[000:00:00;00] you didn’t agree, after all, you kept asking at all levels, can i go into outer space, everyone is already tired of this question , everyone says, don’t you go out, it’s been preparing for years, it’s dangerous, it’s hard, but it’s still being put somewhere definitely, but you can also do it in open space, that’s right, many don’t believe that the film will happen at all, it did happen, why didn’t the spacewalk take place, i really think it’s a big omission that i didn’t go into outer space, again, there is a challenge, but there is a way out, a way out, that is, is it possible to do more? ahead you see, another selection, that is, there is something for you to fly again, there is, there is, there is , if again, i get this call, then i won’t think for a long time again, launch some thought so that it goes in a roundabout way, having passed through certain minds of certain people, she returned with a positive decision, yes, i’ve launched, i’ve already launched, everything, well, that means everything will happen, space, many people still ask me, but it’s true that yulia peresilt went into outer space, that is, all, which goes

almost three. it's not almost 3 hours and he's still there the whole thing was filmed, well, from the moment it’s old, it’s even more beautiful, but what we filmed, everyone understands that this is real filming when it comes to the end of the film, that well, we’re like, until the boss sees, let’s go, well, like, everyone thinks that the way out is in this braids - we just went for a walk, we sat there for 3 months or whatever it was, two, well, something got boring, let's go and talk, we'll go around, everyone is so stars, but everyone asks, it's really a trick, that is. it’s this earthly part that we can now tell you honestly, that yulia didn’t go out to open space, all this was filmed on the ground, yes, this is how open space is filmed on the ground , a spacewalk, this is a special helmet for computer graphics with such pins as a hedgehog, yes, which then turns into a space suit for spacewalks, we solute 7 was filmed using this technology ; in fact, all

films were filmed using this technology. but it turns out to be very realistic in which open space is shown, yes, i now understand about having gone through all this and having watched many of your spacewalks i understand that even if i were released into outer space, of course i still wouldn’t have filmed it there, that is, the maximum i could film there was from a gopro camera, so to speak, something moving, of course, to to stage some shots, take two, we went back to stage shoot this, of course, it would take, i don’t know , how much time, effort, so it would have been a formal spacewalk if i had been released after all. into outer space, but this would be an important step for space cinema, so roscosmos, i need to go into outer space, wait for me, wait for me, yes, there is something that i even need, let's see, yes, come on,

it's just very funny not to show it, well, by the way, it’s so hard to be in this guise, your chest is twisting, it seemed to me even harder than in a real exit into the open sea, of course, it’s harder, they’ll also turn you over, it’s gravity, the blood is going to your head, i think everything on earth is resisting to show space, because gravity is felt and visible, your face changes because it makes it difficult to take it off, why did you get false cheeks? so that it probably fits correctly, because on the ground your cheeks are down, but here, yes, we’re not talking about a mask, yes, this video, when they show everyone there, well, how this mask was made, and when they then take it off and also, they inserted these tubes into your nose, so they flooded you, yes, yes, yes, fantamas, again the other side of the coin, that is, everyone thinks that this is the time, and the film turned out, hours, it’s not only create, how many people are there works for you so that everything works out, yes, of course, it’s

whole. professionals in their field who know every hair on your face, every dent, that is, they make sure everything fits exactly, and then they stick every hair, how it’s done , i understand what was in its place so that everything fits, because on the big screen, every molecule of your face is visible, well, do you remember the return from space, yes, of course, i remember, yes, we believe that the return is the most dynamic, the most emotional moment flight, when you enter dense layers you start to burn, especially since you were right next to the window, you saw how the descent module was burning, how it was rotating, g-forces began to affect you, then the most gorgeous thing was this, when the soft landing engines fired this one hitting the ground, the most gorgeous thing is when the parachute opens first, but for some reason the landing raised more questions in me out of some nervous feelings than the start, well , firstly, it was due to the fact that something

had turned the ship over station the day before, and well, i didn’t turn it over, a little, i turned it over, i have footage from an inverted porthole, where everything is the other way around, well, due to this, if you remember, we were predicted to have a ballistic descent, well, as one of the possibilities was, but it is always a conservation descent , well, this is when the acceleration is 15 or whatever it is, an emergency landing, an emergency landing, but to the place where they are waiting for you, on the contrary, where they are not waiting 400-600 km, you will fly to the side, well, they still know the landing place, they don’t know, they know , they know , but not the main forces, this is not what you you land in disadvantaged areas of rio , even though rio is not bad at all. no, well, i know what it’s like, they still know where they’re waiting for you, but it’s forced, some kind of accelerated descent, with a huge overload, i knew that, of course, that’s what i thought, that, that’s how it is will be, and i remember that these

