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both sides should show restraint, both sides should look for a way out of the conflict, but i don’t hear it. some warnings from israel and the united states, which should make them seriously think about whether it is possible to continue the current line of rapprochement between, say, saudi arabia and iran, whether it is possible to try to somehow find new stability in the middle east, in many ways under the auspices of the united states, is this possible? without taking any new positions on the palestinian issue, what do you think the arab countries will do? i think it's something

the fact that armed actions have begun now, it really has a certain symbolism, symbolism not only in the fact that 50 years have passed since the war of the seventy-third year, it seems to me that an important element lies in the fact that there was an active discussion of the possibility of normalizing relations between saudi arabia arabia and israel. moreover, although the saudi side emphasized, as one of the most important conditions, the need to resolve the palestinian problem. however, netanyahu's mere phrase that the palestinians will not have any say over this process, made me think that this or that. nothing, in other words, excuse me, i’m interrupting you, about ukraine, nothing about ukraine without ukraine, in the case of palestine, nothing about palestine with the participation of palestinians, this is the central question, and i think that hamas wanted to undermine the process of this

normalization, which from their point of view, and not only from their point of view, it, so to speak, did not sufficiently take into account the requirements. but here i at the same time want to say another thing, that despite the terrible tragedy that is now happens, we still must admit that we are dealing with a different middle east , in the sense that now in the middle east regional players are increasingly gaining strength and independence, in the sense that they are beginning to pursue their own interests in a much greater more than they could once afford, and if we talk about this , it seems to me that these regional major players, including those who normalized relations with israel, will now have to act much more

more actively than before, not just wait for proposals from the great powers, how to sit down at the negotiating table, where, with whom to talk, what is the basis for these negotiations, do they have a resource for this? i think so, yes, but the will, that’s what concerns the will and what they want to see the middle east like in the future, then in my opinion, if we are talking about the fact that considerations of strategic development should prevail. over considerations of clarifying the endless relationship with the help of weapons, and this we clearly see the development strategy of saudi arabia dying and so further, they are striving for the future, if you are striving for the future, please find ways to reduce

tension in your region as much as possible, otherwise nothing will happen, and it seems to me that they now understand or will understand in the very near future that now from ... history has entrusted them with the main mission of stabilizing the middle east. it is no less important that israel understands this too, that now we need to stop, we need to come to an agreement, we need to look for a solution. of course, i never expected such an explosive conflict, especially did not expect that israel would be so unprepared, but i increasingly had an uneasy feeling. when i looked at what was happening, so to speak, in this microdistrict, in which i include syria, i had the impression that when washington saw that

ukraine had become a priority for russia, and that, in general, it required large forces of great attention, then someone had the idea that, in general , this could be used so that the united states and its allies began to behave more assertively, with less. to the russian reaction in syria and israeli strikes against hezbol against the syrian army became more frequent, and this, in general, was noticeable because american aircraft began to be involved in dangerous situations that contradicted the norms of conflict avoidance that had existed until then, i do not i expected that russia would definitely do something about this

, in addition to defending its rights, and not only rhetorically, but how the russian pilots behaved, but i thought that, well, tagiran, hezbols, hamas, that they may have the feeling that in general they have begun to be perceived, well, let’s say, as too weak and helpless. not just with words, but with missile attacks, do you think that in general, to some extent, this is what happened, it was related to the consequences of the ukrainian conflict, from the influence of the united states in this area . yes, the ukrainian conflict had a serious impact on various regions, but i... do not agree that tahran felt weak, no,

this is not the same country, not the same government, which, i didn’t mean that they felt weak, i meant that they were treated as if they were weak, well, they may have been treated as if they were weak, but in fact everyone understands perfectly well, that it’s better not to get involved, you know, and israel, even carrying out certain strikes in syria, still carried them out in syria and still carried them out primarily against hezbollah and against its, so to speak, strongholds there, this is all clear, therefore, was it or iran might have a desire somehow emphasize once again that this is one of the leading forces in the region , that it must be taken into account, probably, it was, but this could have been done by completely different means, because what just happened, yakov kedmi said about it, he said: well, i’m not talking about iran, but about hamas, but he also said: but this is discrediting, and this is also a very important conclusion,

this is discrediting, how to sit down at the negotiating table with hamas now, it will be difficult, after all these victims, which in israel, as you know, are perceived very painfully, may be more painful than anywhere else, but what about discrediting iran , will it be possible to disrupt the normalization that has been outlined... recently between saudi arabia and iran, whoever, someone in washington would really like this , well, maybe someone in washington wanted this, but in principle i believe that this was the decision of saudi arabia and iran, first of all, and with the help of china, thank you, he helped them do this, it was about stopping endless, unnecessary, exhausting clashes in the middle east, in which both saudi arabia and iran were involved, but at the same time... any normalization does not mean that they cease to be rivals, they remain

