[000:00:00;00] well, well, it’s probably difficult to do it at the same time, and one at a time, that is, these saddlebags are children and parents, your children are your parents, yeah, yeah, and you think that this burden is heavy, well, it’s not really a burden, but you have to live with this, and you are a man, and who is behind, who is in front, but it’s you who change places, sometimes, yes, sometimes you need more attention. and now attention, the correct answer. judging by the fact that no one came forward with help, i understand that it is pointless to ask in the hall, right? are there any versions? mr. avdeenko, are you the bravest?

no? no, pay attention to the screen, while walking along the thorny path of fate, a person walks with saddlebags on his shoulder, in a bag on his chest, he constantly collects and sees his good deeds, puts away his sins and shameful deeds in the bag on his back, forgets about them, so it would be worth although from time to time, unfold them and change places in order to remember his mistakes, they give him a reason to think about his imperfections and correct shortcomings, thereby gaining experience for a new battle with fate, in

saddlebags, sins and good deeds. 4:1 4:1 in favor of tv viewers, and adam saidov, the village of dubai-yurt, chechen republic, will receive 100,000 rubles from alfa bank. well, the fifth, excuse me, the sixth round, mr. skipsky, well, somehow. you are close, it seems to me that your version is not bad, but somehow it’s still not a burden for children and parents , somehow i don’t perceive it that way, well, you see, they didn’t come up with anything else anyway, unfortunately, yeah, well, good things may really not be a burden either, yes, they ’re just yours, you feel better with them, i don’t know, image, but you did something good, you’re with this is what we are discussing, a very beautiful, very correct legend, in fact, very

correct. economist alina amarbekova, the city of zhukovsky, is playing against you. attention, dutch painting. dear nobles, these and some other paintings are dutch. centuries you can find unusual objects, you see small boxes on the floor, attention, the question is: what did such devices serve in those days, maybe pots for sulpan bulbs, down there, look, there is a pot down there, an air freshener, well, they are stored there, maybe be, and a brazier, for example,

to warm the house, there are coals here. because there was no central heating there, they just brought pots there, the pot could burn, it can’t be just why, and look , look, open inside the pot, pay attention, well, there are coals in the pot, and there isn’t a pot of a different shape, maybe. what else can they keep downstairs for the floor there won’t be any pets the feeder won’t fit here and so alena alexandrova answers i ask alina, we think that this is a portable heater in which there were

coals, and this... thing protected people from touching them or there was a fire, a portable heater, a heater of what? a room in which there was no fireplace, for example, let's take a look. please, to the picture, especially to the central one, but we don’t know, upstairs, uh-huh, an additional question, after all, do you think that such a pot can be used to heat such a room, yes, well, do you know, at least some... then the parts of this room can be heated, you can warm your hands over it. for example, if a person for example, plays the piano, or, or, for example, uh, legs, but some part of the body that is freezing, maybe it was possible to warm up some more delicate parts of the body,

well, in general, since it is located below, but in any case, for heating, mr. presenter, now attention, the correct answer, alena, such devices were used as... look at the screen: foot warmers, they put a pot of hot coals inside and warmed their feet in the cold season. mr. giyazov, well , let’s not, i think we won’t find fault, because to say, well, the legs sounded in the end, eventually, after the hands, the legs sounded. alena, congratulations, 4:2, at the end of this game the best expert will be awarded a crystal atom, a traditional prize from the state corporation rosatom, andrey cheremitin will determine the best. andrey, well , today it won’t be possible to give a prize to a newcomer, there are no such people in the team, everyone is experienced and

has received a crystal atom several times. you know, mr. presenter, it seems to me that every game, or something, when it’s like a new life, in this sense, every time to sit at this table to become newcomers, today we have very... experienced newcomers , as far as i prepared for the game today, we have 21 crystal atoms for this team, for everyone, and i think that it will not be easy to choose, but i hope that i can handle it , thank you, andrey, the seventh round, mr. kozlov, tell me, why didn’t you make it, but you understand that you can’t heat such a huge hall with such a box, we didn’t have time, there wasn’t enough time to understand the nuances, right? you know, it's for you when you know the right answer, it seems that everything is obvious, right? no, it’s not obvious, but since you came up with a heater, then further, well, you see, a large hall,

there was no feeling that it was necessary to advance, then i realized that i have alexandrova on my team, who can think already, if in this there is a need, answering, thirteenth se. here is the internet against experts, today the thirteenth sector received 24,841 questions , now the computer will choose one of them, machulishchi is playing against you dmitry bitkovsky, doctor, machulishchi, where is this, you are not you know, they say minsk region, where is minsk region, so they say belarusians, belarus. we have specialists, attention, question, this tree is very well named in russian, not one tree is so easy, so you speak instead of

me, no, one of you started talking, well , read it for yourself, clearly, the answer is ready, but the answer is ready, mikhail, mikhail mun, right? please mikhail , well, the word is clear, it caught my eye, i hope it’s ash, which really looks quite transparent, i didn’t even have time to read the question, show me the tree well named in russian, not a single tree is so light, it doesn’t show clearly in the air like it, let’s see, attention is the correct answer, jan 4:30 and additional. mr. kazansky, it will soon be decided which team will play in the winter series, the team of andrei

kozlov or maxim vatashov, tell me, what would you like? well, you know, in such a situation i would probably dream, in this daydream i would see that both kozlov’s team and patashov’s team are playing with but let’s see how it all turns out, you know, it’s hard for me to choose, so i’m stumbling , so it happens, watching how to get torn apart, and the company’s users don’t have such problems, because the updated site now allows you to watch two broadcasts, two broadcasts at the same time, you just register, and then enjoy the game, the rest, thank you, denis, and now advertising on channel one, what do you think about our entry, america, usa. like a mafia state, whoever is stronger is right. i

think it's just a misunderstanding. i never could have imagined that there was so much in this elderly norwegian herring a sparkling sense of humor, and we are happy to contribute as long as it is needed. why does nato need war? there is an elite who derives personal benefit from this. okay, words to lexus, connect them already. i'm connecting. so, vavan and lexus, well, with us it was much more interesting for him. communicate than with zelensky, glory to russia, vavan and lexus show, today on the first, borborsman, product of the stellar group, give him a brief description, professional qualities,

smart, so, good reaction. gentlemen, what's the matter, the elimination of koch has of great political importance, is it worth risking such a valuable agent to eliminate koch? based on real events. a true intelligence officer must be ready for anything. along the razor's edge: premiere of a serial film. coming soon, on the first one. he is the enemy, you fell in love with him like a cat's pleasure.

you get what kind of idiot even wrote this letter, and what a cool , cool kostya quiche, they really could have imprisoned him, because they imprisoned pop musicians, if roman kostomarov had not been a famous legendary athlete, you would have fought for it is in exactly the same volume, any celebrity entering the shock hall will end up on the same bed, on the same ecmo machine, on the same aol device, we don’t have any kind of separation, consideration of the case of kamilla valieva, of course, they want, so that... geniuses like her, because she is truly a genius , they want this to be born in their countries, because if we have it in our country, we will always defeat them, any person who wants to adequately evaluate present, of course must know history, now they don’t ask, it was you who flew into space, now they say it was you who starred in the film challenge, but to me it’s different, they tell me, well, you flew with yulia dog, i say, no, it’s strange, it looks like it, i say, you flew . i know that

you recently had a very difficult accident, i flew from the back seat to the front, my brain went crazy, the man got into a traffic accident at a speed of 110, he didn’t brake at all. podcast lab is with you all nights, in a week, the fate of the main, autumn series will be determined , what, where, when. crystal owl. will awarded to the best player of the winning team. and if the tv viewers win, the author of the best question will also receive an alfabank card worth 500,000 rubles. eighth round. dear tv viewers, in a week the final of the autumn series will be held and the final

of the year will be held at the end of december, you still have time to come up with a good question to participate in the main game of the 2023 season, send your questions by email, by mail, or fill out the form on the twigra website. ru. mr. presenter, i would like to note that the prize fund for the final of the year already exceeds 2,730,000 rubles. that is you call more actively. mr. skivsky, in the summer series you lost in the decisive round, it was like that, there was a difficult question, yes, and then this question was also there, but it remained on the table, try to answer it yourself,

no, i don’t want to, in canada you may come across an unusual reminder for tourists; it recommends three models of behavior in situations: resist, go to bed good night, or, as we would say, turn out the lights. moreover, all these behavior patterns depend on color. attention, question, in a minute list these three colors: black bear, brown bear, okay, and if we say, the northern lights that night. why resist, resist, so-so, black bear, it’s small, yes , you can resist with it, white, the most, guys, they don’t ask us what color it is, what color it corresponds to, we won’t waste time, mr. presenter, mikhail skipsky , answers, please, mikhail, well, there is hope that these

