[000:00:00;00] to convey it, jim just takes it, lifts the bed, wraps his chain around his neck, runs away, takes the stone again, this captivates himself, it was also everyone obeying tom, what ’s interesting, both this negro, and the huck himself, yes, they all listen without question tom, but this doesn’t make any sense, in general, this whole story, especially since in the end it turns out that the negro is free, and tom knew about it, because his mistress, the negro, wrote him, so to speak, a liberation letter a charter, and in a will. they were just having fun fun, yeah, mostly the volume, honestly, of these two books i liked the volume more, why? here it talks about eloquence, love, and about the freedom of your own spirit, in heckelber it talks about freedom, namely your bodily, that you can be anywhere, whenever you want, about love for your loved ones, loneliness, how easy it is

to lose them and about to some extent. how important she is, too, and the people around you, how important they are to you, and honestly, at the moment, tom sawyer is closer to me, so exactly his story, but in the book about huckleberry, tom at one point began to irritate me, well, at this moment , which we are discussing, when he began to torment people with his fantasies, why and of course, this is great, this is fun, there he is trying to turn into game, but here there is a question, as they say about life and death, here, well, tom trickter, believes. torments people with her fantasies, tell me a minus, but it’s interesting that in heckelberefin, after all, her friendship is with a black man, and a black man at that time, i remind you that we are talking about the mid-century period in america, where there was slavery, and the negro was not considered a person, that is, even to the point where there is a conversation with some kind of this

aunt, which huck fills in, that he... got into some kind of accident on a steamboat, he he says, the cylinder head exploded, she says, well, i hope no one died, he says, well, only one black man died, she says, well, well, none of the people were hurt, and even this internal monologue of gekko after that, how jim was stolen from him, stolen from him, again i emphasize, yes, where is he he himself is tormented by his conscience, i did something bad, stealing a black man from her mistress, but this one is so good, we need to help him, but i did something bad, but i need help, he is really tormented by his conscience, trying to somehow get out of that paradox for him, that a black man for him is a thing, yes, that is, yes, and he suddenly, before his eyes, ceases to be a thing, he becomes a person, in this regard, i find it very funny that in recent decades they have begun to make claims against this book for the notorious n-word, calling the book russian, daniel does not say the n-word, daniel, can you explain this somehow, i didn’t

live at that time. but i understand why everything happened there like that, because to some extent it was under the influence of some kind of religion and similar things, it’s just that society does this, let’s look at these horrors, slavery, here, by the way, is another fifteen-year-old captain, there is a book, just about this topic, but i can say this, in our time, at least my exact generation, we calmly communicate without any vices, any boundaries, with other people, i have there are no prejudices towards people of a different nationality or a different race, for example, that is, i communicate with a person and see him as a person, no matter who he is, but this is the problem of heckelberin, what sasha is talking about , that it shows a moral problem, because on the one hand he understands that he loves this black man , but he is friends with him, he is his comrade, he cannot give him away, there at some point he says that my father is on raft, he is sick with smallpox so that no one gets close to

the raft where jim is hiding, but at the same time he mark twain was then very much criticized for this book by the generally traditional american society, which was the southern slave owners , who were accustomed to this order of things, who, like a black man, that they attacked mark twain strongly for this, because how dare you say that , now mark twain is being attacked for using this word, well, you feel the difference, well, it’s clear. but here it goes like this: a person showed the truth and he is condemned for it, everything is so, it was the same, let’s say with scientists, but they just changed the opinion of people and the worldview of people, let’s say, is correct for how it really is, but no one wanted to accept it, but let’s say this is how the telescope was invented, comrade galileo, they didn’t accept him, they told him to give up his words that he uttered about worldviews and the model of the universe, but mark twain was friends with nikola tesla, who

was also absolutely, how right he turned out to be, how much he is valued now. in the scientific community and so on, but nevertheless, we know this man, and he is known throughout the world, he printed on, in my opinion, serbian banknotes, the man simply sold out society, that is, he stopped convincing himself that he is different, that his views are not the same as others, so he stands out from the crowd in the case of tesla, and that’s exactly what happened made by the main american writers, starting from mark twain, hammingway, jack london, jack london from the language of sarval, they were all a little outsiders in. society, they sympathized with the socialists, for which they were ridiculed by their society and so on, but were popularized in the soviet union, by the way, by the way, it was exactly the other way around, in the soviet union , there were also writers who were quietly exiled to siberia, if they

