do you know, he says, how the internet appeared? in principle, we at the pentagon conceived this, purely for military use, but we didn’t have enough money, he says, some kind of military budget, we had to share these technologies with the private sector, everything, he says, we understood very quickly that we no longer control this process, it has taken on a life of its own, the same thing is apparently happening: today with artificial intelligence, it is obvious to me that we still don’t know a lot of things, not everything can be foreseen, but it seems to me that it is clear that for the future of russia, including for russia’s military capabilities, this is an area where russia needs to do a lot, again, i spoke with a number of russians.

they believe that russian opportunities in this area, especially if russia works together with china, that russian opportunities can be very, very large, yuri, so i just wanted to say that if we talk about a condominium, then this maybe more of a russian-chinese condominium because i think the chinese well, they don’t trust americans at all, absolutely. that fat of mutual trust and respect that existed, it completely disappeared during the 10 years of sidinping’s reign, now the countries are, in general, on the brink of war for taiwan and, well, it’s simply impossible to imagine, and the americans are at the same time trying to limit china’s access modern information technology, with us, by the way, this could be one of... now in beijing, to

the computer, there was this one, they are so magnificent and it’s a shame that the younger generation somehow didn’t see them skating, and didn’t so, i haven’t heard of these great names, but i bow to them now, alexey nikolaevich, in fact, belousov and protopopov are really the first olympic champions in pair skating, i’m like a pair, i know this pair very well and... i always showed it to my students , because, for example, todos, this is the invention of this couple, and when you teach todos, you can’t help but show the lines of belousov and protopopov, and i studied from them like patterns myself, and moreover, and belousov and protopopov were in sochi at the olympic games, 2014, and we tatiana then congratulated them on the fiftieth anniversary of their victory at the olympics.

yes, it turns out that it was just the 50th anniversary of their victory and we won, and tatyana and i gave them a kind of gift, they were also very happy and of course it meant a lot to us, because we grew up watching their skating, but i’ll explain a little for our viewers, but let’s return to the phrase , yes, which was said by alexey nikolaevich, alexey nikolaevich is also, by the way, a doubles athlete and performed with the legendary tamara nikolovna moskvina in pairs and here on championship of the soviet union - took first place. they beat the great at that time olympic champions belusov and protopopov and the future greats rodnina zaitsev and the future greats rodnina and zaitsev indeed, and just then alexey nikolaevich uttered this brilliant phrase. but you generally have a lot of them, your wit is legendary, but not all of your students are good at interviews. maybe you should work with them not only on ice performances, hone their technique, but also teach them or maybe the right books for them give to read.

well, that's correct, but i would like to return to the previous emphasis of your question, regarding the quality of skating, you know, when you were skating, i watched, well, great, but when you amazed me, indeed, you know, recently there was a show tournament , i came just to see, well, you skated absolutely great, this is not a compliment, because you are the presenter, and i am the interviewee, no, you skated like that, is that right? it was insightful and so technically pure and competently thoughtful, and i’m even surprised how it’s possible after some time, a significant time since you haven’t skated, to maintain this form, well, to be honest, it’s true, i’m not flattering you, i’m not flattering you, the content is not bad, but the form is not very good, i don’t know, i was surprised, i was surprised to see how well, uh, you and tatyana

ride, if we talk about uh teaching, you know, teaching, you need to teach in general, in general you need to teach, everything, you need to teach. you need to teach a person, a citizen, teach, well, you know, you touched on something very serious, you touched on, i can’t, you touched on, you touched on very a serious and interesting and such a sensitive topic , i had good students who really became the era of figure skating and i saw other champions, also wonderful athletes, and what i want to say is to teach not to teach, you know, after all, this is what it means to be

a person - this you have to be born, you have to be born as a person, i know people who... in the era of socialism or post-socialism, they just walked along the corridor of higher educational institutions, they just passed, but i see that they, they didn’t learn so much, maybe they learned from from his student days, how much from life, if a person, a personality, he absorbs everything like a sponge. all this knowledge becomes a personality, and there are uh athletes who studied and did not study, and i call them a talented muscle, that’s why now i