three colors are black, brown and white, if black resists, there is a chance that he will run away, if he is brown, put him down. suddenly it will work out to deceive, but if the polar bear doesn’t help, this is a reminder for tourists in case of an encounter with a bear, mr. skipsky, mr. skipsky, well, can you imagine, yes, this question would come to you in the decisive round and you would win 6:00, well, we would have won, god forbid we win now, that’s it, so far 4:4, ninth round , mr. kozlov, in the two previous games the experts brought the matter to a score of 5:5, winning along the way 5:3 and even 5:2, and you we came in, as you

like, from the leeward side, and tell me why it’s happening, that they’re... leading, the teams lead, and then once again five five, and you somehow, and you always come in differently, what is this because of? you know, it just seems that it’s different, it’s long, of course, it may be, but i’ll say it briefly, they answered the test, the ponies figured it out in the last seconds, decided that they were already cool just like that, and two questions were simply merged at once , you know, i hope that, well , the dough, the dough was brought out, they said, the bread is really cool, blitz, no, well, they decided, i’m not saying that it’s actually like that, yes, they decided to blitz, 20 seconds of discussion for each, so that to earn a point, you need to answer three questions in a row. attention, question one. in europe they will say the bells are starting to ring. in australia they will say a horse is rubbing against a

veranda post, in japan they will remember an overturned stone lantern. elena safonova from novosibirsk. this is how an earthquake is described in different countries, mr. kozlov, you dealt with this question, and now two questions from the last game that maxim patashov’s team did not get to, there were riddles there,

maxim, that’s why the blitz continues, attention, question two, tatyanakha from brest, solve the indonesian riddle: a well in the air, a sea in the sky, inside a sinner of water , a cloud, a cloud, a cloud, and maybe, and this is all the same thing, the well in lists, a well in the air, maybe it’s by eye there is something like a whirlwind there, an eye, a voice with a tear, i don’t know, in the air in the sky, in the air in the sky. well , suppose it’s a cloud, a tiny bit of water in the cloud? but the trick of the water is that, this is

the top of the mountain covered with snow, and now attention, the correct answer, mr. patashov, and your team, as it were, answered this question, maybe a coconut, well, i don’t know, mr. patashov, a well in the air, a sea in the sky, inside with... this is an indonesian riddle about a coconut, which becomes 5:4, okay, mr. kozlov looked at everyone, in amazement, yes , that is, it was a question, what is the cover of water inside, and they answered in a cloud, tatyana shepetukha from bresst will receive 100,000 rubles from alfa bank, i don’t have enough faces of signs. at this moment i’m just interested in looking at them, here’s vladimir

antokhin, it’s time for you to join in, the score is already 5:4 in favor of the tv viewers, round ten, excuse me please, i want to ask mr. friends and mr. levin, we are not bothering you guys, no, we are discussing, you play very comfortably for them, loudly, so they talk with pleasure, full voice, andrey, you are talking to me , with great pleasure, attention, st. petersburg, alexander is playing against you. from inshakov from st. petersburg. mr. kozlov, andrey, you already know that in the 19th century

in england, boats along canals were pulled by horses. remember, you had a question, yes, with the bridge. yes, they even made special ones for this bridges. yes i remember. remember. let's continue the topic. on the regens canal, london, there are many tunnels four wide. up to several hundred meters long. will he introduce it? when the boat approached such a tunnel, the horses were unharnessed and the help of two specially trained people was sought. attention, the question is: how exactly did these people help the boats pass through this tunnel? along the walls they could have done it like this, the second was a rope to load somehow it sinks the boat and accordingly he can walk through it

and one pulls, the second pushes two people behind there are exactly two people, width 4:5, they could just not pull out a 100 m rope, 100 m or a rope that is somewhere in the boat, two people means one with each other by four - they pushed away, the boat itself is 4 m, but they can’t swim they could just swim and drag it if one, wait, if one is swimming in a boat, the second is just pulling, there are 100 m, the ferry is not 5 people, they cannot really move along the walls from both sides, with their hands, 4 m even for two, well, she might still be herself, maybe, that is, as it were, just sound so as not to turn around. we have the opportunity to take the help of the club and the last such opportunity in this game, i don’t know, dear iznataki, guests of our club, you

have 20 seconds to help the team, maybe a person, i ask for an answer, who will answer, first, who , i will answer, mr. kozlov, could you repeat the question you are answering, there is a canal in london, no, no, no, attention, the question is, what were these two people doing, how did they help move this boat, what question are you remember, right? fine, maybe someone from the team will help you, how

exactly these two participated, please unharness the horses. they couldn’t go anywhere, they could only get on the boat , they simply don’t have another option, because it’s a canal and it goes there, there are different possibilities, you can, for example, have a boat enough, for example, mr. kozlov, let’s take the answer, answer, for example, that you are so strict today. to such a tunnel, the horses were unharnessed and resorted to the help of two specially trained people, you tell me that they there was nowhere to go, well, of course, when the horses had already been unharnessed and they resorted to the help of two specially trained people, the boat had to be pulled in any case, yes, but in order to pull it since there are different options, you can,

for example, throw a load like anchors, one throws, the other... pulls and the boat moves, if the boat is wide enough, one can stand on one side, the other on the other, and push this boat along this channel like that, i would say that here who, how like it more, like it more, and now attention, the correct answer, mr. kozlov, of course, i often go through this with young teams, but when at the decisive moment you cannot... repeat the question that was asked to you, and the question was how exactly these people helped the boats pass this the tunnel, of course, to go through, but inside the tunnel not from the outside, yes, but there was a word to go through, which you did not pay attention to, and mrs. alexandrova, even in the first seconds, said to push with your hands, only to go through alena - this is not

with your hands, but with your feet, absolutely right. legs, attention, the correct answer, these people helped the boat literally go through the tunnel, literally go through, look at the screen, two people lay down across the boat and with their feet, what a difference it makes, they pushed off the walls of the tunnel, 6:4, this is unfair, mr. presenter, this is categorically unfair, everything becomes 6.4 in favor of tv viewers, please, at least in reality, what difference does it make with your hands? andrei kozlova is defeated this season for her it ends for me it ends forever sir i’m very sad to say this because it extremely unfair, there is injustice, but it’s just like

pushing off the wall with your feet or using your hands. my point of view, i agree with andrei kozlov, because the answer was correct, it can be interpreted one way or another, but from my point of view, that is, they said exactly how to get through, they said to push off from the tunnel with your feet, no, this is not was asked, i said to push away from the tunnel with your hands, as the most important thing, i said, when you look, you will be embarrassed, that’s exactly what i said. don't pass walking on your hands can also be walked on your hands, firstly, it’s also possible, secondly , for some with your feet, and for others with your hands, mr. presenter, this is completely unprincipled, and from the fact that in this picture it is drawn that they are walking do, this does not mean at all that the other couple did not do it with their hands, i am very uncomfortable, i don’t like such situations, but in this case you are simply committing a great injustice, that’s what i can

tell you, mr. presenter, okay, mr. kozlov, with one condition, if you didn’t say there, go through with your hands, go through, go through, and as you said, i said, we were touching the walls with our hands, you said we were touching the walls, now, stop the music, mr. kozlov, you said, either this way, then, as you like, either this way, or that way, exactly, and who likes to push off with their feet, this is exactly the point, okay, there can’t be a reception here, but someone lies like this and pushes off with their feet like that, if you did that, mr. kozlov, you would choose, i showed you 6:4 for the benefit of the tv viewers, all the best, mr. presenter, i’m very sad, very sad, because it is so unfair that there is not even anything to talk about, there is nothing to talk about at all, alexandrenko from novochebaktarsk will receive 1000 rubles for a question about ove yashina, andrei

preseshnyuk from rostov-on-don for a question about the conductor. tigran babayan from yerevan question about freckles. adam saidov dubayurt question about saddlebags. tatyakha from brest has a question. who will receive a crystal atom today? andrey kozlov will receive the crystal atom. mr. cheremisinov, well, this is actually some kind of disgrace, to be honest, schipsky was dragging out all the game, kozlov behaved indecently, and you give him a crystal atom, i categorically disagree with you, well, today. who will get the prize for the best question, well, i hope that at least everyone will agree with me, the best question will be a question for ova yashin, and he will receive 2000 rubles, 2000 rubles from

alfa bank, dear tv viewers, watch the final game of the autumn series on channel one next sunday october 22, right after the program time, and this game is over, thank you everyone for playing. nato is getting closer and closer to the borders of russia, despite verbal assurances that the alliance would not expand eastward. unfortunately, verbal promises do not carry any weight with formal agreements. deliveries of abrams tanks to kiev and promises to supply longer-range missiles only proved that the alliance is close to open conflict with

russia. what is the west seeking: a protracted war or the opportunity to sit down at the negotiating table? and what european politicians say about nato expansion in private conversations. we will talk about this today on the vavan ilexus show. our guests today are experts, a journalist, war correspondent, thomas roeper, political scientist, americanist, malik dudakov, writer, blogger and member of the public chamber, dmitry puchkov, deputy chairman of the state duma committee on economic policy mikhail delyagin. friends, hello, let's go. recently , nato secretary general en stolteng came to kiev and promised military assistance in the amount of 2.5 billion euros. however , stoltenberg's position has changed frequently over the

