[000:00:00;00] there somewhere in the mountains, for me it was like this, that means i received this equipment, and for me then it was already something significant, something like that, an achievement, yes, an achievement and i wore it with pride i flew there with this uniform, in all this equipment, in general, it was a significant day, after which i was already sent away, what did you buy? did you use the first money you earned or did your grandmother take it all? well, more like that, that is, i understood that my grandmother is like that, that is, she initially asked me all the time in childhood, what should you eat make it there, let me make you puff pastries, there are promosha, triangles, these tatar national dishes, puchmaki, and tea with milk, with sugar, that’s all, then, when they moved to moscow, it already started

to be like that... tea white, rose, water, just warm, yes, well, in general, that is, moscow changed it, but i kind of understood why it was being done, i just tell her, thank you for this, she spent what, i just saved up, that is, yes, for something so large-scale, big, you’re still saving up, yes, it ’s probably already quite good, you’re an enviable bride. you i’m definitely not an undevoted woman, and don’t envy me, i envy you with white envy, but with white envy, you ’ll wake me up at dawn,

i’m not going to see you off. rybnikov and the poems of andriy voznesensky, juno and ovos, tomorrow on the first day, a girl died, it looks like she was killed, like your husband,

what do you want from me. has anyone threatened your husband? tell me, shazu, what do you want from me? we need to know where the manuscript is? sergei bezrukov in the serial film by valery todorovsky bison, the case of a fashion model, from monday on the first. we continue our yes, a frank conversation as part of the podcast free program. our guest. alina zagitova, do you remember how the idea came up in your family to try to move to moscow , try your hand at a stronger figure skating school, and this is a very interesting story, there were just some competitions in moscow, this was my first competition in this city, is also a significant event for me, because i think moscow , wow, i always wanted to go there,

it’s just... maybe some person is just taking a walk, i have competitions here are outstanding, and i’ve always been there all my life, well, like all my life, i’ll probably lie all my life, but for the last 2-3 years there i just wanted to get into the group etor georgievna, and why exactly to her, did you know someone from girls , yulia lepnitskaya, i think that’s what everyone says to everyone, after sochi, many wanted to get into her group, you watched the olympics on tv, remember? well, i didn’t watch, i wasn’t into figure skating, that is, i briefly watched some competitive moments, highlighted something for myself, that is alina zagitova didn’t see my victory, i watched and that is, i even reviewed some moments of these emotions that

were at the end. and i wanted exactly the same thing, if i was at the olympics, you wanted to do it like this, like this, yes, i. did you do this? let's go back, after all, how did you get to moscow exactly to kateri georgievna where you wanted, it seems to me that this is the first time you basically set your goal and achieved it, for 3 years i said mom, come on, come on, come on, come on , that is, you yourself gave your mother this idea that i want to go to moscow, i want train with eteri georgievna tu, that’s right. well, most likely she thought that these were some kind of childish pities, and this would pass, although she really believed , she was just afraid too, we lived all our lives, first in

almetivsk, then in uzhevsk, that is, these are small towns, even not millionaires, it’s still a very serious step, especially for an adult who is already a conscious person , that is, for me it was unconscious, i didn’t understand what i just wanted, i think that my parents were just afraid, that is, they also wanted it, mom everything time, well, it’s clear what it’s like in terms of everyday life, it’s very difficult, because there is also a younger sister who also goes to school, on whom a lot also depends on financial costs, that is, either the whole family moves, yes, if dad has a good job, there’s a coaching job, then we’ll have to leave to my parents, that is, this is really a very serious step, my parents took out a loan so that i could live in moscow, all the time... i don’t say how i got to moscow, this is a competition, i still came there, performed, well, to put it mildly not really, well , in general, i was somewhere, well, in the twenties, probably after the competition, we had, in my opinion, the competition ended

at five, and our train was around nine, so i don’t remember, to be honest, but there was a very short interval between the introductions and the train, and i was like, mom, come on, come on, in the end... it’s like, okay, that’s it, we got ready, uh, quickly on the metro , it’s big there, we still need to somehow find our way, but in all this, in the end we got our bearings, we found out the schedule, my mother went downstairs, they were just having a warm-up, before the second ice, so she talked, as my mother later tells me, she asked what place you took, what is your name? she watched the performance right away, she just looked like that, well, the performance was not about anything at all, i was somewhere in the twenties, but - seriously, you think,