didn’t like something there, then that ’s all they wrote, well, okay, here’s jack london, he went for gold mines, mark twain also worked in gold mines, he worked in shipping, that is, he gave up altogether. to school, because the family was very poor and apparently it was hard for him, from the age of 12 he worked, he knew what he was writing about, yes, he knew what he was writing about, and we feel it, that is, in this heckelbert, i i understand that every detail is there, there he flooded the shuttle with stones a little lower in the current in order to find it later, he caught some kind of loaf of bread there, which is looking for a dead person, yes, well, that is, there is a lot of practical knowledge that you can’t imagine, there the book looks very realistic, by the way, in this regard, mark twain is quite, especially in this book, he is quite an american maxim gorky, especially because, firstly, his significance for american

literature is comparable to the significance of maxim gorikov for our literature is absolutely the same value, but interestingly, maxim gorky, he went to see mark twain, that is , after all, probably in the soviet union mark twain was greatly indulged, but his work yes, since he is for freedom, equality of brotherhood in their works. maxim gorky went to america in 1906, as the newspapers wrote then, to get money for the russian revolution, it was generally a very sad story, because at first in america they accepted him as a revolutionary hero from russia, the oppressed man came to us to promote the idea of ​​the russian revolution, and then the american media gave him wild persecution, they defamed his personal life, shouted that we don’t need him, and so on. well, that is , large american media moguls saw in gorky, as supporters of socialism, precisely a threat to their values. mark twain also noticed this, mark twain valued gorky very much, gorky also valued him very much. by the way, i also liked maxim gorky’s childhood and

they also have all sorts of adventures there they came up with, a dagger, the childhood of maxim gorkov, just here , too, there were dangers that were on the verge of a game, let's just say, she even has the same ears, it seems to me that children now... are still not so savvy, let’s just say, yes , they don’t, don’t understand how to catch fish and fry them for dinner, but here it is, yes, it depends on the place, on upbringing and on the time, by the way , there is also such a stereotype that all modern children they don’t get out of the house, that well, no one is playing in the yard now, but i will say from myself, that at least in my area , where i live, where i was born, this does not exist, now everyone knows each other, everyone plays with each other calmly live, in the online world. and the like, i also constantly see children playing in the yard, it’s a myth that all the children now just sit on gadgets and do nothing, in fact they are quite jumping around the yards, digging in sandboxes, maybe throwing each other around stones and so on, yes , if they are on the phone, then usually with friends

to visit somewhere there yes, yes, yes this is a podcast a must-read, aglaina batnikova is with you, my guest is the writer and poet alexander pelevin and film actor daniil muravyov, we are discussing volumes. soera and hekel berifina, two of mark twain's most famous novels. but it’s interesting that mark twain, when he began to write thomas oera, it was in the seventies , in the seventy-sixth year, in my opinion, he published thomas oera, he first wrote it as an adult book, that is, a book for adults, and then his friends told him that you turn out to be a children's writer, yes, my friend children's writer, sash, do you think there is some peculiarity in the perception of mark twain that makes him a children's writer, because it seems to me that even a prince. yes, he also has a novel, they are still probably perceived as something for young people, of course, of course - an absolutely children's book, in my opinion, because it is not written in the first person, but at the same time, yes, but at the same time through the prism of a child’s perception,

and hekel on the contrary, it is written in the first person, very modern, in the first person, this looks very, well, this is an auto-fiction, absolutely, absolutely, and so powerful, on the contrary, it is written in the first person, but through the very adult moral torment of this hekel berifin, when we understand that what he is doing is absolutely christianity, and this is true, and this is from the point of view of some kind of morality in general, the only true way is that he does not give friends, there he treats the black man as a person, if he deceives, then there is always a reason for this, uh, that is, he does not he does it just like that, but at the same time he he thinks to himself that he is a great sinner, that he commits crimes, that he is... a lost man, this is very cool, by the way, and

