[000:00:00;00] number, because in every hotel there were these types of recruiting rooms, such apartments, not apartments, points, with eavesdropping equipment, and so on, by the way, a little aside, i later, after being a member of the moscow komsovo, soon moved to the first private soviet newspaper, which was created by yulian semyonovich semenov, it was called top secret, i was the first full-time employee of the whole, uh, our editorial office, so-called headquarters, as yulik, yulina semyonovich called it, it was located uh, on kalinin street, on kalinin avenue , now it's new arbat, in the building where the melodiya store was on the ground floor, just in one of the recruiting apartments, that is, apartments where uh, prostitutes worked, where they introduced those clients who needed to be promoted

and developed, in the interest of the special services , but by the way, this is separate. mankatcher whiskey, a product of the stellar group. so, uh, that is, they dumped an invoice on me and said that they really needed to focus on the currency. they were interested in - somehow legitimizing this turnover, that is, so that - laws were not so tough, because it was impossible to fight against it anyway, so some kind of liberalization of the legislation was required from their point of view, i was always for liberalization, at least absolutely absolutely at that stage, so i was somewhat embarrassed that i it’s like, well, there are special services there, security officers, well, i was so young, of course, a fool, so i kind of got into the habit of something like that, like, why, they said, we won’t interfere at all, we

gave an invoice , it’s important for us that... it was said, but in general you can’t read the material we will, but only in the newspaper, when it comes out, well, i’m like that, well, if that’s the case, then there are no questions at all, so, well, i began to write this material, well, how to dictate, i dictated so much that it didn’t fit on the newspaper page, before in the soviet union, materials the size of an entire newspaper page were not practiced, there was simply no such format , it was in no way possible, well, this... if these are materials from the next congress of the communist party, which were located on the front page, and if it were some kind of newspaper publication, essay, report, no, that’s it, just it was simply not allowed, so, i created material of exactly this volume, and the editorial board decided that it would publish

this material in two parts, there were half-strips in one issue and in the next issue other half-strips, white dance title, i was very proud, that he came up with such a name, like white dance, where ladies are invited, gentlemen, there were portraits, well, in the sense of reportage portraits described, very specific, of the character, these girls, some of them impressed me, i was impressed by one mother who was her daughter, vika 15 years, how, in her own words, she put her on skis, that is, prepared her for prostitution, for prestigious prostitution, uh, of course, this may surprise many people, but in fact, prostitutes, precisely currency prostitutes, we are not talking about those who worked there at train stations or somewhere else, and prostitutes are just like force workers, they were to a certain extent

the soviet elite, they communicated: with the same golden youth, they communicated with famous people, again with the same bohemian, in general, it was not shameful, well, and money in general a lot, this is this, this already means something, in stupidity, by the way, there was an anecdote , many of you probably heard it, that when they are detained, during work, the prostitute is brought to the stronghold of the opera and they ask, well, how can this be, i see , here is your dossier, your mother is a ballerina in the past, your father is actually a member of the core academy, and now you have become fetters, how can this be, she says, well, just lucky , uh, i repeat, they were all uh, they were welcomed, they knew , but i mean these so-called centers, uh, that means they were described

some specific characters and a lot of course, what the girls said to me, i could not reproduce in the material, i was very impressed there, by the way, i still have these audio recordings, if on these dictaphone cassettes, they are not crumbled and didn’t turn into powder, a lot of things surprised me, i asked karina there , as i remember now, there was one of them, what will you do if, uh, well, they shoot you for this matter, she said, we’ll raise the price tag, completely calm, she said she, that is, that is, the tariffs will simply change, by the way, it’s an amazing thing that those girls with whom we met in the atrium and those girls with whom the security officers brought me together, if we talk about the feminine component, about attractiveness, it wasn’t anything special, that is, they weren’t some bombshell beauties , the presentation there was good, they dressed expensively and

unusually, that is, they weren’t from there, tstsum, in principle, in terms of texture they were the very same, well, in general, absolutely ordinary, among foreigners girls with such - well, slavic appearance - were highly regarded. that is, such high cheekbones, some such freckled ones, who look simpler , as you remember, the soviet film, where such frosé, such frosés - they just went with a bang, and these ones - the christomatic understanding of beauty, they are there well by the way, what was naturally not included in the material were reviews... uh girls about the clients themselves, because there were also completely different categories, for example, but they really didn’t like finns, they, because the finns came to the soviet union