well, maybe now i realized that i should approach such a coach with such results, well, to put it mildly, it’s very embarrassing, because you need to have something - behind your shoulders, but somehow with us, yes, then i thought, damn, now i’m twentieth, this is what i should do, and i i want it so, but what, i had a lot of thoughts, but in the end i persuaded her, she’s like, let's see, on the ice on the ice, yes, but i first came to the warm-up , everything was pounding like that, my heart was squeezing, well, in general, there were a lot of people... people, i'm still shy, i'm like, damn, how was it, and there were all the stars, that is, there were who, yulia lepnitskaya was there, yulia lepnitskaya, polina , turskaya, zhenya was there, and dyayan petkeev,

tarasenko, voronov, in general, well, of course, the whole, the whole wide world, came out onto the ice, i rolled around for about 30-40 minutes, jumped, and spun around on the rock. georgievna says, well, let’s see you after the new year we’ll take you to the screening, but it’s not yet certain that they took us into the group, but i did, but i was already so happy, as if i was still skating there, and my mother and i almost missed the train later, we were just throwing in like that suitcases, climbed onto this train, it’s just already going in dad’s, but you remember, it’s like yesterday , right? that is, the same train that you and your mother jumped on while it was moving, it was, in principle, your lucky ticket, so that you could then return in moscow to begin the career

of a great champion. do you remember the day when we i met you personally for the first time, yes, it happened, i was still skating in uzhevsk, and we had a training camp in sochi, sirius, then i was with you...' there was an autograph session, so i even have a photo , but you didn’t pay attention to me, i was like that too, but for me to stand even with you was already something beyond. natural, as if you are standing with a superman, so this energy, it really exists, well, it is felt when the champion is already standing, so you have, there was this energy, and now there is, well, there is another story, well, i will explain why i did not notice alina zagitova, because alina zagitova in this photo is standing right here right behind me, but i was incredibly shy , they just pushed me like that, of course, yes, i remember, tell the story of your olympic...' medal, you watch it often , sleep with her,

keep her? in fact, no, well, it’s just hanging on me - on the medallion that my fans gave me, it’s so very beautiful there, and there’s just two medals hanging, one silver, the other gold, i practically don’t touch them, that is, i used to like this, here's a medal i put it on, i went to bed, i specially took it off so as not to forget where i put it in the olympic village, when i had silver, i... on purpose, i even have a video where - i just took it, and we there weren’t any boxes yet, boxes for medals, i specially put it on video like this, took a picture, so that in the morning i could see if it was a dream at all, now i understand that it’s just with me, besides all the jokes about happy ticket and so on, this is a colossal work, just communicating even with your coaches, they still they admire how you worked there during the olympic season, and so on , that is, during the olympic season you already understood that there was this

chance and you would put everything on the altar of this olympic dream, now i can already tell you this in the morning i had training at 8 in the morning, that is, everything is as clear as a bayonet, i came to the skating rink, also before everyone else, my mother just woke me up, i was like, okay , i took my skates, went, and then - i... had additional stretching, then i went to school until four, i studied somewhere, studied at school and then i went back to the skating rink, and fp, then ice, also an hour and a half, it is clear that it was not so intense, maybe i was slacking somewhere , but excuse me, i was years old, well, yes, the schedule didn’t matter, that is, there was discipline, yes, then i had additional classes, ofop

, additional stretching classes, where i just cried and came out covered in snot, then i went to the skating rink in order to work out separately with a trainer, so there was a moment, i went to vagryz training camps all the time, to one trainer who helped me on a fishing rod taught how to jump correctly, and before the gnawing, szhevsk before gnawing to drive for an hour, that is... every time my mother drove me back there, and there was a moment when my mother and i flew into a ditch, and the car overturned, because it was pouring, raining, you couldn’t see anything, the roads were terrible, they were narrow, and my mother was simply afraid of the truck coming towards me, or she did, she apparently skidded so hard that she overpowered us, that is, i, too, am wearing a lucky shirt, it turns out, i was born then, well, they were like that. that is, it’s not like

i went for a ride there once, we also had moments at the training camp when, after everyone, but i think you just went to one training session, which georgievna went to at the age of 12, and became an olympic champion, yes, of course , that’s how the training camp was, after every day we had rulers, that is, we went out, got them, they told us then they gave us some... then gifts, someone distinguished himself on this day, jumped there. something or worked out well there, they gave him some kind of present, a small one, someone was given a watch, someone was given a bag, but i was always given some small rubber bands, one rubber band, i was so happy about it, you you just can’t imagine what it meant the fact that i won’t go after this line and run around the skating rink for 30 laps, then uh 100 on one pistol, 100 on the other.

