welcomes alexey yagudin and his legendary coach tatyanaevna tarasova with her phrase that everyone knows. figure skating, and today we are once again convinced of this. lyosha, everything is possible, well, what can i do here, what does it mean that our figure skating has not moved anywhere for these 20 years, or how simply we are ahead, we are good, well, in your opinion, everything is deserved, it’s not me who assessed it, thank you, god, who assessed, people's artists, well, not me, well, after all , ordinary viewers are also sitting in front of the tv and they are

trainers, honored ones, don’t you think this is it’s unfair that lyoshka is the first, but i was sure, six months ago, as soon as they started discussing the tournament, who would win it, because well , that’s understandable, in principle, i have questions about competitions, duets and singles in one competition, and that’s me i don’t really understand this, i just don’t know how to compete with yagudin, i know how to compete with totmin, but i don’t know how to compete with yagudin or how to compete with sherbakova? no one taught me this in my life, i have no talent to compete with girls or with singles, boys, there is no need to compete with girls, you need to have a number that would always lift up the whole hall , at which they would always shout bravo, or a number at which no one shouts at all, bravo, and no one applauds, but just everything is quiet

they sit crying, you know, but i don’t want, for example, to perform numbers where people sit crying , i don’t like it, that’s not my style, but you, and you didn’t try it, because you didn’t have such a number, but they did i have such numbers, so no one cried, i watched everything, no, well, here i have there wasn’t, but i shouldn’t watch, i should empathize with you and be with you, maybe you have an idea for some kind of tournament, but you know, i didn’t think about it, and i want to tell you, i was happy that i was working on the first. i was happy that i was so busy, that i was doing something like what they say i can do, and i tried to talk with one person, with a second, with a third, who comments, yes, i tried to gain some skill for understanding of this profession, well, i’m not working now, so i will i’ll probably be doing something else, but now i’ll figure out what i should do? or maybe

i shouldn’t do anything anymore? because i will be 77 years old this year, what is 77? we have people like moskvina, mishin, yes, well done, that’s where we all need to strive, well done, no, i can’t live without training, i go around cutting wedges all the time, i see i’m helping to wear out something there. and that’s it, i absolutely, absolutely cannot sit at home, at all, that is, i don’t even understand what i should do, where i should go, so i go, i go there, where is my place, i know, this place is a skating rink, you can’t imagine your life without a skating rink, but at the same time you had great pleasure working there on channel one, right?

but the fact is that here in this program we very often find something that gives a new impetus, what do you say, and i can tell you that there are ideas in which everyone would be happy, everyone would receive it’s a great pleasure that you say, i’m glad, let ’s get away from figure skating a little , let’s talk, we’ve already talked about figure skating for two episodes, you have two wonderful ones grandson, one is 15, the other is 14, well, they have a mom and dad, i do this, i do this in order to pamper them, to give them something, and you are a strict grandmother, dava, no, how can a grandmother not be strict, grandma should love, that grandma should be strict, that mom and dad should be strict, or as they like, and why should grandma... be

strict, we have a very warm, beautiful golden autumn this year, oh, well what, there has never been such an autumn before, i even got dressed for the beach today, is it a dacha or a city apartment in this weather? country house, dacha, like dad, i’m used to living no longer in a city apartment, in a dacha, i live in a dacha, but like tarasova, i’m also used to living in a dacha, in a dacha, where you have a dacha, in the same place where your student’s house was, we were neighbors, but i wasn’t in their houses, well, i, alexey and i are neighbors, damn it, he never invited you to his place, no, how does this happen, well, it happens, i always invite everyone to my dacha, i always invite everyone to my dacha, but he didn’t, honestly, i invite you to my place, now i’m finishing the repairs right away with with pleasure, and you come to me, everyone comes to me, to have tea, and so you know, with

pleasure to drink tea, and with a sandwich, you talk about it in such a way that i just wanted to finish our interview now, let’s go have tea, yes ? drink tea straight away, it’s so delicious to have it with varenitsa, with your own, that’s it, tatyana anatolyevna, with your varenitsa, honestly, brewed, you know, what i just saw in front of me is that a picture, you have your own studio, you are sitting in a comfortable armchair, drinking tea with jam, yes, you have some a guest, and you, for example, and you are discussing, for example, the tournament that you are watching, watch, let’s say, a short one, the first warm-up was held there with the girls, the inclusion of the studio tatyana anatolyevna is discussing with someone in a homely relaxed atmosphere, this is kind

