[000:00:00;00] you will strive to look at history based on that time, well, that is, to separate yourself from research, not just to separate , to forget about yourself, to forget at all, to try to imagine yourself as an observer in that, in those ideas about morality and morality, in those ideas about legality, in those circumstances, the surrounding legislation of language, customs, and customs, and simply the understanding of good and evil, they were completely different. i always say as a student that a woman of the 19th century is always pregnant, here i have such a marker, well, just statistics are such that whether she was an empress, whether she was pushkin’s wife, it doesn’t matter and he’s just mendeleev, he’s the seventeenth child in the family, all this is very difficult to imagine, here’s alexander ii, how many children there were, this is already, this is already the second half of the 19th century, this is almost, almost modernity, eight, yes eight, yes, that’s it, and from this

followed a different attitude towards children. and tell me how he goes gogol gogol straight man with woman, song kwan-du, kwan-dukwanaya. it was a storm, a real binge star, the season premiere, tomorrow on the first that you do you think about our entry into nato? america, the usa, is actually structured like a mafia state, whoever is stronger is right. i think it's just a misunderstanding. i never could have imagined that this elderly norwegian herring had such

a sparkling sense of humor? who derives personal benefit from this, okay, glory to vavan and lexus, connect them already, i’m connecting , so, vavan and lexus, well, it was much more interesting to communicate with us than with zelensky, vavan and lexus show, tomorrow on the first . so, i remind you that we have a lab podcast, i’m dmitry buck, host of a literary podcast, let them not talk, let them read, and today i am talking with professor, doctor of historical sciences, vladimir rostislavovich medinsky, tell me, here is the modern technical surroundings, here are all these possibilities, confirmation of some events, this helps, brings us closer to the truth to some extent yes,

because. there are modern technologies, history is becoming more and more a science at the intersection with other sciences, well , there is radiocarbon dating, i will talk about simple things to say, but everyone understands, there is dendrology, and the definition is increasing, dated by rings on trees, then the method of restoring the human appearance, which was also developed by the gerassimo academy at one time, by the way, there are many interesting discoveries, when gerasimov restored the appearance, he restored the appearance of fyodor ushakov after the war , researching his burial, in my opinion in temnikov, somewhere in the monastery where ushakov had lived for the last 10 years, it turned out that there was nothing in common, the appearance of admiral fyodor ushakov, who, as you and i know, is not suvorov sea, not a single defeat, not a single ship lost

in life, not a single captured sailor , his appearance has nothing in common with the canonical portraits painted after his death, he is much tougher and meaner, well, with bering, who was mistaken for his relative, and davors, we don’t know what suvorov looked like, he looks completely different in all the portraits, that is, it’s a pity that there is no photograph, roughly speaking, but here is academician gerasimov, but in fact, as you know very well, even participated indirectly in the fate of our museum, because he recreated about let’s not go into it, but look at the paradox , i’m convinced that if we had assumed that during the private battle there were some modern technologies, then one thesis of one agency would have appeared that such and such won

, here’s a video confirmation for you, well, an old soviet joke says that if i had the newspaper pravda, no one would have known that i was defeated at waterlow, remember there. if we talk about, well, such trends in history, in historiography in historical science, then which of them century developed, enjoy your sympathy, the question is not which directions are more accurate or fashionable, the question is that the main thing you need to think about is that, after all, history is still a science, a science that relies on artifacts, evidence, and various

forms of sources and verification of these sources, modern history in the era of mass communications, it’s like with literature, literature was literature of a writer, a writer, until the internet appeared and every blogger imagined himself to be a writer, yes, especially since he pressed three buttons. you're already in the masses dissemination and not a single tyutchev as a censor will be able to stop the stream of consciousness that rushes out of you, you understand, and a huge circulation , yes, you never dreamed of the circulation of signatures, and you dream about where alexander sergevich is, so it’s the same with history, which means you read it on the internet, there’s a lot of stuff there, and you already own it with intimate knowledge you begin to argue with professionals , you have no idea, not long ago i gave a lecture about emilian pugachev, well, it would seem that 250 years have passed there, what kind of pugachev fan club was discovered, so it turns out that there is pyotr fedorovich. this is all romanov

