[000:00:00;00] studying the history and culture of moscow, although there is still significant literature, there are, of course, scientific works that, and biographies that put these writers, if not in the first rank of russian poetry, then as a rule they are all in plain sight, well, here’s a photograph, which you can, ings in such beauty, and it must be said, here. they look wonderful here, but the time was so scary, it was the period of the civil war, it was also a rather hungry time, well, looking at these people, it may not be so you will say, yes or this, they were very friendly , they treated each other well, it’s just a pity that their beautiful story of friendship, it was somewhat overshadowed by mutual cooling,

but this period, of course, was one of the most. and in general in yesenin’s life, well, it’s clear that this period is important, it seems to me especially important that they went on tour, can you imagine tyuchev on tour there, for example, or well, lermantov is not allowed, it’s just early, quite easy, that’s all - after all, they lived by their literary work, and of course they traveled at this important moment, they are professionals, just like now a book is published on paper, a book is published somewhere on a platform. an electronic audiobook is coming out right away, yes, that is, they not only printed, they dreamed of their own publishing house , they practically succeeded, but they traveled, they had a very wide range of trips, this is especially true for yesenin, yes, this is central asia, and crimea, here is st. petersburg, all this is clear, wonderful creative trips, from which

he brought from... about orenburg pukacheva, from persian motifs from azerbaijan, bressian motives are a cycle, pugachev is a beautiful poem, well, well, through a journey, let’s move on to another such, well, sort of mythologized topic in many ways, that’s the name of the play by yesenin’s woman, well, it’s not too pedaled, but many women i have been loved in different forms, this thought is repeated. in the poems themselves, yes, this is emphasized by sergei yesenin himself, but still, what is sincere, truthful, tragic here, and what can be so superficial here or not, i think that this is primarily a question for the interlocutor, and not for many children to a father, a father of many children, okay , well, well, there are several wives, there are several companions, yes, well, that’s how you

feel about it, as if from the inside of the play. which is so named, uh, yesenin’s woman, uh, what would you, andrey, say about this, women in his destiny, uh, occupied such a place of support, that is, women, this is a support, this is an attempt to protect himself, because every woman tried to protect him help with something, yeah, but he still offended everyone, so we came up with a concept that yesenin. yes, that yesenin is the sun, and a woman approaches him, to warm up in its rays, but as soon as she gets closer, she will burn, so at some point he has to break off these, how do you feel about this metaphors, i think i ’ll probably agree, because women really played such a special defining role

role in the fate of our great russian poet, therefore ... we can say that he was still married several times, unofficially, to the extraordinary, well, officially , it seems, officially, zinaedida reich, isidora duncan, sofia the fat yesenina, here and there were many women who played, it was also very important, we can look at this photograph, this is sidora duncan, of course, and irma, her daughter, and there was also miklashevskaya. which is connected with creativity, yes , here’s another one, galina benislavskaya, we can also name another 10-15 people, from this circle, of course, who determined some played a decisive role, alexandrovich yesenin, well, continuing

andrey’s thought , i think that. after all, after all, sergei aleksandrovich yesenin, by nature, was a rather cold person in relationship, please remember, look at veshkovce’s face. not cold, disappointed, cold in relationships, of course, well, it seems to me that as soon as love burned out, he could write poetry, in order to write he had to experience something, love kind of provokes creativity, yes, pushkin, well pushkin says differently, pushkin says love has passed, a muse has appeared, that is, there is too much, well, such a tormented immediate thing from within. well, you need to distance yourself a little, so says the harmonious, balanced in creativity, not in life, pushkin, yesenin,

still not so, yes, if we base our conclusions on some love vicissitudes of sergei aleksandrovich yesenin, and here it is clear, of course, he was a favorite, female, there is no point in arguing, but if we pay attention to what -this is encyclopedic data, and high-minded scientists pointed at nevisen quite clearly almost every day of his existence after the sixteenth or seventeenth year, then we can conclude that, after all, of course, he was quite definite in his relationships with women, that's it of course well, everything was not so simple there, well, i think that this dispute - well, it’s impossible to finally resolve it, but if you try to resolve it, then maybe in verses, maybe inside the poem we will not hear our reasoning, well, sort of, after the fact those coming and those coming from the outside, but from the inside, maybe