have several students, one is a wonderful artist, the second one will be a wonderful doctor, a good athlete, the third is also unique in some way, this is this motive to teach, it is very, very like a ping pong ball, you give him, he gives you, and this communication, it enriches not only the student, but and the teacher himself, that’s what i... want to say about this, but this constant communication with twenty-, seventeen-year-old, and so on athletes, it seems to me that it also helps the coach remain modern, young, no, yes it is

probably right, yes, i even thought about it just now, the fact is that the people i communicate with outside the skating rink, i don’t have them, i only have people who are simpler inside the skating rink. and i must say that this communication with young people, this interest, this energy, this fire, it is not only with coaches, but with people who accompany you in sports, because people who are passive, who are not passionate about the ideas of sports, the ideas of good high achievements, the ideas of raising a good figure skater, they somehow do not stay in our figure skating. .. skating and in sports in general, so i think that the factor of communicating with young, energetic people is reflected in you, that is, in this regard, you are also, it seems to me, a very very rich person, but having such a group, so many athletes collections,

tell us, share, probably, how you all find the right words in the current situation in the world, in sports, that we are... strange, many, perhaps, want to finish, some go to other federations to compete, some motivation is falling, how do you keep your team, your big team, in good shape and in the desire to train, improve and win competitions within the country? the fact is that i have a very unconventional attitude: towards students, which is typical for the coach who prepared, the coach says, you know that i have prepared a world champion, a european champion, there are so many champions of russia and other competitions, major

competitions, and i say, lyosha urmanov, lyosha yagudin, zhenya plushenko, liza tukhtamysheva, this is the same arthur gachchinsky, other athletes, i want to thank you for making me the coach of an olympic champion or a european and world champion, because this is an internal attitude towards an athlete with deep respect and recognition of his talent, because i want to tell you with confidence that a talented a coach and a mediocre student will lose to a mediocre coach and a talented student, you need to... understand this line, this essence, this essence, not like in the army,

i’m the boss, you’re a fool, no, this is internal respect, they feel, i often make fun of them, well, in modern language, i make fun of them, but they feel that this is an attitude that carries respect and assessment. talent, hard work, then you, whom you supposedly teach, are actually learning yourself, this will be an evening of quotes, we need it, it seems to me, make these meetings regularly, at least a couple of times a year, in order to replenish them later , i may publish a book, quotes, from the great mishin, because for me this is actually a rather painful topic in terms of a coach, an athlete, because i my coach... i couldn’t find a common language after the sport, although i am very grateful to her. bison: the case of a fashion model.

tomorrow after the program time. сn snop gin, a product of the stellar group. once again, hello, and for those who have just joined us, i remind you that you are visiting me. professor alexey nikolaevich mishin. and if your athlete, who, as you say, brought you medals from the world championships and olympic games, becomes yours, allowed me to become him. yes, they allow you, yes , that's right, to become, then when they become your competitors, does something change in the relationship? i mean in terms of coaching, that is, alexey urmanov became a coach , won the russian championship twice with voronov, that is, mission lost with someone. so i just wanted to start with... with voronov and urmanov, well, here you just need to take how you should treat, you need to

treat this as derzhavin treated pushkin , there is no defeat less offensive than defeat from one’s student, and when i walk along the anniversary, i look at how he’s training, i see, it’s mishin, it’s mishin, i ’m coming there somewhere in zurich or... i want to say that to one of the american coaches, i say, well, it’s so offensive, look , they’re doing it, he says, this is your pride, and that’s why i treat it like this, well, i would internal pathos, beat, but not surpassed, this phrase does not work here, but this in relation to oneself. say those of my students who will beat me, but you still continue to share

your experience and some secrets as much as possible, knowing full well that later this science will work against you, you know, here i am, i have several students who quit skating, and i see that this one will be a coach, and this one will not be a coach, kaczynski will already be a coach, so if we talk about those people who will be, will not be a coach, for example, evgeniy semenenko was with me in switzerland and i couldn’t come to training, i looked, and he left him, i said, look after the boy, and i looked, he bit into him, ate into him, i realized from two, from 4-5 minutes, maybe he’ll be a coach. coach, not to be a coach, i don’t know, it depends on his life plans, but he can be a coach

