[000:00:00;00] this is a person who most accurately and vividly conveys the state of the national mentality in a given specific period of time, and as for our national cinema , in the first 30 years of soviet power, the main director of the country was joseph vaseryonovich stalin, it is unlikely that there was anyone who was able to stick to his line, or rather there was such a person, his name was sergei mikhailovich izenshtein, imagine, the fact is that ezenshtein considered himself a figure absolutely equal to stalin, he felt incredible respect to people capable of turning the world upside down, he considered himself the same, he was not at all afraid of them, neither arrests, nor any stalinist influence, only with such a worldview could he do what he eventually did, that is

, he reflected - some movement, some a change, a mass expression of the will of nations, which at first seemed spontaneous, but then acquired some, some organized features, in battleship potemkin, in the strike in october, the achilles heel of einstein’s creativity was still its certain archaism, sergei mikhailovich i clearly understood that it was not my cinema that had the greatest emotional effect, with its hyperbolism, with its emphasis on both the camera and some excessive acting, as soon as sound came to cinema, immediately all the emotionality went to waste, miinshtein tried as best he could to prolong the period of silent cinema in mexico, where

talkies were of course bad due to technology. backwardness, then alexander nevsky made a not very successful film, full of some kind of excessive pathos, and finally, on ivan terrible, he understood how to return silent cinema, he moved on to truly operatic aesthetics, majestic scenery, music of his constant colleague the great sergei sergegevich prokofiev, constant either dancing in the frame, or negotiations with such a demonic harsh recitative in the style of classical opera, they are capable were able to re-introduce the spectacular emotionality, since esenstein, although no one else could. when he died, the position of chief national director remained vacant for quite a long time, primarily because the country

changed the system in some way, it moved from bolshevik absolutism with... stalin khrushchev in the center, to the still collegial brezhnev leadership, the system changed slightly, to express this, people, not everyone was ready, there is a feeling that during the 11 years of khrushchev's rule , any serious and accurate exponent of the surrounding life did not appear, but he appeared exactly after the brezhnev coup of the sixty -fourth year, in the sixty-fifth year other adventures of shurik came out, the fact is that it was at this moment in the soviet in russia, a middle class began to emerge, with its very specific urban approach to the realities of life, to the needs of certain freedoms, and so on, and the unconditional representatives of the class were shurik on the one

hand, and the successors of his businessmen. shurik was the first student on the big screen in many years, nikita sergeevich hated students, for 11 years not a single picture was released in which the student was a positive character, shurik was actually the first, and he not only crammed lectures and answered evidence, but led yourself as a full-fledged romantic hero, fought with the punks on balalaikas, then fought with her on rapiers, then wrapped lumpina in wallpaper and carried out educational work with him, and this obviously made an indelible impression on the most beautiful girls of moscow and the moscow region of the near transcaucasia. this is still the burn with fire podcast and i, its host, denis gorelov, with a story about the most important events of national cinema of the past 30 years, about the leading trends - the development

of national... cinema about where it will go move as soon as possible. as for the senior economist of giproryba, semyon semyonovich garpunkov, he was a bearer of deeply traditional values ​​in every possible way. resisted the various temptations that the foreign world offered, uh, where he traveled on the steamboat mikhail svetlov, and uh, the bearers of the ideology of this world, gesha and lyolik, ah, simyon semyonovich stood firm, rejected both gold and diamonds and a robe with mother-of-pearl buttons, and even in general, at critical moments he would give me a beer if he went out drinking. then definitely at the same time he sang the russian national anthem, a song about hares, these were the main people of the emerging new world, another thing is that in the seventies, gaidai’s cinema