rivals anyway, the only question is what methods are best used to ensure that this rivalry is realized. thank you, alexey, well, the whole point is that in this situation, the fact is the desire of iran and saudi arabia and riyadh. and tagheran, agree on drawing certain red lines so that both countries can solve the tasks assigned to them, namely the tasks development, in conditions when the united states switched to the pacific ocean to ukraine, in general, they clearly showed themselves how they cannot decide something even with their allies, abandoning, say, afghanistan. having almost destroyed iraq, in these conditions the countries of the middle east are looking for their place in order to

solve these main tasks themselves, and this requires stabilization of the possibility of socio-economic development. thank you, dmitry, we have very little time left, but there is one very important question, we hear what has been discovered weapon. which western weapons were supplied, which were supplied to ukraine, and that it was discovered in the hands of hamaz , firstly, as far as you think, is a widespread phenomenon, and secondly, do you have any fear that this kind of tendency, the spread of western weapons through ukraine around the world, various dangerous movements, that this in general may become a more widespread phenomenon, well, i am almost sure that this will happen, because a large number, especially

of portable weapons, including anti-tank manpads complexes have really spread all over the world, they talked about this, including with the member european union, the fact that these weapons are not falling into the best hands is also understandable, it’s not so bad if they end up, say, in the gas sector, it will be much worse , if it falls to some terrorists in the berlin area, and this is also a possible option, so war, any war, any military conflict is a source of left-wing smuggling of weapons, ukraine, a conflict of such intensity that the conversation is probably going on there, not in dozens or about thousands, otherwise... these weapons, which have gone to the side, are already starting to play, let’s say in this conflict, we don’t yet know when the tanks will enter gaza, what they will fire at them, that ’s the question, but they will probably shoot, but as for afghanistan, i i would also like to say one such thought, and if the americans did not lose afghanistan, on the contrary, they specifically left there, so as not to have a painful point

at the beginning of the ukrainian conflict, that is , when we cannot inflict a similar symmetrical attack on them: a symmetrical blow by supplying our weapons, that is it is too the question is such a chess game, it’s just that america doesn’t run everywhere either, the united states responded to the crisis in the middle east by sending a squadron, a squadron led by the american aircraft carrier jerat ford, and there is a cruiser, several aircraft carriers, with a large reserve. i must say serious weapons, including cruise missiles. i don’t really understand who this squadron is directed against, and what kind of reactions, political reactions this squadron is expected to achieve in the middle east. but i still remember, again, the eighty-second year,

when president reagan had the nobility from my point of view, the desire to help evacuate the palestine liberation organizations from beirut, but when the americans evacuate someone, there must then be a situation full of american military hegemony, yes, it cannot be otherwise, they urgently sent linkon jerzi, it was such a not very new ship, dating back to the second world war, with very heavy shells, in general , somehow it was sent to help evacuate the palestinians, then somehow they started shelling the hills above damascus, then somehow, by the way, they hit the syrian units, and then a few months later the barracks of the american pihotins took off,

more than 200 people were killed, but that was the case, that was the case. that’s what i was there, i saw it, i didn’t see the explosion myself, but i was in beirutia at the time and i just remember how - during the defensive months the nature of the american presence changed, from a humanitarian mission to shells in new jersey, and i think that the united states needs to be very careful with what it does... using military force in this area, because the area is with a lot of gunpowder, with a lot of emotions, and if in washington they do not show reasonable caution, then they can get the most unpredictable consequences, there are already examples of this, it was a big game, we'll see you

on the air tomorrow. hello, friends, this is a podcast about the life of the wonderful with you, me, its host, writer alexey varlamov, my guest today is cinema and literature, a wonderful director. alexander veledinsky and writer, public figure, sergei shargunov. a the reason for our wonderful meeting, thank you for coming, was the release of the film 1993, based on the novel by sergei shargunov, and actually today about this novel, about this film, about this time, i want to talk to you, let's start with you,