pistols, on a jump rope, more jumping, then i came, everyone there was already asleep, and i just quietly walked by and went to bed, that is, uh, that is, this is the way of the same one, if they didn’t give me something, even this little rubber band, i ran all the time and i had it all the time , that’s why, that is, this is the path of that same little girl in a red tutu that we all saw in 1918, well, it was there a lot of things, that is ... it’s not even possible to retell it all, but i have such clear, vivid moments, i’m telling you now, thank you for this, by the way, this is very interesting both about the accident and about... again, coming back, here when at the beginning of our conversation i asked you a question about the future, about whether you think that your children, for example, will become athletes, this is one of the reasons why i don’t want my children to become athletes, because i don’t know , if i can be the same as my parents, ours,

who led us, that is, you live this the life of a figure skater, that is, i lived it myself and still have to live the life of this skater for , that is, only already standing there over the side, again, at some point limiting my child in some way, somewhere maybe strictly with communicating with him, guiding him, that is , i don’t know if i’m ready for this? yes, well, parents play a big role here, of course, of course, i am incredibly grateful to them, because if it weren’t for them, well, i think nothing would have worked out, well, can you imagine taking out loans without understanding for what, that is it’s not even clear here will it be yours? child, well, even well, in the national team, in the junior team, will he even get into the junior team, well, of course, now i understand that there are so many misunderstandings, they still seemed to believe in me, they hoped, that is, if your

lucky ticket was, lucky, then for your parents it was a lottery ticket, that is, either yes or no, and you felt responsible in general that your parents did so much, i shouldn’t have to... my parents have a loan, they invest everything in me, no, at that time there weren’t even such thoughts, that is, when i arrived, why georgievna kicked out, she says, because i seemed to be doing my best, i didn’t finish something, but the girl who came from yzhevsk, they don’t teach me how to give my best, that is, at that moment it seemed to me that i was giving my best, i was just coming. i was without legs, without arms, with bruises , i was lying like that and just fell asleep there in the subway or on the bus, that is , i really had no strength, and you just don’t understand how to work, and it takes time for you to get used to this pace of work,

when i got used to it, that is, at that time it turned out to me that i was giving all my best, but i didn’t do anything, well , it’s the same here... such a moment needs to be worked out and you need time for this so that you understand how to really work, and then, when you return, then something has changed, that is, you found some new resources in yourself, or you realized what you need to do so that the coach changes this anger to mercy, i just started working out in the gym, i didn’t pay attention. for some little things, that is, i had it like how horses have these kind of blinders, so i also had it, that is, i generally i didn’t pay attention to anyone, and i ran faster to the gym in the morning, because i understood that now i’ve worked

at least a little, yes, i’m already one step ahead of my opponent, then i worked some more in the evening, so i’m still one step away, and that is, i competed so much - i set the bar, who i look up to and in order to somehow surpass, and surpass myself, at this moment i somehow came to this, you just came to this now, you’ll just tell me very cool things, that is, it’s really very cool to come to training and be, uh, i’m my own now i teach athletes that while you are engaged in destruction, for example, if they argue and swear, i say, someone is training and you have already lost these 5 minutes to your main rival, because they are now training, and you are sorting things out, yes, this is a fact , no, of course, i didn’t come to this right away, that is, they helped me, my grandmother , my parents, my dad too, as an athlete in general, now the coach also explained to me, it’s clear that i didn’t understand, a child can’t do this on his own come, well, these are rare cases, in any case

in this case, they lead him to this, but through conversations, that is, in the morning i started talking about figure skating and i made a plan for the day - in the evening i discussed what i had done, in the morning the plan began again, and that is, before going to bed i thought, that because in the morning grandma asked what you would do, you had to answer, and in the evening i was lying there making my plan for the day, well, that is, somehow i came to this, in any case , not on my own, because well, i’m lazy children always have it, then only you understand why you need this, this is just... the question of not letting your parents down, i didn’t realize this then, because a lot was hidden from me, not said, and i lived calmly. i think that everything is fine, then i already understood when