years; we had a conversation with him in 2017, we called on behalf of the then president ukraine petro poroshenko, that’s what jens stolteng told us then. american partners told me that our country can gain nato membership within two years, is this true? i think it's just a misunderstanding. ukraine must first ensure that it meets all the standards for its membership in nato, reach a certain level, and complete all reforms in order to apply for membership in nato. this has not been done so far. it was decided at the bucharest summit meeting in 2008 that ukraine would become future member of nato, but ukraine and nato have a common understanding that ukraine needs to go through a whole series of reforms, especially when we talk about the security sector, about corruption, about improving the judicial system, only then will ukraine be able to apply to become

a member of nato. this will take many more years. in addition, all members of the alliance, all 28 countries, must agree to this. we have to reach a consensus, and i don't see that being possible in the near future. that is, you now think that our ministry, officials. they do a lot, but their actions are not enough. the only thing that scares us is that russia can, as always, interfere in our cooperation. i am also concerned about russia's reaction, possible pressure from russia, possible interference in the affairs of your country. it is worth remembering that ukraine has generally sought to join the alliance since 2002. why should ukraine join nato? michael? count? well, first of all, it's fashionable. most importantly, for new members, the path to the european union lies only through nato. how can you tell when a western politician is lying? it's very simple,

his lips move. the path to eu grants, the path to eu money, the path to the acceptance of the ruling party in brussels and the opportunity to work as a junior clerk in brussels, and this is the dream of these people, lies. only through membership in nato, but not all members of the european union are members of nato, there are exceptions, of course, but these are neutral countries, in this conversation, stolteng is very much. carefully said that we somehow want to receive you, of course, but not now, you are not ready yet, you know, i could never imagine that in this the elderly norwegian herring has such a sparkling sense of humor, you need to be able to seriously talk to the ukrainian president about the fight against corruption and improving the judicial system, well, from my point of view , the wrong approach here is to consider that it is some kind of ukraine that wants to join nato, no ukraine doesn’t want to join nato, there is an elite group.

who derives personal benefit from this specifically for himself, for them, yes, it’s good what the citizens think there, it doesn’t interest anyone, well, as for ukraine, it was rightly noted here that in fact, right up until february 2022, any sociology showed that the majority of ukrainians were against joining nato. as for this whole agenda related to nato, we understand that for the ukrainian authorities this is a carrot that was dangled in front of ukrainian soldiers, listeners, for example, well, in general in front of ukrainian society and which, in general, they are forced to go forward, these constant counterattacks, then they promised us that if you reach the crimea, you will break through the land corridor and so on, here you will have a big bright nato future , which of course will not happen, if i were the ukrainians i certainly wouldn’t make a mistake, no one is going to accept them into nato in the coming years, much less into the european union. let's look at one of jens stolteng's latest statements. if putin wins in ukraine, then it will be his. the message to other authoritarian leaders will

be that they can use force to get their way, it will make the world more dangerous, it will make us more vulnerable. the kremlin is seeking to create a different a europe where russia will control its neighbors. what happens in europe today may happen in asia tomorrow. therefore, the war in ukraine demonstrates that security is not regional, but global, worldwide in nature. this is a terrorist organization, if you look at how it operates, and when its formal leader says that guys, if something doesn’t happen in europe, then the conflict will move to asia, this means that they are planning at least . in 2017, we

the nato assembly of paolo ali, called him talked with the parliamentary president on behalf of the then speaker of the verkhovna rada andrei parubiy. let's get a look. do you agree that ukraine can become a member state of the nato bloc? now there is panic about your possible alliance. implementation of the minsk agreements, therefore these two processes and preparations for them must go in parallel, because the mood on the part of the member countries depends on how successful the implementation of the minsk agreements will be, the president asks that we quickly launch the referendum process, i

i spoke not long ago with mr. secretary general of nato and he said that he does not yet see ukraine as a member of nato. and it seemed to us that the secretary general underestimated our capabilities, and we actually discussed the referendum that poroshenko was planning to hold in ukraine in those years, so that people there would speak out for or against the country’s joining the alliance. the most interesting thing is that no referendum took place. the video we watched talks about the conditions. is also compliance with the minsk agreements, here is mikhail, tell me please, someone planned for them to comply with these minsk agreements, if they were immediately violated, and ukrainian experts on russian television, from the moment these agreements were concluded, explained to our faces what all ukrainian and all western politicians later admitted, what is wrong with from the very beginning there was a fake letter, from the very beginning it was

done in order to deceive. this is a matter of honor, honour, valor and heroism, and i can imagine how amazed this grandfather was, who understands that he is a puppet, he understands that he is a sign, that his job is to make a beautiful, smart, wise expression on his face for the camera so that it is pleasant to look at, suddenly someone calls to him and talks to him seriously, and he painfully tries to remember, he is teaching this poor fellow, that is he himself believed that this was all true and that the minsk agreements would be respected , he didn’t believe, he didn’t believe, but it was supposed to make certain... sounds, well, of course, and he made them if he said something outside news, then tomorrow he will get sexy scandal, tax investigation, well, i don’t know, anything else, i remember all these years when the minsk agreements were in place, in russia there was definitely a good opinion of

mrs. merkel, which i am like a german who understands that she is there is actually doing, i could never understand, but only after her revelation in an interview that she never wanted to do it, russia is really trying to reach an agreement on... i don’t want to evaluate this, why does nato need war? as our president explained to contain the russian federations, training again by nato instructors took place, from the twenty-first year there were british bases, for example, in the same ochakov, in berdiansk, well , that is, the point is that they were already transferred to all this and simply did not have time to officially do it formalize everything, yes, but the fact remains a fact, this is a proxy conflict. the main ukrainian historical fake is almost 100 years old, all this was born... in the huge empire of the american media, why did us capitalists need the myth of the holodomor, this invention of ukrainian immigration was a special commission was created in the united states of america and began to artificially promote this topic. and what role did hitler’s rich friend play in this? hearst is

the founder of, essentially, the yellow press, while he was an ardent anti-soviet and a fugitive with forged documents. antifake, premiere, tomorrow on the first. emotions, use your brains, make a list, in your situation, you can’t trust anyone, what’s your cop? i wanted to talk to you, who are you? are you worried about fate? so answer me, just don't lie to me, this is a bomb that can blow up this damn scoop, stand, wait, wait, now we have two murders, we must

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premiere on saturday on the first. we continue this show of vavan and lexus and we talked about the fact that nato’s rhetoric towards ukraine was constantly changing, and the policy of the united states was also changing. henry kessinger, the former us secretary of state, also spoke about this issue in a private conversation with us when we told him called on behalf of the current president of ukraine vladimir zelsky. let's see. what do you think about our entry into nato? i was categorically against it when such a proposal was made, but now europe is fighting with russia over the issue of ukraine and they are determined to defeat russia. finland and the swedes join nato, but ukraine, which sacrificed so much, is not accepted into nato. and now i think that ukraine should be in nato. no matter what, i will support this decision. is it true that

secretary of state baker promised gorbachev not to expand, no, i know that this is true, but it was never recorded in writing, the fact that it was never recorded in writing, this means that there were no, naturally, you never know , what they told you in words, how to promise this does not mean getting married, from their point of view, all this should be documented. and if not, then yes, gorbachev, one might say , was fooled, well here, no, he was fooled, perhaps there is a small correction, the fact is that the comrade usually lies, and this was documented, on paper, because all conversations at this level, even all conversations of the minister of foreign affairs, are documented in a protocol, which is then signed, this protocol on our part, naturally, was liquidated during the catastrophe and glasnost,

so as not to leave traces and not to discredit michal sergeevich, on the american side, he stayed, and when the time came to declassify several years ago, they reported this, well, they reported, they washed themselves and moved on, just in this was discovered in the german archive, i think, at the beginning of twenty-two, literally before the start of a special military operation , but here is such a moment, of course, yes gorbachev, it was stupidity or treason, you can talk a lot, but on the other hand, you and i we understand very well that even if there were some beautiful, big agreement, and maybe even mr. baker , yes, a representative of the bush senior administration, would agree to implement all this, yes, but several years would pass, and the administration in washington would change , came again and really liberal hawks came in the person of bill clinton, madeline will take over everyone else and they could simply trample this agreement, refuse it, as the americans later refused many other agreements, well, the americans generally threw out such agreements,

yes there, yes, almost everything , well, start, by the way, a printout of these negotiations, in my opinion, baker’s publications, yes, about what was really promised, but these were also probably semi-official conversations, as soon as we began to believe them, they started us to deceive, because if you don’t believe you understand who you are dealing with, you cannot be deceived, we were just now discussing the agreements between baker and and becker - this was the secretary of state under bush the elder. and accordingly, bush the elder is no longer alive, but his son, also the president of the united states, bush jr., is alive. let's see. you didn’t want to take russia into nato, did you? no, i wanted her to be on the edge of nato for a while, but then putin changed. all he wanted was to stay on the edge of nato to control what nato