’s falsification, he is pyotr fedorovich, and there was a tartaria, it turns out that these are thousands of comments, tartaria and you are deceiving us, and the great tortaria led by the great, then pugachev, family. it’s impossible to argue with this, you see, the earth, as you know, is on elephants, elephants on turtles, further down the list , this is exactly the problem, the problem is that history textbooks are very important, i was recently asked, we are now working on new textbooks on stories for school or updated, i was recently asked how ... it is important for the internet that there are textbooks in general, because everything can be learned on the internet, yes, you can even become a doctor, but not a surgeon, of course, but

it’s easy to become a diagnostician, yes, yes, the main thing is not to get caught to such a doctor, for an appointment, and i say, you know, in our time of the internet, the importance of a school textbook has increased a thousandfold, because it should be that truth, that guiding thread, something that the overwhelming majority of the scientific community agrees with at the moment , what a schoolchild needs trying to perceive information as repeatedly verified, it turns out that on the one hand there is. if you like, based on working with facts, with sources, and so on, this is this freedom that is inevitably shrouded in darkness or fog of arbitrary false

interpretations, on the other hand, this very academic knowledge is designed for a very narrow circle of people, can we talk about , that the horizon of addressing, addressing such academic works is quite narrow, for this there is... it is understandable with various kinds of comparisons with modern times, because it is very important when talking about some event, to give examples of what a person faces today, says, well , look, then it’s easier to remember based on the principle of analogy, well, you should have an iceberg in your head, an iceberg preparing sources that do not need to demonstrate all sorts of good popularization. must be a very educated person, otherwise it will turn out to be superficial, shallow, essential, this is an essential story, and, in general, an old

question, about polarizers there should be, such a great scientist, a classic, endowed with degrees, or it could be such a professional popularizer, in physics , it seems to me, or in mathematics very often such people who... who manage to convey certain things to a wide audience become very big scientists, academician kolmogorov, for example, a mathematician of the century, kapitsa, yes, today kovalchuk is doing great. there is a popularization program, yes mikhail valentinovich, so no, it simply depends on the ability to speak and convey the truth in simple language, but in such complex sciences, technical, exact sciences, where a person is not immersed in the subject, he can float very easily, but in the humanities it’s a little easier, because the circle of people who understand this matter is wider and the number of popularizers of history in my opinion thank god we have more than a popularizer. there in nuclear physics, then it’s very important to love

the subject, it’s hard to talk about something if you don’t like it, if you don’t love it, if you don’t empathize with the hero, if you don’t live with them in their meaning or authenticity after all, because lydia yakolevna ginsburg, a great philologist, a student of tenyanov, said this, i remember this phrase, that not only a zoologist is not obliged to love ciliates, but even a botanist should not love flowers, a zoologist and a botanist, let them love what they want , and the historian must love the heroes he talks about, because the principle of historicism , only in this case it will be objective, the principle of historicism presupposes immersion in darkness, trying to live in those circumstances, thinking like them, reflecting, empathizing like them, uh, without there will be no authenticity, without this there will be such a look down, but we know the post-truth, well, in fact, i propose in my books in my lectures there, just

as much as possible, to try to stand next to the people who made history, this is very an important, important thing, well, oddly enough, i also do this in the history of literature, i say, well, imagine that dostoevsky published a novel in 1940, poor people, yes, it’s early, but still great, we say, the same text, absolutely the same letters, only the old spelling, but we know that this is the author of the crime, the punishment, we didn’t know this for a year, who this young man is, the same text, but a completely different perception, we must turn it off, this is a very pleasant consonance, well now i traditionally, now i will turn to russian lyrics, in the middle of our releases there is one of three actions, this is either a showing of an old book from my own library, or it is a quote from a classic, or russian lyrics, now it will be russian

lika. i will read one of george's poems ivanov, whom i rate very highly, i consider him a very great russian poet, but it has some relation to our topic, because it mentions leontyev and tyucheyev, konstantin nikolaevich leontyev, a famous thinker, philosopher, diplomat, monk, writer, well, that no need to imagine, and here in the middle there is such a hidden quote from a stranger in the block, which then becomes behind... the quote mentions the battle of thermopylae, well, this is also a generally known fact, this is the 5th century bc, 300 spartans, narrow passage to the mainland greece, where these 300 heroes died, let's read this poem, the path under the thermopylae is clear on all four sides, and greece blooms with graves, as if... there was no