i overheard some conversations there and understood that we need to take it somehow more seriously, more seriously, and take it, and the coaches kept saying that look, if you are now you’ll work, you’ll have this, this, this, and you’ll be able to help so-and-so, so-and-so, i absorbed it all and thought, for real, i can i have a chance to help my parents and i. you have to not waste it, yes, to put it mildly, and this motivated me, but i actually remember the moment, i’ll interrupt you, about what you ’re saying, this modesty, it’s connected to the fact that somehow i shared more with my family , or still continued to save, well, they had loans left, that is, for several years, it’s not like 100. well, of course, i know how much it costs approximately and in general life in moscow, in any case parents

saved money, and tried to help parents in closing these loans just to help them, and it wasn’t necessary , that is, there was no such task, to buy something for myself, that is, of course, i looked there, i thought, damn, i’m here... well the girl, of course, it’s clear that she was watching, well, i understand, the priorities were different, yes, then, when everything was all over, she recovered, the family was a plus - the family went, and she began to somehow think about the fact that you had something new hobbies , shopping shopping, yes, well, that’s it, actually, now people think the same thing, but there are many haters saying, there she is, walking around... in brands, what she allows herself, well, that is, what she earned, then i allow it, well, yes, but

people don’t understand it, how hard it was, so sometimes it’s even a little embarrassing to wear brands, i admit, well, it’s like, alina, you’ve been there all your life, since childhood, because well, you became a star quite early , and they started talking to you in the context of already... the main hope at the olympic games, that is , it would seem that for 2 years there was an indisputable leader, then this still young star appears, wins the european championship, ever since then you've been reading about yourself on the internet, constantly some envious comments all the time, there’s something wrong with you, how to deal with it at all, i don’t like it when they say, star, there’s this here, that is, i can’t even dare to say it now, because , well i believe that we are still people, we are still the same as everyone else visually,

we have the same arms, the same legs, but just yes, we are different in that maybe we got into the type of activity in which we if we could realize ourselves, it’s just luck, well, this is also luck in many ways. how about you there just like that, the chick put something there, did something, that’s how it turned out, well, that is, it doesn’t matter, but from what you’re saying, it’s not entirely true, because you still have to work, well , of course, that’s it anyway, i just know many athletes who worked very hard bet their whole lives on this, but were simply unlucky, that is, you never? i didn’t feel offended, maybe because of the amount of feces that

is poured on you on the internet, of course, there are moments when you just laugh, but there like, well, what kind of nonsense is this, in general, at another moment, there is a lack of understanding for what, you don’t even know, you’re just doing your job, yes. every day, there is a person, a subhuman, who finds some kind of subhuman , these are just people offended by something, perhaps, or perhaps they are dissatisfied with something in themselves, some kind of complexes, or perhaps just visually i don’t like you, that is, well , there are moments when i don’t like you purely visually, i don’t like the conversation, let’s say you may not like me, but i won’t like you write in the comments tronkov, kill yourself against

the wall, that’s right, no, or i wrote. so i even have to answer why i wrote why i wrote yes just make a paste no i really love it, i like it when i like everything in this regard i like alexey konstantinovich who can afford to do everything there really answer some comments it’s psychological, well, it kind of helps psychologically when you answer a person, but you can already kind of tell the person why and figure it out, i’m like a person all the time loving to delve into himself and figure out why a person behaves this way towards me, i want to ask why all the time, or come up to me, ask or say something and we will talk, i calmly, as it were i communicate openly with everyone, you

know, a lot is mine, all my schedules, right? where am i going, come, but for some reason this hasn’t happened yet, because all the fear is in my pants, well, i need to explain that alexey konstantinovich is alexey konstantinovich yagudin, the 2002 olympic champion, who is 42 years old, so he can probably respond to different people, armchair critics, and when you are a little girl and read, i ’m not little now, now you are already yes in comparison. well, i just closed myself off, i spoke very little, practically didn’t give interviews, and didn’t communicate with anyone , i only talked with my grandmother, with my coaches, have you ever cried because of hurtful comments, i want to say no, like a strong girl , but

yes, well, for those who are just visiting us, olympic champion alina zagitova, tell me a little about this olympics, about your triumph, it turns out that you were the smallest at these olympic games in our team, yeah, you were the daughter of a stick or, well, someone maybe helped you, looked after you, it was during the olympics that i didn’t communicate with anyone, except for the coaches, that is, you came to do your job and yes , i didn’t communicate with anyone, didn’t go anywhere, i lived with georgievna, all the girls now say how it is, but it’s true, it was an interesting experience, and teria georgievna was just lived near the door, uh, entrance, and i lived a little further, and i just