also, yes, he also believes that he cannot be a leader and cannot adequately - to come up with, that is, there were moments where the book says that tom sawyer would see me now, and it seems to me that i’m worse than tom sawyer and so on, here in the episode where just like that, and more there was a moment where they were freeing jim, and he said, he came up with some kind of plan, he he said that, well, i’ll come up with some kind of plan now, but tomsoer will definitely come up with something better. sets out and receives approval from tom sawyer, and there was even a line that he’s sitting there like this, oh , i didn’t expect it, it’s very funny that when tom sawyer starts helping him in freeing jim, huck stops respecting him, he says: here i used to respect tom sawyer, i thought he was such a decent person, educated from a good family, and he helps me steal a black man, i stopped respecting him, and i remembered this parallel with jack london, in the novel

martin eden, the hero, he rents a room somewhere, he is perceived as , well, relatively speaking, a person of a higher class, the owner of this apartment, and at some point he begins to stroke and helps stroke her, she understands that he knows how to do this very well do, and he worked in the laundry, and when she saw this, she stopped being important to him, that is, i thought you were a gentleman, but it turns out that you are one of us, and in fact, this is a very funny detail, another person. i understand that they are on equal positions, it’s very funny, yes, that is, i thought that you so to speak, socially superior, but it turns out, brother, people change when they see who a person really is, this doesn’t seem entirely correct to me, that is, they look not at his inner world, not at his soul, but simply at his position, on his actions, on status, yes on status, but markven, it seems to me that he is a socialist, and this is especially felt when two appear in huckelfin. which depicts the king and the duke, they simply fall on the neck of this

jim and huck, who is traveling on a raft, and begin to drink blood from them, that is, they they begin to create hysteria that i am the duke, i need to serve food, and huck and jim reason like this, so that he calms down, this is not difficult for us, please, we will serve him during meals, call him your majesty and so on, but in at some point, huck, of course, immediately understands that they are scammers, but at some point jim also realizes this, he says, listen, but they are nothing. duke, they look like swindlers, even though he had a keen eye for 3 days, he noticed something, but jim, a conventional man, yes, it turns out that he is a rapist, and somehow he doesn’t particularly delve into it, what kind of social hierarchy do people have there, and he believes, at first, that this is the king and the duke, but then he shares his suspicions with huck, and huck answers him, believe me, the real king and duke, they are no different from

the real one, than this book is also beautiful because - through each page jim literally gradually turns from a thing into a person, the perception, again, of a huck and so on, that is, this is exactly the message of the book, i think, because well, for america at that time , it was a monstrous insult that the negro man, that you suddenly he, the book shows how a person who was previously read as a thing, reasons, thinks, shows some completely human things, emotions and so on, well, when tom was wounded in the leg, g could have run away, but he stayed so that the boy could be saved, this book was so essentially a slap in the face of american society that now it is probably in america now this book is banned, i don’t even know, because no, it’s not banned, there, but all sorts of words were rewritten there to a more politically correct one to i wonder what kind of african american they are? or something like that, i don’t know, i, i can hardly imagine how jim could

be called an african american, but by the way, this is very typical of this modern leftist agenda, the struggle with form, the struggle, firstly, rewriting, yes , absolutely superfluous, absolutely unnecessary, and secondly, the fight with the appearance of a fight with form and not content, we will fight with the word, and the fact, to the fact that this book is an absolute manifesto against racism, we will close our eyes, as it were and let's say you wanted fight racism, in the end you cross out words from books, these are slightly different levels, yes, in fact, it is completely anti-russian, i want to say that i found some interesting details in the life of slaves, for example, i realized that dreadlocks - it turns out, well, there’s one black man there who sees spirits, not jim, but another black man who brings him food, he ties his locks of hair with strings to ward off witches, that is, it turns out that dreadlocks are

protection from witches, now i i know this, by the way, in chinese mythology there is something similar, only they don’t use hair there, they insert... it’s ropes, but they simply weave a huge, roughly speaking, rope out of many, many ropes, and it also protects against spirits. both books, tom soer and hekel berifin, they are full of these superstitious signs, you can’t touch the skin of a rattlesnake, you have to spit over your shoulder, it ’s very funny, and it enriches, i would say, that is, the culture of another people, i really want to follow this light, i probably won’t touch the skin of a rattlesnake, where are you? you will find it. let's start with this and find, okay, sasha, maybe you want to add something , uh, you said that mark twain, and this is a typical american writer, one of the pillars of american literature, and how does american literature differ from russian literature? , i have my own opinion, but i wanted to listen to yours, american