andrey, you are revered by us, i have nothing left for fun. fingers in mouth and a cheerful whistle , the bad reputation spread, that i am a bawdy, a brawler, oh, what a funny loss, there are many funny losses in life, i’m ashamed that i believed in god. i'm sad that i don't believe it now,

golden distant distances, everything is burned by the death of everyday life, i was raunchy, i made a scandal, in order to burn brighter, the poet’s gift to caress and scribble, the fatal seal on him, a white rose with a black toad, i... wanted to get married on earth, even if it didn’t work out , even if these thoughts of rose-colored days did not come true, but the devils nested in my soul, which means angels lived in her, for this joy mute, going with her to another land, i want at the last minute to ask those who will be with me, so that all for my sins are grave... for unbelief they put me in grace

me in a russian shirt, under icons, to die, by the way, there is a remark, the gift of a poet, to caress and grumble, i made a scandal in order to burn brighter, well, this does not contradict the concept that boris says, right? and maybe it confirms, maybe it confirms, yes, there was a kind of deliberateness here, and such an overly, well, obvious goal setting, but we know that lines with blood kill, rush up the throat and kill, as another poet said, yes , that is , you can’t play with this here, you can’t calculate it, you can’t, well, i’ll love it a little, but then i’ll write something, no, it all leads to death, organically and eternity, everything is impossible, calm down, criminal... wanted, they surrounded me from all sides, this is your job, remove emotions, turn on your brains, make a list, in yours you can’t trust anyone in the situation, it’s your cop there, i wanted to talk to you, who are you?

are you concerned about the fate of kristina ligacheva? after all, there was never any manuscript, right? answer, just don’t lie to me, is this a bom? which can blow up the damn scoop, wait, wait, wait, now we have two kills. we must start first sergei bezrukov in the serial film by valery todorovsky bison is the case of a fashion model tomorrow after the program time. at the end of our conversation, andrey, i will ask you to read a strange, complex text that the woman yesenin was preparing for the play.

work on it, but served as either a counting rhyme, or a spell, or a prayer , but i know, i just heard that there is such an attempt to collect the text from different lines, different poems, let’s listen, i don’t regret it, i don’t call , i’m not crying, once upon a time in that girl’s cage, i was 16 years old, i was a citizen of the village, which will only be famous for the fact that the low house stoops without me, we all loved during these years, and that means they loved us? goyt and russia, my dear, i am a moscow gambling reveler, a red-maned colt is galloping, i know that makes me want to run after komsomol with my pants up, that’s all.

now it’s decided without return, goodbye, my friend, goodbye, you’re still alive, my old lady, i’m still alive , greetings from you, hello, you can have different attitudes towards the genre, but it seems to me that this is really an interesting attempt, it’s very matches what happened today the topic of... the conversation, and the topic of our conversation was the eternal posthumous fate of sergei sanovich yesinin, who, like any major poet, a brilliant poet, is just beginning his journey, when his earthly journey ends, these days we have a special feeling , we understand how

close yesen is to us, how modern he is, how strong he is, how energetic he is despite all the tragedy, of course we didn’t talk about many things , we didn’t talk, for example, about yesenin’s travels, sergei yesenin’s travels, well, they were of such an educational nature , we we know that he was in the east a lot, the eastern ones, his routes, they gave him a lot, yes, who is shaganaya, maybe you can tell us, shaganaya, that i’m from the north, or something, well, everyone knows that, but what ... behind this, indeed, sergei aleksandrovich yesenin really loved to travel, and uh , he visited baku several times , they loved him very much there, and he collaborated with the local press, with the newspaper baku work, of course he strove to iran, to persia in the first place, but they arranged for him such a peculiar persia for area in the suburbs of baku, in mordokekh, he was settled in a wonderful place,

this did not contradict in any way... because you are from the north, or something, i am ready to show you the field and the high face of the moon, shagan - mine, nevertheless, shagan - my shagan, the result was such a persian, a cycle of persian motifs, which was republished several times, yeah, well, that is , this is such a wonderful synthesis, north and south and east of the west, yes, because yesenin... western dandy, especially in those years when he was together with sidora dunkam, the strange thing is that while traveling abroad, sidor dunk had a long trip, he had practically nothing creative, yes, maybe business, no, not too much, well, to put it mildly, it was hanging over him, but his such an extraordinary scale of this nature, well, yes, not only nature, it’s probably in general this, probably everything in everything... in what was woven around yesenin during this period,