war, and we, leontyev and tyutchev, chaotic students, we never knew better than an idle life, bush people, we indulge in self-deception, spring indulges us, having passed between sober drunks, she, a stranger, sits by the window, breathing perfume and mists, she sits by the window, a direct quote from the block: she can see the distant beyond the seas and oceans country, stand christmas trees, hiding a snowy prison, and blue komsomol girls vizhzha are swimming in the crimea, they are diving over the graves, on one side, the groom on the other, and leonidas under the fermopiles, of course died because of them. this is an amazing poem because it first splits a single world. yes, georgy ivanov. his migrant distance is watching this strange country, which seems to him

like a prison, there are christmas trees, komsomol members dive into the crimea, these are very rich places where only the noblest people were, imperial dachas, but suddenly, the ending says that there is no other russia, yes, there is only one russia, so everything is completely turned upside down, the path under the thermopylae is clear, the history that has taken place removes the contradictions, and i would call this poem. no power seemed alien or distant to you. some country, if it’s your homeland, if it’s your native country, if it’s just russia or england, for some, or germany, then it cannot be replaced by any ghost, by any

state that seems more befitting you, it would seem, well, from this platform, let's go back to our conversation again, now about the triple miracle that you describe in the preface, this book , let's demonstrate it, it's called stories from russian history of the 15th century, that's what you mean when you talk about the three miracles that gave rise to this book , i quite randomly recorded a series of small lectures on the internet, popular about history, which i called stories from russian history, because this is not academic science, this is popularization, these lectures are unexpected, a miracle number one sold out quite well on the internet, with millions of views , after that the management of the culture channel approached me and offered to show them on culture, but usually it happens exactly

the opposite, television is filmed, something for television, then from the internet there is almost an amateur... the program was taken and shown on central television , this is also a miracle, this is number two, it goes well and enjoys the attention of its audience, and then, actually, miracle number three, a professional publishing house said that we can write it all down and we will publish it as a book, i say, but it won’t be one book, because there are a lot of lectures, it will be a series, so they said and great, a series is better than a full-length film, great, yes, that’s why it’s only the first series, there will be a continuation in a couple of weeks, these are literary lectures, the lectures are also unusual , because i speak without preparation, i have a plan, i have a plan, the numbers are everything, but starting the lecture, i don’t know any of it duration, how it will end,

to be honest, i often don’t even know what i will speak in the middle, because there is only a backbone on which some thoughts , ideas, facts that pop up in the head are strung, this turns out, not reading from a monitor in such a television news format, yes, this turns out to be a conversation with the viewer, it was unexpected for me, because well, one would think that vladimirovich medinsky, well, is presenting some kind of concept, yes , no, no concept, i have a concept, only one goal, i want, i tell stories that seem interesting and instructive to me, and then you think yourself, i i just want you to be interested in this, so that you might have some desire to watch a movie on this topic, or a monograph of some kind, well, yes, suddenly, suddenly, well, or at least sit down there, open the computer and find out something in more detail about our heroes, which is why, again, i’m not talking there about the conflict between productive forces, production

relations, what we were taught is that there ’s no dialectical materialism, no, there’s no and theories of mentality, not at all no theories. that is, this is such a personified history, but simply through them, this is not the history of the russian state, not the russian people, as nikolai alekseevich polevoy had a counterweight to karamzinov, yes, as we know, yes, not karamzin, not his modern followers who write great , so to speak, i am sober about my own capabilities and temporary opportunities as well, so i am not trying to give this the format of any scientific or academic monograph, so there are no references to sources, because why, this is not a scientific work, i am not polemicizing with any of the modern authors, although if a professional historian on the topic reads my books, he actually has nothing new except the author’s view, that is, it is not for him,

actually, yes, he will read the author’s point of view, that’s because of course some heroes are more sympathetic to me, there i like potemkin, but i don’t like pugachev, that’s when i... about the decembrists, this will be in the third decembrists, one story, then yes he changed tom, i was preparing a lecture, i planned one lecture, i had one look at right during the lecture, it turned out that i broke my leg for almost a month, i sat at home for a month, i had time, instead of one lecture about the decembrists, i got three, i read a lot sources, and my view of them changed several times, how interesting it is, like this , it turned out to be such an interesting and contradictory phenomenon, these are so different people, and trying to judge them by some kind of tracing paper, like they were there in the soviet years , heroes, star of captivating happiness, in pre-soviet years into imperial ones, these were