, cozy, our beloved tatyana anatolyevna, tells the whole truth to the mother, as usual, that she saw, well, you ’ve already offered me a job, tatyana anatorevna, thank you very much, it was very interesting, my soul, thank you for calling me, good... it turns out when you put on the program, that’s when you can say this word, it turns out, that’s when it turns out, that’s what you do, thank you very much, watch all episodes of the free program podcast on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. hello, i’m pilot cosmonaut anton shkaplerov, this is a space stories podcast, today my guest is darya chudnaya , deputy general director of a private russian space company, journalist , dasha, hello, hello, anton

nikolaevich, you graduated from the faculty of journalism, as far as i understand, not at all was connected with astronautics, but somehow miraculously you began to work in the space industry, tell us about your first contact with space, it seems to me that the key word here is miraculously, because i never planned and did not want to connect my life with cosmonautics, with aviation, i didn’t think about it, i’ll explain why i didn’t want to say it, because my dad has worked in the aviation field all his life, and my grandfather, he was a pilot, so i can say that i probably can to say that i'm like that aviation dynasty and naturally, when i graduated from school, the first thing my parents asked was if i wanted to try to enroll in mine, but something is not like the former institute, the moscow aviation institute, yes, but something in me was apparently different, i it seemed that i was a more humanitarian person, that i was a more creative person, and i decided

to go to the faculty of journalism of the russian state university for the humanities, from which i graduated, probably about eight years after i graduated from the university, i miraculously ended up at museum of cosmonautics, but before we talk about the museum of cosmonautics, i will take a step back and talk about what happened to me when i was 10-11 years old, because my first contact with space, if we talk about this, it happened precisely at this age. at that time i lived in hanoi in vietnam, my dad worked there, on duty, he just met all the important guests who flew into the city of hanoi, and one day valentina vladimirovna tereshkova flew to hanoi. dad told me about that the astronaut was arriving, the first woman, i already knew this, i naturally really wanted to meet her, but i don’t remember my first feeling from our meeting, but i remember something else, i remember that she then took a postcard and signed it for me

, my dad gave me this postcard, i looked and it was written there, and i give you all the best, and i remember , then it gave me such an incredible wave of warmth, because a lot of people came, they left a lot of autographs, everyone wrote very kindly . literally there in a month before that, another very famous person came, who wrote to me: dasha , listen to dad, mine is always the dishes, and i was upset, but here there was some very warm, some very human attitude, this was my first contact with space, then you and i very quickly move to 2014, when i was invited to the position of head of the press service at the moscow museum of cosmonautics, if you... then in the fourteenth year a new director came to the museum and they recruited a new

team together with this new team i i also came to the museum and a completely different life began, which i now i can already say that i have been working in space for 10 years, i have absolutely this feeling, because i received this involvement in an absolutely incredible area that is so it energizes me that i can talk about this endlessly, and thanks to... what the museum gave me , thanks to that experience, thanks to those acquaintances, thanks to those meetings that i had in the museum, i really, it seems to me, have succeeded and in many ways as a person and in many ways, as a professional in this field, and what the museum was like when you came to work , in 2014 the museum was very different from the museum as we see it now with you, i was probably very different, because for me, like many people had the feeling that the museum was something frozen. that nothing happens in a museum, that a museum is necessarily about some exhibits

, behind which it is often not always clear what stands, and especially if it is a scientific and technical museum, so, of course, i had such an attitude towards the museum, i i didn’t understand yet what what to expect next, what to expect next from this place, little by little my team and i began to develop all this, develop, develop, we did one project, we did a project, we improved something here, we improved something here, looking ahead, i will say that in 2014 year, the attendance of the moscow museum of cosmonautics was more than 200 thousand people, in the pre-pandemic year , this attendance was almost 800,000 people , the museum was filled with life, the museum was constantly filled with some kind of activity, some kind of movement, and very people began to come to the museum different target audiences, that is, this is also important, so that not only there are techies... who live in this in everything, so that people who are engaged in different

