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this is wonderful, do you think, like andrey, that yesenin, after all , pushed these poems away from himself, or is the image of shackling a natural evolutionary thing for him? yes, i think that this is the path of development, and if we say that this is a little like tyutchev’s poetry, every person, at the very beginning of his path, imitates the master, the mentor, he... but at the same time some roots appear and therefore i think it’s even more interesting to see how it starts from nature and ends with moscow kabbath, it’s clear, well, i’m ready to argue with you here, because in what sense, no , he doesn’t learn from tyuchev, and he doesn’t teach tyuchev, he’s just completely different, no, i’m not byron, i’m different, because, well, fedor ivanovich , of course, a native of bryansk, and also flesh and blood of the russian province, but still
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, noble culture, and yesenin we just saw, yes, he’s just flesh of these places, tyuchev comes from schelling and philosophy, he communicated with the great philosopher in munich, and yesenin saved the sklepikov school, after all, schelling did not have, thank god, in interlocutors, well, here i am ready to discuss with you, education. was still comprehensive and sergei alexandrovich had access to all the literature of that time; in the chest that he went from konstantinov to moscow he already had gogol, pushkin, his favorite authors, and lermontov, of course, he experienced and deep influences and many of his poems in the first collections, especially the inscription
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, well, well, you already mentioned the imagists, this is such a foreign word - image or image, this is an image, well, this is such a group of poets, not so there were a lot of them that already, well, mostly came into force in soviet times, although they all started earlier, this is shishinevich, this is borengov, kusikov, kusikov, yes, yesenin, yesenin, of course, well, of these four names not even you have to guess, yeah. who remains in the history of poetry? yes, the guys frolicked, of course, as best they could, they renamed the streets after their names , they hung a sign on the pushkin monument, saying that pushkin is with them, that is, pushkin is with us, so, but, i think that after all this is the current from which yesenin came out, not the one that entered and came out, yes, it is, now.
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of course, it is very interesting how such a unique monument to the study of the history and culture of moscow exists, although there are, of course, significant scientific works that, and biographies that put these writers, if not in the first rank of russian poetry, then as a rule they are all in plain sight , well, here is a photo that you can comment on, in such beauty, and i must say, they look wonderful here, but the time was so scary, it was still the period of the civil war, it was quite a hungry time, these people, maybe you can’t say that, yes or it’s panache, they were very friendly, they treated each other well, it’s just a pity that the beautiful story of friendship, it was somewhat spoiled, but this period
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, of course, was one of the most beautiful touching and in general in yesenin’s life, well, it’s clear that this period is important, it seems especially important to me that they went on tour, can you imagine tyuchev on tour there, for example, or well, lermontov is not allowed, it’s just early, well, it’s quite easy, after all they lived by their literary work, and of course they traveled at this important moment, they are professionals, like now... they dreamed of their own publishing house, they practically succeeded, but they traveled a very wide range of trips, especially for vesenin, yes, this is central asia, and crimea, here is st. petersburg, transcaucasia, and persia , yes, all this is clear, creative trips from
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which he brought pukachev from the orenburg region, from persian motifs from azerbaijan , bissite motifs, this is a cycle. well, it’s like a largely mythologized topic, that ’s the name of the play by yeseninan’s woman, well this is not too emphasized, well, many women loved me in different forms, this idea is repeated in the poems themselves, yes, sergei yesenin himself emphasizes this, but still, what is sincere here. truthful, tragic, and what could be so superficial here, or not? i think that this is primarily a question for the interlocutor, and not for a father of many children, a father of many children, okay, well, well , there are several wives, there are several companions, yes, well, this is how you feel about this, as if
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from inside the performance, which is so named, woman and senina, uh, what did you say, andrey in this regard, women... in his destiny - occupied such a place of support, that is, women are support - this is an attempt to defend for life, because every woman tried to help him with something, yeah, and from each he doesn’t care ran, so we came up with a concept that yesenin is preparing a performance, yes, that yesenin is the sun, and a woman approaches him to warm herself in its rays, well, as soon as... as soon as she gets closer, she will burn, so at some point he must break off these, how do you feel about these metaphors, i think that i probably agree, because women really played such a special, decisive role in the fate of our