i passed every time, uh, when there was a gym there in the village, i went down to the gym, there i had to... open the door, but naturally it’s there, it starts beeping, the gergan immediately comes out, that’s where i went, there are burgers, well, like , said, no, gerdin, i’m going to the gym , well, that is, then i understood, i didn’t even go there, where - where is all the food, yes, i didn’t go to the dining room, so as not to tempt myself in any way, that is, and you didn’t do you think they placed you this way on purpose to control you? i don't know, even if this is true, i am grateful to the person who accommodated me like this, because the result is obvious? yes, you spoke very touchingly about the first uniform you received, and in general, when i talked with the guys, well, mostly these are guys younger than me, i live a lot of warm memories, because i had the same moments, that is, i also remember my first

equipment, i remember how i called my dad there, he said from the payphone that dad, they finally gave me a uniform, and now, that is, 2018, you are already receiving equipment olympic, you already have a ticket not for the vezhevsk train, you are in a hurry from watching, but you have a plane ticket to korea, uh-huh, you remember this as what was in your heart, what you really are, these moments are very vague, what on at that moment i wasn’t thinking about equipment, but about where i was going, that is, such thoughts flashed through, yes, they are like that anyway, whether you like it or not, they will be there, but i tried to take them away from myself as much as possible and think only about training , here i am, the only thing i remember

is that i was only thinking about training, about the plan, i didn’t think about anything. i listened to the coaches, followed all their instructions, everything, that is, it’s wise, yes, it prevented me, at my first olympics. the euphoria that i experienced, well, i tried to restrain myself, i think that i got up so much that i didn’t have such thoughts, in any case it was joy and there my grandmother began to say, can you imagine, these are the olympic games, or my mother i started , i was like, stop, i just went to my room, locked the key, that’s it, watched all sorts of tv series, comedies, and then olympics, when the realization came that well, you did it, that you are now an olympic champion, i didn’t have time

to realize it, that’s when they put the medal on this very thing, yes, medal plazas, they put it on, i look at it, i realize, then i realized for a second, then there were some events, some interviews that just fell on me as much as possible, because i walked this whole road as a very closed person, but here you have to open up, and you don’t understand how this, you see new ones people, they want something from you, in general, it was, but this is not taught or trained, this is not taught or trained, it’s all experience, but you have changed, 2018, i think it’s better to ask people, who walked this... my path from beginning to end, i think purely internally, like it or not , your worldview will still change, your understanding

of the world, life makes you a strong and wise person who must probably overcome any obstacles with my head held high, i shouldn't even, i probably don't like it word, maybe, maybe, we don’t owe anything to anyone, i owe it to my children, i owe it to my family, no, you don’t have to, you want, today, here we are talking, i still have to make sure that you have communicate as comfortably as possible, you want to make sure that you like me, i want and need, okay, i won’t argue with you , oh well, i don’t owe anyone anything, i don’t owe anyone anything, alina, thank you for coming today, illuminated our wonderful broadcast, shared very interesting stories with us, especially from her childhood, i it was definitely very interesting, i want to wish you... not to stop , also to fearlessly throw yourself into any pool, try any absolutely undertakings, and may you have success in everything and

only good luck accompanies you, thank you very much, i was it’s very nice to have an interview with you today, everything went great, don’t worry, and maxim leinovich, that’s it, we’ll see you again, it’s not for nothing that at the beginning of our broadcast... i called you invincible, because we always follow all of your successes, and this is really true, undefeated and invincible, alina zagitova, our guest, here on the lab podcast, on the first one, i’m maxim tronkov and i say goodbye to you. hello, this is an easy money podcast and i am its host, mikhail khanov. today i have a very unusual guest for our podcast, clinical psychologist svetlana nazoeva.

hello, svetlana. hello. i know that you are a personal psychologist for many top managers, largest companies, rich, successful people. and the first question that comes to mind is to ask you if it’s true that the rich cry too, but the topic the program is completely different. it’s more interesting, deeper, it’s the psychology of poverty and wealth, what distinguishes poor people from rich people, how their way of thinking differs , why some manage to get out of poverty, others never, well, the most important question, that’s just what it’s called for starters, just is it possible to distinguish a rich person from a poor person by the image and format of his thinking? yes , of course, yes, poor man, i myself come from a very poor family, and i went to a certain financial state through various difficulties, and what are these difficulties? this is the first