, they had something like prohibition there then, well, in general, they drank very heavily, that is, they got drunk as a pig, and well , of course, drunk clients - this is generally not always good, then there is a chance to get lyuli there or leave the room with a broken jaw and complain. there is no one, you won’t go to the police station there, he says that here i was confused in the kontik and there, a fellow cat , broke my jaw, and they were afraid of the eastern ones from the most different moments, so to speak, but they adored the japanese, the japanese - it’s just about that dream, by the way, there was this one, i remember, a very, very interesting olga japanese. and she didn’t just work with the japanese, she married a japanese man who came here for work and lived in this kontik and caused a wild burning in all goods, because she did not have to pay 10 rubles to go to

the hotel , and then she just sat there like, well, like in a buffet, she just had everything at hand, by the way, she had the opportunity to dump, that is, she lowered the fee there a little, that is, she worked for 100 dollars and there 30, 50, i just walked along the floors of this kontik, knocked, uh, like on a room like room service, there it was like, would you like a massage there or relax there, that’s why they loved the japanese, the japanese, they were generous and very polite and also there are all sorts of nice things like gifts, there are treats, that is, this was a desirable japanese client, they loved the french and italians, why, because they were naked and very often married to them, but in general getting married is, well, this is the highest point of a career prostitutes,

that is, what happened much later realized in the film beauty, that is, with richard gere and julia robert, this is the dream of every prostitute, to find such a richard gere, a person who will appreciate, love, and not only. for the fact that the chest is high, and there is a sense of humor, but he will see - a person, uh , sleep, by the way, they liked to communicate with us, because we saw in them only people, not women, well, i mean directly they didn’t use it for their intended purpose, but of course all these details weren’t in the material, but there were these telephone bills. there were prices, i set this price at 100 dollars, for which they were very grateful to me, as it later turned out, to the prostitute, because 100 dollars was, it was the price tag,

that is, it was the tariff with which they started, naturally, there for 50 dollars, for a blow, like it’s called, it’s not for the night, it’s for the blow, that’s what they called it, i don’t know what it’s called now, in the morning it’s already over 30, that is, if they were sitting in this atrium already, well, damn, i’m already wanting to sleep , already the doorman, who received his ten, left his shift, the ten must be given, the new one - that’s it restaurants are closed, to begin with, they - worked in restaurants, they were fed by waiters who just, uh, brought a bottle of champagne, and - some promising uh, guests of the establishment could simply be told that girls are interested in you, smile, well, they could simply and at a table, by the way, in the soviet union there was still such a thing...... a thing like you couldn’t come to a restaurant and just

sit at a table and sit at it, they could seat anyone at that table with you if there were no free tables, or if the waiter was mischievous, it also happened with hotels, by the way, that is, it was impossible to rent an entire room in a hotel, where they could put anyone in the hotel, if not a girl, by the way, that’s why these nuances, when we now remember about the soviet union, we remember obvious good things, generally advantages. that system and a lot of positive aspects such as free education , free housing, free medicine, we forget about such things that in everyday life were really annoying, so in general it’s early morning, and there’s already a price tag dropped to 30 dollars, but not lower, if the price tag dropped below 30 dollars, then you could snatch the lyuli from your friends, that is... they could be punished very

harshly for dumping. this is a podcast chronicling the end of times and i, evgeniy dodolev, talk about how, at my journalistic suggestion , changes were made to the administrative code of the soviet union. so, the price tag was indicated in the article and - girls, then after the release, on november 19, 1986, this white dance was published in the newspaper moskovsky komsomolets, and they did xerex - this newspaper publication and during showdowns and trades they bargained with clients, they simply said, well , they write in the newspapers, this is the price of 100 dollars, so in this sense some were grateful to me, but besides those, alas, of course, which i mentioned in the publication, here... on november 19, as i said, on november 20