not an offensive alliance. this is a war of the western world against the russians. of course, russia was offended that nato began to expand, this is a problem for them, so they started it. i 'm talking about self-determination of the dpr and lpr, which i always felt there should be. for them, this is very indicative, while they are in office, they are watching their speech, as soon as they leave, you can immediately tell, as for the statements of bush junior, i am completely convinced that he thinks so, given that i will remind him in front of him, yes was nato's largest expansion in history, in 2008, again at the end of bush’s presidency, there was this very bucharest conference, where ukraine was promised, as in georgia, by the way , membership in nato, they simply didn’t have time, yes, there was no opportunity then, there would have been an opportunity, if they then, of course, would have carried it out, then the west is certainly gradually weakening, and its position is beginning to waver, the global south and

other countries are gradually becoming stronger, so sooner or later they will have to be taken into account. america, the usa, is actually built like a mafia state, whoever is stronger is right, but how can we scare them, by force, we scare them already, if i can say, as a german, i can say we, we scare them already by the fact that the deep south is going over to the side of russia, well , including the global south, the west itself is nobody , he lives, his system lives by neo-colonism, colonialism, asia, even latin america, we see this, that the west is afraid of what is global. china and russia are going over to the side, this is what they are afraid of, well , all this time we have been discussing how western partners treat ukraine, we also raised this issue with the former, but president, petro poroshenko, and we asked how he felt about the minsk agreements, but do you agree that

it was impossible to implement the minsk agreements? i needed the minsk agreements to get at least 4 years. to form the ukrainian armed forces to organize the ukrainian economy and train the ukrainian military together with nato to create the best armed forces in eastern europe, which were formed under nato standards. what does this statement even mean? it can be twofold: firstly, he’s most likely just lying to indicate his own importance, and if he’s not lying, then what’s there to hide? yes, i want to join nato, i’ll join, i’ll train the military, i’ll get weapons. there is a very interesting document called the military doctrine of ukraine, under poroshenko it was rewritten so that the goal is to achieve, in principle , nato standards by the twentieth year, more or less it worked out, then zelsky signed a new document in march twenty, in which it was written, introduction nato , including yes, forces to return crimea to ukraine, to

to some extent, negotiations are underway so that some part of the territory can be exchanged, but ukraine. in fact, not to be fully included in the alliance, well, that’s how it is, yes, it was kisinger who proposed this formula, he called it a balance of dissatisfaction, which means that russia will be dissatisfied with the fact that part of ukraine will be accepted into nato, nato and the west will be dissatisfied with the fact that it will have to come to terms with territorial concessions, that is, it is clear that some of the elites in the west are ready for this, another thing is that, firstly, we are not ready for this ready in the current form, in the form in which they offer us, there was a promise to sweden that sweden would join nato soon. but there is one thing there, this is a confrontation with turkey, because there are certain contradictions, finland recently , as we know, entered this alliance in april, and sweden is still freezing, we talked with the foreign ministers of denmark, sweden, just recently, fresh, yes, and we decided to find out at what stage the process

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let's take a look. ukraine prepared this way the so-called peace formula, which has 10 points, but as it seems to me, this is my personal opinion, the outline of the offensive is not going as successfully as we expected, so we are not talking about politics, we are talking about reality, unfortunately, the ukrainian counter-offensive is advancing not very fast yet. i had a meeting with my ambassador to ukraine. and he complained about finland in connection with the supply of f18 aircraft and asked me the following question: how likely is it? that finland will supply f-18 aircraft in the future, could this change significantly

the course of the armed conflict and the positions of the parties? yes, we supply ukraine with as much equipment and technology for defense and military needs as we can. it must be said that, among other things, finland borders on russia. from the soviet union. being a neighbor of russia, we have always invested very heavily in the defense of our country, because we live next to such an unpredictable and sometimes aggressive neighbor. that's why we have one of the strongest armies in europe. and we are happy to contribute to supporting ukraine as long as it necessary. and now. we note that since not all european countries have traditionally invested such a large amount of funds in defense and military equipment, some of them are experiencing difficulties in providing military

assistance to ukraine. as for the f-18, some northern european countries, denmark and sweden have expressed their readiness to transfer some of their fighters to ukraine. probably the process of transferring fighters. for several months, if not more, unfortunately, finland cannot now transfer its fighters, because we also have obligations to nato, we must defend their own border, the length of our border with russia is 1300 km, by the way, we talked with the minister of foreign affairs, which is very interesting on behalf of one of the american politicians, so we are talking about the importance of the global south, which she would happily, it would seem, finland and africa, yes and but she happily tells everything, everything as it is, so she talks

about how ukraine has prepared a peace formula, which consists of some points, what kind of ukrainian peace formula is this, which should be presented to us for an important point, there is exactly one, russian troops are leaving the liberated people, who will discuss this, why, i don’t understand at all, no one is even discussing this. it won’t be at all, since she is a citizen from finland, we have had all kinds of relations with finland for quite a long time, it’s true, our 1,000 km border is huge, it’s always calm on this border, because no one goes there, however, she says something else , that there is a feeling that she is promoting a political point of view and lies when she lies, starting with the fact that they were forced to defend themselves from us, finla... in the city of leningrad, it was fonleya from the south,

monergame was on top, they killed a million people, is it true that they are increasing their military power like this, finland, there is nothing to build up there, it is impossible, in order to build up, it argues with ukraine, it also has the strongest army in europe, it says that it can also talk to it. people, like in st. petersburg, what powerful things do they have there, where, what? in general, as for ukraine, well , they will put planes there, who will fly them? will be, and finland never had a serious military industry, because it didn’t need it, finland had a militia for every rainy day, but since the relations with us were trade and were good, there was even the term finnishization of europe in the seventies, it was it’s just not necessary, unlike sweden, where there is sap

, where they produce their own fighter... in finland this is not the case, she doesn’t care what to talk about, it’s important that it’s on the agenda, that it ’s correct, about, statements and ukraine's peace plan, i remind you that initially there were three main points, but this is really reaching the borders of the ninety -first year, and the international tribunal - two and the payment of reparations from russia three, this was what they presented in the twenty-second year , recently zelsky spoke at the un general assembly, that is, he removed the second third point, no more nureng and no reparations, well , at least from ukraine, but only the border of 91, and as for finland, of course, yes, it itself is not capable build up their military industry or military machine to such a level that they seriously threaten us, but firstly , nato bases may be located there, by the way, the current government has already stated that they will most likely be there,

a nato base will most likely be located there aviation and the americans are already preparing for this, so that is, we certainly don’t need to engage in indoctrination, yes, their military expenses, in my opinion, will increase by several billion euros, well, not much, but no less, they will reach more or less 2%, but of course, the fact that our nato border is now expanding by 1.00 km is a fact, and as for all the military and russophobic hysteria, but we need to somehow explain to our population , why are things so bad in the economy, yes, because finland, as we know, like the baltic states, by the way, and partly poland have suffered the most from the current sanctions wars with russia, and we also have sweden, which is also striving to join nato , but unlike finland, it is not doing well. let's see our conversation with the swedish foreign minister, also from one of the african politicians. oh, what a handsome guy. i must say that although the nato issue is of course of paramount importance for the security of sweden. let's go back to the summit in vilnius, when president erdogan and the turkish

republic announced that they were going to. but i don't think turkey is going to block our entry into nato, primarily because of the burning of the koran, we have been very clear about this, may i mention a few words regarding the burning of scriptures, including the koran, this happened, as you know, in sweden and the government fully understands that muslims in sweden, in african member countries, and throughout the world, are deeply offended by this. we have freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom of expression, and also freedom of demonstration, the police give the right to demonstrate, within the framework of this right to demonstrate, within the framework of this permission, you can exercise such

a right, and of course, in the statement made. .. i believe that this should also be emphasized, our application, of course, is, as i said, of great importance for sweden, but we understand that there are other things that also play a role, first of all, of course, the sale of defense equipment between the usa, turkey and greece, it was interesting, it does not speak about what was agreed upon with erdogan in venuya, yes, erdogan is still waiting for the swedes to hand over those whom erdogan considers terrorists, the european union made, as it were, a promise again, ok, easier visa regime with turkey against the backdrop of nato and sweden, there was another question, a migration plan, a migration plan , there was also a question of the world bank, yeah, erdogan received money, but did not

ratify anything, so erdogan was at this summit and this swedish minister understands from japan what they agreed on, only erdogan gave the go-ahead, but what should i do, i forgot, a very interesting position, those whom the turks consider terrorists in sweden are serious internal swedish politicians. erdogan’s position, as we see, yes, was that i myself gave the go-ahead, but there is also the turkish parliament, the issue of sweden is certainly on the table, as we know, the ruling coalition approved the extradition of some. but then the supreme court of sweden got in the way, which said that you see, they cannot be extradited either, so there are such institutional obstacles, and of course, the position of the americans is important, and in general the burning of the koran is the key factor here, can it? it can serve as a barrier to entry, i think that partly yes, perhaps it will still be accepted, but of course there are many obstacles, well, as for sweden, we we understand, yes, that the country has been conducting joint exercises with nato for a long time, has switched to nato standards and so on, well, again, i