2.5 hours before we began to enter the atmosphere and you said that everything was normal, we were somehow 2.5 hours, i remember sitting with yulia and thinking that now they will these are 15g, so when it all started, we already they understood that it would be 4 and a half, i already cared... all this was no longer important, so no, i was worried, remember, because of my height, my knee was very close to the instrument panel panels, and i was afraid that maybe with this impact and the ground my knee might go into this panel, and if you remember, maybe not anymore, but two minutes before landing , this pancake came unfastened, this the knee that holds the right knee, it is the right knee that could enter this one. then at the end after all, in the end, you almost know 30 seconds before landing, everything seems to be fine, well then listen, statistically, after all, everyone

who died, our cosmonauts died during landing, died statistically, died , i thought about it, well, i’m good, at least i knew that, and when did you do that? you know, it’s like when he started, he was thinking only about work and there were no bad thoughts, you know, when he returned, he shot a film, threw away all the materials, he began to think, look, if you remember, by the way, i didn’t throw away all the materials, all those who thought then that we had lost some flash drives there, we need to explain to everyone that the flash drive, and why, i think, all the flash drives, for some reason everyone thought, well, everyone thought so, they said there, i’m not leaving here , until everything is found, and then there is simply an overlay with the marking of the cargo, that is, they changed their status from rostly to others. and they didn’t get it in the first place, it’s not even that, it’s not even that, if you remember that a couple of days before our descent, i realized that i was still afraid that this material might not be enough all in one copy and it is flying with us, you also copied everything to the station, but then

we remember, with peetya, with dubrrov we collected all these hard drives that were at the station, we copied them for 2 days, so even if something really happened - something happened to this material during landing, then... there was a backup copy at the station, which could have been done through the shs, little by little, well , everything would have been lowered to the ground, so yes, this paranoia began for me too, it was present, well this is professional paranoia, you're afraid to lose, the worst, this is the worst nightmare, we remember how it happens, we were all waiting for these shots with incredible excitement and trepidation , here is a historical moment, the hatch of the descent module is open, here they are our heroes, the first to evacuate the ship’s commander, the hero of russia oleg. peresilt, from the first seconds, it’s clear that everyone endured the flight well, the mood was fighting, and no overloads and cosmic speeds could break the spirit and sense

of humor of the astronauts, it’s like a roller coaster, klin shipenko said about the descent from orbit. in general, do you remember, after the blow, well, that’s it, i’ve calmed down, let’s launch the device, your first thoughts, what, oh, listen, i... i was crazy that my knees were in place, everything, everything, really worked out, the blow, by the way, was not what i thought it would be, because, no matter how much they scared us with this blow, they said there, from the second floor to the back, i think, from the second floor to the back, it somehow, it hurts, it’s generally hard, yes, yes, yes, but in the end not, it turned out that somehow, really, we, you, you, you gently planted, and then this feeling, when the earth’s gravity began to push you down, i remember, that moving to yours, the middle one, was very difficult, that is, it was as if i had already gotten used to weightlessness, i lifted some incredible weight, although my arms did not become weak, that is, it was in my head, like this feeling, this is some kind of gyro of yours, you lost this lightness that you had for 12 days, and again

you plunged into oh, on the contrary, into earthly gravity, it was very strange that i could not just climb over roll, i don’t even know how to say it, into this central chair so that i can they pulled me out, but the doctors later said that it was a sensation, and then here are the pictures, in principle i was already somehow normal, well, someone was met by relatives, no, relatives were not allowed in, no one’s relatives were allowed in, no one’s relatives were allowed in, no mine, neither yulia’s, nor yours, there was no one boarding, there was no one boarding except the film crew, but do you remember there was such a hitch that oleg should have said some words, when vladimir moshkov came up, and oleg said which ones for me no words, really no one said any words to me, nothing, well this was quickly explained later, by the way, i like this moment so much, it’s so kind of humorous, so where are the flowers, you didn’t die, but it was cool, it was cool, there was a feeling