, the second part of the essay of the same size, in half a page, was typed, but the newspaper did not come out, because after it was delivered in the morning to the kiosks, newspaper with the first part of the white dance, a big bang began, and not only at the lubyanka, it turned out that at the lubyanka, as i said, the moscow department talked to me, there was also a central department, and there were people who worked with girls in a completely different profile, in general, a wild pandemonium began there, a pandemonium began in leadership, then the party, then everyone was in charge, the communist party in the country, they arrived, an instructor from the cpsu central committee arrived on the day the newspaper was published, the next day,

when i arrived at the so-called trampling, it was at 90 or 10 in the morning - it was like that, well, like such a redollegium, where assignments were handed out, ah for the day, here is the entrance to the courtyard of the publishing house, this publishing house was called moskovskaya pravda, the evening moscow was published there, the moscow komsomol members were on the third floor, the editorial office of moskovskaya pravda was on the fifth. the taxi couldn’t get into the yard, because the whole yard was set up , these black volzhankas were parked there, all different, and the elite of the soviet union drove, well, if we’re not talking about the politburo and the top leadership there, who went to seagulls, they basically drove black volgas, and, moreover, moreover, the security officers had volgas with forced engines that looked like ordinary gas.

in fact, they could develop completely different excursions, moreover, there were even automatic boxes , which no one had heard of in the soviet union, in those days, in any case, and the whole yard was, uh, compacted with these machines, there were cars from city committee, cars from the lubyanka, both from the central apparatus and from the moscow administration, in general there was a very serious bems, quickly there, as i understand it... the editor-in-chief explained that, in fact, the material in in a certain sense, it was authorized because the moscow kgb department was interested in raising questions. and about the illegal currency turnover, but, naturally, the authorities went nuts from this ideological aspect, because i repeat, there was no official prostitution, much less there are no currency prostitutes, so in general the appearance of morality was trolled, all that

stuff, but me i wasn’t even invited to this meeting, of course, who am i? there was some reporter, here, but it was noisy there, people were coming out, people were coming, well, everyone was guessing there, what will happen, will the newspaper be closed, will the editor-in-chief be replaced, what will the situation be in general, but the end of times has already come, the end of times has already come, the system was collapsing, the system was cracking, everyone understood that it was impossible to live like this any longer, and it became clear that so to speak , this movement will end, well, for journalists at least - in such a rather desirable way in the sense of, uh, in the sense of freedom of speech in the sense of opening some new horizons. in short, they only called me in the evening, it

was on the day of release that they said that tomorrow you’ll be here i waited, they added everything, the newspaper is closing, the newspaper will not be published tomorrow, but it was such trolling, there was no term then, but i understand it was practiced at least in the journalistic environment in full length, but the newspaper will not be published, they told me, and indeed a decision was made somehow finalize this second part, because it was naturally announced, the continuation follows, the next day, when the newspaper on november 20 , 1986, when the newspaper was not published, there were already queues, as they tell me from 6 in the morning there in newsstands, moscow, again, as i was told, was seething, i didn’t know this , because i was fighting among my colleagues about taking my name off, well, i was like, well , i was a fool, there, because there are a lot of such ideological cliches, uh, they stuffed me with this, i included such an independent journalist in myself, i said, take off my last name, my last name won’t be under

this garbage, uh, uh, well, then, when i realized that in general there was no way against lov, i tried at least somehow rewrite these paragraphs in some language that i understand, that’s all it was sent, it was approved, i don’t know where, i just don’t even have any ideas where it was sent for approval, in general , somewhere within 24 hours this material was finalized, pasha, pavel nikolaevichev walked around cheerfully, many years later very famous my colleague, a journalist, wrote that from the city newspaper, this publication turned the moscow komsovo into a newspaper of a union scale, in short, they somehow put the squeeze on this second part of the white dance, it came out accordingly,

on november 21, but after that it began, at my phone was ringing off the hook at home, there were no mobile phones, there were no mobile phones, there was an editorial phone, i was at home, i was completely out of my mind, it was for... 15 minutes of glory, these 15 minutes of glory were actually then, well, the first, let’s say, 15 minutes, i was giving interviews, there i met all the journalists accredited in moscow, someone came, they even shot a whole film about it, i was immediately invited to go somewhere, do an internship, and later i finally went to do an internship at the new york times company, not in newspaper new york times, to the california branch, where - they organized raids on uh brothels, uh, this is my, my, my curator, a californian, who told me about how - how