doubt that this will happen, ukraine can be accepted into nato in parts, the chernoit region, romania, but only part of the territory claimed by poland, poland, this is possible, but we would like to. probably on a positive note, we have one more fragment, this is just our conversation with george w. bush, jr., we talked with him on behalf of president zelsky , in the end we decided probably to play out, well, one might say , probably such a miniature, introducing ourselves as his colleagues, ukrainian pilots who wanted to communicate with him via video link, which we actually did, asked very important questions. yesterday i met with our heroes of ukraine, they fought on the information front, and then they were drafted into the ukrainian army, they are pilots like you, they beat up many russian planes, i wanted to reward them, but they refused, they said no, they

said, please let me talk to president buj, they say we will fans, he really did a lot in his presidency, they are my good friends, if you don’t mind, i will connect them and you tell my friends to connect them already. so vavan and lexus. oh, hi. hello, mr. president. hello guys, how are you? we are fighting for our independence. well, i'm very proud of you. yes, we are pilots just like you. like this, like this. so tell me , american, what is the strength? is it in money? yes, no, yes, that's right. i believe that strength lies in truth, whoever has the truth is stronger, here you are deceived someone, made money, do you think i understand you, because i don’t understand, just

feel it in your heart, i feel it, i feel your passion, because there is no truth behind you, i feel your passion every day, just feel what we are trying to express, i feel it, but it’s more. don’t give up, the truth is with you, the truth with us, yes, she is with you and zelensky, i told zelsky that he is like winston churchill, yes, he is great, he is like monica levinsky, he appreciated the military buffoon, okay, guys, we had a great conversation, take care of you, thank you big. thank you, glory to russia, well, he was much more interested in communicating with us than with zelensky, that is, baker is some kind of extension of nato, why, i’d rather laugh at the jokes, at zelensky, but this is another

illustration of what really western politicians don’t care what to say, he doesn’t know what the glory of vavan and lexus is, but he knows what the glory of russia is, violet to him. well, on this positive note, i suggest moving on to quality music, thank you for watching us, we 'll see you soon.

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there is strength. greetings, friends, this is a podcast of the chronicle of the end times, my name is evgeniy dodalev and today i will tell you about how changes were made at my suggestion. into the administrative code of the soviet union. it happened completely by accident, i at some period he was unemployed, and it was impossible to be unemployed in the soviet union. there was a norm in the criminal code, in my opinion, article 209, according to which tunyatsev, that is, people who were not registered or worked anywhere, could be imprisoned. and, i am a mathematician by training, and my friend worked in the moscow komsomolets newspaper, and was the host

of the famous soundtrack section. and he told me, well, why are you even bothering about work, you write something there anyway, and we all wrote poetry there and some pseudo-scenarios, and i got a job at a newspaper, uh, received this moscow komsomolets certificate, since i was not burdened, firstly, with a specialized education, i repeat, i am a mathematician by training, and secondly, i was completely unaware of any existing then taboos, prohibitions, then i became just like an akyn who sings about what he sees, i began to write about what was personally interesting to me, no one gave me any tasks, uh, in fact, because the only thing there was not i know how it is now, it was necessary to produce a certain number of lines, and so, i kept surprising my colleague all the time, i said, let’s interview galina ... brezhneva is all like this: wow, like

galina leonidovna herself, a soviet princess, daughter of the former secretary general, but i didn’t understand what the problem was, why you can’t try to interview anyone, and in fact, we are approaching that moment, which , well, in my journalistic biography, became to a certain extent a turning point for thousands of thousands of women employed in the body trade industry, especially since we are talking about prostitutes already, or rather about the now forgotten word prostitute, this word was used to call currency prostitutes , that is, those girls who worked with foreigners, prostitution was not prohibited, because officially it simply did not exist, there was no such shameful phenomenon of a capitalist society in the country, because that the country was socialist, in moscow also, well... if we are talking about the disadvantages of the soviet system, the catering was very bad, it was

pennies, very cheap, but let’s say, you could drink good italian coffee, well, three... four places in moscow, currency exchange ones, and it just so happened that next to the editorial office of the moscow komsomolets on 1905 street, it is still there to this day next to the building in which it was in the mid -eighties, and we are now talking about eighty-six, so there was a so-called kontik, this is what is now called an international trade center, in my opinion. uh , an international hotel, then it was called the continental hotel, and you could drink coffee there, real coffee, the entrance there was closed, simple mortals, like all foreign exchange places, but not for journalists, i and my former classmates, also mathematicians, went there to drink uh, coffee, in this kind of atrium

that existed in this kontik, at any time of the day, right from morning until later in the evening, there were uh girls sitting there, who couldn’t help but attract attention, well, because , well, due to the presentation, the neckline, the short skirts, naturally, it would be simply insulting, it seems to me, in relation to girls in general, if did not try to communicate with them and somehow get to know each other, they quickly explained to us that if there is currency, no, no questions, right there, in general , you can get to know each other as closely as you like, and the girls and i became friends, they turned out to be, in general, for the most part , since i will repeat myself, i usually wrote about what was interesting to me, well, this phenomenon interested me, i decided to write it later, sketched it out, took everything to the secretariat, well, i heard from the executive secretary there

a question rhetorically, are you crazy, well , let's just say it sounded different, but the message was: well, i was stunned, i was so stunned, in general, i didn’t take the material, the paper was government-issued, i went to work there on something else, but some thought struck the secretariat and uh, senior comrades, not so much senior by age, as well as by rank, the secretariat did something clever with this material, and finally it came out, the material was called night hunters, although it was originally called moths. and there was such a huge code, that is, from the editors, this is where it starts, from the editors it takes up, well, a quarter of the material, and there and so and so in this material, they said that such a word cannot be pronounced, and there is such a shameful thing, then boom, there is just a letter combination

prostitute, that is, the word cannot be pronounced, but they said it, because as i understand it, there are a huge number of people there, the rule is material , that is, he went to stations , someone basically called a spade a spade, this material came out, the next day , when i arrived at the editorial office, literally half an hour later the editor-in-chief invited me, i came to his office to pasha , him in the eyes of course, no one called him pasha, everyone was behind pavel nikolaevich, but behind his back they called him pasha, so pasha had two people in civilian clothes sitting with him. well, what did you finish chewing on? well, again, he didn’t say exactly that, but the meaning of such a question was, and portraying such anger, severity and such dissatisfaction, but by such cheerful sparkles in his eyes, i realized that not everything is so bad, that lubyaku

no one will take me away now. in general, these were two officers, a mayor and a colonel, as they introduced themselves, they said that they were very interesting article, but you are very right, however, there are nuances, the fact is that they did not care about the security officers at all, this whole moral aspect, uh, they were very interested in such a purely utilitarian aspect, they were from the department that fought against illegality turnover of currency, the currency could not be stored, had, or used, they said that they were completely fed up with the situation with the turnover... of currency, that they were being asked to fight , but there was a whole cohort - these prostitutes who take this currency, and they turned her around, therefore, and something needs to be done about it, they said that they would help, first of all, they would introduce her to the girls who would tell

me what i couldn’t hear from them while drinking coffee in the atrium, by the way, they knew about that peetya and i. we visit there often. there is an important nuance that in these hotels, such as the national, on gorkovogo street, the current one, tverskaya, kontik. continental also in all these other institutions, there, for the position of doormen, people who stood at the so -called gates were hired exclusively veterans, uh, security forces, that is, people from the special services, this is no less, a police major, there must have been a person in his previous life, well, or a state security captain, no less, but who, of course, there are no retirees. they there and naturally continued to cooperate with their somehow departments and reported something there, as it turned out,

as it turned out, and from this conversation, they said that they would provide the so -called invoice, and the invoice, by the way, was impressive, they brought it, let's say there telephone bills, uh, girls, uh, which were in development , there telephone bills, let’s say they were 3,000, 2,000 rubles per... month, the salary of an engineer there was 120 rubles, 150, there the editor-in-chief of a magazine or newspaper received 250 , and here just for telephone conversations, well, it’s clear that international, with clients, that is, this impressed me, absolutely, when i looked at these printouts, i was like, wow, interesting, let’s work . the main ukrainian historical the fake is almost 100 years old. all this was born in the vast empire of the american media. why

did us capitalists need the myth of the holodomor? this is an invention of ukrainian immigration; a special commission was created in the united states of america and it began to artificially promote this topic. and what role did hitler's rich friend play in this? hearst is essentially the founder of the yellow press. at the same time, he was an ardent anti-soviet and a fugitive. criminal with fake documents, anti-fake, premiere, tomorrow on the first. gin sheaf, a product of stelar group. a girl died, it looks like she was killed, just like your husband, you can do whatever you want from me, someone threatened your husband. tell me right away, what do you want from me? we need to find out where the manuscript is. sergei bezrukov, in