really deteriorated, perhaps not through his fault, the fact is that reality deteriorated, inside - the new middle class had its own rather specific stratum... the money-grubbers and the gaidai simply could not help but notice it, on the one hand, because he was quite a sensitive, understanding artist, on the other hand, because he himself loved very much money, he didn’t hide it, there are 12 chairs in the film, all the characters were swindlers, there can’t be pozoshchenko in the film, all the heroes were swindlers, and even in the film the auditor is incognito from st. petersburg, also all the heroes were swindlers, even in ivan vasilyevich changes his profession , the weight of the swindlers was such that it is quite difficult to say who is the main character in the film, ivan vasilyevich appears quite rarely, and in the end he is taken away in a straitjacket, as for

shurik, who appears there under the name of engineer timofeev and transporting ivan vasilievich and the manager of the bunshu house, back and forth in the middle ages and back, he is clearly losing the platform... to the surrounding baggage and even his wife, the beautiful girl lida, leaves him for yakin, so the truly bright people there are zhullik miloslavsky, zhullik, well, the petty rogue director yakin, this is a rather frank and correct reflection of the surrounding reality, it just so happened that even in sportto 82, the film that was the last. in the performance of pugovkin and kakshenova they often outplayed the bright, beautiful positive hero, played by algis arlauskos, not because arlauskos is a worse

artist, because in life the swindlers won, this, in fact, was the end of soviet aesthetics and soviet life, it came to the point that in... at that time with balabanov, almost in the same year as my brother, maxim pezhimsky’s wonderful film mama don’t cry was released, where the myth of such a bandit’s ridge was actually worked out. both corrupt policemen and bandits from different sides were looking for a vulnerable, some mythical creature called a sailor, whenever they practically grabbed him by the tailbone, some kind of grace came over him... they were released as a real, real christ, our jesus iosifovich, because they felt that he was walking on the right road, and even if he goes on a long journey, he always remembers that

the homeland is waiting, there is no place in the whole world, we are dearer than our native country, the song was sung just at the credits, in fact, somehow, only... representatives of gangster groups, many decent directors could preserve their property and self-respect rose on this, and around the time of the brother, a year after its release, the country experienced a default, and the ruble, of course , fell, television simply did not have the money to purchase foreign tv series, at that very moment the formation of a national tv series business began, producer kopitsa released the first season of streets of broken lanterns and the first season of national security agent, unfortunately, then the series deteriorated, because

some kind of law enforcement pathos had already become applicable to it, and somewhere in the fifth or sixth season, it became completely impossible to watch all this, first the main directors fell away from the series, then kopic himself died, in 2004 , if my memory serves me correctly, then in the end, all the main characters began to drop out one by one, in general, by the sixth season there were no broken street lights left. nothing that was in the first and it is quite difficult for current viewers to explain what a sensation the picture made at the time of its release in ninety-nine, this is still the podcast burn with fire and i, its host denis gorelov with a story about the most important events of national film production and national film distribution over the past 30 years, about the main trends in the development of national cinema and how it will develop

in the very near future. the country was changing and some circumstances no longer corresponded to balabanov’s main message of resistance to the surrounding world, of course, he still inertia of the audience’s perception and understanding of the surrounding world by filmmakers is quite large, balabanov remained in charge until his death, over there, go, maybe i’ll take it, my star is always with me, in 2013, in my opinion, ah, but at that moment it was already quite obvious that a new time had come, a time of abundance that suddenly fell on my head, a time when around.. quite predictable stability

and td. and here a new director was already needed, he actually appeared in 2013, the first film of director andrei pershin, gorko, was released, pershin’s name is absolutely unknown to anyone in the country, because he shot all his films under the rollicking pseudonym zhora kryzhovnikov. these were igorka, and gorka 2, and let 2, and the best. and the tv series call dicaprio, in times of stability people most often begin to engage in their personal lives, the films were mainly concentrated around personal internal relationships in families, and it is not at all surprising that in almost all of the listed films the wife played, kryzhovnikov’s then wife, yulia alexandrova, his then muse. heroes. were generally quite