yeah, these were meetings, in immigration with his friends, with his opponents, trips to numerous european cities, from which of course, he received such a definite impression, a trip overseas, where he reacted extremely negatively to what he saw and pisalkovsky at another time absolutely sincerely, and well, productively, that is, the west and america were less productive than the east, than the east and than his native country, well, the native side is not discussed at all, but there is no such poet who does not depend, in the highest sense of the word , on the land of which he was born, there is no such poet, but if you choose between the west and the east, interesting thought, it never occurred to me it comes to mind that yesenin, of course, is a european, american traveler, but there are much fewer visible creative results

than trips to the east, this is an important story, we strive in our conversations not to repeat what everyone knows, but still to find some then... new twists , well, that’s why it’s interesting to be together with those who are having a conversation in a literary podcast, let them not talk, let them read, roman karmanov, elena kiper, yes, our guests. jazz musicians, igor butman, oleg akuratov, i wanted to ask igor, to present oleg akuratov the way he does on stage when he introduces his musicians, this is a separate part of usually a concert, absolutely brilliant, and

no one can do it better than butman, he is unique, uniquely talented, uniquely educated, very nicely brought up. man, oleg akuratov, whom i first saw, uh, well, we saw each other, yes, oleg, where we saw each other, the first time, the first time, i came to your club, just when you came to my club, yes, when you i was quite small, yes, well, not quite small, for me it was 2005, for me it was - about 14 or 15 or 16 years old, maybe , but you could come, like that, you can come to me, so he came, i didn’t even have time to understand anything, and then there was an international competition, the world of jazz. growing up on dana, where oleg was one of the competitors, naturally, as soon as he started playing, it was clear that this was a grand prize , it would immediately go to oleg akkuratov, nikolai leinovsky, a wonderful pianist, an outstanding composer, and fattener, and i shed a man’s tear, because we, because when you see such talent,

it just touches you, you know, when ours, this the athlete borzakovsky won the olympic games, in my opinion, in 2004, and when he overtook everyone, so to speak, all the people in the world, at that time the best, then there was also such pride, and from this pride, you , i always have such tears of joy, as the famous hero said, so we saw the same thing with oleg and we both had such a tear, and then of course, the musician who sings knows great music, the history of music, plays classics, jazz plays, knows folk songs, sings in all languages ​​of the world, so he it’s impossible, it’s not the way i imagine it, that’s what it means you’ve met, i just can come to you, the living legend of jazz, to meet you, you can, this is me for those who for those who still want to come, who wants to approach, well, if they are as talented as kollek, then in general you don’t even have to say hello, but this is an appeal to talented people, by and large, since we are talking about the creative industry, you have to be, you have to

be proactive and not be afraid of the fact that you are not they will see, they will not understand, if you are talented, then they will notice you, but we have such a side that we have talents. if you are doing something, so to speak, doing a creative type of activity, so to speak, then first of all, you do it because you love, if you love, you want to convey this love to other people, and how to convey it, i must say, if you need to meet a person and you want, you have to tell him, i love you, how does a person know , convey this emotion, energy, well, that’s when we met, but i met when he was playing, i was not like him i would like to know flamboyantly many years ago, suddenly a musician plays, a musician who i have not heard in america, who... i have heard anywhere in other countries, a musician who is every second, this is not just something learned, every second is creative, oleg, tell me, when you were 14-15 years old you went to a club, then rostov, i saw igor on stage, and if all this had not happened, you now have a good

idea of ​​russian jazz, the music industry in general, that’s what would have happened next if this meeting didn’t happen, do you somehow picture it so-so? even to myself i didn’t ask this question, what would have happened to me if i hadn’t participated, uh, with igor and if i hadn’t played, i’m in his moscow jazz orchestra, that is, now i performed like a cricket in pinocchio, it turns out, well, igor is just very a good person , because i am him, i love him very well, i respect him, with great pleasure i always want to communicate with him, play, play, play, constantly and work in his team. igor, in your team, whoever you take, when you imagine, this is the winner of all possible competitions, and on this side of the other ocean, in general, americans, when they hear. so everyone is on the same stage