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continue experiments, testing their famous father’s elixir on themselves. we are very determined to complete this work. death was invented by evolution for its own acceleration; death is not necessary for living beings. exclusive with dmitry borisov, premiere on saturday on the first. so they arranged a date for me, it was just in the national with the girls who were told that they needed to talk to the zhurik, and this was an offer in which they could not refuse, i didn’t ask questions, why the hell, they are franking with me, this happened in no way, not in the forehead, not in a share, just in a hotel room, because in every hotel there were these types of recruiting...

apartments, not apartments, points, with eavesdropping equipment, and so on, by the way, a little aside, i then, after being a member of the moscow komsovo, soon moved to the first private soviet newspaper, which was created by yuliana semyonovich, it was called top secret, i was the first full-time employee of the whole, here is our the editorial office, so-called... as they called it, it was located on kalinin street, on kalinin avenue, now it’s a new airbat, in the building where the melodia store is... on the ground floor, just in one of the recruiting apartments, then there are apartments where prostitutes worked, where they brought in those clients who had to be promoted and developed for the benefit of the special services, but this , by the way, is a separate, separate story, uh, that is, they dumped me with invoices, they said that they really needed to make an emphasis , precisely on

the currency, they were interested in in order to somehow legitimize this... turnover, that is, so that the laws would not be so strict, because anyway it was impossible to fight this, therefore some kind of liberalization of the legislation was required from their point of view, i was always in favor liberalization, at least absolutely absolutely at that stage, so i was somewhat embarrassed that i was like, well, there were special services there, security officers, well, i was so young, of course, a fool, so i somehow, easily got into the habit, type. why, they said, we won’t interfere at all, we gave the invoice, so it’s important for us that this be heard, but in general we won’t read the material, but only in the newspaper, when it comes out , well, i’m like, well, if that’s the case, then there are no questions at all, so, well, that means i started writing this material , well, how to dictate, he dictated so much that it didn’t fit on a newspaper page, before in the soviet

union materials the size of an entire newspaper page were not practiced, there was simply no such format, this was in no way possible, well, only if it was materials from the next congress of the com- parties that were on the front page, and for it to be some kind of newspaper publication, an essay, a report, no, this , well, it was simply not allowed, so, i created material of exactly this volume, and the editorial board decided that it would publish this material in two parts, there half a stripe in one issue and in the next issue another half-lengths, white dance, the name, i was very proud that i came up with such a name, like white dance, there ladies are invited, gentlemen, there were portraits, well, as in the sense, reportage portraits are described, very

specific , the character of these girls, some of them, i was impressed by one mother, whose daughter vika was 15 years old, how she, in her own words, put her on skis, that is, prepared her for prostitution, for prestigious prostitution, uh, of course, this may surprise a lot of people, but in fact, prostitutes, precisely currency prostitutes, we are not talking about those who worked there at train stations or somewhere else, but prostitutes are just like force workers, they were, to a certain extent, the soviet elite, they communicated uh, with the same golden youth, they communicated - with famous people, and again there with the same bohemian, in general it was not shameful, well, in general there is a lot of money , this is something and that means, in a stupid time, by the way,

there was a joke, many of you probably heard it, that when. .. they detain a prostitute during work , they bring her to a stronghold, they ask the opera, how can it be that i look at your file, your mother is a ballerina in the past, your father is actually a member of the academy, and you have become a prostitute, how can this be, he says, well, i ’m just lucky, i’ll repeat them everyone, uh , they were welcomed, they knew, but i mean like that so-called centers, that means there were a lot of what the girls told me, of course, i couldn’t reproduce in the material , i was very impressed there, by the way, i still have these audio recordings, if on these dictaphone cassettes, they didn’t crumble and didn’t turn into powder , many things surprised me, i asked karin there, as i remember now, one of them was,

what will you do if, well, they shoot you? for this matter, she said, we will raise the price tag, quite calmly, she said she, that is, that is, the tariffs will simply change, by the way, it’s an amazing thing that those girls with whom we met in the atrium and those girls with whom the security officers brought me together, if we talk about the feminine component, about attractiveness, this there was nothing special, that is, they were not some kind of bomb spherical beauties , the presentation there was good, they dressed... expensive and unusual, that is, they were not from the tssuma gum, in principle, in terms of texture, they were the same, well, in general completely ordinary here. simpler

as you remember the soviet one, such a frosya, these frosyas - they just went with a bang, and these are the christ-like understanding of beauty, they were there, well, four plus, by the way, what naturally was not included in the material were the girls’ reviews about the clients themselves , because there also existed completely different categories, for example, but they really didn’t like the finns, they, because the finns came to the soviet union, they had something like prohibition there then, well, in general , they drank very heavily, that is got drunk in a pig, and, of course, drunk clients, this is generally not always the case. that is, get a lulie there or leave the room with a broken jaw and have no one to complain to, you won’t go to the police station there, the police say that i

messed up the contacts here and i broke my jaw there, they were afraid of the eastern ones from the most different , so to speak, moments they adored the japanese , a japanese is just a dream, by the way there was one there, i remember, but it’s very, this is very interesting, olga japanese, she, uh, not only worked with the japanese, she married a japanese woman who came here for work and lived in this kontik, and caused a wild burning in everyone’s possessions, because she didn’t have to pay 10 rubles to go to the hotel, but then she just settled there like, well, like in the buffet, she just had everything, everything was at hand, by the way she had the opportunity to dump , that is... she lowered the fee there a little, that is, she didn’t work for 100 dollars, but there for 30 to 50, she just walked along the floors of this condo, knocked on the door like a service room there, like, would

you like a massage there or relax there, here why did the japanese love the japanese? they were generous, very polite, and there were all sorts of nice things, like gifts and treats. that is, it was a desirable one, the client was japanese, they loved the french and italians, why, because they were gallant and married them very often, but in general getting married is this, but this is the highest point of putana’s career, that is, this is what much later, it was realized in the film beauty, that is, with richard gere and julia roberts, this is the dream of every prostitute, to find such a one. gira, a person who appreciates,

will love, not only because the chest is high, and there is a sense of humor, but he will see a person , sleep, by the way, they loved to communicate with us, because we saw in them only people, not women, well, i mean for their intended purpose, they were not used, so all these details, i set this price at 100 dollars, for which the prostitutes were very grateful to me, as it later turned out, because 100 dollars was the price tag, that is, this there was a tariff with which they started, naturally, that there was 50 dollars per blow, as they call it, it’s not overnight, it’s per strike, that’s what they called it. i don’t know what it’s called now, but in the morning it’s already over 30, that is, if they were sitting in this atrium already , well, damn, well, i’m already ready to go to sleep, and

the doorman, who received his ten, left his shift, the ten needs to be given to the new one, all the restaurants are closed, to begin with they worked in restaurants, they were supported by waiters who simply brought a bottle of champagne. and some promising guests of the establishment could simply be told that these are the girls they are interested in you, they smile, well, that, or they could just sit at a table, by the way, in the soviet union, there was also such a thing as you couldn’t come to a restaurant and just sit at a table and sit at it, they could sit you at that table anyone, if there were no free tables, or they were being mischievous. there is a waiter, it was the same with hotels, by the way, that is, it was impossible to rent an entire room in a hotel, where they could put anyone in the hotel, if not a girl, by the way, so these

nuances, when we now remember about the soviet union, we remember the obvious good things, in general the advantages of that system and a lot of positive aspects , such as free education, free housing, free medicine, we forget about such things that in everyday life really bothered us a lot, uh, so in general, in the morning , and there the price tag dropped to 30 dollars, but not lower, if the price tag dropped below 30 dollars, then it was possible to snatch people away from their friends, that is, they could be punished very harshly for dumping, instructions for users on how to keep their liver healthy, on beans, why soy milk is better than cow's milk, vibes of love, is it true that perfumes with pheromones will help you attract a man, the program to live healthy answers all

questions. tomorrow at the first, what kind of idiot even wrote this letter, and what a cool, cool kostya kinch, they really could have imprisoned him, because rock musicians were imprisoned, if roman kostamarov had not been a famous legendary athlete, you would have fought for him exactly the same volume, any celebrity entering the shock hall will end up on the same bed, on the same ekmo machine, the same apparatus and we do not have any division, consideration of the case of camilla valia. of course, they want geniuses like her, because she is truly a genius, they want this to be born in their countries, because if we have it in our country, we will always defeat them, any person who wants adequately assess the present, of course, must know history, now they don’t ask , it was you who flew into space, now they say it was you who starred in the film, the challenge is different for me, they tell me, well, it was you who flew with yuli, i say, no, it’s strange, it looks like it,

i say, you flew into trouble. i know that you recently had a very difficult accident, i flew from the back seat to the front, i have a concussion, a man got into a standing accident at a speed of 110, he did not brake at all. podcast lab, all nights with you. this is a podcast chronicling the end of times, and i, evgeniy dodolev , talk about how, at the suggestion of my journalist, changes were made to the soviet administrative code. union, so, in there was, the price tag was indicated, in the article, and uh, girls, then, after the release, 19 november, 1986, came out, this white dance in the newspaper moskovsky komsomolets, and they made a photocopy of this newspaper publication, and during showdowns and trading trades with clients,