professions, different specialties, far, as far as possible from space, so that they too i wanted to come to the museum so that they would be inspired by the stories that they can hear there, and so that, perhaps, after leaving the museum, they would already think, or maybe somehow connect their lives with space or remember, i don’t know, some... the stories they were told relatives about how their lives were already connected with. that is, the museum had a task, there were even two of them: the first task - after a person has gone through the entire exhibition, so that he understands, is filled with this pride, in general, because there any exhibit that you look at, it whether you like it or not, he fills you with this pride and joy, probably from belonging, so the first thought is that every person can be the first, like... gagarin was the first in space, regardless of what field you are in

work or in whatever field you are doing something, the second thought, of course, is precisely about the fact that space is an immense topic, space is a topic that can be endlessly immersed, explored, and - space is the topic with which each of us is connected. and speaking of exhibits, do you have a favorite exhibit in the museum? i think that any person who... has been or worked in a museum will say that he has his favorite exhibits in the museum, absolutely, but of course, i will probably say about a few exhibits, which at one time made a great impression on me, and the first exhibit is a cardiogram of yuri alekseevich gagarin , which was taken on the eve of the launch, why does this exhibit make such an impression on me, because when i first looked at it, i studied it surrounded by people with medical education, when they looked at this cardiogram, they said to me: he says: you know, it’s surprising, but the person is absolutely not worried, i say,

how is it, how can he not worry, he tomorrow he will fly into space for the first time, and this made a great impression on me, and i decided for myself that all the cosmonauts, all the people who probably devote their lives to this topic, they are in some way very similar to yuri alekseevich, i think that you, anton nikolaevich, were also probably a little worried, but it probably wasn’t noticeable on your cardiogram, the second... exhibit that i would like to talk about is an exhibit that entered the museum during my work at the museum , this is faina's letter georgievna ranevskaya, which was written for death. year, and the letter was written by faina georgievna ranevskaya to tatyana tes, a journalist and her friend. why did it make such an impression on me, because in this letter i saw the reaction and pain, probably, of the population not only of the entire soviet union, but of the entire world, at the death

of the first cosmonaut on the planet. i can even quote a few lines from there, because i worked a lot with this letter.... there are probably two such fragments that i can now reproduce, the first the fragment sounds as follows, fayina georgievna ranevskaya writes that day i played scenes from somov, and when i returned home i drank vodka alone, this has never happened to me, it’s immediately clear how people perceived the death of the first cosmonaut, and even further she writes, she says, why didn’t gagarin... they said that he now belonged to the world, and not to himself, and they allowed him to fly, and i this letter in special gloves next to special people from the funds, i held it in my hands, this of course produces a colossal impression, giving , did you have the opportunity to visit various space objects, well, thanks to the fact that you work at

the cosmonautics museum, of course, the museum opened the door to me, the museum actually opened the door to this for me. industries in this area, and several places that i want to talk about, and the first is probably rsc energia, because the museum, which is located at rsc energia, and at the museum, which is at the energia enterprise, which makes our ships, part of the station, they have their own museum, they have their own museum, there it is possible, as far as i understand, by agreement, small, now it is possible openly, now it is possible openly, you just need to contact them in time, yes, why is he on me. made an impression, because there i saw the original descent vehicles and yuri alekseevich gagarin and alexei arkhipovovich leonov, if i’m not mistaken valentin vladimirovna tereshkova, that is, all the originals are there, then many years later we already did an exhibition at the museum of cosmonautics and - yulia’s descent vehicle alekseevich gagarin was for some time in the exhibition of the museum of cosmonautics, then returned there, but this is really

a place where i also felt some kind of involvement in space, and if there is such an opportunity. i advise everyone to visit this place, especially if you have an interest in astronautics and a love for this topic, and another place is the imb, the institute of medical and biological problems is also a space place, and i remember that there i first saw this specially this room chamber, as it would be more correct to call it, where the first isolation experiment took place in sixty-eight, it was called, and yes, it was called a year in a starship, a very interesting experiment, rooms, a small experiment, and the most interesting thing is that a film about this experiment can be found on the internet, watch, see how it took place, a documentary , a documentary film, everything is based there, i watched it, it’s very interesting, surprising, and you remember, the main thing is what the results were, i was very shocked that people then didn’t communicate and so on, you are now looking at it from such a practical scientific point of view