literature in general, in my opinion, is more the literature of travel, yes, yes, this happens all the time, this is mark twain, the same jack london, and ambrose bierce, the greatest i consider it one of the greats, american literature is, as a rule , for the most part a journey through the dark side of oneself, this is constantly visible in hemmingway , in the great, in my opinion, lovecraft, this is also there, because lovecraft, i believe, is simply quintessential american literature, even if it so quite tabloid, yes, quite magazine-like, but i think that... i took into craft just everything from american literature, from this path through the dark sides of myself, huckelfin, this is also where i started and the conversation , it's a dark, gloomy journey with your a guide who listens to the spirits, from a person who may have died, that is, again huck, huck is dead, i think huck is dead,

this is the journey of a dead man, by the way, that’s exactly what he said in hekel take fina, american literature is very let slip. gogol, nikolai, dead soul, this is a very interesting comparison, unexpected, you won’t believe how much, when i read it, i really, i directly saw the parallels, just very strong, you mean chichikov, who travels through russia and sees different character, yes, that’s where it also talks about how a person travels, and initially, when i read dead souls, i initially thought that chichikov was the god of death, that’s our very own daniel, you see, young people. and even a character, let’s say, in the dead souls there is such a character, in finano’s gerel there is an episode where they killed the old man boxing, i, unfortunately, right now here i am, if you can just take there , just a sketch of an american town, this boxing kills some confident just

a man with a gun and some kind of guy running there girl, this confident man with a gun here reminds me very much of a bug. the line is poor, which by the way was also said in gekalb, here is maurice maurice jack, if i remember correctly from the headless horseman, that is, this is the strength of spirit, this is how he crowds, just one man against a big man, he says, among you are not a man, there is no leader among you, you are a crowd, but you do not have someone who accepts, i think strong, well, he is so very american, i would say, i would say that it's just culture. a manifesto such that anyone in american culture, everyone can shoot, yes, has the right to shoot anyone who enters his territory, this is a very important point, and why is huck such a cool guy, really cool, we understand that he firstly, he is a good person, secondly, he knows a lot, he knows how to live, he knows how to set priorities,

why does he listen to tom sawyer, this home boy, he is also an absolute leader, he immediately subordinates everyone to himself, why is this happening? it's very funny because geek who has told life, who knows all this, how it all works, how it all happens, is still led by this social trick, by the status of a volume, by the status of a person who, well, he’s kind of taller than me, he’s kind of smarter, probably, like yes , well, you need to listen to him, and respect him, respect, well, by the way, huck also reads some books, he may be in a completely delusional combination, but he throws himself at some of them. tom tells huck some things, what he says, and what is it, i think it’s a monologue or something else, and tom explains to him that

this is what these words mean, because huck is not well-read, and he doesn’t even know the alphabet , he can’t read anything, but in the second book, on the contrary, jim asks huck what these or those words mean, what these or those words mean other books, the writer did not notice, no, i would not, i would say that this is rather the evolution of huck, you can see here, because huck received - in the period from the first to the second book, he received education and education, this is vidava dougle drove him to school, yes, yes, yes, and this can be seen in the fact that huck is very capable of learning, and he learns very quickly, so it’s very cool that huck from an uneducated person, he, on the contrary , turns into a person who teaches uneducated people, oh, by the way, it’s not even a fact that - the author put this in the text, because last year, and a wonderful poet... dmitry vodennikov expressed the idea that it is from the writer’s mistakes that the true magic of the text is sometimes born, so

perhaps this is the case, class, this is a very cool observation, vodelnikov is a genius, i agree. okay guys, thank you thank you very much for the interesting conversation, this was a must-read podcast, i am agla and batnikov, my guests were the writer and poet alexander pelevin and film actor daniil muravyov. we discussed it, it was very interesting, we talked about tom soyrie and haeckel-berifin, the famous novels of mark twain, it was very interesting, thank you, mutually, it was great, it’s love itself.