under your leadership, and there is another such group, where they are also gathered, there are also the best, probably, or you already have everything, well, in our country, no, but not everything is better, unfortunately , i can’t bring together all the best, because the orchestra requires 18 people , i would gladly invite, and if it was some new show where you can do everything, then i would invite you, you’re a producer, you when musician well, you understand, well, here we are also talking about music, we still play music, we we have certain forms in which we are trying to find something new, find a new form, take five trumpeters, but that means we need to write one more part for a trumpeter, another for trombones, a symphony orchestra assumes, let’s say there are some, how many violins are 100 people, well, 120, 120 people maybe, 20 velancheli, you know, on the other hand, well, there are wonderful musicians who play... make their own compositions, which are not the same they don’t play for me, but

then there would be something to do in the next century of jazz, because we will do it, but i’m sure that they are coming, young, very talented guys are coming to take my place , why a change, why so immediately, someone should do a relay accept the baton and continue to do this, because it is clear that such work, it bears fruit, it gives pleasure to people who come to concerts, this is new talent revealing itself, they could go into classical music, they could go to become an artist, anywhere, but into music, which i fell in love with, we made it so that these talents, such as oleg akuratov , evgeniy pobozhiy, anton chikurov, eduard, well , in general, the musicians who work with me, and ilya morozov, and alexander davgopoly, and ivan akat, these are all musicians who are in demand both as soloists of my orchestra, and as soloists of other orchestras, and as soloists they have projects, so they must move on, but i should not end with one person alone. i'm setting an example, maybe i'm sure that oleg will take this baton wand, he will have it later, he will find some young, talented guys, yes

, he is growing, growing, he has experience, musical, human, as for the creative industries, again so that people understand, these are creative industries , where everything is absolutely possible, you have a continuation of the celebration of the centenary of jazz that accommodates 50 regions, there can be so much experimentation, where young people... can throw in some new completely unexpected solutions for you we we we are absolutely looking for them we are open very very open and besides not only i can’t do everything, but oleg can tell me igor , there are some guys playing there, that’s what i would like to do there, there are a lot of projects that include folk music, folk music, there are musicians from tuva and jazz orchestras. there they play with their own national flavor, it’s very similar to others , other, other regions, other republics, and you come there and there you have a synthesis along with this, we celebrated there, we also celebrated

the centenary of jazz, we also performed with this orchestra, i performed together, played the ranges that i brought, and the ranges that they made themselves, connected with stuinskaya, with tuvan music, wherever we were, and we always have someone, especially now, when the centenary it was, for us, it was just our even condition that they be with us in a big concert where there were jazz stars. larisa dolina, oleg akuratov, fontini pobozhiy, there were guys there, local ones who play, who are the best, we selected them, watched them play with them, after that we naturally give and the opportunity to come to the festivals that we do, now is such an interesting time when few people can say unequivocally what the russian music industry is, i mean popular, popular, just 10-15 years ago... it was possible to give an answer, there were some projects that brought together the best pop-partists, now the situation

is a little bit not very obvious, there is an opinion , it seems to me that it is already widespread, that a new russian music industry should arise, which will be founded just based on our best examples of national music, but the question is who should do it, where should it come from, who should based on it. to make music that all of russia will listen to, who will be based on tuvan music, will also make sure that we begin to use these national motives in music, and, of course, try to move a little away from the west, well, the west is also in music sense, that’s correct, but to integrate our russian music there as much as possible, we have many nationalities and many what can be integrated there, that's when we can make sure that our russian music has... its face based on national motives, what do you think, well, this will happen over time, i think that someone will do it, naturally , maybe

let’s say, someone else will do it or someone else will do it? this is an open question, you leave it, you know? the jazz industry, which has now become, is small, it is very small, just as in principle in the world, jazz occupies a very small percentage, from the point of view view in general, in a common family, show business, including classical music, but before , many still don’t remember, but before there weren’t even professional jazz groups until ’76, 1976, although there were jazz musicians, people played. restaurants, some clubs appeared, but they were all conditional non-professionals, they played well, but not professionals, then the soviet union disappeared, many musicians left because there was no work, there weren’t those philharmonic connections there, now for 30 years have seen a lot of great musicians, a lot of festivals have appeared that are professional, but why did these festivals appear, because there was interest,