strange, it cannot be said that there is at least one positive in the gooseberry films character, on the other hand, you can’t call them all at least unconditionally negative, these are people who can hit you on the head with a bottle, on the other hand, pull you out from under the fire and become your best friend, in general, our compatriots surrounding us , and a very accurate look, perhaps, with the most sympathy, he treated the wife of her characters, but when his wife in the film, on the best day , took a crowbar and crushed a police car, it became clear that this, of course, was a real storm in the desert, to she also needs to keep at a safe distance, as in general with all of us, and to be honest, everything... the problems that happen in the films

are miraculously corrected, and sometimes even in a truly magical way, remember how in the film the irony of fate at one time , everything developed between the moscow doctor and the st. petersburg teacher, not quite in the right direction, when they had already started dancing among themselves, things were openly heading towards sex and it was... it was absolutely clear that if something happened between them, then there would be no continuation this couple won't exist, that's all saved by a drunken hippolyte, who kicked the door for a long time, shouting that he had been warmed up and robbed, and in the same way, in all of kryzhovnikov’s films , something unexpectedly beautiful, magical always happens, which corrects all the misunderstandings and returns all the heroes to the correct orbit. now

let's kiss, let's jump, no, well, this will be our ceremony, come on, bitter, naked, look at him, uh, quarantine, come on, jump, oh! well, come on, quentin, my dear

goalkeeper, there are idiots again. koryzhovnikov is a deeply uplifting author, and i think that is why such formal recognition by the film critical community did not happen to him. our intelligentsia loves to wash clothes more than anything else in the world, and if you look at the list of 50, chosen by critics, the most important films of the last twenty-five years, you will understand that after each of these films you want to hang yourself, not a single film... there are no gooseberries among them, another thing is, that i already had the opportunity to make sure that this person, the most accurate spokesman for stable times,

quite a lot of people agree with me, sakhalin to me true, some viewers said that gooseberry and balabanov are incomparable, but the times of abundance of money that fell on one’s head are also not... comparable to the dashing nineties , in fact, the heroes of gooseberry are the goonies, who, as a result of suddenly appearing prosperity, are tempted to become euro-boobies, but stick to their own, traditionalist glances remain themselves, and now there is a new stage, the stage of unconditional and frank confrontation and - the people who will best express this period are still in the shadows, i can’t to say who it will be, at the moment a whole group has emerged - such new wild directors, this is kiril sokolov, who shot

wonderful films dad, tear it off and throw it away, about a real bloody civil war within families, which still ends well, this is pyotr dikarev with guyler's film with zakhar prilepin in the title role, this is roman zhzhigalov with the film forest, this is roman mikhailov with the film a tale for old people, nikolai rybnikov's film chicago seems to be moving in the same direction, this is such a wild russia. deciding its problems, sometimes even at the cost of prison and scrip, but still not deviating from the set course, there is no doubt about it that a new director will appear, perhaps not tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, sometimes inertia

requires a wait of about three to four years, but he will definitely be, in due time valery todorovsky, when he just turned... they asked why there are no new torkovskys in the country? he said: no, that means it’s not necessary, as soon as a request for a new torkovsky appears, the new torkovsky will immediately appear in orbit. likewise, in the country there is a demand for a new spokesman for confrontational times, there is an effective demand in cinema cinema, which means there will definitely be this new director. let's talk in five years, it was a podcast burn with fire and i, its host, denis gorelov, with a story about the main current

cinematic trends. minor-key discussions about loneliness, hope , unhappy love and experiences that will resonate in the soul of every person, these songs can be considered as an expression of the russian sad soul. hello, we are here today gathered thoughts about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon and the spiritual search of russian musicians. hello, dear friends, vyacheslav gutusov, alexey belov, i’m very glad to see you, so what. i read this from a modern article dedicated to russian rock, yeah, i would like to ask you, as a warm-up question , how ready you are to agree with this, i would say that... mm, my aspirations now to say everything -there is more about happy love