deception and until the morning i will be drunk, whiskey drugs in the clouds, you are not mine, you are not mine, this is love, deception itself, and until the morning i will be drunk, whiskey drugs and the clouds, you are not mine, you are not mine, you are not mine, and i am not yours, our conversation, drunken pain, time has passed, you are cold, now i am with your hand, and you are busy, or maybe it will be better now, i picked up the keys, but did not open the door, and i it’s such a pity that you don’t shine for me, i’m dying that you’re not mine, it’s love.

oh, self-deception, and until the morning i will be drunk, all the drugs in the clouds, you are not mine, you are not mine, this is love, self-deception, and until the morning i will be drunk, all the drugs in the clouds, you are not mine, you are not mine, oh, wop-wop, you are so beautiful, hop-clap, i’m deleting from the archive, i admire you, you’re a diva, from what kind of movie are you talking about, i really want to get away with you, i hope i can do it, but you’re not mine and i’m suffering, this is love, self-deception, and until the morning i’ll be drunk, issky drugs clouds, you’re not

mine, you’re not mine, this is love , self-deception, and until the morning i will be drunk, whiskey anesthesia and clouds, you are not mine, you are not mine, hello, friends, this is a podcast not a format of a place where the magic of music happens, completely unexpected duets happen, as always, today my beautiful one is here. this is karina cross, carnival, groupage in the back, i'm anton lavrentip, and today we have fantastic guests, to the track of the artist who came to us today, and i rocked in nightclubs, my hair was developing like this, and i imagined that i was in her videos, charming, charming, incredibly spectacular, anna pletitneva today we’re visiting, thank you, and they say about him that he’s like timothy shalom, but only better, because he’s also his... visiting the uniform is the amazing incredible amirchik, hello, hello, you’re being compared to timothy teloma,

absolutely right, why , let's see, no, ours is better, which one are you? now i don’t look much like the guy on the right in the photo, who, this is when the photo was taken, it was six months ago, in my opinion, how quickly you grow, i already managed to cut my bangs the day before yesterday, just at 4:00 in the morning, like that i got up, i want to cut my own bangs, it’s just that guys also cut their own bangs, yes, but please tell me, are you familiar with each other’s work, of course, we actually know each other very well very often , tell us where we met , let’s all perform in yekaterinburg together on one together on one stage, yes at first. i, i warmed up, as stas kostyushkin said, prepared, and i, by the way, i want to tell you, i just loved your concert, it was so cool, you started with social networks, right, well, that is, you are an internet artist , well, you can say so, you can tell me, this is how it all began, it all began - in general, even if you dig to the root, it all started with a construction site, and

quarantine began, in order to help my parents, and then financially i had a very... you know , for me global for that period the goal was to get braces for myself, because i had an even more beautiful smile, so i went, worked with my father from morning to night, uh, for 900 rubles, if we convert this into rubles, yes, i saved up for braces, helped financially, saved for phone, i didn’t have time to save up for a phone , but after quarantine i was on my way to at least ask friends for their phones in order to shoot some videos and post them on social networks, what did you record your first one with? first cover band nerves, i'm probably too in love, one of the artists you re-sang, they somehow played some role in the fate of your development as an artist, and of course, the spendthrift matvey melnikov, who dropped me and wrote in his story, immediately suggested, let’s come to moscow, let’s talk, get to know each other, maybe we will move together, work, how do you like the younger generation of artists in general, well , i like this young generation, this boy

doesn’t fit, your song is experiencing a completely second wind now, yes, i’m in an unreal high, because well, this is some kind of truth a revolution in show business, when a song 15 years later, and which 15 years ago in the same way blew up all the dance floors and turned everything upside down, but the laws, patterns, i don’t know, everything has changed in this world, everything, everything, and us too. number one and were in all the charts, only then the charts were different, not digital, but 15 years later, when now i see that our song has been in first place in all numbers for a whole month, and it’s directly felt in the air, it’s felt also because i go out on stage, see a completely new audience, and there really, these guys come, like this, but she is relevant, the same timati shalome there