that it... it was some kind of a journey, an adventure that may only happen again in a dream, but may also happen in reality, well, in general, it was some kind of sadness, melancholy, so i was already present, well, this is this, this has already arrived rather, even on the plane when we were flying away, at that moment i was thinking how to film it all, is it all it was working, the film crew, cameras, sound, it was all there, it was all a film set right there, that’s what i was thinking about, and they didn’t give me a monitor, that’s why i didn’t have one. then my trusted director of the send unit was filming this scene and i just sat on the sidelines, so to speak, and watched it all happen. we continue our space stories podcast, and with me today are the heroes of russia, cosmonauts, oleg navitsky and anton shkaplerov. well, has your worldview changed in general? yes, what exactly has changed? well this is some kind of

mental internal state, you know, even to say that, i periodically try to explain it to myself in some words, and it is probably the closest to these words - this is some kind of peace of mind, some kind of self-confidence, as in a person, that my body could withstand, that i was able to do this, probably this is the worldview , i’m talking now besides, of course i saw the earth from space, of course, i saw how beautiful it is, that’s all... then there are important sensations, important impressions that are also in me now they live, and i carry them with me, as if already, and for some reason you managed to miss the earthly things during the flight, just for the soul, the bathhouse and the normal toilet, i also always liked those first ones the streams of water falling on you are like this, listen, well, i see, i’m not shaved, because it takes so long to shave and it’s so inconvenient, and i washed, of course i washed, but on the ground i wash more often, well, just because it’s necessary

wasting so much valuable time, every damn minute is valuable, well, yes, that’s it damn, i didn’t want to spend so much time on this, so i don’t miss these processes, but i miss everything else very much, i’m even offended that it’s like i remember this preparation and even all these, well, not all , but i remember a lot of air tours, i remember all these, everything on the ship, that you know , it feels like i, well, i learned a little. well, not to manage, of course, there is no management, but it’s as if i have acquired a skill , well, to live, to work in space, a skill, yes, which for some reason i don’t use anymore, you know, as if, and you think, why i told them i don’t use it anymore, i spent so much time acquiring this skill, well, that is, i can do it, and well, in general , i flew as an astronaut, even though he’s like that, but an astronaut, well, somehow damn it , well, we need to use this somehow, our whole life is ahead of us, everything, yes, yes, yes, well, listen, i...' i'm 40 now, so i need to say only 40, yes,

only 40 for space, by the way, we are the first my flights are also 40, yes, i know for an astronaut this is only young, this is childhood, so to speak, the dawn of the first flights and that’s why i still in this sense, i hope not, well, on the whole, on the whole, i’m very glad that the project came to fruition, you actually arrived, we worked together, then we continue to communicate on the ground, well, i think it’s generally very cool, it’s wonderful, for us, well, for me, yulia and i were very lucky that this happened, and i am very glad that it turned out that way, that everyone accepted us, well, everyone who, on whom something really depended, who really participated in this process, and those who did not accepted, well, to hell with them, there are very few of them, believe me, well, yes, and we’re even on them in general, we don’t pay attention, so in this sense we are very lucky, we are very lucky with you, i am very lucky with you, as actors, we are lucky with you, and as actors, again, very lucky, if not for you

about that we would have, well, it’s unlikely that it would have worked out, since you suggested some actions, it was suggested, well, also how to play something, say something differently, i still remember this example, when you say, well, you was it bad or not when everything didn’t work out to play such a normal patient man, yes, i say, well, have you ever felt bad, i say, yes i say, it was somehow bad there in my youth on the third day after the new year, so remember this state, yes, yes, you see, acting - it’s a little bit like that, you, you come in... you, when you’re an adult and you’re not an actor, it seems to you that yours knows, consciousness, it prevents this tomfoolery, as it seems to you, why am i playing the fool here, i seriously cool dude, there is such a feeling. yes, yes, it doesn’t always work out, maybe you want something to do, but in essence, you need to do exactly this and this is essentially like a child , you are pretending, you are playing something, well, that is, in essence, you need, you need to return to this pull the person out, look, you never swore at us there , not with obscenities, not without it, that is, you always