girls actually work in america, later, more much later, i was offered to write a script for a film , which later became known as intergirls, but the script... then i generally basked in the glory, relatively speaking, and had absolutely no intention of converting what had fallen on me into something material into something new. work or to a new status, let’s say a screenwriter, i just lived for today, well, that that that november day , i became a welcome guest there, in the so-called moscow living rooms, there is such a term: i met a lot of people, naturally they suggested that i develop this topic, it was not interesting, though. .. later i wrote an article there for the magazine smena, and then i switched

to working that same shift, because they paid me there five times more than at moskovsky komsomolets, but still not as much as prostitutes, so even if we we’re talking per night, 100 dollars for the so-called strike at the black rate, it was 400 rubles. 400 rubles, that was... the salary of 400-500 rubles was the salary of a general or an academician, or i don’t know which people’s artist of the ussr, i don’t know which theater director, that is, it was a lot, by the way, after this material the meeting was closed the central committee of the cpsu and it was decided to make changes to the administrative code of the soviet union, it was indicated that such a phenomenon is now

punishable by 8, some kind of fine of 250 rubles. if we are talking about moscow prostitutes of the late eighties, whom i remember, they were all very good company, they were girls, usually with a sense of humor, as a rule they were women who understood. what do they want from men and from life in general, yes, they were there, if we are talking about the moral aspect, in general there were scoundrels there, they could set them up, they could betray someone from their competitors, but in addition, as it turned out, many of these girls, they worked as if in the interests of the country, in in principle, this is... a practice not only in the soviet union, i had a friend

, by the way, i even have a photograph that was taken by my friend, from that time, a very promising scientist kostya ernst, whom you know, perhaps, as konstantin lvovich ernst , here’s nikita, i don’t know what he’s doing now, but he’s on tour... and no, no, he wasn’t a pimp, he was a connection, he’s a man who recruited prostitutes to work for, let’s say, the security forces department, and i just know several episodes that are so significant, let’s say, significant for the world politicians, when - nikita's wards served the fatherland in general. so, in principle, not everything was so simple on the tour, of course, i

was very much reproached, because a year or two later there was a survey of anonymous high school students in leningrad in riga and the high school students, many high school girls said that they wanted to become prostitutes, just referring into this profession and believed that it was my fault that i had popularized this craft. i categorically do not accept these reproaches; in principle, many years later i read leonid afonsky in his anthology victory, the concept of my material, which i did not guess and i really appreciate his assessment , i will not burden you with details now, you can find it yourself on the net, the victory ofotsky anthology, he explained to me there what i wrote about. why did i write, i felt like john lenn at that moment, john lenon once gave an interview to rolling stone magazine, and he said that what he loves most

is reading reviews of his songs to find out what exactly was meant, so for many years later i learned about the end times that i meant while working for the moskovsky komsomolets newspaper in the late eighties, it was a podcast of the chronicle of the end of times, my name is evgeniy dodolev. hello, we have a lab podcast, my name is dmitry bak and i am the host of a literary podcast with a very intriguing name, let them not talk, let them read, our

guest today is the honored artist of russia. life, i am sure that today we will talk interestingly about theater and literature, and it happens that when from the future you look at the creative path of a person, anyone, fedor mikhailovich dostoevsky, igoryavichatovsky, anyone, how pleased i am that we are close, well, in eternity, in eternity you are close, of course, that this is such a direct ascent, that a person logically goes from peak to peak, dostoevsky publishes in 1946, 1846 his novel “poor people”, yes, it is still early, but still already a great dostoevsky, in fact, if you read his correspondence, he writes to his guardian, give me money, i don’t have a winter dress, i ’m going to die, and i will become a great russian writer, because i have already written a great one

novel, i’ll sell it for a lot of money, what a lot of money , his guardian, husband, sisters tell him, my question is, how did it happen in your case, was it such a path to the top, stellar, according to such a trajectory, not along a parabola, like voznesensky’s, but along an ascending one, or something had to be changed, cool, i ’m a happy person, i have such a phrase in one of the performances, yes, i consider myself happy, these are different things, but here i am lucky guy, this is how it all turned out, of course, if you remember some nuances like that, of course, everything was not easy, tashkent, absolutely not a theatrical family , please tell me, this is a true joke that there were two melons under your arms, i heard this 100 times, no, but they were not two melons under your arms, there were