state ones. god forbid, so to speak, such a maidan square is on the one hand lenin - this is the first period of the liberation movement, who just did not understand that there is no dictatorship of the proletariat, in general everyone was right and good, they would have woken him up, it would have been better if he was sleeping, but here are all these points of view they are so, they make the world black and white, yeah, in fact , everything is much more complicated, everything must be taken into account , after all, nevertheless, well, when - a scientist from the background approaches this, i remember how in soviet times there was a debate about what to call this decembrist something, yes, an uprising or a riot or a performance, a performance, i remember a speech, it’s not clear what, that is, this is an important story, very interesting, very difficult, and as always in real history, very contradictory, and history : the decembrists are certainly a story of the naivety of romanticism, and cruelty, and indifference to their own

soldiers, whom they took to the square or raised there in the chernikov province and uh, some sincere impulse, a desire to do better, and cynicism, careerism, which sometimes brought the desire to do better to totalitarian things that were possible there, as if indeed. i really like the cover, it’s something i came up with myself, yes, we came up with it or drew it ourselves, well, a professional artist executed it, but i can’t do it as beautifully as i wanted, but i did it all myself, numbers, letters, so it will be, yes, yes, yes, fonts, of course, yes, yes, yes, that’s all , then there will be the next covers, there will be new heroes, the second one, this is the chronology or types of hero, because here, uh, centuries, yes,

faces, emperors, the second volume will be the 18th century, generals, it is already in print, the third volume will be the 19th century, emperors, then there will be the 19th century, generals, then probably there will be scientists, public figures, poets, a separate volume will be peter i, you you know, i have my first, a separate volume, excuse me, i’m interrupting you, because everything is curious, this is my first profession, a scientific editor, and a literary one, so i can criticize a little, well, this. this principle is incomprehensible, yes, the first book is only on the fourth page of the cover, but what is it specifically about emperors, but there will also be about some other people, this is not very clear , it could be easily explained, it will be on the store shelf, when there are them, they will stand in a row, yeah, then everything will be clear, the faces will change to the covers, probably, this will probably happen, please tell me, the 16th century is just such a start - the era from which you feel... this is the time when, in fact, our

multi-religious country was formed in its modern form , multinational, imperial, but a completely different empire than european, colonial empires, a completely different type of empire, you know, an empire that absorbed a new territory , began to date it immediately, and not pull out all the values ​​from there, was incredibly tolerant, and perceived its subjects on an equal basis, not one of them disappeared, no, only everyone has grown, moreover, all ethnic groups have grown significantly in numbers , this is a very interesting time with very interesting, bright, beautiful people, well , in conclusion, i’ll ask you, is it clear where this will be completed, such a difficult question, where the constituent assembly or the second world war... i would really like to finish this honestly before nicholas ii, because

then a very painful time begins, i would really not want these books to cause a bad mood or negative emotions, so that they would bring discord, yes, so that they bring discord, i would like people to understand, after reading them, that firstly, everything has already happened, secondly, our ancestors need a lot... and thirdly, the point of history is not to come yet once for the same rake, this will be what called, what i call a positivist view of history, this is a positivist or maybe , as you correctly said, a positive view, well , so sober, calm, leading to some kind of agreement, but is it right to think that love for native ashes, love for the current to the athenian coffins, on which it has rested for centuries. by the will of god himself , man’s self-sufficiency, the guarantee of his greatness, these are the only, greatest words, and this is

the only correct attitude towards one’s history, thank you very much for the conversation in our podcast, in conclusion i always pronounce my slogan or express myself in a foreign slogan, read with pleasure, dear friends, until we meet again. hello everyone, this is a free program podcast, i’m maxim trinkov and today my guest is a real invincible superstar, alina zagitova. alina, hello, welcome. hello, maxim, hello everyone. alina, in fact, i tried to prepare for this interview, but it is almost impossible to find facts that would not be known about you, because there is so much attention in the press, on social networks, it would seem that everyone

knows everything about alina, so i would like to start our conversation like this. alin. i know that today you had a very difficult day, tell us a little about it, how did it go? yesterday i was in izhevsk, with my grandparents, in fact, i haven’t been to this city for a long time, but not because i didn’t want to, i just didn’t have the opportunity, and at least for a day, a day and a half, i flew, saw everyone, was charged with positive emotions, and in the morning i had an early plane - for some reason i insomnia started there, i don’t know, maybe i got too nervous or lived through so many, so many emotions during the day that i simply couldn’t fall asleep, and slept for only 2 hours, then i flew in straight away and went to a beauty salon to somehow put myself in order for today’s interview, then i was almost late for you, i have to