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great russian poet, so we can say that he was still married several times, not officially, to quite a few, well, not officially, it seems, officially, sofia is fat yesenina, there were a lot of women who played, it’s also very important, we can look at this photo, this is sidora duncan, of course, and irma, her daughter, and there were also miklashevskaya, the byliya ivanovna kashina, who is associated with creativity, yes, here's another beautiful one. we we can also name another 10-15 people from this circle, of course, who determined some kind of decisive role, sergei aleksandrovich yesenin, well, continuing
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andrei’s thought, i think that after all, after all, sergei aleksandrovich yesenin in his own way by nature he was a rather cold person in relationships, and this... not cold, disappointingly cold in relationships, of course, well , it seems to me that as soon as love burned out, he could write poetry, in order to write he needed to experience something, love, creativity seems to provoke, yes, pushkin, well pushkin says differently, pushkin says: love has passed, the muse has appeared, that is, too much. from within love , you need to distance yourself a little, so says the harmonious, well-balanced pushkin yesenin, who is so tormented and spontaneous in his work, not in life, after all, it’s not like that, right?
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if we base our conclusions on some love vicissitudes of sergei aleksandrovich yesenin, and here, of course, he was definitely a favorite , there is no point in arguing about the female gender, but if we pay attention to some encyclopedic data, we are highbrow scientists have deduced quite clearly, almost every day of his existence, after the sixteenth or seventeenth year, then we can conclude that, of course, he was quite definite in his relationships with women, and of course , everything was not so easy. well, i think that this dispute - well, we can’t finally resolve it, but if we try to resolve it, then maybe in verses, maybe inside the poem we will not hear our reasoning, well, sort of, uh, coming after the fact and
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coming from the outside, so from the inside, maybe andrey, you read yesenin to us. i was left with... fun, fingers in mouth and a cheerful whistle, rolled around. it’s a bad name that i’m a brawler, a brawler, oh, what a funny loss, there are a lot of funny losses in life , i’m ashamed that i believed in god, i’m sad that i don’t believe now, golden distant distances, everything burns, a child’s death, i was raunchy
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, scandalized, in order to burn brighter, the poet’s gift to caress and scribble, the fatal stamp on it, a white rose with a black toad, i wanted to marry on earth, even if they didn’t succeed, even if they didn’t come true, these thoughts of pink days, but demons nested in my soul, which means angels lived in it, and for this joy of darkness, going with her to another land, i want, at the last minute, to ask those who will be with me, so that for all my serious sins, for disbelief in grace, they put me in a russian shirt under the icons.
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the process of preparation for the play by the woman yesenin. work on it, but served as either a counting rhyme, or a spell, or a prayer, but i know, i just heard that there is such an attempt to collect the text from different lines, different poems by yeseninan, let’s listen, i don’t regret it, i don’t i call, i don’t cry, once at that gate, i was 16 years old, i am a citizen of the village, which will only be famous for the fact that the low house stoops without me, we all loved during these years, which means they loved us? goy, rus', my dear, me
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a mischievous moscow reveler, a red-maned colt galloping, i know that makes me want to run after the komsomol, lifting up my pants, that’s all. now it’s decided without return, goodbye, my friend, goodbye, you’re still alive, my old lady, i’m still alive, greetings from you, hello, you can have different attitudes towards the genre, but it seems to me that this is really an interesting attempt, it’s very corresponds to what was our topic today. conversation, and the topic of our conversation was the eternal posthumous fate of sergei sanovich yesinin, who, like any a major poet, a brilliant poet, is just beginning his journey, when his earthly journey ends, these days
