience, it’s the same again, and you don’t understand whether this lecture will work or not, in fact, i got this turnaround, and as for my current main obedience, forgive me, i ’m using this word, but in a sense it’s like that and there is, then i treat it in such a way that - i probably turned out to be... ' needed, i was given such an honor, they called me, i came, that is, you didn’t ask for it, i didn’t ask for it, i didn’t go, i not because this is something like that, well, i just didn’t have any such plans, i wasn’t going to change anything, i was the head of the journalism department, we

were going to write some kind of textbook, i planned to somehow build this uh, some kind of academic career, yes academic, yes teaching, academic, this is the turn of events unexpected, but i understand that for these 15 years i lived there, well, several lives and no matter what dimension you take, i was on bering island, accompanying his holiness the patriarch, but when would i have ended up on bering island, but never, we let's continue, this is a podcast about the life of the wonderful, with you i am its leading writer alexey varlamov, my guest is vladimir romanovich legoyda, professor mgemo, editor-in-chief of the foma magazine, chairman of the department for interaction between church and society, in general, this is the world... enough for most people closed, not very understandable, well, you can remember the wonderful book of archimandrite tikhon, but not the holy saints, which in many ways, but thanks to its