give it to you, you showed up on time for training, yes of course. never happens in the past, he is always with us, as we know with you, probably, and when was the last time you were on the ice, 2 days ago, that is, you you continue to train because you take part in many ice shows , and just recently there was a performance for the centenary of moscow sports, so we performed at the luzhniki stadium, a lot of people came, which cannot but please us, let ’s go back a little to your childhood, dad me... in the past, and he constantly traveled to different cities, played on different teams , i started figure skating in almetyevsk, so let ’s say hello to valmetevsky, hello to everyone, although zhzhevs, of course, is also in alina’s heart, because it’s 100% there, yes, my relatives live there, almost everyone, so it’s also my second hometown, it

’s where you do your agricultural work, what’s your favorite agricultural tool and you ’re a hoe anyway? so for some reason everyone hated me for it, because i showed a shovel and how i work with it in the garden, how i dig potatoes, they told me wrong, here you need a hoe, so okay, so they spud potatoes with a hoe, shovels dig them up yes, they dig, but all means are good there. can and dig up with a shovel what your grandparents cultivate in their summer cottage , what crops they grow, there’s a lot of stuff there, there are cucumbers, tomatoes, and potatoes, and cherries grow, so i ate cherries there too, then they make delicious compote , i love their compote, i always take several jars to moscow with me, this is the guarantee,

alina zagitova’s champion secret, everything is natural, yes. from your grandparents’ garden and of course compote, of course, do you travel with your sister or fly alone? here we are now everyone flew with the family, we had such a family trip, it was some kind of special occasion or just not, it was just such a time, and i said that we spent time with the whole family, it’s priceless, 100%, well, i just had a rest, seriously, and there are still native roots there, i walked around... i realized how small it really is, although in childhood it turned out that a metropolis, a metropolis, do people recognize you on the streets in vizhevsk? this is why i like izhevsk, that all the people there are so simple, even if they recognize everyone, they just calmly pass by, well, you can see that they are watching, but they are cultured and modest, no matter who you are, what

you are, you walk calmly, even... in the center, listen, well, you generally travel a lot in ice shows, and just when you perform uh in the role of a speaker or presenter at some events, at various forums, what city... did you remember most recently, well , i liked ufa, i liked ufa, yes, everything came together, the weather and the beautiful view and the people, well in general, i would return there again, i would definitely return there with you, because that i remembered the trip to ufa because of you, you gave me a wonderful bouquet of dandelions, well, i think i need to tell this story, well, tell me, in general, i don’t like to be late, as it seemed, maxim also doesn’t like it when someone... then i was late, but then it turned out that i was late for two minutes, because we were all going to lida’s palace together, then i came in here, and how are you, maxim

leonidovich, maxim leonidovich, he put good people in my way, you can’t be late like that, that is, i was correct, i just advised, like an olympic champion to an olympic champion, that we are olympic champions, not the next time, when i was late, literally 30 should be pressed, should calmly sit down, in seconds, alina gave me a gorgeous bouquet of dandelions, thank you very much, there was only one bouquet there, but i just ran at the speed of light, they’ll probably just push me up these steps now, i still need to take something to soften maxim leonidovich, i took this bouquet, which is from... for us, for figure skaters, and for athletes in general, well probably it’s everyday training, i feel like i’m such a lazy person and just didn’t do anything today, although

for example, i did a lot of filming, held a lot of negotiations, outlined plans for the week, but in the evening i feel like i didn’t do anything i did it if it wasn’t a workout that day, and if there was a workout, even if i didn’t do anything else that day. i didn’t, i feel absolutely peaceful and go to bed with a sense of accomplishment. alina, lately there has been a huge variety of activities, which you tried, what did you like the most, what do you feel most organic in, that this is mine, this is what i could do, if not for figure skating, i would connect my life with television, i don’t know in what role yet what, but i... that’s why i’m trying, to find myself, to find a business that i really like and that i would do all my life, that is, you live a rich and interesting life, and therefore, you’re absolutely right, i- i just