more of them, because that i was traveling on the train and taking it to friends and to the theater, moscow, because my dad was a railway worker and of course you can’t carry so much on a plane, and since my grandmothers were first cousins, second cousins, and the most famous story is when i was sent to amkhad they already took it, mom says, give efremov the melon, it’s from mom, it’s already like that already ma’am, this already comes from my biography, my mother’s melon, so my mother was absolutely sociable in this sense, and if the theater is some kind of bridge to transfer to my parents, then of course... my mother, my father was an incredible kind person, of course , they were children of war, but igor yakovlevich is not evil, although one girl asked me somewhere in some interview , uh, the little girl says, and you are an evil rector, i say, very much, to me in general, that’s what he’s like bridge, from mom to the theater, because she was so sociable, in general, she was an actress in life, of course,

in her youth she looked like anona mardyukova with her braid. young beauty, beauty, now, it still decides the case when you already became an actor, and before that the case decided that i came to enroll in a chess club, thank god, either it was closed, i don’t remember this anymore, this also tashkent, of course, tashkent, and you don’t want to go to the drama club, so as they say, since then i ’ve been in the drama club for almost 50 years, but maybe a little less than 40, 45 years, i've been with that since then. in a drama club of different levels, vasily smyslov the new or mikhail tal may have died, who knows, i think you succeeded, yes, yes, so you can imagine, it just had to coincide, i think you have a lot in your life it had to coincide with us, it had to coincide, to be at the right time, in the right place, to fail once and return to tashkent, to work for a year for you, and

to work for a year at a factory with such amazing guys. which aviation and aviation plant of tashkent, this is moved during the war, and these are guys who know the price of work , these were real hard workers who told me, you’re not staying here for long, son, and i told them that i was there, it’s clear that in 2 days they they started calling me an artist, but i still remember uncle tolya, a huge , huge guy with such fists, and my first lesson was, he tightened the nut, said: unscrew it, unscrew it, and i unscrewed it for three hours, hit it with a hammer, it still has to it was to be, then to go, enroll, and not anywhere, to the studium school hut, why exactly there, and we apply everywhere, as applicants do now, yes, there are just, you know, periodically more fashionable, well, more popular, and a pike-sliver in

the geek giz, you know, and then, of course, the pike rattled. with great teachers, and at the same time i was recruiting an amazing, great, truly teacher, yuri vasilyevich, katin yartsev, no less, no less iconic was my teacher viktor ka, who at one time, who all the time, well, came from the front, entered in 1943, by the way, come on, let's say that the school's eightieth anniversary the studios are coming to us this year in november, right at the very first set , the war is still going on, and just before the death of vladimir ivanovich nemirovich danchenko, stanislavsky is no longer there, and he comes up with this and a government decree, that’s what? it’s still not clear how the war will end, only stalingrad ended, just yet, but it was of course, so there ’s a photograph of this advertisement hanging by the elevator that there are set designers, actors there,

’43, ’43, and the production department is vadim vasilyevich shverubovich , here and so on and so on, but that's all. how many times have you said it coincided, it happened, samoilov has a great poem that begins in the forties, fatal, yes, and then it all coincided so much, it’s right from the start, how good it is that you remembered samoilov, because i don’t know many poems , but i have david samoilov, because i knew and was friends with, well, i was friends, i wasn’t friends, it’s something said in a cheeky way, but with zinofich gert, well, yes, who were wonderful, i ’m getting goosebumps now, they’re with friends were the same ones, samoilov was called dezik, yes, they knew that, about each other, and i learned poetry

thanks to samoilov, thanks to ziniovich, because on one of his last evenings he was already leaving, and katya gert, his daughter and mother made it so big - big... he read it and i went crazy, it’s clear that i don’t read like that, let’s go to the city we ’ve been to, years ago we’ll leave our suitcases at the station, and that yes, and that in vain i let passions subside, and what can’t be taken care of, what can’t be taken care of, as i realized late, why i exist, so... and for what, maybe it’s loud, why do i exist, someone will determine this, probably, why would this tashkken boy have been careful, he would have entered