why there was interest, because in addition to our... guests who come, great musicians come from america, from europe, from asia, where our magnificent musicians, that is, we now must look not at what to play, what to play, yes, but how to play, how to make sure that our performance, recording, every moment is very, very important in the entire chain of musical works, many, of course, follow the path of least resistance, and this is accepted among us, but what does it mean... look at our, our popular music and even not popular music, such a type of music as , say, chanson, is not very popular there, no, it is very popular, but pop music is a little different, no, if it’s popular music, then it’s popular music, if it’s not popular music, then it’s not popular music, but we’ll see how much you can do with

a simple guitar like that, an original song. also a wonderful form of art and also ours, yes, of course, ksp, bard, author’s song, it’s all author’s, yes, but any song is author’s, i ’m telling you as the president of the russian authors’ society , so, but we’re talking now about quality , about the quality of the performance, the recording, the whole production, that’s what we strive for, nothing to play, yakut music can be great, it’s wonderful, but it needs to be made like this cover, remember how the queen group, they combined so many genres in one song with their bagen work, so with us, of course, i mean this

i mean, this shouldn’t be, if a bad song is in a good wrapper, it’s bad. there must be a good song, we must do this, we must learn to write further, further study, we have great hits, which too, no, we have everything, don’t get me wrong, but then we also need to look at this, and what we have bad songs, the same love, or even all the popular songs that all our stars sing, from small to great, well, good songs, how do we make sure that these songs have their influence even on the rest so to speak, an honest world. this is how we can do this, break the patterns, and this is right, and this is how to break them if you do n’t know how to play, you know, some people say, i play, say, modern avant-garde music, i don’t limit myself in anything, that is when we play national music, more or less, we kind of limit ourselves, we have limits, but they don’t have limits, they have limits of their own inability to play, they simply don’t know how to play and

pass it off as what they want, as real, if you didn’t have a framework, that’s what it would be you did it, but how can it be that there is no framework, well, it’s impossible, well, it’s just impossible, so wait, here, right here, equality is impossible, equality is possible, but there is no framework. hello, on the air of the sunday time program, in the studio of ekaterina andreeva, we will talk about the main events of the day of the outgoing

week. a nightmare for both houses. escalation. israeli conflict, the level of brutality is off the charts. the roots of the trouble and the reasons for the rapid worsening of the crisis in the middle east. the united states has decided. adjust everything yourself. fire ready to break out of the region. panic in kiev, will the west continue to feed ukrainian militants with weapons? there is a risk that international attention will be diverted from ukraine. this will have consequences. and the latest data from the editorial. the union of independent cis summit in bishkeg against the game according to western rules is trying to put pressure on everyone, if not to say, scare, intimidate, command

someone. and the big energy week in moscow is an example of how you can and should talk and negotiate. fathers, heroes and fathers-heroes. curls, once or twice. they don’t give up themselves, they teach others not to give up, on father’s day we talk about those who are worth emulating. more than 4,000 dead and almost 13,000 wounded, a sad result of the week since the escalation of the palestinian-israeli conflict. among the victims of the confrontation were 16 people who had russian citizenship, according to our embassy in israel. another eight are still missing, at least one ... compatriot, who also has israeli citizenship, is being held hostage by hamas, the situation in the gaza strip, which blocked israel , is close to a humanitarian catastrophe, the parties continue to exchange blows in kiril

brainin’s main article for the week about this terrible conflict, from the east, this is israel, from the western country, the city of rafah, this is the sea, the mediterranean sea. geography lesson from dr. raid. he and his russian wife live in rafah, a city in the south of the gaza strip, where the israeli army has invited palestinians to evacuate from dangerous areas. just look, they just bombed, in our city, you can probably already see the next one there is an explosion in the next block, which means the doctor will have a lot of work. we have a lot of dead people, a lot of wounded people, mostly children and women. we have 250 beds in the hospital, but the number of people treated with wounds and ordinary illness is three times higher, this despite the same lack of electricity and water as in the north of the sector, which israeli