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we understand with a special feeling how close yesienie is to us, how modern he is, how strong he is, how energetic he is despite all the tragedy, oh of course, we didn’t talk about many things, we didn’t talk, for example, about yesenin’s travels, sergei yesenin’s travels, well , they were of such an educational nature, we know that he was a lot in the east, the eastern ones, his routes, they gave him a lot, yes, who is this step , maybe you tell us, shagon, that i’m from the north, or something, well, everyone knows that, but what? behind this, indeed, sergei aleksandrovich yesenin loved to travel, and he visited baku several times , they loved him very much there, and he collaborated with the local press, with the baku workers newspaper, of course, he strove to iran, to persia in the first place , but they arranged for him such a unique persia in the area in the suburbs of baku, in mordokekh, he
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was settled in a wonderful place, this did not contradict in any way... because you are from the north, that or, i’m ready to show you the field and the high face of the moon, you are my shagan, nevertheless, my shagan will also, the result was such a persian, a cycle of persian motifs, which was republished several times, yeah, well, that is, this is such a wonderful synthesis , north and south and east west, yes, because yesenin... western dandy, especially in those years when he was together with sidora dunk, the strange thing is that during a trip abroad, sidora dunk's long journey, he practically there wasn’t, its such an extraordinary scale
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this nature, not only nature, it’s probably in general this, probably everything in everything that was woven around yesenin during this period, these were meetings in immigration with his friends, with his opponents, trips to numerous... europe , from which, of course, he received such a definite impression, a trip overseas, where he had an extremely negative attitude towards what he saw and wrote, at another time absolutely sincerely, that is, it was unproductive, that is, the west and america in was less productive than the east, than the east and than his native country, well, his native country is not discussed at all, but there is no such poet who did not depend. no, but if you choose between the west and the east, an interesting thought, it never occurred to me that yesenin, of course,
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is a european, american traveler, but there are much fewer visible creative results than trips to the east, this is an important story, we are striving for our conversations, not to repeat what everyone knows, to still find some... new twists, well , that’s why it’s interesting to be together with those whoever is having a conversation on a literary podcast, let them not talk, let them read. hello, this podcast is a must -read, i’m glayna batnikova, my guest today is the writer and poet alexander pelevin and film actor daniil muravyov. we will discuss mark twain and his two novels - the adventures of tom sawyer and the adventures
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of hucklebury fin. sasha, please tell me, tom sawyer and hekel berifin are very different things, it’s even hard to believe that this was written by the same writer. these are completely different books, but i just remember my childhood impression of them, yes, of that. how different they are from each other and even contradict each other in some ways, because when i was again, i read these books in the fifth, i think, or sixth grade, i don’t remember, honestly, i thought naively, yes i, in my naivety, thought that the adventure of gekkelefinn was a continuation of the story of tom sawyer, exactly the same, that is, like thomas sawyer there , ha ha, boy, i’ll spit on the boy, they were all given bream and then they went to their parents and everything is fine, you open it. fina, decay, darkness, poverty, crime, pain, murder, violence, slavery, listen, well, there is also murder in tom sawer, here’s dani, just describe
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to tom sawer, that’s what’s going on there, how did you even see all this when you re-read me personally, the book thomas ora is just about the model of childhood, exactly what it is and why you need to take life more simply, and the people around you, how valuable they are, how easy it is... to lose them and the main character tom sawyer reminded me a lot, a mixture of the character from dirk, peter blood, the chronicles of peter blood, only older, roughly speaking, so i like the character himself because he’s very kind of like he’s all overweight, that he can even look like he’s a very smart person at some points, and he may be incomprehensible to someone, that is, it’s just a boy, for some, but for others it will be a genius, i can say this. why do they invent interesting adventures, but tomsuer is the absolute archetype of a trickster, that is, he deceives everyone, he jokes with everyone, he is such a fool who is always knocked down