found the ones like now you say normal words, that’s why you lived separately so that he wouldn’t swear in front of us, yes, that is usually not, we watch people's films there already. we now know - all of them, well , not all of them, i mean, many, many, here i am i know that people and mat-rewinds, especially with a director who doesn’t succeed, he can still launch it there, what he has in his hands, but you are completely different, you could have conveyed to us how to do it right, well, i’m on earth like that and it’s not me who behaves like this, i, if you were on the set , well, you see some of my specifics really, but i would be a different director, who would be more like this... like a boorish guy , he wouldn’t work well with you, he wouldn’t have come back, first wouldn’t have sartanuled, then wouldn’t have come back, maybe with anton, but with oleg definitely wouldn’t have worked well, that’s for sure, i can say, that is, there, that is, well , you needed flexibility with you and diplomacy, of course, well, that’s what directing is all about , listen, each person in his own way, each actor

different, this is a person, you need to find an approach to him in your own way, if you, and this is also the director’s task to find this approach, because in the end it affects, uh, whether it will help the case, it’s not a fact that it will help, whether you will have time to catch him back, yes, you will have time, so i always, listen, there are some personal properties, well when we, here we do things, and then, if we remain friends, that’s a bonus , okay, so we stayed, we stayed, yes, but that’s not our task, we didn’t gather for this, we didn’t gather for that, to. we got together to make a film, that is, that it was so in the end we went through it, well, you were also skeptical at first, it was difficult, we had to massage you a little, well, that is, well, in the end we sort of figured it out and this is normal, so that you understand, there are many actors more difficult than you,

professional actors with whom it was more difficult for me to find an approach even in work than with you, so in this sense i think it’s so good, i agreed with everything, no-no-no, well, well, you know what you have there were sort of protests at first, and so on, well, that is, that was also normal, that is, since i had already gone through more difficult actors, in general i had to deal with you, no, well, i knew that we would figure it out in the end, after all, you are a responsible person, you won’t give up the task, you won’t abandon it, you remember in at the beginning he said, when i told you, oleg , why are you talking like a human being in this commanding voice here, you say, damn it, i was taught there for 20 years to report what you want me to do now. yes, so that i, i say, listen, now you don’t need to work, you just tell me in human terms, that is, you see , they adapted you a little for the cinema, so we didn’t voice it with our own voices, right, yes, by the way, why, because work with voice, working with voice is a separate discipline, i could probably do

so that you speak in your own voices, but we would spend six months in the voice acting with each of you, for this we specially thank you that we did not extend the voice acting for another six months, well, friends, unfortunately, unfortunately, time flies, at cosmic speed, cosmic, it was a space stories podcast, with me today were oleg novitsky, anton shkaplerov, both heroes of russia, cosmonauts, and i hope that our conversation with them enriched your space experience, which you already gained thanks to watching the film challenge, thank you. hello, i'm dmitry bak and i'm a literate here podcast called let them not talk, let them read. we talk about different topics, about different writers, about classics or about those who are close to us.

but today we are talking about an author who, on the one hand, has passed away quite a long time ago, on the other hand , he is with us, he is nearby, this is sergei sanovich yesenin, a very popular poet, many say that he is a national poet, his anniversary was celebrated not this year, but earlier, and this year we just remember aisenin with a special feeling every time at the beginning of autumn, when he was born, today our guest is the general director of the museum of the reserve sergei sanovich yesenin, boris igorevich, joganson, hello, hello, and today our guest is also andrei veshkurtsev, an actor of the moscow art academic theater named after maxim gurkov. hello, andrey, andrey, performer of the role of sergei senin in the sensational play called “yeseninan’s woman”. we will talk about yeseninen from the point of view of museum exhibitions, from the point of view of a modern reader. let's start

boris, i'll ask you a very simple thing, what does sergei yesenin take us with today, exactly what is important about him, what do you think, and the main thing is that the great russian poet, sergei aleksandrovich yesenin is understandable and close to a wide circle of readers, those who appreciate his appeal to nature, but and those that provide food for a strictly scientific mindset. pushkin, uh, lerman, the greatest tyutchev, the greatest poets , but what if i say that you can’t sing them right away, if i asked you now, completely improvisationally, let’s sing two lines there, my pasha’s clients, we can, let's