they simply said, well, they write in the newspapers, this is the price of 100 dollars, like this that in this sense some were grateful to me, well, except for those, alas, of course, whom i mentioned in the publication, on november 19, as i said, on november 20, uh, the second part of the essay of the same size, in half a page, was laid out, and the newspaper didn't come out because after - in the morning they delivered a newspaper to the kiosks with the first part of the white dance, a big bang began, and not only at the lubyanka, it turned out that at the lubyanka, as i said, people from the moscow administration talked to me, there was also a central administration, and there were people who we worked with girls in a completely different profile, in general, a wild dance began there, a wild dance began in

the management, then they arrived, an instructor from the central committee arrived on the day the newspaper was published, the next day, when i arrived at the so -called trampling, this is at 9 or at 10 am, there was such a thing, well, like a redollegium where tasks were handed out. for the day, here is the entrance to the courtyard of the publishing house, this publishing house was called moskovskaya pravda, evening moscow was published there, moskovsky komsomol members on the third floor, on the fifth floor the editorial office of moskovskaya pravda, into the courtyard, a taxi could not enter, because the whole courtyard was closed, here parked there were these black volzhankas, all different ones, from the elite of the soviet union. well, if

we’re not talking about the politburo and the top leadership there, who drove seagulls, they basically drove black volgas. and the security officers had volgas with forced engines, which... or like ordinary gas, in fact, could develop completely different ones, moreover, they even had automatic transmissions, and which no one had heard of in the soviet union, in those days, in any case, and the whole yard was packed with these cars, there were cars from the city committee, cars from the lubyanka, and from the central office, from the moscow administration, in general there was a very serious bems, quickly there, as i understand it, the editor-in-chief explained that, in fact, the material in a certain sense sanctioned, because the moscow department of the kgb was interested in raising the issue

of illegal currency transactions, but naturally, the authorities went nuts about this ideological aspect, because i repeat, there was no official prostitution. moreover, there are no currency prostitutes, so in general the image of morality was trawled, all that stuff, and i wasn’t even invited to this meeting, of course, who am i, here ’s some kind of reporter, so, but it was noisy there, people came out, came, well, everyone there was wondering what would happen, whether the newspaper would be closed, whether it would be replaced editor-in-chief, what the situation would be like, but the end of times had already come, the end of times had already come, the system was collapsing, the system was cracking, everyone understood that they couldn’t live like this any longer, and it became clear that, uh, so to speak, this movement would end, well

for journalists, in any case, uh, in such a rather desirable way, in the sense, uh , in the sense of freedom of speech in the sense of opening some new horizons, in short, i was only in the evening... uh, they called me, it was on the day of the release they said that tomorrow you were just waiting for it, that’s it, they added a newspaper is closing, the newspaper will not be published tomorrow, but it was such a troll, there was no term then, but i understand it was practiced in any case in the journalistic environment in full growth, but the newspaper will not be published, they told me, and indeed the decision was made to somehow finalize this second part, because it was naturally announced to be continued, the next day, when the newspaper was november 20, 1986, when the newspaper was not published, there were already queues, as i was told from 6 in the morning at the newsstands there, moscow again, as i was told they told me, i began to seethe, i didn’t know this, because i was fighting among my colleagues about taking my name off, well, i was like, well,

i was a fool, then since there were a lot of some kind of ideological cliches, they crammed it in, i included this in myself , not... a journalist, he said, take off my last name, my last name won’t be under this, under this garbage, well, then when i realized that in general there is no method against scrap, i tried these paragraphs at least somehow, well, somehow... then it is clear to me in my own language, rewrite it, all this was sent, stated, i don’t know where, i just don’t even have any idea where it was sent for approval, in general, somewhere within 24 hours this material... was finalized, pasha, pavel nikolaevichev, walked around cheerfully, many years later, a very famous colleague of mine, the journalist wrote that from a city newspaper, this publication turned

a moscow newspaper into a newspaper of a union scale , in short, somehow they put the squeeze on this second part of the white dance, it came out accordingly, in november, after that it began, my phone at home , mobile phones there were no mobile phones it was, there was an editorial telephone, i was at home, i was so completely out of myself in general, it was , you know, according to e 15 minutes of glory, these 15 minutes of glory were then actually, well, the first, let's say, 15 minutes, here i am i gave interviews, there i met all the journalists accredited in moscow, i arrived, they even shot a whole film about it, i was immediately invited somewhere, to go somewhere, to do an internship, later i did go to do an internship at the new york times company, not at a newspaper, new york times, to the california

branch where they organized, here are the raids on brothels, this is my, my, my curator, californian, who... how girls actually work in america. later, much later, i was offered to write a script for a film, which later became known as. intergirls, but the script was not mine, then i generally basked in the glory of fame, relatively speaking, and had absolutely no intention of converting what had fallen on me into something material, maybe into a new job or into a new status, say, a screenwriter, but i just lived , today, well, that , that, that november day, became desired i'm a guest there in moscow.

living rooms, so-called, there is such a term, i met a lot of people, naturally they suggested that i develop this topic, it was not interesting, although later i wrote an essay there for the magazine shift, i later went on to work, on that very shift, because they i was paid there five times more than in the moscow komsomolets, still not as much as prostitutes, even if we are talking about 100 dollars per night for the so-called blow to the hour at the black rate it was 400 rubles 400 rubles it was a salary of 400 500 rubles was the salary of a general or an academician, or i don’t know which people’s artist of the ussr i don’t know the director of which theater , that is, it was a lot by the way, after that the meeting of the cpsu central committee was closed and it was decided to make changes to the administrative

code of the soviet union, it was indicated there , that such a phenomenon has now existed since the eighth of the sixth year, there is a punishment for it, some kind of fine - 250 rubles. if we are talking about moscow prostitutes of the late eighties, whom i... remember, they everyone was a very good company, they were girls, usually with a sense of humor, as a rule they were women who understood how life works, knew what they wanted from men and from life in general, yes, they were there, if we are talking about moral aspects, in general there were scoundrels there, they could set them up, they could betray someone from their competitors, well, besides, as you

found out, many of these girls, they worked as if in interests of the country, in principle, this is world practice, not only in in the soviet union, i had a friend, by the way, i even have a photograph that was taken by my friend, from that time, a very promising scientist kostya ernst, whom you know, maybe as konstantin ernst, here is nikita, i don’t know what he is is engaged now, but on tour he, no, no, he was not a pimp, he was a liaison, this is a person who recruited, a prostitute for work, let 's say, the law enforcement agency, and i... i just know several episodes of such significant, let's say

so, significant for world politics, when uh, nikita’s wards served in general the benefit of the fatherland, so in principle, not everything was so simple on the tour, of course, i was very much reproached, because a year or two later there was a survey of anonymous high school students in lening and the high school students, many high school girls said that they wanted to become prostitutes, just referring to this profession, and they believed that it was my fault that i popularized this craft, i categorically do not accept these reproaches, in principle, many years later i read from leonid afonsky in his victory anthology, the concept of my material, which i didn’t think of, i really appreciate his assessment, i won’t bog you down with

details now, you can find it yourself on the internet, ofotsky’s victory anthology, he explained to me there what i wrote about, why i wrote, i felt like john lenn at that moment, john lenon once gave an interview to rolling stone magazine, and he said that what he liked most was reading reviews of his songs to find out what exactly was meant, so many years later i... .. knew about the end times about what i meant while working for the moskovsky komsomolets newspaper in the late eighties, it was a podcast chronicling the end of times, my name is... minor discussions about loneliness, hope and despair, unhappy love and experiences

that will resonate in the soul of every person can be considered these songs are like an expression of the russian sad soul. hello, today we have gathered with thoughts about russian rock, as a cultural phenomenon about the spiritual search of russian musicians. hello, dear friends, vyacheslav, alexey belov. i am very glad to see you. that, what i read was from a modern article dedicated to russian rock. yes. as a warm-up question, i would like to ask you how ready you are with this. i would say that my aspirations now are still to talk about happy love more than about unhappy love, but you are talking about now, in principle, if we can say, this is how the author of this article believes that a large segment of rock compositions - this is the expression

of the russian sad strangling nikolaevich, well, in some ways he’s right, of course, because it’s her, this. says that, so to speak, dig deeper and say that sadness is about god, that is, about god, then this is probably true, yes, well, this is the eternal state of the russian person, that’s because he never, never imagines himself in some kind of ideal, so he is always sad that he has not achieved something that he could have achieved, at least looking at the icons of the saints, yes, well, that is, this sadness is not about imperfection. not the perfection of the world is also probably in some ways, of course, because this is also sadness from a person, so he knows that he once was paradise, everything was there, even the animals were talking there, and then here is the story twice, and what is the transition from this sadness to the joy that you just talked about, well