sergey , in fact, the theme of 1993 in literature, well, one way or another , is reflected, that’s what comes to mind, well, these are novels, yuri bondarev’s bermuda triangle, yes, this is alexander prokhanov red-brown, this is sergei esin, by the way, the former rector of literature. institute, his novel eclipse mars, what else comes to mind boris evseev renounced hymns here are yours, from leonid borodin, it was, yes, from leonid borodin, it was leonid yuzifovich, by the way, yes, dwarf cranes, from vasily belov, from beloov, yes, of course, from vasily belova and here is your eduard lemov, eduard lemov, well, look, all these are writers, so to speak, of an older generation than you, writers who in... an adolescent, a teenager, why, why, what was you, to a thirteen-year-old boy, ninety-

three years old, we are children of the terrible years of russia i can’t forget anything, remember, like the block, i belonged to the generation that matured early, everything that happened was outrageous, impressive, involving, those events, in my opinion, were to a certain extent. turning point in the modern history of russia, and the ninety-first year is turning point events, and this is all interconnected, of course, this is such a special time, but it is interesting that the people who defended this building together in the ninety-first year turned out to be opponents 2 years later, and characteristically , that many young guys, either my peers, or a little

older, those who defended democracy in ninety-one, their parents weren’t allowed in, in ninety-three they weren’t allowed in either , but i had already run away from home, it was all taken very seriously, painfully, but besides everything else, it seems to me that i was already teething a certain look of a writer, because when i came there, i tried to remember all this, to fix it in my mind, and you were so crazy, that’s what, what were you doing there on those barricades? well, first of all, i still felt like such a witness, a chronicler, it was very interesting for me to talk to people, to understand what they were like, i remember this - krasnoprestenskaya station, ordinary people in the metro were completely indifferent to what was happening, and one man in shabby clothes shouted, comrades, don’t forget to get out, and how many people shied away from him , i go out, i see a woman with a vat of borscht, whom i detained... the besieged barricade is trying to drag this borscht through and this large pan tips over and bright red slurry spills over the marble

floor of krasnopresnenskaya you knew about this, here i am i also think it’s just asking for not telling, well, maybe there will be a series again, no, probably not me then, well, there’s a lot more and the smoke of the fires and the faces of the barricades and completely different flags, inflorescences of flags, disputes within the crowd, someone turns away from one speaker, someone turns to him with hope, completely different chants , completely different flags, and you remember all this in your young memory, the society for the development of the theory of youth happiness, there were christian democrats, cadets, anarchists, nationalists, just like that such an amazing gate park in the city center, wonderful, what are your memories, alexander? and my memories are such that on october 1st... i’m not from moscow and on october 1st we started studying at the higher courses for screenwriters and directors and lived in a hostel in a geek, this is galushkina street, next to mira avenue, from

the sixteenth floor, this means that in our hostel we saw kostankin’s armored personnel carriers coming, and we, we lived in the same room, lyosha sidorov, igor porublev and i, this is the whole future brigade, who made the brigade, lyosha director, and we went for these armored personnel carriers to and we saw all this with our own eyes, so to speak, we took part, we believed that we, novice kimetographers, should, of course, be in the thick of things, at that moment you were still lying under bullets there, shooting at us , reporters were killed before my eyes, all this happened, yes, and you can say that you, as a director, were also born there in a sense, of course , i didn’t think then, then it was scary, there was real shooting, because armored personnel carriers were driving , announced that if not... in 45 minutes, in 30, in 10 minutes, we open fire, no one believed it, it’s all in the film.

and when ask, i was more focused on the novel on the chronicle, because we came when ask, part of ask is what explain to ours this is vastankin’s technical center. opposite the main building, that’s where the cars crashed, we didn’t see it with our own eyes, so i could only rely on the eyewitnesses’ chronicle of roman seryozhin, but we tried to do everything right, exactly as it happened there, and when the first shots were fired , tracing up and then went

down, we fell, crawled there, that means on the ground, then changed... forever, but how did it happen that you read sharguno’s novel, and seryozha and i are friends, we met for 20 years in saratov at the trial of eduard limonov, we are friends and we communicate, and seryozha gave me this book 10 years ago, well, when it came out, when it came out, the twentieth anniversary of the events, here i am, not even 10 years have passed, yes, i read it, i always knew that this was my topic, ninety-third then your geographer just came out, yes, the geographer just came out, yes, i looked, i think how still, sasha makes a great film, if only he were such a director, the film was shot based on the novel by sergei shargunov, and why based on it, after all, cinema and literature are absolutely different things, yes, of course, i consider literature, in the first place, and cinema is based on literature, even if it is original, but the script is still written, i just