clints, my, i am fallen, the maple is frozen. white, why are you standing, bent over, under a white snowstorm, well, the experiment was a success, we even sang four , it was difficult to stop, well, not at lunch for pushkin or lermontov, but not right away, somehow i’m not going out onto the road, or i remember a wonderful moment, beautiful romances, i understand what you are talking about dmitry, the point here is probably that... a poet from the people, this is very important, a people's people's poet, a people's poet, we can certainly attribute alexandrugevich pushkin , vysotsky, probably vladimir semenovich vysotsky, mikhailovich lermontov, sergei aleksandrovich yesenin, and i probably wouldn’t risk expanding this list very much, despite everything. despite the fact that lord, my god, how our wonderful homeland is rich in magnificent

, wonderful, brilliant talents, derzhavin and lamonosov through all the golden, russian poetry, through the silver age, through the sixties to our wonderful contemporaries, so we can say that sergei aleksandrovich yesenino, certainly a poet from the people, but who became definitely a people's poet, let's turn to the photographs and yet this is a photograph, i think that you boris can comment on it more, this is a group photograph of young residents of the village of konstantinovo, we see young sergei alexandrovich in a cap, in the middle, he is for this , in order to insert himself on par with the girl he liked, he climbed onto... how do you know this is a legend or in reality , well, we figured it out after all, yes, since we

take this kind of facts seriously, the girl is noble, of course, she is a beauty, this is all in the background church of the kazan icon of the mother of god, on the right is the estate of the parents of sergei aleksandrovich yesenin, where he was born and where he spent his childhood, where he came later in his youth, when he studied at the spasklipek. well, just in the next photo, the kek school is its students, yes, i understand correctly, yes absolutely correctly, yesenin is standing third in the last row , he was such a serious young man, he had a lot of friends, with some he was in such highly artistic and highly moral correspondence , shared... with his poems, feelings, so i look at this man

in the top row, third from the right and involuntarily turned my gaze to veshkurtsev , many say that andrey, you seem to be perceived as yesenin, did you look at these photographs, when yes, of course, i looked to get role, i naturally did not transform myself, in no way did i try to trick myself in any way, probably someone did it by accident. i saw it anyway, i think that the most important thing when they give a role is for the guts, for the abilities, for the talent, but the most interesting thing is that personally it seems to me that i am becoming similar to yesenin exactly when the moment of the game occurs, it’s wonderful, well, boris, i’m turning to you again, how literacy, on tour, when sergei sanovich was still very young, was widespread, in the ryazan province in a private business in the village of konstantinovo the situation was approximately the same as in all more or less large villages

in the central part of the russian empire. zemstvo school in konstantinno. worked since 1879 and taught arithmetic there ; they also taught the basics of the russian language, penmanship, the law of god, and several other subjects; there, as a rule, children studied differently, while adults, what percentage , well, roughly, every second, as a rule, well, probably 90 percent, but yes, yes, after the second or third grade the percentage became smaller. yesenin graduated from the zemstvo school very well, but he remained in the second year, he remained in the second year because of his behavior , and even then he was, well, probably not yet a hooligan, not a brawler, that’s the kind of guy he was, that’s the kind of guy he was, that’s all understandable, let’s remind our interlocutors that zemstvo schools are a relatively recent innovation in russia, yes, this is a reform already

in the seventies of the 21st century, that is, well... relatively shortly before the birth of sergei sanovich, that is, it is still something that was perceived as new, positive, yes, innovative, probably yes, these, however, several decades have passed since they were taught, so the seventy -ninth is the appearance in konstantinovo, of course, they appeared in russia a little earlier, well, there were wonderful teachers there who sergei alexandrovich remained grateful throughout life, he worked there... his spiritual mentor, priest ion yakolevich smirnov, to whom he addressed in his poems, considered him a very important person in his life. yeah, it’s clear, while we were talking about the fact that, well, it’s clear without words, well, an absolutely brilliant person, a nugget, well, an earth-russian treasure, who just grew straight from these

places in the og. and then, that’s what i’ll ask about, this combination - an impeccable person and a person who maintains a connection with the village, so we see him in a new guise, after all rural remained, authentic, or was it stylized, well, you know, there are different points of view here, it seems to me that about rural, such a predominant one. goes to moscow , in moscow he, at this time, how old, he is 17 years old at this time, 17 years old, 17 years old man, he enters the artistic and musical circle named after