, i would say that it happens with difficulty, because what alexey is talking about is about those losses that... occurred after adam, the first man, left paradise and came to this world, so to speak, to nourish it with his own efforts, of course with god's help, but man lost a lot, including things related to nature, with nature, and if there in paradise the beast knew him perfectly well, they understood each other, moreover, adam was, so to speak, their patron of the earth. he named names, yes, he gave them names, then as soon as he walked out of the gate, and as soon as archangel michael closed the gate with his sword, uh, the animals stopped recognizing adam, they directly told him, you have lost the image of god, we don’t recognize you, they started growling at him , and they are still growling, listen, i called the rock musicians,

the theologian and friends came, but i still want to torment you a little, you know, to ask you may be a little... away from the funk, maybe even from your current inner experiences, although we will definitely talk about them, but i would still like to talk to you, you know, how in science there is such a method included analysis, yes, when, because the scientist is usually already detached, yes, included analysis is when a person himself is engaged in some process, and he describes it, yes, so i, you know, with the courage of an amateur, i want to ask you this question , if i understand correctly, russian rock has two sources, this is english-language music and this is russian literature. and russian culture is broader, that’s how far one can agree with this formulation of the question, to what extent, well, if i may say so, russian rock is comfortable with these two parents, well, regarding english-speaking, alexey, i think, will tell you very well now, or maybe it’s better to say, in including english has richer experience, yes, but

still russian rock has it, it’s not a non- russian phenomenon, you know, of course, right? the phenomenon itself is not russian, but let’s say i was lucky enough to be friends with such a person like frank zapa, an absolutely brilliant musician, and he, uh, had a tremendous love for russian music, for him sorovinsky was something there, yes, and he constantly reminded us of this, this is the second half of the 19th century, composers, those who were called a mighty bunch, especially mussorsky, who in fact probably inspired strovenskaya most of all, in fact, even while in the united states, i suddenly found out that tchaikovsky, i didn’t know before, i was so surprised, and here i am with my friend

asked who's in second place, she's a classic studied, she says, in second place is storinsky, in third is rakhmainov, this is a playlist of classical radio stations in america , you know, yes, that’s why, despite the fact that we took a lot from english-language rock, this is, of course, a colossal school, colossal material and, in their own way, the depth of the depths, they took a lot from our russian music, that’s why it’s all for a reason, it’s not just the cycle of water in nature, but this is really what you remember, our beloved marina andreevna zhurinskaya wrote about rock when it was a phenomenon world culture, and in my opinion this is the natural next stage, so to speak, was a stage in general in the development of culture, just like literature, well, you can call it, who, so to speak, adopted it from whom to a greater extent. this is also such a complex process, it continues to some extent, and as for modern music, we can say that

everything there has been very much reduced due to the influx of various stylistics, sub-stylistics, that is, this is a branch that is already going into thin music that is so specific that they, so to speak, themselves... dissolve in the air gradually, because if you look at the architecture of the structure of a tree, yes, when it first emerges into such powerful branches, then into twigs, into leaves, here the actual structure is the same, i will definitely ask about this, again with the arrogance of an amateur, but i want to return to the topic of literature, because in my understanding , russian rock, of course, inherits russian literature, i was listening to you just now, you said about literature, i remembered that dostoev ... told us about the responsiveness of russian literature, yes in the famous pushkin’s speech, that this is the genius of pushkin, that he could be, in contrast to this, it’s interesting, without inventing anything, if,

this theme of the responsiveness of russian literature, it is preserved in russian rock, we can say that russian rock, it is responsive , i think yes, because we are so closely connected in general with the canons of literature that in my opinion, i don’t know where else, the text is so developed, for example, in combination with music, but with us it’s definitely a very important thing , and you will agree nikolavich with what it seems to me, this is such a slightly clichéd perception that russian rock is more about text, or it is based on text, and western rock is based on music, so i just heard the opinion that this is a very simplified perception, especially western, there is such a thing, yes, few people know , that in the english... language there are more than 100 thousand words more than in russian, yes, shakespeare’s word is more than pushkin’s dictionary, that’s it, but russian, rock, it is nowhere without a word, just, you know,

if there is no word, then there is no russian rock, but in english rock, the word also meant a lot a lot, there it was conceptual and cult, and the performers were those who used the word masterful, such groups as pink floyd, the same lezeplin, for example, i was a child, i’m not from... i liked both of them, but being, living already, in the united states, i suddenly discovered that lotzeplin are some kind of giants, gigantic , and depepol is such a strong pop-rock band, and when the nineties came, such a movement as alternative music appeared, so there it was already impossible without a word, there everyone paid attention the word, although curt cabane was there too, he lived the words and it was not clear what he was saying. but nevertheless, deciphering the words, everyone understood that he was trying to say something important, but in our country, probably,

the musical part suffered more often, in general in our country, precisely from the point of view of rock, here, at first, when there was the soviet union, everything was generally prohibited, i just personally went through it , and then people just didn’t go much deeper, so probably the russian... lesson has a great future when they start analyzing the whole past, very seriously, it is rusk from the point of view of russian music, then they will shovel all of dostoevsky and then they will be able to do something brilliant , so i want here with you - as they say from this place in more detail, you and i once talked about this topic, and then i this thought sunk in, including forgive your non-obviousness, yes, you said the best of russian rock is ahead, and if this can be... combined with the depth of dostoevsky, yes, then this will be what we are all waiting for, yes, consistency , but to what extent, well , again, i don’t want to offend anyone, but in in my understanding, nostoevsky is this

symphony. not necessarily the same pink floyd - this is such a stripped-down dostoevsky, yes, very fragmented , so they tried, so to speak, to dig into such philistinism , and well, in fact, they achieved a certain effect , of course, dostoevsky is millions of times wider , i really liked the statement, i forgot his name, this is the actor who received five or six em it’s like in the tv series it’s such an ost and he came to orthodoxy, he says: i discovered dostoevsky for myself, i often have to to play terrible people, some kind of scoundrels, so i suddenly realized that dostoevsky wrote about terrible things from a position of light, this is not very easy, it is very difficult, and this is a huge strength, for rock music it’s just a field colossal activity, but do you agree that

everything is still ahead at the russian horn? theoretically this is possible, but how the way events are developing was diplomatically handled, no, but i ’m just watching how music develops, yeah, modern, it’s quite possible that at some level it will become a slightly completely different breakthrough will occur , another revolution will occur, and this will be a different level of quality, so don’t you think that this is still too binding. is this a proposal specifically for rock music, or what? or am i wrong, here, in my opinion, this is a good level that allows a person not only to develop, but even to improve in some sense, we are talking about the spirit, so to speak, the form of the word, a certain aesthetics of some kind, about how the thought itself is formed,

yes, how much all this really is... deeply in relation to anything and what is happening now, with him and gogol, pushkin, and tolstoy’s years, in spite of everything, with goggol it’s even somehow easier for me, i can’t explain it, but it’s so intuitive, somehow it doesn’t occur to me, nothing sticks out to me, gogol, rock, i somehow understand it all , somehow i understand, gogol is punk, in general, in my opinion, it has such a specific language, especially ...from the current point of view, why? when i read, for example, classics, yes, literary ones, i notice how rich the language is, how everything is there carefully constructed, how everything is formulated there, here in gogol, he has a very unique language, punk among the classics, the main ukrainian historical fake is almost 100 years old, all this was born in the huge empire of the american media, why did the capitalists from the usa

need a myth: about the holodomor. this is an invention of ukrainian immigration. a special commission was created in the united states of america and it began to artificially promote this topic. and what role did hitler's rich friend play in this? hearst is the head of essentially the yellow press, with this was an ardent anti-soviet and a fugitive with forged documents. antifake premiere, tomorrow, on the first. what is not allowed. calm down. rozyk, they surrounded me from all sides, this is your job, remove your emotions, turn on your brains, make a list, in your situation you can’t trust anyone, what’s your cop there? i wanted to talk to you, who are you? are you concerned about the fate of kristina ligacheva? after all, there was never any manuscript,

right? answer, just don’t lie to me, it would be something that could blow up this damned scoop, now we have two murders, we must first start, sergei bezrukov in the serial film by valery todorovsky, bison is the work of a fashion model, tomorrow after the program time. vyacheslav butusov, alexey belov, i’m vladimir ligoida, we are talking about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon, i know what else i want to talk to you about, about a personal path, this is the first question, this is what you think, this is a spiritual quest, which obviously we see in the life path of musicians in their work, this is connected to a greater extent with the generation,

because this is the time of search, yes, the end the eighties, the beginning of the nineties, and... not only musicians went through this path, or after all, what you are doing left its mark, this is more of the reason, or or it is both, that’s how it is ... yours, it seems to me, it’s just...’ sooner or later in the life of every person there comes a moment when, well, he begins to think more about what is happening in his life, how it happens, you begin to understand, so to speak, well, seeing throughout for many years, as this world develops, you begin to ask certain questions, in general, to be honest, for me it’s the human path... attention, this, this is that we are increasingly, over the years, noticing how alarming the world is, and if we take, for example, childhood and school, yes , i, i didn’t care much

about what was happening around me, except that in the international panorama one could