, so who can’t, this, this, i remember, i remember, for example, stanislav shuk, when it was figure skating and there was no great one, he skated with nina, here he is, we skated on novosilevsky island, in the church there, and the church skating rink was 15.40 to 15.60 and there was a wooden flooring around one and a half meters, so we scattered along the flooring, grabbed the parts, lifted them up, even then they were the first skaters in the world who did lifts on... he couldn’t pass in those days, then there were no clans, societies, and there were societies, but there was no such high level of tension between coaching teams , and he could not help but train, this is great,

that is, he could not restrain himself from giving advice, and this must be in a person, this good or bad? it's not it's not good and not bad, this is the only possible option. i want to tell you something else, for example, a coach can be paid some kind of salary for training a student, maybe this student can be, say, the son or grandson of your loved ones, or he or the child will be very tall some kind of sports or... but a real coach can only train that one, for example, i ’m not afraid not to name myself, i’m not embarrassed to call myself just one of the coaches who are real, i can’t imagine, i can train only a student who is talented

and for whom a future is visible, and if you do not see this talent, then no money, this child, this teenager or this young man or girl, all of yourself. i wanted to talk about misha kolida, he is very talented, an athlete , a superb jumper, a superb skater, it seems to me that he just got to misha too late, if i... confirmed your words, it would turn out that i am shamelessly bragging, so i i won’t say this, because i must say that the edge that misha koleda has, and those are even magnificent

the programs that he demonstrated under the previous coach, under val, and under me, they were very bright, they came from him, they came from him, you know, here’s a cage, a non-sparrow got into a cage, a blue bird got into a cage, when i started studying with him, i, work, i came up with so many things, came up with all sorts of things, all sorts of techniques, finds, well, not so much, i continuously, that it was he who woke me up, he had a large stone tied to his neck, i still i didn’t figure out what this stone was, why he had such unexpected breakdowns, well, this is just some kind of alchemy, misha kolida’s philosopher’s stone, this is again to say that well, i know, this was necessary, it was necessary to load, it was necessary to unload, these are people who can really say, who have not encountered this

so, he is great, great in talent, and great in vice, and i am very offended that some group of people simply bullied him with these, well, fellas, because he did not deserve it, he worked, tried , i don’t know, we didn’t go to them with him, to the tsaritsa, we did everything that it’s only possible, and he tried psychologists, well, a psychologist, a psychologist, you know , psychologists are good, but... uh, i think if your athlete came, came to a psychologist, and you came with him to a psychologist, to a psychologist, it’s all the same, if a married couple came to a sexologist, does it mean that something is wrong with their relationship?

i agree, i’m also a psychologist by training, so i’m the biggest skeptic in this regard, well, not the biggest, i won’t say that, but i’m a skeptic, let’s just say, you and i are on the same wavelength, probably, but i went study psychology, because i was interested in it, to understand whether it really works or not, because i also worked as a psychologist in st. petersburg, when we trained with oleg vasiliev, with my previous partner, it was this psychologist who told me then, that you need to study yourself to become a psychologist, i can’t work with you, let’s go back to misha kolida, he coordinated with... the upcoming season, because i heard that misha will cover figure skating this season, that we will be like this or otherwise we will do it together colleagues, he once consulted with if we talk about the phenomenon of misha koleda journalism in the media sphere, well, i praise you, i

praise you, i don’t know, i already praised you, but now, well, here you are, well, maxim trynkov, well, i’m a wonderful skater , in general, there is a super-shmooper there and so on, as they say, young people, and misha koleda is some kind of incomprehensible little box. either pandora, or a box of some kind of goodness, he is incomprehensible, this is his intrigue, and this, i think, and this will be an interesting side for a thoughtful viewer, well, i hope that he will not, he in this, in in this area, i'm almost sure of this, he won't make butterflies, now you have a group of athletes, especially boys. can you, i will name the last name, and you will characterize each of them with one word, then let's lutfuli, no, wait, let's first agree on the rules, yeah,