... have to let everything pass through myself, which means my fantasy begins to play out, especially since here i am a participant in the events, so i already did it there, i don’t remember, four or five film adaptations, starting with pietsukha, with the first short film limnov, then limnov, then ivanov, then prilepin, the monastery series, and yes, this is the fifth adaptation, it turns out that i have no contact with anyone. i immediately warned what i would do based on the motive, and there was never an objection from anyone, everyone, all the writers, told me about the same thing, that the book is already good, if you make a bad film, your problems, make a good one, it’s just us plus the writers, so i think in this sense, i’m very pleased with the film and i immediately understood that

it will be a separate independent world, but it will be all the more interesting... to observe those rap points that are in the novel and see, as it were , some kind of parallel life of their heroes, or see the film embodiment of certain moves, for example, when on the opposite barricades they sing, and how the camera goes into the sky and moves from tverskaya street to ostankino pond, and so you came up with it, wrote it, now you see it embodied on the screen, by the way, the episode is very important, in principle, this is what brings together, and this rapprochement is not what’s happening, it seems to me, in something important we coincide, because the thought and books and films, how scary is dehumanization, how scary when a split occurs in people, especially in those closest to them, and this is not made up, we know thousands of such families, then and now, this is absolutely an archetypal story, the heroes are not some kind of activists, these are ordinary people, just rough reality?

so read a separate book, watch a movie, compare in favor of one or the other, but seryozha and i seem to be happy with each other, right? i must say that i have something like this it turned out, i was sitting when i watched this film next to pavel bosinsky and i kept asking usinsky, pasha, and this was in the book, and this was because i must admit, i had not read the book at that time, i’m guilty of you that i read this book after i. this film, because i suddenly became wildly interested in what is in the film, what is in the book, when i read the book, i realized that it is, of course, very different, very different, and it’s interesting, yes, it’s interesting how here you were working with this literary material, yes, it’s interesting how such an epic canvas develops in this novel, such a saga , truly a family one, but still, returning to basinsky, there have already been a lot of reviews of the film, mostly positive, one might say, in general it seems to me that this is

great luck. with which we can sincerely congratulate you the entire film crew, but nevertheless, the question hovers: after all, for the whites or for the reds, it seems to me, uh, that while we ask ourselves this... the question, will we live, not very ok, here you are, ex teacher of marxism-leninism, are you for the reds or for the whites, i am for private property, and so am i, but i doubt it, i want to figure it out, because i am for justice, i am for the people, we will ask this question, apparently always to each other, meaning that white and red are completely different, not necessarily these colors, bolsheviks there and liberals there, nothing like that, yes, but as long as we ask this question, we will not achieve happiness, happiness cannot be achieved, only a madman is happy, but is it possible then draw from this the conclusion that such a super idea

the ultimate goal of your film is for people to stop asking this question, so that they ask some other questions, there is only one alternative, in my opinion , this is mercy, it is very banal and simple, this is mercy, compassion, empathy for what they now say, humanity, humanity, you girl, you know, when they ask me who i am for, i am for the killed, yes, so i want them not to be forgotten, but i like the fact that alexander resurrected, left two guys alive, they really were lovers, uh, poetess, bart, natasha petukhova, her fiance, alexey shumsky, a young engineer, they died under bullets, i want at least a symbolic monument to those killed, in fact we need a real one, this is our common tragedy, when they ask who you are for, and why can’t you be for the peaceful coexistence of different forces, why

there could be no competition between different ideas and people, rivalry within the framework of the law of the revolution of power, this is said by sergei shargunov, who is now in his 40s, i thought the same thing then, when we went to these barricades there was already an idea that of course i was going, i was going against that, violated the constitution, and not after all, i’m more for the white house, it turns out, well, i, i was against breaking the law , i was in favor of preserving civilized competition between the parties, i was in favor of simultaneous re-elections taking place in 1993, that’s what i’m for, too then it was clear to a thirteen-year-old, so you said that your worldview changed after these events, what did you mean, well, i’m just like a character, i did this. victor and the main character, i also once posted leaflets with yeltsin, for yeltsin, yes, that is, in the ninety-first year, in ninety-one, yes, naturally, we all longed for this, i was luckier than

our hero, because in ninety -three i entered a higher course and simply changed my life just there by 180°, yes, well, here we imagine a person who longs for a new life, democracy, freedom of speech, everything, everything, everything, all this seems to come, at the same time they kill the ground from under your feet and say, now live as you want, and the person is not ready, and there were a lot of them a lot, but they were deceived, the reforms were carried out, apparently wrong, no one cares about the people i thought he was talking in a taxi, no one had an explanation with people , and no one needs red and white people, of course, the drama is in total intolerance, in the unwillingness to take into account... a person, and many believe that this is some kind of historical curse , that all this has very deep, strong roots in history, i believe that there was a very serious chance then, the chance of a difficult but compromise, and i believe