than about unhappy love, but you are talking about now, so in principle, if we, is it possible to say, this is how the author of this article believes that a large segment of rock composition is an expression of the russian sad soul, alexey nikolaevich, well, in some ways he is right, of course , because, because if you say that it’s like digging deeper and to say that sadness is about god, that is, about god, then this is probably so, well, this is a well-known state of the russian person, that’s because he never imagines himself in some kind of ideal, so he is always sad about the fact that he did not achieve something that he could have achieved, at least looking at the icons at the saints, yes, well, that is, this sadness is not about the imperfection of the world, the world is also probably in some way, of course, because this also saddens a person, so he

knows that once there was paradise, there everything was there, even the animals were talking, and then here is the story twice, and what is the transition from this sadness to the joy that you just talked about, well, i would say that it happens with difficulty, because this is what, oh what alexey is talking about is about the losses that occurred after adam, the first man, left paradise, and came to this world, so to speak, to nourish it with his own efforts , well, of course, with god's help, but - man has lost a lot, including things connected with nature, with nature, yes, if there are animals in paradise they knew him perfectly well , they understood each other, moreover, adam was, so to speak, their patron of the earth, yes, he named names, yes, he gave them names. then as soon as he went out of the gate and as soon as archangel michael

closed the gate with his sword, the animals stopped recognizing adam and they directly told him, you have lost image of god, we don’t recognize you, they started growling at him, and they are still growling, listen, i called rock musicians, theologians and friends came, but i still want to torment you a little, you know, to ask you, maybe , to step back a little, maybe... even from current internal experiences, although we will definitely talk about them, but i would still like to talk to you, you know, how in science there is such a method of included analysis, yes, when, because the scientist is usually already detached, yes, included analysis is when the person himself is engaged in some kind of process, and he describes it, yes, you know, with the courage of an amateur i want to ask you this question, if i understand correctly, russian rock has two sources, this is english-language music, and this is russian literature and, more broadly, russian culture. that’s how much you can agree with this formulation of the question, well, if you can say so, the russian lesson is comfortable with these

two parents, well, regarding english speaking, alexey, i think, is very cool, now he can say better, including in english more a rich experience, yes, but still the russian has a hand, this is not an un-russian phenomenon, you know, of course , the phenomenon itself is not russian, but let ’s say i was lucky enough to be friends with such a person as frank zapa, and an absolutely brilliant musician, so he, uh, had a tremendous love for russian music, for him sorovinsky was something there, yes, and he constantly reminded us of this, this is the second half of the 19th century, the composers of those who were called the mighty hummock, especially musorsky, who actually and... probably most of all inspired strovensky, in fact, even while in the united states, i suddenly found

out that the most played composer in the world is chikovsky, i didn’t know before, i was so surprised, so i asked my friend who was in second place, she studied classical music, she says, in second place is storinsky, in third is rakhmanov, this is a playlist of classical radio stations in america, you know, that’s why, despite the fact that we took a lot from english-language rock, this is of course a colossal school, colossal the material is in its own way the depth of depths, they took a lot from our russian music , that’s why it’s all for a reason, it ’s the cycle and water in nature, but this is really what you remember, our beloved marya andrevna zhurinskaya wrote about rock , when, as a phenomenon of world culture, yes, in my opinion, this is the natural next... so to speak, there was a stage in general in the development of culture, just like literature, well, you can call it,

who, so to speak, adopted it to a greater extent from whom, too it's so complicated. process, he to some extent - it continues, and, well, as for modern music , we can say that everything there has been very much reduced due to sub-currents, various stylistics, sub-stylistics, that is, this is a branch, uh, that is already going into subtle music that is so specific that it dissolves itself into thin air, so to speak. in the sheets, here the actual structure is the same, i will definitely ask about this, again with the impudence of a delitian, but i want to return to the topic of literature, because in my understanding russian rock, of course, inherits russian literature, i was listening to you just now, you said about literature, i remembered that