this should be censored vocabulary, or not always, say how yes, we have a night broadcast, but how, as your rules allow, well , we have misha, firstly, everything is possible, and secondly, this is a night broadcast. okay, lutfulin, on this one i won’t answer your question, then another question is, how do you, uh, they are all rivals , they compete in training, how to manage such a training process, is it difficult, or maybe there are some control levers, well, if at all in this situations, it’s not difficult, there’s all competition, of course, this is normal, this is the key to progress, at

the time when plushenko was in yagudin, it was two bears in one den, in this situation in the situation that i now have, is it in a den or in one... together there other animals, others, some kind of barnyard of alexei mishin, it turns out, well, here’s a barnyard, well, to a barnyard, well, at least this is different, this is a cage with other animals, this is another zoo, let’s call it that, let’s call it a zoo, please, not a livestock breeder, i’m not not a livestock breeder, coach, don’t you think - in this context, that we don’t have much success in men’s single skating just because maybe the guys are no longer bears in the same den, they’re all friends, that there is no such

rivalry to go on the ice as on war, you know, i want to tell you that a modern zoo. our men's single skating includes quite intelligent people, only a slob can become an olympic champion, they too, they were also of course intellects, and we see that zhenya plushenko is a pillar, and alyosha yagudin works great in this field of yours , but these animals we are talking about, they are no longer from the forest, they

have already been to the zoo, and at home on this one, well, we continue, our guest is alexey nikolaevich mishin, honored, great coach, professor and master of quotes, you are a grandfather and naturally a dad before that, but none of your children are involved in figure skating , neither of your grandchildren, nor of your children, well, you know, we are preparing a surprise for you, for you, as a community, a media community, we tried, my son skated, by the way, he competed with rukavitsin and competed well with rukavitsin, so my youngest son immediately took after the first, our first grandson, alyosha, alyosha mishin, we tried to teach

skating. well, i rode, like this, i rode along the board, and to the mothers who stand for board, waved his hand like that, somehow communicated with them, and didn’t want to skate, but now we have a granddaughter katya, she skates like that, completes tasks like that, although her mom and dad are masters of sports in tennis, they are professional tennis coaches, and mom loves it, she fell in love with figure skating, our katya is already doing it, playing tennis and doing flags, bielmanns, axel splits, right on the tennis court, she immediately hits balls, it’s so nice, we should start watching with grandma, he moved away, now it’s difficult,

i don’t understand why you don’t run back, the little guy hasn’t yet you run back, you have to run back, my dear, it’s great , it’s convenient, a coach once taught me this, that you should try not to hit the ball from above, from below, if it’s further, though it’s less, the dynamics of the game are worse, but the shots are smoother, because that when he hits here, look, he hits from here, there is no force, but when he hits from below, it turns out very powerful, like now. well, lyosha, are you going to break it, or i, you, i, well, come on, i hit it, i hit it, yellow, your yellow one, i score the yellow ones, yes, yes, well, okay, if i score the yellow ones, then i...

i have a very difficult situation with the yellow ones, come on, don’t rush, so again, thank you, no problem, you love grandpa, it’s me, yes, yes, what kind of grandpa do you have, kind, always, kind, but not build. that's the problem, right? no, i know that in addition to your beloved grandchildren, you also have a favorite dacha, well, this is generally a shot in the top ten, but i want to tell you that talking about the dacha is not a question and answer, this is not an essay, this is not a story, and

this not a story. this is not a novel, this is a novel with a continuation, what we will devote our next meeting to, in the place of this house stood this one here is a multi-ton stone, a tractor threw it down and so, we found a place for this house , and here there were these... reeds like there and the tractor came and dug like that, washed the stones and piled them here and these birches, these birches had already grown after how i started working on this, this plot, i generally understand the question of how to prune, and how and how to plant, when to fertilize, i don’t have enough time, time to do it right, that’s why

i have... apple trees there are a lot of apples, there are few apples , at least this year there were some pears, maybe maybe we’ll eat pears, we’ll make some kind of compote out of them, maybe even a strong one, you know, i can’t say, what’s my favorite dish, i’ll give you an unexpected answer, gentlemen, i just, i just love cook, i make lamb, lamb with potatoes, fry the ranina, now add onions, then potatoes, when you cut the potatoes and