that in 1993 there was the most severe trauma for subsequent times, believe me, i still had many questions regarding a significant part of those who were on the outside - defenders of the white house, but i believe in diversity. i am against defamation and mythologization, in fact it is scary when both sides look at each other through the lens, everything was split, not only families there, but the country was actually split in half, and to get out of this through blood, well, in general, in a sense, we are still in such a semantic postscript that the quiet events of the raskovs have not ended, the split continues, unfortunately, those events about what is the right of the strong, and this was in general - the destruction of what was given by perestroika, because people no longer believed in politicians, in general in their civic capabilities , or were interested in what was happening, they realized that they were not able to influence anything, in this sense, after we lay under

bullets, and i understood that the tanks will pass in any way, you can’t create an idol for yourself, this is still a commandment, that’s right, i remember, i lived nearby , they call, glass and they are from the commandment, it all resonated with pain, i must say that my dad is a priest, and we let's go in a few days he served... he was a pony, i saw these endless traces of bullets, everything was torn apart, a sobbing mother, i later met many parents, in general, it all became such a personal story, in our house there were even barricades that smelled like fires, hid of course, it was right to explain what kind of idiot wrote this letter in the first place, and what a cool, cool kostya ketch, they could actually go to prison, because they imprisoned pop musicians, if roman kostomarov had not been a famous legendary

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dreams , the largest database of advertisements domclick real estate service is number one in terms of the number of advertisements for the sale of apartments. this is a podcast life of wonderful people, i am its leading writer alexey varlamov, my guests are director alexander veledinsky and writer sergei shargunov. we are talking about the film 1993. i must say, i remember my feelings from that time, if you compare the ninety-first and ninety-third, yes, these are two key points in russian history, in the ninety- first i was such an active citizen, because i i was, of course, against the state committee for the communist party of ukraine, of course, i was for yeltsin. of course, there, in '93, to be honest, i had such fatigue from everything, such a lack of faith, i didn’t like either of them, i didn’t like the others, i didn’t understand at all what they were doing there, i had to survive, there’s a family there, a pregnant wife, but then i’m in the story of birth i described all this, it was just at that time that everything was happening, so when i watched your

film now, he said, i really liked it, i really liked how the era was recreated there, i liked the interior, the details, the dialogues , electric trains, this is all very cool, but nevertheless, i caught myself the feeling that i was watching a film that did not quite coincide with my memories of that time, because i was busy with myself, i have the feeling that many people in russia, that is, there was some kind of bunch of passionaries on one side on the other side, which was some kind of showdown between them, and a huge country, now it no longer believed either one or the other, a huge country, that’s my feeling, so alexey, that’s what you’re talking about now... in a good way contradict yourself because you just said that you lived literally like our character, it’s just that she pulled me into this funnel, pulled me in, but i didn’t even have the thought of going there, because that’s what i’m going to do there, i need to earn money, she pulled some people in, some didn’t , as zenshtein said , what a playwright is, he is like

an enraged traffic controller, if the traffic controller must separate everyone at an intersection so that everyone leaves, the playwright must push everyone off. yes, it is clear that both sergei in roman and i in the film, when i wrote the script, there were four versions of the script, we created a situation around the hero in order to bring him to these barricades, the death of a friend, and so on, it must be said that usually only a few percent of the population participates in dramatic events associated with upheavals, in fact always, and even in the events of the ninety-first year, the majority ordinary people did not participate, people lived their lives, of course. of course, he says, i want , he told his wife at the beginning of the film, he says, the task is to survive in the new paradigm, but at the same time i imagine, i imagine you, alexey, at the white house, on tverskoy, if the circumstances had turned out a little differently, there was just a certain

intellectual company there, conversations, i listened, read, i could have ended up, completely, i see you there, i remember, i later became very friendly with a wonderful writer. bordin, whom i really love very much, i think that this is one of the most outstanding russian writers of recent times, and we were just talking about the events of the ninety -third year, yes, borodin, he is a political prisoner of the brezhnev, andropov times, who was imprisoned there for his activity and he told me he said that all my friends were there at the white house, but they had red banners, i couldn’t go under the red banners, this is a contradiction, he was there too, the fact is that they were walking there, but he told me, that he was transporting food there. constant orthodox religious processions with icons of the new martyrs, there was a huge monarchical part, in general the supreme council itself was, by the way, non-communist, social democratic, but this is, so to speak, a political analysis.