vision, and i will remind you that there was also a romantic story, because the person who participated in this experiment, at some point he realized that he had fallen in love with a girl who worked outside this space, she worked at the institute of medical sciences -biological problems, what if you fell in love with your voice, then there was no video , yes, yes, if i’m not mistaken, it was purely voice communication and correspondence, and there’s also rewrite, in my opinion there was correspondence, and well you see, as a girl, this moment touched me too, and i highly recommend this film look, because in general, to have an idea of ​​​​what isolation experiments are, because at the institute of medical and biological problems these experiments are still carried out, there were many of them, they were different, conditions were simulated both during the flight to the moon and during the flight to mars, we remember the whole mars 500 experiment, but a year and a half of isolation , a year and a half in isolation, it’s impossible to imagine, it’s impossible, it’s better to stay in orbit for six months, but i just wanted to say that it’s hard for me to imagine how

it’s possible and not, there’s a lot everything is better with us there is communication skills and the crew changes periodically. no, it’s interesting there and every day is different, so i’m very proud of my work , it seems to me that i have the most interesting job that you can imagine and the most beloved, of course, i can’t even imagine what i would do if if i hadn’t gotten into cosmonautics, i’m proud to know you and the cosmonauts, and that i also work in this industry, we continue the conversation about the moscow museum of cosmonautics with daria the wonderful. and me, anton shkablerov. giving, but there was an opportunity to accompany to meet the crews? i know about the traditions that the museum has, i went through them myself, yes, indeed, and already while working at the museum, together with the team, we restored the tradition that existed before, even under sergei pavlovich korolev, and this tradition is as follows: crews that

sent to baikanur before the launch into space, before departure from moscow, in my opinion, no, first before departure, but we understand that very soon they will go to the international space station, yes, yes, yes, and the tradition is that before they will be leaving moscow, they definitely had to come to the territory of the memorial house of the museum, pavlovich korolev, visit the house of sergei pavlovich korolev , sit on the bench that is located in the garden next to this house and most importantly, above this bench on the tree hangs that very legendary horseshoe on good luck, which sergei pavlovich korolev found in the yard back in the day and attached it there himself, so i remember very well when you and the team came to us more than once, and, of course, maybe there was such a mission, but in my opinion , with our, uh, in my opinion, the very third flight, it was we who resumed this tradition of drinking tea, this in the house, because

indeed, sergei pavlovich korolev , just on the eve of gagarin’s launch, came to the house where he was next door in the neighboring house, and i came to visit gagarin and titov, they drank tea, it really went down in history and i am very glad that the museum will support this tradition. we are happy to come, we were with the film crew, it was another immersion into astronautics, into history, that is, they saw the originals of things, among whom sergei pavlovich korolev lived, visited his house, heard a lot of interesting things from your colleagues and i know for sure that all this time they remember how such a good, kind place, hospitable, where you always want to return, but besides the traditions that are associated with the house sergei pavlovich korolev. i also want to talk about an experience that it seems to me that i will remember everything for the rest of my life, once i was at the return of the crew from the international space station, together

with the search and rescue team i went to the kazakh steppe, it was a long road, and we spent the night in the steppe and i remember , this is the morning, it was summer, and dawn, they give us a report on when the return of the crew will happen, i can even say, by the way, what kind of crew it was. this is not a secret, then - the commander of the ship was oleg kononenko, he flew with the sanjak with en makley, we met this crew, and it was amazing, just something incredible, that is, it seems to me that the moment the rocket took off was something... what changes is human perception, and here you are no longer just you see off the astronauts, here you meet them, it seems to me that meeting them is always more pleasant and i remember. it seems to me that literally every minute there is this morning, when we understand that when it happens, everyone has already had breakfast, everyone is ready, literally

there are only a few minutes left until the moment when in the absolutely transparent, blue sky it should appear this black dot, a descent module that is returning from space, when i tell this story, i always tell everyone that i allowed myself, when i saw this dot, i allowed myself an unforgivable... for a person who works in this industry, the thought, i look, the sky was transparent, there was nothing, at that moment i see this dot and say, listen, space the truth exists, that is, they are returning, and it’s amazing, this dot is getting bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, at this moment there is an absolute, very professional bustle on earth, because everyone is going, going, going, all services are working, everything very harmonious, there are bluebirds, these cars, and they lined up on the horizon, all this... incredibly beautiful, it’s clear that the people who are working at this moment don’t pay attention to it that way, i still went there as a representative of, let’s say, a press team,