dostoevsky told us about responsiveness. in the famous pushkin speech, that this is the genius of pushkin, that he could be , in contrast to this, it’s interesting, without inventing anything, if, this theme of the responsiveness of russian literature, it is preserved in russian rock, we can say that russian rock, he is responsive, but i think yes, because we are so closely connected in general with the canons of literature that in my opinion, i don’t i know where else the text is so developed, for example, in combination with music, but here, this is definitely a very important thing, and you will agree, alexey nikolavich, that it seems to me that this is such a slightly clichéd perception that russian rock is more the text or is it based on the text, and the western one on music, so i just heard the opinion that this is a very simplified perception, especially in the west there is such a thing, yes,

few people know that in the english language there are more than 100 thousand... more words than in russian, and shakespeare’s word is greater than pushkin’s word, here, but russian is rock, it’s nowhere without a word, just, you know, if there is no word, then there is no russian rock, in english rock, the word also meant a lot, there it was conceptual and cult and the performers were those who used the word masterfully , such groups as pink floyd, the same summer zeplin, for example, i was a child, i did not distinguish ledzelin from purple and... i liked both, but being, already living like this, in the united states, i suddenly discovered, that they are some kind of long-winded giants, giant ones, and deepival is such a strong pop-rock band, yes, and when the nineties came, such a movement as alternative music appeared , there it was no longer possible without a word, everyone paid attention to the word, although there was kbain, he chewed the words,

it was not clear what he was saying, but nevertheless deciphered words are everything... that he is trying to say about something important, but in our country, probably, the musical part suffered more often, in general in our country, precisely from the point of view of rock, here in our country, at first, when there was the soviet union, everything in general banned, i just personally went through it, and then people just didn’t began to deepen greatly, so probably the russian lesson has a great future, as when they begin to analyze the entire past very seriously from the point of view of russian music , then they will shovel all of dostoevsky , then they will be able to do something of genius, so i want here you have what is it called with this place in more detail, we once talked about this topic and then this thought stuck with me , including, forgive me for its non-obviousness, but you said the best of russian rock is ahead and if

it can be combined with the depth of dostoevsky yes, this will be what we are all waiting for, yes, consistency, yes, that’s how much , well, again, i don’t want to offend anyone, but in my understanding, but dostoevsky is symphonic music, in any in case, not necessarily, the same pink floyd is such a stripped-down dostoevsky, but very fragmented, so they tried, so to speak, to dig into such philistinism, and so, in fact, they achieved a certain effect, of course, dostovetsky’s breadth is millions. i really liked the saying, i forgot it name, this is an actor who received five or six amys, it’s like in tv series it’s such an oscar, so he came to orthodoxy, he says, i discovered dostoevsky, i often have to play scary people, some scoundrels, here and i suddenly realized that dostoevsky wrote about terrible things from a position of light, uh-huh, this is very difficult, this is very

difficult, and this is a huge... the strength for rock music is just a colossal field of activity, and you agree with that , what is still ahead of the russian hand? it's possible, but the way things are developing reacted diplomatically, no, but i’m just watching how music develops, yeah, modern, it’s quite possible that at some level it will take on a slightly completely different breakthrough, another turn will happen, and this will be a different level of quality, so don’t you think that this is still too binding for rock music like this... a proposal or something , or am i wrong, here, in my opinion, this is a good level that allows a person not only to develop, but even improve in some sense, speech

it’s about the spirit, and so to speak, in the form of a word, a certain aesthetics of some kind, about how the thought itself is formed, yes, how deep it all is, really. regarding anything and everything that is happening now, with him are gogol, and pushkin, and leo tolstoy , despite everything, with gogal it’s even somehow simpler for me, i can’t explain it, but it’s so intuitive, somehow it doesn’t occur to me, nothing sticks out to me, gogol ’s hands, i somehow understand all this, somehow i understand, gogol is a punk, in general, in my opinion, he has such a specific language, especially from the current point of view. and why? when i read, for example , classics, yes, literary ones, i notice how rich the language is, how everything is carefully structured there, how everything is formulated there, but gogol has a very