surikov, attends lectures at the people's university. alfons shannyavsky, he wanted this, he achieved this, and he used this time to get an education, and then, well, what can we say, where is the rural way of life and where he was, life in petrograd at that time, although of course, he played such an operetta peasant boy there, he still played a peasant boy, of course, according to the memories, numerous memories of those interested. moscow, what can we say about the period of imagism, well, that’s a little later, yes, there are already concerts there, it’s a completely different story there, but still this combination, rural and urban, is very important, i agree with you, another matter, this is subtle

a state that he... carried through all his poetry, a feeling of russian nature. so, we continue our conversation, we are talking about sergei aleksanovich yesenin, about the brilliant russian poet, and we are talking today with the director of the state museum of the sergeyevich yasinin reserve, boris joganson, with the actor of the moscow art academic theater named after maxim korkov, andrey. eshkurtsev, i’m turning to andrey again, but it’s very important for me to ask you specifically, are senin’s elements, well, still simple, densely ingenuous in pushkin’s way, or do they contain something in your opinion, as you think, here no there is no need to show any connoisseurship, just how you perceive them, well, it seems to me that yesenian’s poems, poetry itself, are probably

some kind of the most extreme form of expressiveness, feelings. thoughts and yesenin made his way to a new stage in poetry, in language in general, yeah, but to say that they are simple, it seems to me, is a good word, simple, not... not in the sense that this is some kind of, yes, primitiveness , of course, they are simple in a good sense, but at the same time they are incredibly difficult to decipher, to describe, and in terms of acting, it’s generally very it’s difficult to read and intonate them , well, intoning is not for an actor, come on, excuse me, yes, yes, yes, and it seems to me that yesenin is captivating with his youth and energy. youthful energy, yes, look at today how many young people we have, you can see yesenin in everyone , now 100 years have passed, and we have the same active, same talented, unrestrained guys

that sergei yesenin was then, they want the same to live, they want to give themselves, they want to do everything, this energy and youth, it seems to me that it is very understandable for our time too, a wonderful idea, yes, everything living is marked with a special mark from an early time, if i were not a poet, then i would probably have been a swindler, a thief, thin and short, always a hero among the boys, i often, often went to my home with a broken nose i walked towards my frightened mother through a bloody mouth, nothing, i tripped over a stone, it

will all heal by tomorrow, and now, when i got a cold, these days the boiling water ligature, the restless daring force, spilled over my poems, a golden... spring pile over each line the bully's former prowess is endlessly reflected and a tomboy, as brave and proud as i was then, only my step springs up again , if before they hit me in the face, now my soul is all in blood, i’m not talking to my mother anymore, to someone else’s laughing rabble, nothing, i stumbled, but the stone is

by tomorrow everything will heal, we’ll continue this line of mine, well, not a provocative line, but still an attempt, to look at yesenin not from such a standard side, but to somehow see the problem here, after all, he’s a bully, but a muzzle in the blood, well... doesn’t a person flaunt this from some point on, yes, that’s how no, doesn’t he succumb to this appearance of his, well, as an actor, sometimes an actor becomes very famous for some role, enters a series, as if he begins to play not not a role, but himself in a previous role, then there is no such freezing here , in general, this is my question to both of you, well, even this, if there is, then why not, when this is found, there is a beautiful, poetic, brilliant embodiment, then this should not be, this remains in time for centuries, this is crazy, mad, bloody dregs,

that you are death or healing of the collective, lead me, lead me to him, i want to see this man, you know, well, this is wonderful, maybe it’s so wrong to say, but still i feel sorry for the early yesenin, sorry for that yesenin who... was pushed aside by himself, of course , well, as if in the background a little, because his uh, early poems, relatively early, and not mature poems, especially those that were included in the collection radunitsa, which was published in two editions, in the sixteenth year in the eighteenth, if i ’m not mistaken , but it seems not, there ’s no brawler there, there’s no face in there is no blood yet, in life he already was, as we know, a little later everything happened, both the mazhenitsa period, and kababatskaya moscow. and then pugachev, and then the rest of the works, of course, a black man, and many works dating back to the last year of his life in 1925, but still here at