a team of journalists, i also had the opportunity to reflect on this topic, there is a landing, special people approach the descent vehicle , there is a radiation check, one second, that is, everything is very clear, i am surprised how many services are working, the launch vehicle, the astronauts appear in this moment seems that some kind of miracle is happening, well, then, i’m telling you this like this, as if you never had anything to do with it, well, i haven’t met anyone, at least not yet, but i think that from the inside it’s of course, also perceives everything in a more amazing way. well, from the outside it looks like this, but over the 10 years of working at the museum, were there any meetings that you remember most? i can’t single out just one person at once, because it

would be incorrect in front of everyone else, including the cosmonauts and employees of the rocket and space industry, with whom i i had a chance to talk, because every meeting gave birth to something new in me and brought something in, but i have to answer this question, and i’ll probably tell you about several of my meetings with alexei arkhipovovich leonov, who came to the cosmonautics museum many times , who perceived this place as a kind of home, there was an absolute feeling that he felt at home there, probably in the best sense. and i remember, alexey arkhipovich leonov, the first time we had a shoot, i remember that there were some foreign journalists, and alexey arkhipovich, already somewhere in the fifth or sixth hour of filming, he continued, he was so energetic , he was naturally already aged, but he was very energetic, he gave some instructions to the film crew, we continued this filming, and somewhere... then after 5-6 hours, colleagues, foreigners, journalists, they come up and say, alexey arkhipovich, let's take a break, let's take a breath,

we need to breathe out a little, it's difficult for us. and here alexey arkhipovich gathers and says: that means, i worked for 20 years without lunch, and you won’t, let’s continue filming, and we spent about another 3 hours, yes, for about 3 hours the company always filmed until 3:00 until the evening, it really seems to me that they didn’t even bother to go drink water anymore, because that’s how it is for them, and i still remember of course the stories of alexei arkhipovich leonov, he... really loved to tell in detail, in all the details about his spacewalk, and for those who don’t know, so as not to waste time on it now, i’ll probably recommend watching the film first time , where it is described in great detail, but i’ll just remind you that alexey arkhipovich leonov had to return to the airlock chamber, as we remember, with his feet inward , as if into the airlock chamber itself, so that yes, to close the hatch behind him, to close the hatch behind him, because if it does not close

automatically , but then there was no one there yet... who did not do it automatically, but he had to close it on his own, because no one could do it for him, and we remember that due to the large number of emergency situations with many of which alexey arkhipoch managed, but he failed with his feet - down to enter, he had to swim with his head into the airlock chamber, and when you swim with your head into the airlock chamber, due to the fact that the spacesuit is very large, this spacesuit, by the way, its technological duplicate is in the museum of cosmonautics, you can see it, see how it is in general looked, and due to the fact that he was very large, and this backpack at the back, it was impossible to just take and turn around, and alexey arkhipovich, he relieves the pressure in the spacesuit, exposing his life, of course, to a colossal risk, but at the same time understanding what pressure is it possible namely, he turns around, closes this hatch, and then, when he was telling this whole story, he then made such a theatrical pause and said, and you know, what’s most

important, i realized, at that moment, as if everyone who listens, at that moment they froze, tried to understand what, and he said, i understood that you want to live, be able to spin, spin, brilliantly, yes, giving, what projects are you proud of, that were in the museum of cosmonautics during your work, one of the projects was called the search for unsent postcards, i will tell its backstory, and we then, together with my colleague olley , we were working in the press service. at some point , inspiration just flies to us. an employee from the acquisition service, from the acquisition department, who brings 16 postcards with a photograph of cosmonaut vladimir mikhailovich komarov, and we see that on the back of these postcards is the astronaut’s autograph, authentic, and in his own hand it is written who the postcard is intended for and where it is needed was supposed to be sent, but for some reason these postcards were not sent, and it’s interesting was that they were all signed by residents