unique language, a punk among the classics. vyacheslav butusov, alexey belov, i’m vladimir ligoida, we’re talking about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon, i know, there’s something else i want to talk to you about, about my personal journey, that ’s the first... question: that’s what you think, that’s spiritual searches, which we obviously see in the life path of musicians in their work, this is connected to a greater extent with the generation , because this is a time of search, but the end of the eighties, the beginning of the nineties, and not only musicians went through this path, or after all what you do has left its mark, this is more the reason , or it’s both, that’s how you think, it seems to me that sooner or later in the life of every person there comes a moment when, well, he’s more starts to think about

about what is happening in his life, how it happens , you begin to understand, so to speak, well, seeing over many years how this world is developing, you begin to ask certain questions and in general, to be honest, for me the path of a person’s attention is that , that we increasingly notice over the years how much the world is in a triangular position, if we take there, for example, childhood and school, yes, i didn’t care much about what was happening around me, except for the fact that in the international panorama one could see some short excerpts of probble, here, but i can say that this did not concern me at all, not only because? that i was not interested in this, it was as if i was protected by some kind of force, some kind of cover , you know, a conventional cap, so mystical, and when you start to think about how

to protect yourself, so to speak, so as not to completely dry up, uh, in this in a raging world, then, of course, you wonder how this can be achieved, and in fact, this is the path to god, but the most difficult thing is when you understand that yes, there is a way out, there is salvation, this love is the path to god, yes, as anthony of surrozh said, at the last judgment, it will become clear to us that the only thing valuable in this life is love, so when you realize at that moment that you need to go to god, i i’m not even talking about...

at this moment other things terrify you, that you need to uproot this entire field, and this is a very painful process, uprooting stumps and roots, it didn’t just collapse, just like that, very complex, time-consuming and painful. and after that, you can plow this one, so to speak. the soil to sow it, but if i understand you correctly, you think that this is still related to age and generation, and not more likely? than with what you were doing, i thought so until some time, until i was faced with the fact that i saw young people, which - in our time, may be even more difficult in some sense, because it is more intense, more tousled, yes, because the passions are right on the surface, and so at that moment when i saw these young people, i joked a little in my theory, by age it has no meaning.

relationships, well, this, this is good, when we, so to speak, can stagger into theory, alexey nikarovich, what do you think, now i’m just talking about personal search, it was more connected with time, with what was in air, in general, or with what you were doing, like you , i think that god determines everyone’s own path, and so leads everyone along this path, because when i came to faith, when i probably had a second such ...' the most important vedasection, it was a meeting with saints, with father nikolai guryan, well, with the great elder, so i had a lot of questions, but one of them, since i had heard a lot about music, about rock and other things, it was in the bowels of the church, so i went up to the priest and i say, grandma, but my craft is pleasing to god or not, so he was dumbfounded, he said anything, so he knew that i had positive and negative experiences,

once upon a time, that’s when parkogo appeared and we made different works, so somewhere they tried to go deeper, something we had was just straight rock rock, that’s the truth way we began to change very much, changed a lot, changed, until the very end , while the group, so to speak , functioned in its entirety, we changed all the time, when the first album came out, then there was no internet and letters poured in from all over the world . i saw these bags, there were bags, bags, bags, it was just one day, and they told me, read this pile of letters, so i started reading, there were letters from all over the world, and almost all the letters said this, this was about just one song, thanks to you, this song helped me not to commit suicide, it was my first positive experience , although i didn’t change then, rock and roll remained, i still flew like a meteor, for a long time, a few more years,

forward, and later there was a negative experience, and that’s all part of the way, that’s why i was just embarrassed and i needed to ask this question, and i asked, but look, this is a question, it’s even, today we remembered gogol, maybe not by chance, yes, after all, gogol is without every fate experienced this colossal internal conflict, and i think here’s your question, my craft, maybe he said creativity, i don’t know yet? whether it pleases god, it’s not at all a fact that he answered it, and or it’s definitely not a fact that he answered the same way as you, yes, because, rather, he said, my craft, my creativity is nothing and is not needed before, i’m deliberately sharpening this now, yes , that is, this conflict, hiv, has been going on for you, maybe it’s still going on, um, it, it exists, yes, it exists, and i think it will, uh, somehow develop,