some tashkken university, the tashkev tashkev institute, a lot of people graduated from there, very respected, yes, yes, he would not have gone to, well, yes , and my mother told me, but you want to fly back, after all, the ticket cost 56 rubles per plane, those were enough. in 1978 there was a lot of money, go work a little, so i went, earned a ticket, flew in, then, of course, now i’m telling children, students, guys, stay with each other as long as possible, it will be easier, it will be easier to manifest, it is clear that not the whole course, it is clear that at most you will have five or six people, that is the maximum, that, and if two or three is also good, uh, you know, our friends who left early, seryozha zemtsov, dean of the acting department and co-director of the course, but more on that later, that’s later, but i say, that

’s all, that’s all, these are samoilov again, that’s all then, you understand, this tashkent, everything went and went and i arrived at 17, 17 years old, i entered, i turned... at the time of admission, who taught? there were wonderful listens, related directly to the moscow art theater, firstly there was evgeniy aleksanovich evstigneev, he really came to the third year, he did a graduation performance with us, with this family with evenny sanovich, with galina borisovna volchik, well, with denis we we’ve been friends, it’s just that we’ve also been around since about 1989, because he was studying at avgiki at the same time, some mutual friends, well, evgeniy sanovich, well, that’s... you can only brag, of course, so that they touched him, because all of them, all of his contemporary, all of his classmates, oleg pavlovich sabakov, said that he was evtegneyev,

then there was a big, long pause, and then we all , according to the level of talent and diversity, such absolute comedy and to the highest tragedy , absolutely, yes, so, sophia stanislovna pelyavskaya, you and i live for each other through one through two no through one will be between one. nikolaevna golovko, uh-huh, kira nikolaevna golovko, the famous kira ivanova, actress of the moscow art theater theater in which admiral golovko loved, already being an admiral , and it was a story that is worthy of literature, cinema and performance, it is an incredible love story, amazing, amazing, he was one of the youngest admirals during the war, or at 39

years old, or at the age of 40 he was given an admiral, he won... the northern fleet during the war, oleg geordievich gerasimov is an amazing, wonderful director, actor, actor, his acting biography did not work out, he was a wonderful director, especially many they know him, but don't know what he is the director of the record, and he was friends with vysotsky, this famous record , where is aliba and 40 times that’s all, ol georievich gerasimov , he recorded a lot, a lot of records and performances, and vysotsky is a graduate of which one i’ll tell you now, this is a famous course, the zhors of the pifans, in my opinion, from the sixty-first or, i’m confusing something, something is there somewhere, something is always like this, it is important to feel that just two literature teachers ago, senyavsky taught vysotsky, that is, andreichnyavsky , he taught at the studio, he

taught at the studio school, such people taught a and vitali yakolevich velenkin, if, if our dear viewers don’t know, i will say that he is an amazing, legendary personality, in addition to encyclopedic knowledge, literature, theater history, without him there would be no contemporary, he decided the biography of a contemporary, he decided the fate of a contemporary, when he was organizing here, they could not get out of the moss, there was no group of young artists that we found, he wrote poems for us, these were not drafts, these were already frequently rewritten poems from him, but you know as a professional, and he has such a flowing handwriting, it cannot be confused with anything, here i’ll ask an unexpectedly unplanned question,

of course, this romance is important, it. it absolutely permeates me when i remember that andrei danatovich taught vladimir semyonovich, and here i, many sinners, also teach future stars, but i’m talking about acting poetry reading, we’re talking about literature, yes, so i’m jokingly telling the guys, our general students that i struggle with acting reading because, unlike a piece of music, literature, especially poetry, does not require performance, well, that is, performance is not inserted into the text, but there are only a few who can read music from notes, i saw something on their face that takes the score directly, and i, yes, he, yes , he understands, but i throw up my hands and say, i can’t do that, and few people can, but in poetry, on the contrary, it would seem you can read without performing, and doesn’t it turn out that pasternak will be useful to us here, that the actor is forced to... how to stretch yourself a little,