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on his head, even himself in certain scenes, but in the end, something either has some kind of benefit from this, or he just laughs at everything, well, tom sawyer is a scoundrel, but at the same time we understand that he is in these adventures of his, he reaches a very serious point, that is, there are stories about how he got lost in a cave, a little. from hunger with the girl, that is, he holds responsibility for this girl, he witnesses a murder, that is, we see that on the one hand it’s all, well, jokes, humor, cheerful laughter, yes, on the other hand we we understand that he very often finds himself on the verge of life and death, he feels quite confident in this situ story, sorry for interrupting, the story is that any joker can always make a joke, it’s like the character in the film said, take the burden with you so as not to fall when walking, something like this, it’s clear. that is, tom sawyer, he is still a boy from a good family, in general everything is fine with him, he is an orphan, he lives with his aunt, but nevertheless, it is clear that this is a good family, he
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reads books, he is wonderfully brought up , he lives in love, and he, one might say, from excess vitality comes up with all these troubles, yes, and hekel berifin is a tramp, a man who doesn’t really have a family, has a father a drunkard who hates him shouts, what are you young, learned to read books, now what do you think, smarter than me you will, yes, yes, i didn’t read your mother, i didn’t count, i remembered, in fact, that khamengui also said that all american literature grew out of hekelfin, in this he is absolutely right, and the same hamingway wrote that hekelfin is needed read to the point where negro jim is stolen from ggek, according to khamengue, this is where the real end is, everything else is a complete scam, it seems to me that in some ways he is right, because the book is very perishable and gloomy, this is where it could have ended, well
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, it seems to me that it is very relevant. he was locked in a house or some hut, he can’t go to school there, well, in general, this is not life, he runs away from his father imitating his murder, and he chops up some pig there, i must say, he’s a guy so strong, he always comes up with very practical ways to get out of the situation and then he finds this runaway black man jim is on some island and together they are already traveling along the river, but about, about the imitation of a murder, it’s also very interesting, because just a couple of hours ago i found the most obvious parallels between heckelbrefin and the film dead man by jim jarmusch, by the way, it’s interesting, you i haven’t seen the film jarmuschwetz, be sure to watch it, it’s absolutely great , be sure to watch it, because that’s the point, too, that if you re-read this book
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from the position that huck didn’t actually fake his death, but actually died, this it turns out to be a dead man's journey and not just a dead man's journey, a dead man's journey in a boat along the river, charon together with his guide, the black man jim, who, by the way , knows how to speak with spirits, but dujim tells fortunes on this hair ball, as if he communicates with spirits, this is absolutely the history of mysticism, here by the way, but you can also buy dante’s divine comedy, just virgil’s daniel, once he reads dante and when i asked tom sawyer to read, i, in general, was told before me dante is already reading, and you come to him with a children’s book, here’s tom sawyer, i looked at him differently, from a position as if already inside this book, and it was interesting for me to observe how from a simple situation one can derive some kind of super morality , beyond any emotions and so on, there is a wonderful film about it, it’s called life is beautiful, and the director
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is also in charge there. this is very well shown in the scene with the cave, that’s why becky has already lost hope, that she’s still lying there like that, crying, she's already going to die, everything is normal behavior for a girl, in general yes, but then he acted exactly as many people would not have acted, that is, he, from a very, very gloomy situation, he did not lose hope and gave this on... others, this is an indicator of enormous strength, this is an indicator of enormous strength within himself, by the way, it’s interesting there, he ties some kind of string there, scrapes along this string, walks in the dark, when the candles have run out, to understand where it is further down the road, i mean that this is not just a dreamer boy who - i read about adventures from books, he can also practically find some way out in a difficult situation, this of course makes him similar
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, as they say, you can’t make life work like that, you sneak around, no, listen, believe me, many people in a critical situation simply fall into catatonia and doesn’t know what to do, and tom, he takes responsibility for the girl, by the way, let’s talk about girls, i read thomas soyer as a child, also hekel berifin, uh, i was more interested then and now, probably hekel berifin because i was interested precisely the practical part of his adventures, but at the same time, only tom sawyer has relationships with girls, and for me , perhaps the most interesting thing in childhood was to read about relationships with girls, that is, tom is such a ladies' man in general, one might say yes, he has the theme of girls, it’s covered, he has different girlfriends, he somehow moves from one to another, he has some of his own methods of seduction, daniil, please tell me how you saw tom’s relationship with girls in general , i’ll say not only about becky, i’ll say in general about the fact that