so... alexey was just talking about these things, and i remembered bosch’s famous painting triptych, called the garden of earthly delights, and you see, the 14th-15th centuries were strict times, then playing music was already considered a sinful thing, and although we were talking, in general by our standards, about completely harmless things , just playing... on musical instruments, notes are also depicted there, so it seems to me that in this case, this is the measure that a person chooses for himself, of course, that’s how much you want, and if you really want it to be like , you just need to cut off any blasphemy, any heresy, any foul language, you just need to cleanse yourself, occupy yourself with it... that is, everyone, including

revolutionaries, but i don’t think that gogol didn’t understand this, he understood, of course, but why did he have this then the decision is there, i don’t want to go into biographical details right now, but he is, well , this is a sine wave, this is characteristic of a person, this is human nature, and i think that maybe there was no such person next to him, or he i wasn’t looking for such a person, although... we used to go often to optina and even lived in the skete, now women are not allowed there, but before, before they were allowed in, and we went to night services, they let me read the memorial, that’s it. those who, who came there, and there was gogol, there was dostoevsky, well, actually, they got there, they, they got there, yes, yes, they entered in a rush, unlike tolstoy, yes, yes, i think maybe maybe he didn’t ask the most important question

from one of these elders, but about his creativity, perhaps everything would have been different, i’ll just say, the abuse is so terrible thing, yes, yes, i just want to come back to you, that’s why i asked about generations or whether it is connected with creativity, because that ’s how it seems to me, god knows, maybe i’m deceived, but it seems to me that this is my path, for example, it’s quite standard, that is, it’s at the end of school, it’s russian literature, it’s dostoevsky, when you first start thinking there, then it ’s just the end of the eighties when they start publishing russian philosophers whom we didn’t know, and you start, read about the gospel, about the church, there is the gospel itself, and then at some point he... from the conservatory he taught us the history of music and in general he told us about the music of ancient india or something there may be there latin america this whole story of musical instruments, i still remember the name and

we asked him about something, the word church sounded and there was a post, now i understand that he himself was such an absolute neophyte, he says: well , i think that of course you don't have white bread there eat, well, the black one is there, and the point was not that he said that it was such a neophyte twist, but that he said that well, well, what’s the point of reading if you’re not there, if you don’t live in this house, here it is, and this path, it seems to me, well, as i say, the path of such university boys, but with you it was probably different somewhere, it doesn’t matter, or it’s similar , we sometimes had to go down to hell in order to push ourselves away from this, in order to understand that there is such a bottom, so probably still, there is another way. several, well, this is a strong phrase shlakinovich, i think that i came to church quite late in general , because my fate turned out that way for 15 years i lived in krasnoyarsk, where i was born, and i

’ll be honest, i then tried to remember at least one church, i didn’t remember it, purely physically, i just didn’t meet the church on my way, which means either i didn’t see it. that is, my perception was so dulled, yes, or they really weren’t there, which is possible, because the city is quite new, plus, so to speak, the consequences bolshevik destruction, but nevertheless, here i came after college, after school, and even after, after working as a specialist, an architect, and for a long time i perceived music only as an amateur performance, as actual entertainment for myself. alex nikolavich, your phrase that we had to go to hell haunts me, this is how you live now with

these memories, what do they mean in your life today, you are trying to forget, they are impossible to forget, i think that remember it is necessary, it is necessary to remember, so as not to forget. this is all for a reason, it’s all part of the path, and the thief had to be crucified next to christ in order to understand who was hanging on the cross next to him, to shout to him, change my lord, to your kingdom, when you come to the kingdom, that’s it also a terrible path, he killed people, he definitely visited ado before, and that was the first time he entered heaven. today we gathered our thoughts about russian rock as a cultural phenomenon. vyacheslav butusov, alexey belov, i'm vladimir league, and we continue. i want to return a little bit to the search for generations, because among

people, yes, that means, in different spheres of culture, at the same time, when we were looking, we