aircraft are methodically turning into concrete dust, hospitals, which are rapidly running out of medicines since the start of the israeli blockade of the gaza strip, are overcrowded, each every day the whole world sees images of complete pain and despair. don’t be afraid, dad, be strong, it’s even worse in the morgues, where bodies are already piled on the floor, bodies, including dead children. the rescue services are unable to cope with the task of getting survivors out of the rubble, and there are only a few minutes before the hand of buried people no longer closes, so every saved life here is perceived as a miracle, especially if it is the life of... a child , this boy's parents still have hope,

the girl's father, who is trying very hard to hear the beating of a small heart is no longer there, in between air strikes, israeli aircraft scatter leaflets over the gaza strip demanding to evacuate, from which it is clear that this already narrow patch of land is actually cut in half, a million residents of the southern part will have to somehow compact, and accept the second million from the north, although even the path there does not guarantee salvation, rather on the contrary, on saturday the washington post reported an israeli plane strike on a convoy of palestinian refugees, the hamas movement said about the death of seventy people, more than 200 injured, hundreds of thousands were faced with the choice of taking a risk and possibly dying on the road, or staying with the same probability of meeting death at home. the family gathers together, far

from the windows. i wanted to talk about what is happening, but i think you can hear everything yourself. a girl from gaza, who once worked as a stringer for the british bbc, now keeps a diary of a besieged city. the dust from the next explosion will clear, the gas will again bring a tragic conclusion, the streets will be filled with funeral processions. islamic tradition dictates bury the dead before sunset. allahu akbar. israel also buries its dead, horrified every day by the new bloody details of the attack by hamas militants on october 7, from the silent footage of the video recorder capturing the shooting at a car that tried to drive past to the terrible evidence of the brutal massacre in kibbutz kfaraz of 200 victims, 40 of them children. you see babies, mothers. fathers, right in their bedrooms,

protected rooms, where they tried to hide, and where terrorists killed them, this is not war, this is not a battlefield, this is a massacre. those, the few who were lucky enough to survive this massacre witnessed the death of loved ones, in front of this young man his entire family was killed , the door opened, shots were fired, they threw a grenade, it exploded, the last thing his father said was that he lost his arm, and then my mom died right on top of me. imagine how those who survived feel, but know nothing about the fate of their loved ones, except that they are being held hostage by hamas militants. i want to ask hamas, don't hurt them, don't hurt the little children, women, if you want, i am ready to change places with them. the man's wife and two small children are being held hostage, and citizens of many countries are among those kidnapped. shanni luk is from germany, her mother recognized her by a tattoo on her leg. the girl

was captured. we have now received information that shani is alive, but she has a severe head injury , she is in a critical situation, every minute is critical, and we ask, no, we demand from the german government that it act quickly, we need to get shani out of the gas sector. rescue captured people the protesters are demanding the israeli ministry of defense in tel aviv, and at the same time the resignation of prime minister netanyahu. however, it is unlikely that any government is capable of getting anyone out of the gas sector blocked by israel; in dense urban areas without electricity, water, fuel, in conditions of a humanitarian catastrophe, no one will care about the hostages, even if the militants need them for exchange. hamas has already announced that until the end

of hostilities there will be no negotiations on... kaza will never be the same, we will destroy everything, whether in a day, a week or several, or even months we reach everything, hamas wanted to change the situation, they will regret it. hamas, meanwhile, justifies its attack by actions, here is a statement from one of the leaders of the movement, mahmoud merdawi. according to intelligence received by the resistance, israel was already preparing for an operation, first they had to organize the murder of resistance leaders, and then conduct operations in gaza and other regions, in response to all this this operation was launched. what does hamas not say about killing civilians? and the israeli military, reject all accusations of an excessive response and indiscriminate attacks on neighborhoods

in the gaza strip. according to our data, this is what we call them. with all due respect, look, what happened on saturday was absolutely horrific, but with all due respect, how good is your intelligence? fair question. obvious questions for israeli intelligence and the army, which clearly turned out to be unprepared for a hamas attack. however, they pale in comparison to the difficult to predict number of victims of the growing escalation of the conflict, a conflict that 3/4 of the century is not only no closer to its resolution, on the contrary, it is flaring up, only multiplying cruelty and suffering on both sides. israel, of course, faced such an unprecedented attack, which has never happened in history, and not only in scale, but in the nature of execution and cruelty, well , what can i say, we must call