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tom sawyer is... a character who knows how to love and he learns to give love to others, that is, he receives love, he loves to receive, but he also learns to give this thing, this is the type of character when you... just that's what you are -you do something, and then you sit and think, damn, why did i do this, why, how where, and so on, quite typical, yes, quite so, so the line slips with many guys who are just trying to somehow- then with relationships, well, he can just pretend that he’s not someone there notices that this is often a topic, he has a story there, that this is beiki, she was offended by him, because she found out that there is some other girl in his life, then after... a while she starts taking some steps to do reconciliation, but tom pretends that he doesn’t notice her, starts walking with some other girl, yes, that is, he is engaged in the fact that he will make her jealous, yes, well, in general, he stirs up her interests ,
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manipulation, which, that is, these manipulations about the reality were not invented by the current izumers, but by psychologists and so on, that’s how since he is a hero of our time, yes, that is , well, let’s even start with how he tries to attract the girl’s attention, that is, he stands on his head in front of her. and there he tries to throw all sorts of blades of grass, throw pieces of stones, i don’t know, make all sorts of things out of who knows what, and well, this is also very typical, we like to show off properly, well, he successfully shows off, that is, becky is in love, everything works out for him, he did everything right, and he’s also open, so they sit, sit and he immediately says, i love you, that’s it, that too, direct, persistent, he even manages to kiss a girl, which personally impressed me as a child, so i would say that this is very confident behavior, okay, daniil, you have, maybe friends who behave this way, honestly, i’ve met such, yes, everything is correct
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hekel berifin in the story about thomas oher, then we see thomas oher in the story about hekelfin, they look very different, because when huck appears in the story about tom, we we understand that huck, well, let’s say, is such a partner, buddy, yes, adventure buddy, he helps, that’s right, he’s the leader, and in the second story, where the adventure of heckelfin, who gladly fits into the adventure that huck offers him, that is, to free the runaway black man who is sitting in a shack, yes they both boys are not pretending to be who they are, they are deceiving some aunt, a beautiful woman, this is also tom’s aunt, but they pretend that heckelberin is tom, but that he is a sith, a cousin, that is, they somehow they play it out, the women believe, and tom starts kissing
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a series, that is, of these adventures of his, which he read in books, he begins to imitate, he makes this black man drag some kind of millstone, that is, so that he would pretend to be a prisoner, write some letters, the black man does not know how to write, but tom writes for him, you must endure it, tom writes some kind of anonymous letter, come - with farmers with guns to wait for the attack that was onons, here, they will see what is happening there, that is, there are complete rats of spiders and there they we drove some animals there izme this is absolutely brilliant yes to me this episode, these last chapters, people think that this black man has gone crazy, they say he’s crazy, what he did there , he wrote something on his shirt in blood, and that’s all, but the most interesting thing is that huck, realizing that it’s completely non-functional, it doesn’t make any sense , that you can just unhook this one from the bed and let it go, but there was a very cool episode where they say, listen, there is a very heavy stone, help us carry it,
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jim just takes it, lifts the bed, wraps his chain around his neck, and runs away , takes a stone again this one will captivate himself, this also happened, everyone listens to tom, which is interesting, both this black man and he himself, heck, yes, they all listen to tom unquestioningly, but it doesn’t make any sense, in general this whole story, especially , that in the end it turns out that the black man is free, and tom knew about it, because his mistress, the black man , wrote him a tax... a letter of emancipation and in the will, that is, they just had fun for the sake of fun, yeah, mostly fun tom, to be honest, of these two books i liked tom sawyer better, why? here it talks about eloquence, love, and about the freedom of your own spirit, in heckelbert it talks about the freedom of your body, that you can be anywhere, whenever you want, about love for your loved ones, loneliness, how easy it is for them. lose and about to some extent a friend.
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