cook, stewed lamb with potatoes, you get distracted, absolutely not, don’t remember about axel, by the way. quadruple luzi and flips, well, well, but if the coach, if the coach thinks only about potatoes, only about potatoes, i don’t remember about axel, that’s also bad, right? eat, eat, eat, nati, but the horns are sharp, strong, strong horns, strong horns, this

is a well-known breed, it’s not special at all, but it’s beautiful, my wife and i live like this now, everything is for our grandchildren, and this is their very pleases. to conclude our conversation with you , let me tell you what true love is, true love, young people, is the love of grandparents for their grandchildren. alexey nikolaevich, thank you very much for coming, it was very interesting, informative, sparkling quotes and food for thought. thank you for that. you have come, can i shake your hand, thank you, i remind you that you can watch all episodes of the free program podcast on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru.

hello, we have a lab podcast. my name is dmitry bak and i am the host of a literary podcast with a very intriguing name, let them not talk, let them read, our guest today is the honored artist of russia, rector of the mkhat studio school, igor yakovlevich zolatovitsky. hello, igor yakovlevich, hello, dmitry petrovich, i say for the last time on you, since we are on you in life, today we will also try to be on you, so as not to get confused, if you don’t mind. i will be glad, yes, yes, we are friends in life, i am sure that today we will talk interestingly about theater and literature, and it happens that when from the future you look at the creative path of a person, anyone, fyodor mikhailovich

dostoevsky, igor ekovich zlatovitzsky , anyone, how pleased i am that you are close, yes, well, in eternity, in eternity you are close, of course, sometimes it seems that this such a straight climb that a person logically goes from peak to peak. dostoevsky in 1846, 1846, published his novel “poor people”, yes, this is still early, but still already a great dostoevsky, in fact, if you read his correspondence, he writes to his guardian, give me money, i don’t have winter dress, i will die now, and i will become a great russian writer, because i have already written a great novel, i will sell it for a lot of money, what a lot of money, his guardian, his sister’s husband, tells him, my question is, how everything... in your case it was, was it such a path to the top, stellar, along such a trajectory, not along a parabola like voznesensky’s, but along an ascending one, or did you have to change something, cool, i’m

a happy person, i have there is such a phrase in one performance, zhenya greshkovets, yes, i am happy, i consider myself happy, i really don’t feel it, these are different things, but i ’m lucky, this is how it all turned out, of course, if you remember some nuances like that, of course , everything was not easy, tashkent, absolutely not a theatrical family, please tell me, here the joke is true that there were two melons under your arms, i heard this 100 times, no, but they weren’t two melons under your arms, there were more of them, because i was on the train taking them to friends and to the theater, of course, moscow , because my dad was a railroad worker and of course, there’s so much on the plane. you will bring everything, and since my grandmothers were first cousins, second cousins, and the most famous story, when they had already taken me to amkhad, my mother says, you pass efremov’s melon, this is from my mother, this is already ma’am, this is already coming from from mine

biographies, my mother's melon, so my mother was absolutely sociable in this sense, and if the theater, some kind of bridge is transferred to my parents, then it is of course my mother, my father was an incredible kind person, of course... there were children of the war, but igor yakolevich is not evil , although one girl asked me somewhere at some interview, the little girl said, and you are an evil rector, i say, very much. in general , this is such a bridge, uh, from my mother to the theater, because she was so sociable, she was generally an actress in life, of course, in her youth she looked like anona mordyukova with a braid, such a young beauty, a beauty, she still solves cases when you have already become an actor, and before that she decided the case that i came to enroll in a chess club, thank god, or he was closed, i don’t remember this anymore, this is still tashkent, of course, tashkent, and you don’t want to.

go to the drama club, so as they say, since then i’ve been in the drama club, yes, yes, practically, almost 50 years, but a little, maybe less, 40, 45 years, i’ve been with that, since then i’ve been in the drama club for different things level, vasily smyslov died, the new one or mikhail tal, who knows, i think you succeeded, yes, yes, yes, and you can imagine, it just had to coincide, i think that in your life a lot had to coincide with us, it had to coincide, to be at the right time, in the right place, not to enroll once, to return to tashkent, to work for a year for you , that’s how it was, and to work for a year at a factory with such amazing guys who are aviation yes, the tashkent aviation plant, it moved during the war, and these are the guys, who know the price of the work, these were real hard workers who told me, you don’t stay here for long, son, and i told them? i’m there, it’s clear that after 2 days they started calling me an artist, so