to feel a little what might be in poetry and no, now it’s very fashionable to stage poetry in different theaters, at different venues, viktor anatavich rezhakov does it, the sfera theater does it, kolyagin, alexander sannovich, and many, many others do it, in our community we have whole poetry evenings going to brusnikin, of course, yes, but isn’t there some kind of original sin here, because there is a staging. it’s clear when , so i would like to say that i don’t agree with you, no, no, i don’t disagree with you, there is a profession of a poet, this is a wonderful, well of course, it’s clear that this is a gift, but yes, this is a profession, but you see, we don’t, we, we can only imagine how pushkin read, yes, we heard akhmadulina, you and i heard, i saw her, like this you, and i too, of course, yes, and yes, we heard both

voznesensky and vtushenko. and robert rozhdestvensky is no coincidence, forgive me for interrupting, listing, listing those poets whose reading style seems to be merged with the tech, and not the stadium, we heard, we heard on yesenin’s records, we heard on mayakovsky's records, we heard parsnip on records, of course, this is music in words, of course you are right, of course, but it seems to me that an actor, and forgive me, please, that the actor, of course, has not been canceled, talent is in poetry, well, to poetry, talent, ability for poetry, the same evgeniy stanovichneev never read, he didn’t read, but he didn’t consider it necessary, so i want it for you. to say that zeno efimich read, he added something else to samoilov, it seems to me that he added, of course, his biography, his life experience, well this

risky, and savina and serge savina read so that you could die , and yursky, remember yursky, sergei yuryevich, you know that he was friends with him, and i continue to be friends with this family, and i asked him yuevich, how are you are you learning it? it’s terribly difficult for me, he says: i don’t teach, this is very correct , the poems are memorized, i don’t teach, and my daughter is eight years old, you understand, it seems to me that it ’s the same as in music, if we compare with music, which you understand, i am sure that richtor added something to the music he played, to rachmaninov, to chapin, of course, that the gorovets added something with his fingers. flat on this, that you understand, and it seems to me that no, no, i, i think that this is very much acting, and just even to the guys who, maybe, there we casually said about the student, and, maybe, during training you have to read, and then they won’t return to it, but

something will happen to them, you know, uh, there’s a certain literature, since we’re talking about literature, that i’m sure that people, knowing this literature , reading... such novels, they will not do something nasty, it can be people of all any professions, you don’t know how i understood it, when one of our acting courses with you, yes, in which you already taught, they did war and peace with masha brusnikina, i think, lord, i remember, but we’re boxing with the play, they such texts say that this changes them, they have changed all of this for the rest of their lives, i’m sure , but still, prose and poetry are a little, a little different, i always cite them as examples, not even for the first time in my own. podcast, as read by boris leonidovich, whom i adore, he, as he read the poem augustus, well, great, as promised, yes, as if in general, freeing the text from itself, freeing itself from itself, well, because for them, for us

artists, intonation is not, our acting profession is intonation, and now we are talking about good, beautiful, appropriated emotions, but for poets, probably not, i’m not a poet, i don’t know, but for them this word sounds, well, for me from the sixties, which i am bela akhmadulina, this is some kind of hypnosis, this hypnosis, but this is incredible hypnosis, you must admit, she read, i remember in the actor’s house still there in the burnt down street of gorky, lord, but i have a friend of ours, she actually sees her, only she starts to get hysterical , and when she reads it, she says what is this, you know, it’s impossible, some kind of not remembering what to have when this mic and the past moment, they will unite, as if they have copper, their common sound, there is a poem, suddenly, yes, and how she just read, which now the incoming girls count these poems one by one, and suddenly i now yes, suddenly

i just saw the program, i don’t remember where so as not to spoil the channels, i don’t remember where, seventy the fourth year, luzhniki, a huge poetic evening, in my opinion it was the only one, they were all living, at that time, simonov hosted it all, and it would have been incredible. well, we are returning to the flab podcast , my name is dmitry bak, and i am the host of a literary podcast called let them not speak, let them read, our guest today, my interlocutor, honored artist of russia, rector of the mkhat studios school igorkov. now comes the middle of our conversation and here the usual presenter, that is, me, i do one of three, i either show some book from my