of ufa. and my colleague and i, our perception still works a little differently , we look at these postcards, the same idea is born in our heads at the same time, why don’t we try, half a century later, to find the recipients of these unsent postcards and convey such greetings from the cosmic past, and we are starting this big machine to search for these people, and how many emotions we experienced simply cannot be conveyed, but also looking ahead, i will say that we are not... in total we found four people, that is, 12 out of 16 addressees of these postcards, moreover, as part of this action, we held a very large exhibition at the moscow museum of cosmonautics, which was dedicated to vladimir mikhailovich komarov, we invited everyone we found or addressees , or their relatives, if the recipients themselves were no longer alive, we invited them to the museum, we solemnly presented them with these postcards, and the government of bashkartostan,

directly in the city of ufa, when they found out about this, they supported the search as much as possible, these people got involved in this work, yes, they got involved in this work, tv people, journalists got involved, as a result. on the building of the aviation institute in the city of ufa, where this meeting with vladimir mikhailovich komarov took place, a memorial plaque was installed, everything grew out of these sixteen postcards, and there was another project that i also really like, this too, by the way, i will talk about half a century, it was a chess game that was played between earth and space 50 years later, the first... was played in in the seventieth year, when the cosmonauts at the mission control center and the cosmonauts in orbit played chess, and we, as people who work to popularize this industry, we decided 50 years later, exactly half a century later

, to repeat this game, this time the cosmonautics museum was already playing and the international space station, and there was such a wave of interest in the topic of chess that we kind of rode this wave even further, attracted more attention to this topic, the topic of space, became interested in space, became interested in the museum, became interested in chess, great, all this it was live, in two languages, a huge amount of coverage, a huge number of views, and of course, many more people then wanted to come to the cosmonautics museum, i know that you’ve already written a book, uh, about space animals, can you tell me briefly about it, how did the idea come about and what can readers who haven’t read it yet read there? yes, this book is called animals, cosmonauts, the first space conquerors, i don’t talk about all animals there, i talk there first of all about dogs that flew into space, and the idea of ​​this book was born from two points: first, i began to notice that people who come to the museum, regardless of

their age, they only know three dogs that flew into space, this is laika, the first dog that went into space, and squirrel and strelka, the first living creatures that not only flew into space, but also returned safely to earth, but there were many more of these dogs, and i learned this, by the way, all thanks to institute of medical and biological problems, because i had the opportunity to work with archival documents, with the memories of people who directly prepared these dogs for flight into space, at some point, in the course of this communication i began to write down stories, just for myself, at some point ... that moment, one of the publishing houses with which we interacted came to our museum and said, you know, we want to make some good book with the museum, from you. filling, as we have the opportunity for the museum to be in all bookstores in russia and i say, there is such a topic, they talk amazingly, no one has ever written about this before, i wrote this book, and it has already gone through four editions,

that is, such popularization, yes, there i talk about all the animals, starting with the very first ones, which are still in in the fifty-first year, the dogs flew into space, that is , like 10 years, and before the first human flight into space. already finishing the experiments that took place after the flight, what an extreme dog flew into space, you don’t remember, i don’t remember, because there are such a huge number of them, about 50 dogs flew into space, and some flew twice, several dogs flew three times, and one dog flew four times, real astronauts, and i always tell people that if people think that they just took dogs and sent them into space, this is not so, they were essentially there a real dog squad, they also underwent training, medical selection, mandatory, medical selection, we remember that a certain height, weight, age, color, necessarily girls, if we are talking about orbital flights, because we also flew on geophysical flights

boy dogs and girl dogs, only girls in orbital, necessarily mongrels, and the training was very strict , that is, the same centrifuge, and then the dogs were necessarily trained, because it was not clear how they would behave, they were taught to eat in flight conditions shaking conditions, in conditions of loud sounds, this is real training, real, absolutely real , tell me about your new job, after 7.5 years at the cosmonautics museum, i was offered to study not only history but modernity, but let’s say, just completely, this is what is happening now and what will be interesting in the future, and i moved from the cosmonautics museum to private russia. this is very important, because now, i am absolutely convinced of this, cosmonautics as a whole is experiencing some kind of renaissance and some kind of revival, and private astronautics in russia is now gaining momentum