, but i still remember uncle tolya is huge, a huge guy with such fists and my first lesson was, he tightened the nut, said, unscrew, unscrew, and i for about three hours he turned it away, hit the hammer, yet it had to be so that later he could go, enroll, and not just somewhere in the studio hut school, but why exactly there, but we everywhere we act like applicants now. and then, of course, the pike rattled with great teachers and at the same time recruited the amazingly great teacher yuri vasilyevich kotin yartsev, my teacher viktor karlovich munyukov, who at one time, who was all the time, was no less iconic.

well, he came from the front, he entered in 1943, by the way, come on, let us say that the eightieth anniversary of the studios school is coming, this year we are in the month of november, here in the very first year of the war, and already before its death, vladimir ivanovich nemirovich danchenko, stanislavsky is no longer here, and he comes up with this and government decree, that’s what, you know, it’s forty-three, it’s still unclear how the war will end, only stalingrad is over, just yet, but. it was, of course, that’s why there’s a photograph of this announcement hanging by the elevator that they are announcing recruitment, there are set designers, actors, ’43, ’43, and the production department is vadim vasilyovich shverubovich, the son of vasil kochalov, and so on and so forth, but that’s all it formed into some kind of puzzle, so much

already once you say it’s a coincidence, how good it is that you remembered samoilov, because i don’t know a lot of poetry, but i have david samoilov, because i knew and was friends with, well, i was friends, i wasn’t friends, this is something that was said in a stupid way , but with zenoyfich gert, who were wonderful, i now have goosebumps, and he and samoilov were friends , samoilov was called dezik, the weasels knew about each other, and i learned poetry thanks to samoilov, thanks to zeniych, because at one of the last he had already left his evenings, and katiger, his daughter and mother did his creative evening was such a big one at the operata theater, they carried him to the cross.

and he read something there, uh, gert, now we’re distracted from tashkert, by the way, he read it, and i went crazy, it’s clear that i don’t read like that, that is, let’s go to the city we visited, years since we left our suitcases at the station, and i, and that yes, and that i equally let passions subside, and that i didn’t, that you can’t be careful, that you can’t be careful, oh how late i realized why i exist, so returning there, you know, well, how about this step by step, you slowly understand, not why it exists, but what it might be for, it’s loudness, why it exists, someone will determine probably why the creature would have been spared, this boy tashkensky would have entered some tashkent university for and you want to fly back after all- after all, the ticket cost 56 rubles the plane was enough such in the eighth year there was a lot of money go work a little so i went and earned a ticket and arrived then of course now

i’m telling the children to the students, guys, stay with each other as long as possible, it will be easier it will be easier to manifest. it’s clear that not the whole course, it’s clear that at most you will have 5-6 people, that’s the maximum, but if two or three are also good, you know our friends who left early, and roma kozyk and dima brusnikin, that was all they were together, marina was here, well, masha mashunya, seryozha zemtsov, the dean of the acting department, the head of the course, but more on that later, but i say, that’s all, that’s all these people. you understand, this tashkent, everything went well, and i arrived at 17, 17 years old, i entered in seventy-nine, i was 18 turned out during admission, who taught? there were wonderful listens, related directly to the moscow art theater, firstly

there was evgeniy aleksanovich evsigneev, he really came to the third year, he did a graduation performance with us, with this family with evgei, well, with denis we are just friends somewhere too from the same years of the 7th-80th year, because at the same time he studied in ovgiyk and some mutual friends, well, evgeniy sanovich, well, of course, you can only brag that we touched him, because all of them, all of them are contemporary , all his classmates, oleg pavlovich sabakov , said, byligneev, then a long, long pause, then we all leveled up. talent, and diversity of gift, from such absolute kamism to the highest tragedy, absolutely, yes, such, sofia stanislavna pelyavskaya , direct student of vladimir ivanovich nimirovich danchin, that is, you are the grandson of the world, you and i press on each other, through one,

through two, no, through one it will be mi,