agree with you when so many people say, that in sports you need to skate until the age of 30 to 40, and not until 17, i always do not support this opinion, because i say that if at 17 you won the olympic games, you are a happy person, there are so many opportunities in front of you, so many doors in front of you it opens up and you... you can, you have so many more years left in your life, your whole life is ahead of you and you can realize yourself anywhere, but if you’re like me, for example, you skated there until you were 33, then it’s much more difficult for something study and uh, try, it’s just that time is running out , but it turns out, well, with alternating success, i think that everything worked out, even after thirty, if you really try and really want it, well then... you need to do everything much faster, because you need a family, and what, well, of course, well, you would like to be, let's say i'm a mother someday in the future, of course, it seems to me that most of the girls, girls, yes, girls want a family,

they want children, but would you give your future children, or your child, to sports? well, it’s difficult for me to talk about this, because on the one hand, you want the child to choose, but the thing is, which... he will like, with whom he will light up, on the other hand, i look at my childhood, i didn’t like figure skating at all, that is, my mother brought me just like that, uh, come on, go skate, i was just sobbing there near the side just like that, take me away from here, she already forced me, then i started to succeed, and i kind of realized that i like it, i don’t want my daughter to be an athlete at all. in general, why? well, although she asks to do figure skating, but i see, i'm at every show, just watching, she she’s just eager to get on the ice, she loves it, it’s very strange, why not, well, because i don’t want

to live another life, even now as a figure skater’s parent, that is, i was a figure skater, i was a child who was taken to the skating rink, then i i became an adult figure skater myself, because i had a family for a cat, i of course don’t want to do that either, plus the competition is crazy... the fact that you will achieve something is very debatable, well, you can talk a lot here and think about it, but this matter must be approached very consciously. just think carefully, and if you have a boy, he will become a hockey player as a grandfather, it seems to me that dad would want this, i don’t really like to make plans, just like in sports i didn’t like to make plans, you asked me what are your plans for the season, well , in sports it’s generally an ignoble thing to make plans, it seems to me , yes, because at any moment something can happen, there at this moment, i told her so, i don’t know what will happen in 10 minutes, there in 5 minutes, you just go, twist your leg, everything like you would

be out for several months, you would need to recover again, and new plans tell me, yes, alin, well, you told me that in childhood you, i think, many of us skaters didn’t like figure skating, at some point you liked it, when it started to work out, do you remember that moment when you suddenly thought , damn, it’s so cool that i’m a figure skater, i like it so much, on khinchane’s pedestal, well, i could say it as a joke, yes, but in my childhood i had such a situation all the time that i was always third or fourth, that is near the pedestal, that is , i was always missing some hundredths point to rise to this third step, and for me it would already be wow, i would simply be bursting with emotions and then i would simply brag about this medal to everyone, i would come to school or kindergarten, but all the time

something was missing . and when i started, first third, then second, and up to first , it seems to me that i only started to take first place with this georgievna, in fact, all the time there was something to strive for, and there was also a lot of competition, and for what - medals all the time, that’s what you want, mom asked, you’ll have third place, what do you want for him, first, then a rabbit, then a dog, then a cat, that is , i was choosing animals all the time, then i already had one, we got to the pony, the pony had nowhere to live, well, that is, we had a small apartment, so there were enough animals, and then there was a telephone, that is, all the time i was somehow motivated by something, that is , you set this moment for yourself as a starting point, when you fell in love with figure skating, that you felt something do you make money?

yes. well, that is, some then there are 50 rubles, but anyway, i didn’t think that i would be doing figure skating all my life , i was watching some grand prix then, there was lena radionova, adalina, eliza, i looked at them and thought, damn, they’re so big competition, i will never get there , how do they feel at this moment, they are such superstars, i would like it that way , but most likely, i’m from zarzewski, i don’t have the opportunity, all the time, in general, i somehow justified myself, somehow... i felt sorry for myself, but you never thought that you were from izhevsk, for example, liza toktomysheva from glazov, i thought that they were all from st. petersburg, from moscow, and you remember your first salary, when you got into the national team, you were put on the spot, of course , i remember, it was in the juniors, i remember that i competed in france.

in the city of sant gervais, it was there somewhere in the mountains, for me it was like this, that means i received such equipment, and for me then it was already something significant, something like that, an achievement, yes, and i proudly wore this uniform, flew there in all this equipment, in general, it was a significant day, after which i was already... on the insertion, what did you buy with the first money you earned, or did your grandmother take everything? well, more like that, that is, i understood that my grandmother was like that, that is, she originally told me in childhood all the time, what should you eat, do there, let me make you puff pastries, there is parmosha, triangles, these tatar national dishes , puchmaki, yes, tea with milk, sugar, that’s all, then, when i moved to moscow, she already started