1000 timothy, this is very, very nice , not fair, even i am very pleased to see this, because i have known sanya almost since i moved to moscow i began my journey as an artist, let’s say how you met, where you met, and she and i have one very magical friend and comrade, you know, and my manager, my director, elizaveta, her manager is the director, we have this one comrade between us, i propose to perform a song, perhaps with a freeball title a little bit, you made this song - a cover of yes, the singer valeria, yes, yes, yes , with permission, valeria, yes, of course, this is later , later, well, between the lines, a blank sheet, you can’t find an answer to the question, better than any height, the world to which i took you, a

crystal dream, a tear melted. in my shining eyes, and the distant stars burn with desire , listen, i want to say, a droplet from heaven on your palm, reality will become reality, a dream will be fulfilled by love, a drop of light will fall on your eyelashes, and winter will turn into summer. i’ll convince you, a drop of heaven, i’ll lie on your palm, palm, i will pour out a little, the sun will be filled with love, a drop of light will fall on my eyelashes, and in winter i will lead the sky with me like a squirrel,

cool, it was so gentle and kind, and now we will test your musical listening, observation, now you will hear your own songs, but they went guessing their song will not be so easy and the one who guesses the most of their songs wins, we have to reach there, no, you have to stand opposite each other, go there, whoever guesses presses the button and says his version answer, let's go, as they say, so what is this love, well, look, i didn't even give a chance, i didn't even give a chance, but i wanted to say the sign of aquarius. that means we’ll remove it, well, in general, i mean, it’s the other way around, yes, right, right, right, well, well done, moscow

, right, right, one one, well, this is yours, bad girl, yes, well, i clicked first, okay , that's it, come on, come on, say it, bad girl, say it, bad girl, the next song is in the studio, and the world has passed, it's eva, eva, eva, right, right, right, right, right, the count is 2:2 and now we turn on the next song, 2:2, not 3:2, no, not 3:2, at least once, oops, the score is 3:2, the last musical segment, well, i don’t believe my song, well, you’re giving away a point, yes, of course, of course, of course, of course, i don’t believe you, the last song was more than your songs. than mine, you know, so - friendship did not win, the incredible and amazing won, so, well, our dear guests, come on

, ask who you already have fits with, with whom you want to do something in the future, i have now superfit with kidri, with injury, these are very cool guys who will break up in their future, i’m sure, are freshmen, it turns out, freshmen, yes, of course, but maybe i’d like to be with someone else, maybe? maybe we like one of the young people, here amirchik coughed, for some reason, i won’t drink with amirchik, he already slept with everyone, but yes, i’m all offended, little one, who are all these in a row, and i already managed to make a fit with our beloved by all , marie crambery, uh-huh, i managed to make a fit smot, i made a song with my friend, very close to haru, and this is a south korean artist, here but the song is in russian, i also have a song with a european artist named kerriya, sorry, no problem, in english , your pronunciation is excellent, yes beautiful, by the way, this was my debut song with

access to the world wife level, i got there are a lot of listeners abroad, and i’ve already managed to give 24 concerts in germany over the past six months, i just arrived 3 days ago, i had a tour of southeast asia, this is malaysia, indonesia, we’ve just started talking about concerts, i’m sure i know. that you will have a solo concert soon, i will soon have my first solo concert, i will have a birthday on october 20, i will turn 20 years old, and this will be in honor of this, i want to do my first solo concert in moscow, i’m waiting for everyone, we congratulate you, and it will be a very cool show , i assure you, and as some people say there, this will be the most expensive sound, oh, it sounds good, forgive me for my modesty, please, but yes, do you have any surprises to expect from you? well , of course, of course, but i don’t want to talk about the fact that we will have the coolest show and the most cool scenery, sophisticated sound

and but i will say, but i will say that there will be a very interesting innovation, and i will have 3d costumes, sergei bezrukov, in the serial film by valery todorovsky bison, the work of a fashion model. premiere, tomorrow after the program time, the vtb team is with you, with the vtbbonon application you can transfer money quickly and conveniently, a cool idea, but by whom? invented by those for whom translations are an opportunity to take care of those who are far away. they always remember us. we came up with a vtb debit card and the best application as for yourself to make your life more convenient. switch to vtb right now. this is the plot, the characters are well developed. so deliciously written. sorry, huh? what do you think, mango, lukyanenko, menu, what? exclusive new products of different genres in the line application from mts. american khadi goodridge and other